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The timing was not good, and the way they handled it was classless and disrespectful to Comey, but gotta admire how he isn't afraid to pull the trigger. Much different than the last eight years.
Comey tossed 'stick of dynamite' into the DOJ, says White House
By Adam Shaw
Published May 10, 2017
Fox News
The White House on Wednesday defended President Trump’s decision to fire James Comey, saying the former FBI director threw a “stick of dynamite” into the Department of Justice, and committing “atrocities” in his handling of the Clinton email saga.
White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked at the daily press briefing why Trump had soured on Comey, despite recent statements by Press Secretary Sean Spicer that Trump had confidence in the FBI director.
Sanders denied reports that Trump had put Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein up to recommending the firing, which caught Washington by surprise Tuesday evening. Instead, Sanders said, Rosenstein himself recommended the firing in a Monday meeting with Trump over Comey’s handling of the Clinton email scandal. The White House says that Trump then asked Rosenstein to put that recommendation into writing, which he did.
“I cannot defend the director's handling of the conclusion of the investigation of Secretary Clinton's emails,” Rosenstein wrote in his subsequent letter to Trump, “and I do not understand his refusal to accept the nearly universal judgment that he was mistaken. Almost everyone agrees that the director made serious mistakes; it is one of the few issues that unites people of diverse perspectives.”
Trump told reporters Wednesday the decision came because Comey “was not doing a good job.” Some Democrats have expressed concern that the firing is related to the FBI’s investigation into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.
Sanders said Trump had been considering letting Comey go from his role since the election, and that there had been “an erosion of confidence,” but indicated that the final straw for Rosenstein and Trump was Comey’s testimony last week before a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. At that hearing, Comey answered wide-ranging questions about his controversial handling of the probe into Hillary Clinton's private email server last year.
Sanders said Comey’s testimony showed that he had committed "atrocities in circumventing the chain of command” at the Department of Justice and said he had thrown a “stick of dynamite” by going around then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch in calling a press conference in July 2016 to announce his recommendation not to press charges against Clinton.
“When you...throw a stick of dynamite into the Department of Justice, that cannot be ignored,” Sanders said.
When a reporter at the briefing argued that there was little in Comey’s testimony that was not already widely known, Sanders said it was the first time Comey had "publicly and openly" made clear how he handled the probe.
Sanders also took a shot at Democrats complaining about Comey’s firing, saying it was the “purest form of hypocrisy” considering their frequent past criticisms of the former FBI director. She said it was “startling” that Democrats aren’t celebrating the move,
“I think it’s startling that Democrats aren’t celebrating this since they’ve been calling it for so long,” she said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/10/comey-tossed-stick-dynamite-into-doj-says-white-house.html
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The timing was not good, and the way they handled it was classless and disrespectful to Comey, but gotta admire how he isn't afraid to pull the trigger. Much different than the last eight years.
Comey tossed 'stick of dynamite' into the DOJ, says White House
By Adam Shaw
Published May 10, 2017
Fox News
The White House on Wednesday defended President Trump’s decision to fire James Comey, saying the former FBI director threw a “stick of dynamite” into the Department of Justice, and committing “atrocities” in his handling of the Clinton email saga.
White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked at the daily press briefing why Trump had soured on Comey, despite recent statements by Press Secretary Sean Spicer that Trump had confidence in the FBI director.
Sanders denied reports that Trump had put Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein up to recommending the firing, which caught Washington by surprise Tuesday evening. Instead, Sanders said, Rosenstein himself recommended the firing in a Monday meeting with Trump over Comey’s handling of the Clinton email scandal. The White House says that Trump then asked Rosenstein to put that recommendation into writing, which he did.
“I cannot defend the director's handling of the conclusion of the investigation of Secretary Clinton's emails,” Rosenstein wrote in his subsequent letter to Trump, “and I do not understand his refusal to accept the nearly universal judgment that he was mistaken. Almost everyone agrees that the director made serious mistakes; it is one of the few issues that unites people of diverse perspectives.”
Trump told reporters Wednesday the decision came because Comey “was not doing a good job.” Some Democrats have expressed concern that the firing is related to the FBI’s investigation into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.
Sanders said Trump had been considering letting Comey go from his role since the election, and that there had been “an erosion of confidence,” but indicated that the final straw for Rosenstein and Trump was Comey’s testimony last week before a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. At that hearing, Comey answered wide-ranging questions about his controversial handling of the probe into Hillary Clinton's private email server last year.
Sanders said Comey’s testimony showed that he had committed "atrocities in circumventing the chain of command” at the Department of Justice and said he had thrown a “stick of dynamite” by going around then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch in calling a press conference in July 2016 to announce his recommendation not to press charges against Clinton.
“When you...throw a stick of dynamite into the Department of Justice, that cannot be ignored,” Sanders said.
When a reporter at the briefing argued that there was little in Comey’s testimony that was not already widely known, Sanders said it was the first time Comey had "publicly and openly" made clear how he handled the probe.
Sanders also took a shot at Democrats complaining about Comey’s firing, saying it was the “purest form of hypocrisy” considering their frequent past criticisms of the former FBI director. She said it was “startling” that Democrats aren’t celebrating the move,
“I think it’s startling that Democrats aren’t celebrating this since they’ve been calling it for so long,” she said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/10/comey-tossed-stick-dynamite-into-doj-says-white-house.html
If Obama or Hillary (if she were POTUS) fired the head of the FBI while he was conducting a criminal investigation of their administration I suspect you would have zero admiration for their decisiveness.
just a hunch
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The timing was not good, and the way they handled it was classless and disrespectful to Comey
Not seeing either of these points. Timing was fine. Again it was shown/stated that no evidence of collusion with Russia. Everyone when directly asked has acknowledged this. Comey was going to let that drag on. How long do you keep waiting for that stupid talking point to end? You have to get rid of him. You can't just wait and wait for something to end that has already dragged out this far with no evidence given and acknowledged by both sides at this point. It will not end in the liberal mind ever anymore, unfortunately.
He needs to get solid people in positions where they need to be. Comey is not that.
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If Obama or Hillary (if she were POTUS) fired the head of the FBI while he was conducting a criminal investigation of their administration I suspect you would have zero admiration for their decisiveness.
just a hunch
His partisan ridiculousness. ::) He does this pretty frequently. Posted something similar about roger ailes or bill oreally.
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His partisan ridiculousness. ::) He does this pretty frequently. Posted something similar about roger ailes or bill oreally.
I'm sure this is just a coincidence
Days before he was fired, James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, asked the Justice Department for a significant increase in resources for the bureau’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the presidential election, according to four congressional officials, including Senator Richard J. Durbin.
Mr. Comey made his appeal to Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, who also wrote the Justice Department’s memo that was used to justify the firing of Mr. Comey this week, the officials said.
“I’m told that as soon as Rosenstein arrived, there was a request for additional resources for the investigation and that a few days afterwards, he was sacked,” said Mr. Durbin, a Democrat of Illinois. “I think the Comey operation was breathing down the neck of the Trump campaign and their operatives, and this was an effort to slow down the investigation.”
The F.B.I. declined to comment. But Sarah Isgur Flores, the Justice Department spokeswoman, said “the idea that he asked for more funding” for the Russia investigation was “totally false.” She did not elaborate.
Seems like this should be pretty easy to verify and if true (which means Justice Department is lying) this would be really bad
If this were OBAMA or CLINTON the Repubs would already be talking about impeachment or at the VERY LEAST would be insisting on a special prosecutor
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/comey-russia-investigation-fbi.html
fun fact - 40 government officials indicted or jailed in connection with Watergate
http://watergate.info/analysis/casualties-and-convictions
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I'm sure this is just a coincidence
Seems like this should be pretty easy to verify and if true (which means Justice Department is lying) this would be really bad
If this were OBAMA or CLINTON the Repubs would already be talking about impeachment or at the VERY LEAST would be insisting on a special prosecutor
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/comey-russia-investigation-fbi.html
fun fact - 40 government officials indicted or jailed in connection with Watergate
http://watergate.info/analysis/casualties-and-convictions
In what scenario can Hillary finally step in and take what's rightfully hers? ;)
I don't understand why we need a special prosecutor. Obama told Putin to knock it off. That didn't work?
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In what scenario can Hillary finally step in and take what's rightfully hers? ;)
I don't understand why we need a special prosecutor. Obama told Putin to knock it off. That didn't work?
so you've moved from trolling to not even making sense?
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Not seeing either of these points. Timing was fine. Again it was shown/stated that no evidence of collusion with Russia. Everyone when directly asked has acknowledged this. Comey was going to let that drag on. How long do you keep waiting for that stupid talking point to end? You have to get rid of him. You can't just wait and wait for something to end that has already dragged out this far with no evidence given and acknowledged by both sides at this point. It will not end in the liberal mind ever anymore, unfortunately.
He needs to get solid people in positions where they need to be. Comey is not that.
Look I understand Trump isn't being investigated and I believe this Russia conspiracy theory is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, but members of campaign are being investigated. Because of that, he should have waited until the investigation was complete before firing him. It's not a good look.
And even if you assume Comey was not doing a good job, he didn't deserve to learn about his firing from the media. At least give the man the respect of having a face-to-face and notify him before releasing his termination letter to the press.
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Look I understand Trump isn't being investigated and I believe this Russia conspiracy theory is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, but members of campaign are being investigated. Because of that, he should have waited until the investigation was complete before firing him. It's not a good look.
And even if you assume Comey was not doing a good job, he didn't deserve to learn about his firing from the media. At least give the man the respect of having a face-to-face and notify him before releasing his termination letter to the press.
Trump is way too much of a pussy to do this face to face or even over the phone
BTW - care to elaborate on how you've concluded the Russia conspiracy theory is one the stupidest things you've ever heard.
Your logic on arriving at that conclusion should be pretty interesting given how so little data is actually in the public domain at this point
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so you've moved from trolling to not even making sense?
my trolling has transcended this realm
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my trolling has transcended this realm
at least you admit you're a troll
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My hope is that Sessions wants to go after Rice, Lynch and Clinton.
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I'm sure this is just a coincidence
Seems like this should be pretty easy to verify and if true (which means Justice Department is lying) this would be really bad
If this were OBAMA or CLINTON the Repubs would already be talking about impeachment or at the VERY LEAST would be insisting on a special prosecutor
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/comey-russia-investigation-fbi.html
fun fact - 40 government officials indicted or jailed in connection with Watergate
http://watergate.info/analysis/casualties-and-convictions
(http://forums.13x.com/index.php?attachments/img_1641-jpg.125097/)
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I'm sure this is just a coincidence
Seems like this should be pretty easy to verify and if true (which means Justice Department is lying) this would be really bad
If this were OBAMA or CLINTON the Repubs would already be talking about impeachment or at the VERY LEAST would be insisting on a special prosecutor
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/comey-russia-investigation-fbi.html
fun fact - 40 government officials indicted or jailed in connection with Watergate
http://watergate.info/analysis/casualties-and-convictions
Yeah, acting FBI Director McCabe was under oath today and said no such request was made; also, the firing of Comey would not impede any ongoing investigations.
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2017-05-11/fbi-has-sufficient-resources-for-russia-investigation-mccabe (https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2017-05-11/fbi-has-sufficient-resources-for-russia-investigation-mccabe)
The Senate Judiciary hearing today also confirmed, in a bi-partisan agreement, that Trump is not under ANY investigation
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BTW - care to elaborate on how you've concluded the Russia conspiracy theory is one the stupidest things you've ever heard.
Your logic on arriving at that conclusion should be pretty interesting given how so little data is actually in the public domain at this point
Yep, all those leaks and still nothing of remote importance. Even your people have said they have seen nothing.
Grow up, Grasping. You are a party man through and through. Your every post is a broken record.
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Yeah, acting FBI Director McCabe was under oath today and said no such request was made; also, the firing of Comey would not impede any ongoing investigations.
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2017-05-11/fbi-has-sufficient-resources-for-russia-investigation-mccabe (https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2017-05-11/fbi-has-sufficient-resources-for-russia-investigation-mccabe)
The Senate Judiciary hearing today also confirmed, in a bi-partisan agreement, that Trump is not under ANY investigation
What ? Did I miss something while working?
McCabe never said Comey didn't request more resources and the only person who said Trump isn't under investigation was Trump.
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What ? Did I miss something while working?
McCabe never said Comey didn't request more resources and the only person who said Trump isn't under investigation was Trump.
Not only did he say that they have plenty of funding for the Russia investigation , but were there a request for more funding it would have been done through a Senate hearing, not a private conversation.
EDIT: and here was today's opening statement:
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Not only did he say that they have plenty of funding for the Russia investigation , but were there a request for more funding it would have been done through a Senate hearing, not a private conversation.
try reading your own links
A congressional source said on Wednesday that ousted FBI Director James Comey, days before he was fired by President Donald Trump, told lawmakers he sought more resources for the agency's Russia probe.
Comey reports to the Deputy AG and that's who he asked for more resources (as reported in multiple outlets over the last few days such as this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/comey-russia-investigation-fbi.html )
Days before he was fired as F.B.I. director, James B. Comey asked the Justice Department for more prosecutors and other personnel to accelerate the bureau’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the presidential election.
He reported to Congress that he asked for more resources from the Justice Department.
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Before being fired, Comey told Congress that Russian probe targets didn't include Trump
Circa ^ | May 11, 2017 | John Soloman
Posted on 5/11/2017, 3:17:22 PM by outinyellowdogcountry
Congressional officials were told by FBI Director James Comey before he was fired that there are just a small number of Americans who are targets of the criminal or counterintelligence probes involving Russia and that none were President Trump or his top aides, Circa has confirmed.
Behind closed doors, Comey provided specific updates on about a half dozen or less targeted US citizens who were the focus of either counterintelligence probes or criminal investigations emanating from the Russia election scandal, sources familiar with the intelligence told Circa.
"President Trump is not a target, nor is any senior government official if Comey's account is correct."-Congressional Official
"President Trump is not a target nor is any senior government official if Comey's account is correct," one source said, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because that person was not authorized to comment.
Related:Questions Russia probe needs to answer
While the counterintelligence probe is focused is on whether any American was compromised by Russian spies, knowingly or unwittingly, the criminal issues are mostly focused on possible crimes not directly related to the core question of collusions with Russia, such as tax, lobbying or money laundering laws, the sources said.
"As had been stated publicly many times the FBI made clear it does not yet have proof of any criminal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia or any proof voting ballots were changed. These probes can go on for a long time and things can change, but right now that is what is the state (of things)," said a source.
The sources spoke as Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) took the extraordinary step of going to the Senate Judiciary open hearing Thursday to say that he had been provided no evidence to date in classified briefings that Trump was a target.
"Shortly after Director Comey briefed us, I tweeted that he should be transparent. I said he should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President," said Grassley.
"On Tuesday, the President’s letter said that Director Comey told him he was not under investigation. Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement."
His statement was backed up by his Democratic counterpart on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Dianne Feinstein (D- CA).
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try reading your own links
Comey reports to the Deputy AG and that's who he asked for more resources (as reported in multiple outlets over the last few days such as this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/comey-russia-investigation-fbi.html )
He reported to Congress that he asked for more resources from the Justice Department.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI's acting head said on Thursday he believed the agency has sufficient resources to investigate alleged Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and he was not aware of any request for more resources.
"If you are referring to the Russia investigation, I do. I believe we have the adequate resources to do it and I know that we have resourced that investigation adequately," acting FBI director Andrew McCabe told lawmakers, adding that he was unaware of any request by the agency for additional resources.
Why would the second in command have no knowledge of a lack of funds in this specific case (the highest profile investigation ongoing)?
Comey trying to get more money would be a secret to the rest of the bureau?
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Before being fired, Comey told Congress that Russian probe targets didn't include Trump
Circa ^ | May 11, 2017 | John Soloman
Posted on 5/11/2017, 3:17:22 PM by outinyellowdogcountry
Congressional officials were told by FBI Director James Comey before he was fired that there are just a small number of Americans who are targets of the criminal or counterintelligence probes involving Russia and that none were President Trump or his top aides, Circa has confirmed.
Behind closed doors, Comey provided specific updates on about a half dozen or less targeted US citizens who were the focus of either counterintelligence probes or criminal investigations emanating from the Russia election scandal, sources familiar with the intelligence told Circa.
"President Trump is not a target, nor is any senior government official if Comey's account is correct."-Congressional Official
"President Trump is not a target nor is any senior government official if Comey's account is correct," one source said, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because that person was not authorized to comment.
Related:Questions Russia probe needs to answer
While the counterintelligence probe is focused is on whether any American was compromised by Russian spies, knowingly or unwittingly, the criminal issues are mostly focused on possible crimes not directly related to the core question of collusions with Russia, such as tax, lobbying or money laundering laws, the sources said.
"As had been stated publicly many times the FBI made clear it does not yet have proof of any criminal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia or any proof voting ballots were changed. These probes can go on for a long time and things can change, but right now that is what is the state (of things)," said a source.
The sources spoke as Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) took the extraordinary step of going to the Senate Judiciary open hearing Thursday to say that he had been provided no evidence to date in classified briefings that Trump was a target.
"Shortly after Director Comey briefed us, I tweeted that he should be transparent. I said he should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President," said Grassley.
"On Tuesday, the President’s letter said that Director Comey told him he was not under investigation. Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement."
His statement was backed up by his Democratic counterpart on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Dianne Feinstein (D- CA).
Considering no news outlets are corroberating this bombshell, I'll reserve judgement.
FYI Solomon's name isn't even spelled correctly in your heading.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI's acting head said on Thursday he believed the agency has sufficient resources to investigate alleged Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and he was not aware of any request for more resources.
"If you are referring to the Russia investigation, I do. I believe we have the adequate resources to do it and I know that we have resourced that investigation adequately," acting FBI director Andrew McCabe told lawmakers, adding that he was unaware of any request by the agency for additional resources.
Why would the second in command have no knowledge of a lack of funds in this specific case (the highest profile investigation ongoing)?
Comey trying to get more money would be a secret to the rest of the bureau?
Comey told Congress he requested more funds (remember YOUR OWN LINK)
Why do you think Comey reports every thing he has done in real time to his Deputy Director?
How do you know this is the highest profile investigation going on.
Most of the time they don't talk at all about ongoing investigations
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Why would the second in command have no knowledge of a lack of funds in this specific case (the highest profile investigation ongoing)?
Comey trying to get more money would be a secret to the rest of the bureau?
Seeing as how we're asking questions...
Do you really think Trump would fire Comey if Comey told him he wasn't under investigation?
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"You cannot stop the FBI from doing the right thing"
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Protecting the guilty, neutering investigations, hiding evidence, etc.
Look no further than 9/11 and you'll discover an unbelievably fucked definition for the "right thing".
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Comey told Congress he requested more funds (remember YOUR OWN LINK)
Why do you think Comey reports every thing he has done in real time to his Deputy Director?
How do you know this is the highest profile investigation going on.
Most of the time they don't talk at all about ongoing investigations
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Exactly.
Turley on Comey Firing: ‘It Seems to Be a Cover-Up in Search of a Crime’
by JEFF POOR
12 May 2017
Friday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” George Washington law professor Jonathan Turley discussed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s role in appointing a special prosecutor to investigate alleged ties between the Trump 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government.
According to Turley, the underlying crime isn’t clear given the lack of evidence with the exception of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s indiscretions, which he argued would not warrant special counsel.
Turley described it as a “cover-up in search of a crime.”
“For weeks I’ve questioned the need for special counsel because honestly I still don’t see the underlying crime here,” Turley said. “You know, when we talk about the Russian influence and collusion, there’s not any evidence I’ve seen of collusion but more importantly, no one has articulated a major crime, as opposed to the reporting and registration violations of people like Flynn, which usually wouldn’t warrant a special counsel. But that’s the great mystery here.”
“You know, with Watergate that people have been talking about, there was a serious crime that began that led to the cover-up,” he continued. “Here you seem to have a cover-up without a crime. That’s what’s so bizarre about the conduct of the White House. It seems to be a cover-up in search of a crime. The problem with the special counsel is what will the special counsel investigate? But having said that, after they fired Comey, my view is that it’s changed, that we do need an independent investigation simply because the White House has created a credibility problem. And lots of Americans believe that there is an effort here to obstruct the investigation.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/12/turley-comey-firing-seems-cover-search-crime/
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The only problem with that conclusion is that only a few select people have seen the evidence as is the case with most investigations
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The only problem with that conclusion is that only a few select people have seen the evidence as is the case with most investigations
Then they need to quit attempting to gain from it, until the case is made. Right now it looks like nothing more than an excuse for a daily "news" assault, which is something that DOES deserve to be suspected.
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Then they need to quit attempting to gain from it, until the case is made. Right now it looks like nothing more than an excuse for a daily "news" assault, which is something that DOES deserve to be suspected.
I think it would be a quiet story if Trump didn't keep shining a spotlight on it every day with his tweets and other actions
If a reporter asked about it he could just say he is not commenting on an ongoing investigation and leave it at that
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I think it would be a quiet story if Trump didn't keep shining a spotlight on it every day with his tweets and other actions
If a reporter asked about it he could just say he is not commenting on an ongoing investigation and leave it at that
Trump's not handling it well, no doubt about it. This is just another one of many.
But the fact remains, it continues to be an overblown knot of tumbleweed that falls right at the feet of the media.
Let someone state a "case" or may they please STFU already. It's come down to the wire IMO and this shit needs to be fixed. The FIX needs to be fixed, in other words.
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The only problem with that conclusion is that only a few select people have seen the evidence as is the case with most investigations
Decided to switch back from your Skeeter account? Fuck off gimmick
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