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with the phrase "What the hell do you have to lose"
Rand Paul gives you the answer
Rand Paul: Sessions' sentencing plan would ruin lives
By Rand Paul
The attorney general on Friday made an unfortunate announcement that will impact the lives of millions of Americans: he issued new instructions for prosecutors to charge suspects with the most serious provable offenses, "those that carry the most substantial guidelines sentence, including mandatory minimum sentences."
Mandatory minimum sentences have unfairly and disproportionately incarcerated a generation of minorities. Eric Holder, the attorney general under President Obama, issued guidelines to U.S. Attorneys that they should refrain from seeking long sentences for nonviolent drug offenders.
I agreed with him then and still do. In fact, I'm the author of a bipartisan bill with Senator Leahy to change the law on this matter. Until we pass that bill, though, the discretion on enforcement -- and the lives of many young drug offenders -- lies with the current attorney general
The attorney general's new guidelines, a reversal of a policy that was working, will accentuate the injustice in our criminal justice system. We should be treating our nation's drug epidemic for what it is -- a public health crisis, not an excuse to send people to prison and turn a mistake into a tragedy.
And make no mistake, the lives of many drug offenders are ruined the day they receive that long sentence the attorney general wants them to have.
If I told you that one out of three African-American males is forbidden by law from voting, you might think I was talking about Jim Crow 50 years ago.
Yet today, a third of African-American males are still prevented from voting, primarily because of the War on Drugs.
The War on Drugs has disproportionately affected young black males.
The ACLU reports that blacks are four to five times likelier to be convicted for drug possession, although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at similar rates. The majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white, but three-fourths of all people in prison for drug offenses are African American or Latino.
Why are the arrest rates so lopsided? Because it is easier to go into urban areas and make arrests than suburban areas. Arrest statistics matter when cities apply for federal grants. It doesn't take much imagination to understand that it's easier to round up, arrest, and convict poor kids than it is to convict rich kids.
The San Jose Mercury News reviewed nearly 700,000 criminal cases that were matched by crime and criminal history of the defendant. Their analysis showed that whites of similar situation were far more successful in the plea bargaining process and "virtually every stage of pretrial negotiation" than their African-American and Latino counterparts.
I know a guy about my age in Kentucky who was arrested and convicted for growing marijuana plants in his apartment closet in college. Thirty years later, he still can't vote, can't own a gun, and, when he looks for work, he must check the box -- the box that basically says, "I'm a convicted felon, and I guess I'll always be one." He hasn't been arrested or convicted for 30 years -- but still can't vote or have his Second Amendment rights. Getting a job is nearly impossible for him. Mandatory sentencing automatically imposes a minimum number of years in prison for specific crimes -- usually related to drugs.
By design, mandatory sentencing laws take discretion away from judges so as to impose harsh sentences, regardless of circumstances. Our prison population, meanwhile, has increased by over 700% since the 1980s, and 90% of them are nonviolent offenders. The costs of our prison system now approach nearly $100 billion a year. It costs too much, in both the impact on people's lives and on our tax dollars.
I want to go the opposite way from the attorney general. That's why I've partnered with Senator Leahy and once again will be reintroducing the Justice Safety Valve Act.
This isn't about legalizing drugs. It is about making the punishment more fitting and not ruining more lives. The legislation is short and simple. It amends current law to grant judges authority to impose a sentence below a statutory mandatory minimum.
In other words, we are not repealing mandatory minimums on the books -- we are merely allowing a judge to issue a sentence below a mandatory minimum if certain requirements are met.
We need this legislation because while there is an existing safety valve in current law, it is very limited. It has a strict five-part test, and only about 23% of all drug offenders qualified for the safety valve. The injustice of mandatory minimum sentences is impossible to ignore when you hear the stories of the victims.
John Horner was a 46-year-old father of three when he sold some of his prescription painkillers to a friend. His friend turned out to be a police informant, and he was charged with dealing drugs. Horner pleaded guilty and was later sentenced to the mandatory minimum of 25 years in jail.
As I testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Edward Clay was an 18-year-old and a first-time offender when he was caught with less than 2 ounces of cocaine. He received 10 years in jail from a mandatory minimum sentence.
Weldon Angelos was a 24-year-old who was sentenced to 55 years in prison for selling marijuana three times. Former federal judge Timothy Lewis recalls a case where he had to send a 19-year-old to prison for 10 years for conspiracy. What was the "conspiracy"?
This young man had been in a car where drugs were found. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure one of us might have been in a car in our youth where someone might have had drugs. Before the arrest, according to news reports, this young man was going to be the first in his family to go to college. Each case should be judged on its own merits. Mandatory minimums prevent this from happening
Mandatory minimum sentencing has done little to address the very real problem of drug abuse while also doing great damage by destroying so many lives, and most Americans now realize it.
Proposition 47 recently passed in California, and it has spurred a cultural change in the way nonviolent drug offenders are treated, resulting in more than 13,000 fewer prisoners and a savings of $150 million, according to a Stanford Law School study.
Pew Research found that 67% of Americans want drug offenders to get treatment, not prison, and over 60% want an end to mandatory minimum sentences.
I urge the attorney general to reconsider his recent action. But even more importantly, I urge my colleagues to consider bipartisan legislation to fix this problem in the law where it should be handled. Congress can end this injustice, and I look forward to leading this fight for justice.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/opinions/sessions-is-wrong-rand-paul-opinion/index.html
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with the phrase "What the hell do you have to lose"
Rand Paul gives you the answer
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/opinions/sessions-is-wrong-rand-paul-opinion/index.html
If blacks and yourself are not committing serious crimes why are you worried ?
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If blacks and yourself are not committing serious crimes why are you worried ?
here's an idea
how about you read Rand Pauls article before you ask stupid questions
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here's an idea
how about you read Rand Pauls article before you ask stupid questions
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here's an idea
how about you read Rand Pauls article before you ask stupid questions
I agree w those addicted. But I would execute dealers on the spot.
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I agree w those addicted. But I would execute dealers on the spot.
glad you finally read it
when you say stuff like this it's hard to believe you're an attorney
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California Congresswoman Maxine Waters has been calling for the impeachment of President Trump but now there are those calling for her to be kicked out of office.
Standing outside the congresswoman’s home in L.A. are over a dozen protesters, a mariachi band and Omar Navarro. He ran against Waters and lost in 2016 but he’s getting ready for round two in 2018.
“‘Hashtag Impeach Maxine’. See Maxine is talking about impeaching President Donald Trump and yet she doesn’t ask herself what about her? What about her not doing her job for 35 years?”, asked Navarro.
Members of the black community and Latinos for Trump are out here protesting, calling for Waters to resign.
The congresswoman was not home at the time of protest.
Congresswoman Maxine Waters has been making national headlines, calling for the president to be impeached. But outside her home, over a dozen protesters were calling her out.
“She is not representing her constituents, especially the black constituents.”
“She thinks by putting down our president, we’re going to like her more. Every time she talks, she makes me want to throw up.”
The protesters, accompanied by a mariachi band, are in support of her 2018 congressional opponent Omar Navarro who also attended the protest.
Rep. Waters was not home at the time of the protest.
http://www.kabc.com/2017/05/15/impeach-maxine-waters-ask-the-protesters/
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glad you finally read it
when you say stuff like this it's hard to believe you're an attorney
Drug Dealers are poisoning the nation and killing so many people w heroin, other shit etc.
Should be shot on site.
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Drug Dealers are poisoning the nation and killing so many people w heroin, other shit etc.
Should be shot on site.
so you're admitting you're not really an attorney
since you've just said you don't care about due process or any other part of the rule of law let's just explore your insane belief
"on site" where?
or did you mean "on sight" and in that case by whom?
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so you're admitting you're not really an attorney
since you've just said you don't care about due process or any other part of the rule of law let's just explore your insane belief
"on site" where?
or did you mean "on sight" and in that case by whom?
STFU gimmick. Drug Dealers should be treated like vermin in the commission of a crime and dealt with as such. Why are you so supportive of these animals poisoning the country?
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STFU gimmick. Drug Dealers should be treated like vermin in the commission of a crime and dealt with as such. Why are you so supportive of these animals poisoning the country?
so you can't even answer a specific question regarding your own comment and now you're calling me a gimmick?
I'm not supporting drug dealers you dumb fuck
I'm supporting the legal system that you claimn to be a part of
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so you can't even answer a specific question regarding your own comment and now you're calling me a gimmick?
I'm not supporting drug dealers you dumb fuck
I'm supporting the legal system that you claimn to be a part of
Meltdown
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Meltdown
Meltdown
says the person who can't even respond to questions about his own statements
btw - pretty obvious that you and Hockey Fight Fan are the same person
you're the only two people on this board that are obvious self loathing closet cases
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says the person who can't even respond to questions about his own statements
btw - pretty obvious that you and Hockey Fight Fan are the same person
you're the only two people on this board that are obvious self loathing closet cases
Outed. ::) :-\
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says the person who can't even respond to questions about his own statements
btw - pretty obvious that you and Hockey Fight Fan are the same person
you're the only two people on this board that are obvious self loathing closet cases
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Trump is better for blacks than Hillary
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Trump is better for blacks than Hillary
brilliant post
how about adding some details as to why he is better in your opinion
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Trump is better for blacks than Hillary
This mandatory sentencing is not better for black people, white people, brown people, or any other color of person.
This is and always has been a travesty.
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brilliant post
how about adding some details as to why he is better in your opinion
Trump only cares about the color of money....not the color of another man. He'll do business with anyone who will make him money.
Hillary on the other hand called us Super Predators and she has time and time again proven to simply not give a shit about blacks....look what her husband, Bill said about Barack in 2008 after he won the primary. Hillary went as far as to tell some brews that she keeps hot sauce in her purse like Beyonce.... ::)
Trump is a horrible person but he's definitely not a racist.
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Trump only cares about the color of money....not the color of another man. He'll do business with anyone who will make him money.
Hillary on the other hand called us Super Predators and she has time and time again proven to simply not give a shit about blacks....look what her husband, Bill said about Barack in 2008 after he won the primary. Hillary went as far as to tell some brews that she keeps hot sauce in her purse like Beyonce.... ::)
Trump is a horrible person but he's definitely not a racist.
nice speech
now, how is he "better for blacks" than Hillary?
either current deeds or future plans
whatever way you want to go
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Trump is better for blacks than Hillary
Tom
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nice speech
now, how is he "better for blacks" than Hillary?
either current deeds or future plans
whatever way you want to go
I don't think you get it. My opinion is basically the equivalent of choosing to work in a cotton field than being hung by a noose.... ;D
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I don't think you get it. My opinion is basically the equivalent of choosing to work in a cotton field than being hung by a noose.... ;D
you're right
I don't get it
which party is the noose and which one is the cotton field ?
at the present moment you're either standing in a cotton field or noticing an increasingly worrisome rope burn
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Awwwww.....someone needs their safe space!
I'm 100% sure Skeeter will support you in your "Timmy Fogarty" time of need.
MAGA bitches, eight years of Trump buttfucking liberal snowflakes
We give everyone a lot of leeway on this board, because most of have thick skin, but don't let your only contribution to the board become attacking other members. Thanks.
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We give everyone a lot of leeway on this board, because most of have thick skin, but don't let your only contribution to the board become attacking other members. Thanks.
OUTED. Hockeyfightfag is a Dos Equis gimmick.
Clearly since you allow this piece of shit to derail entire threads with no consequences it must be true. ::)
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Mandatory minimum sentences have unfairly and disproportionately incarcerated a generation of minorities.
Disproportionately? lol.
Lets talk about how blacks commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime. It's disproportionate to the point of absurdity.
I'm sick of this bullshit. Blacks are overwhelmingly the predators in this country, not the victims. Enough with the lies and belly-aching.
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We give everyone a lot of leeway on this board, because most of have thick skin, but don't let your only contribution to the board become attacking other members. Thanks.
A gimmick started the topic.
Why would I give a shit if lawbreakers started getting harsher sentences? Eric Holder relaxed sentencing on blacks because Eric Holder and his boss obama are racist sleazy fucks. If laws disproportionately hurt minorities, then maybe the subnormal fuckheads should stop breaking the law?
I advocate stricter sentencing and the three strike rule. Just build more prisons. Use the money we save by sending the 30 million illegal shitbags home to Mexico.
There....that political enough for you? Now get off your lazy ass and ban the obvious gimmick
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Disproportionately? lol.
Lets talk about how blacks commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime. It's disproportionate to the point of absurdity.
I'm sick of this bullshit. Blacks are overwhelmingly the predators in this country, not the victims. Enough with the lies and belly-aching.
StrawQueen refuses to accept data and reality. most of the violent crime in the country is committed by 6% of the population in a few counties.
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Great... let's continue to virtue signal towards black people because they can't seem to stop breaking the law. ::) ::) ::)
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Great... let's continue to virtue signal towards black people because they can't seem to stop breaking the law. ::) ::) ::)
All are victims and can help but commit drug deals, violent crimes, rapes, etc. its all whitey fault for having 10 kids w 9 women, dropping out of HS, being on dope and chooms, etc.
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StrawQueen refuses to accept data and reality. most of the violent crime in the country is committed by 6% of the population in a few counties.
Last number I heard was 54% of the total murders by a tiny fraction of our population in a tiny fraction of counties.
...But they're the victims.
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Disproportionately? lol.
Lets talk about how blacks commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime. It's disproportionate to the point of absurdity.
I'm sick of this bullshit. Blacks are overwhelmingly the predators in this country, not the victims. Enough with the lies and belly-aching.
you're quoting the author of the article...Rand Paul
Here more from Rand
The War on Drugs has disproportionately affected young black males.
The ACLU reports that blacks are four to five times likelier to be convicted for drug possession, although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at similar rates. The majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white, but three-fourths of all people in prison for drug offenses are African American or Latino.
btw- Rand is not really a Senator
He's just another one of my gimmicks
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btw- Rand is not really a Senator
He's just another one of my gimmicks
I thought you were a soul crusher gimmick?
Im actually a Dos Equis gimmick.
Everybody is gimmicks.
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Calling someone a gimmick or back and forth name calling makes these boards ridiculous.
Why not just pm the guy if you want a back and forth?
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I thought you were a soul crusher gimmick?
Im actually a Dos Equis gimmick.
Everybody is gimmicks.
I'm Rand Pauls gimmick but don't tell anyone
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Calling someone a gimmick or back and forth name calling makes these boards ridiculous.
Why not just pm the guy if you want a back and forth?
Whose gimmick are you? ;D
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I'm Rand Pauls gimmick but don't tell anyone
You don't need a gimmick. Your account is gimmick enough
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You don't need a gimmick. Your account is gimmick enough
says the guy who admits he posts "petty nonsense"
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says the guy who admits he posts "petty nonsense"
I stand by what I post - I said many times I attack obama failed presidency on matters big and small
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I stand by what I post - I said many times I attack obama failed presidency on matters big and small
if you say so
I only recall seeing you say you attack him on petty nonsense
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Disproportionately? lol.
Lets talk about how blacks commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime. It's disproportionate to the point of absurdity.
I'm sick of this bullshit. Blacks are overwhelmingly the predators in this country, not the victims. Enough with the lies and belly-aching.
We are talking about drugs though.
DRUGS.
Not violence.
They are two different things.
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We are talking about drugs though.
DRUGS.
Not violence.
They are two different things.
False - a lot of the crime committed is related to drugs. A lot of these worthless savages rather deal on the street than get a normal job and stay in school. Plus a lot of their baby mamma w 5-10 gremlines are all jacked up on drugs as well.
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False - a lot of the crime committed is related to drugs. A lot of these worthless savages rather deal on the street than get a normal job and stay in school. Plus a lot of their baby mamma w 5-10 gremlines are all jacked up on drugs as well.
It is related because of the "War on Drugs" in the first place.
If you make them legal and tax them, the violence goes away. The dealers on the street go away.
Gangs are created by prohibition. History knows this and so do you.
Admit it. It's ok.
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A gimmick started the topic.
Why would I give a shit if lawbreakers started getting harsher sentences? Eric Holder relaxed sentencing on blacks because Eric Holder and his boss obama are racist sleazy fucks. If laws disproportionately hurt minorities, then maybe the subnormal fuckheads should stop breaking the law?
I advocate stricter sentencing and the three strike rule. Just build more prisons. Use the money we save by sending the 30 million illegal shitbags home to Mexico.
There....that political enough for you? Now get off your lazy ass and ban the obvious gimmick
Much better. Thank you.
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I thought you were a soul crusher gimmick?
Im actually a Dos Equis gimmick.
Everybody is gimmicks.
Nah. My gimmick is iwantmass. Necrosis said so. ;D http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=587589.0
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Much better. Thank you.
horseshit
I started the thread - not a gimmick
btw- the facts stated in the article come from Rand Paul
I just pointed out that Trump appealed to black voters with the comment "what the hell to you have to lose" and I'm pointing out that they have a lot to lose
Not suprised the self loathing closet case who commented that he likes the 3 strikes rule. It's a simplistic solution that appeals to simple minds and doesn't actually work that well in the real world
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horseshit
I started the thread - not a gimmick
btw- the facts stated in the article come from Rand Paul
I just pointed out that Trump appealed to black voters with the comment "what the hell to you have to lose" and I'm pointing out that they have a lot to lose
Not suprised the self loathing closet case who commented that he likes the 3 strikes rule. It's a simplistic solution that appeals to simple minds and doesn't actually work that well in the real world
what's "suprised" ?
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what's "suprised" ?
OMG - a typo!!!
I'm mortified
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OMG - a typo!!!
I'm mortified
it's okay. the computer tries to help you by putting a red squiggly line under misspelled words.
I bet you were just a bit hot and bothered; typing up a storm to alleviate your pain.
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it's okay. the computer tries to help you by putting a red squiggly line under misspelled words.
I bet you were just a bit hot and bothered; typing up a storm to alleviate your pain.
thanks for your concern
no red lines are showing up on my computer beneath misspelled words
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thanks for your concern
no red lines are showing up on my computer beneath misspelled words
Might be time to upgrade the ol' Dell Inspiron
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Might be time to upgrade the ol' Dell Inspiron
I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do the hardware (which is only about a year old)
I assume you made that suggestion as some sort of joke
you're not really that stupid
are you?
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I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do the hardware (which is only about a year old)
I assume you made that suggestion as some sort of joke
you're not really that stupid
are you?
Stupid enough to spell surprise correctly, I guess.
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Stupid enough to spell surprise correctly, I guess.
obviously not since you admitted you depend on an automatic spell check function
btw dipshit - it's a browser setting
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obviously not since you admitted you depend on an automatic spell check function
btw dipshit - it's a browser setting
It's pure laziness not to correct your mistakes. Or ignorance.
So which is it? Are you lazy or ignorant?
Politics related: Hillary was lazy and ignorant on the 2016 campaign trail and lost BIGLY!
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It's pure laziness not to correct your mistakes. Or ignorance.
So which is it? Are you lazy or ignorant?
Politics related: Hillary was lazy and ignorant on the 2016 campaign trail and lost BIGLY!
I'm sure you'll do me the favor of checking all my future posts for spelling and let me know when I have another typo
Even better, please review all my past posts for typos and send me a list and when I have a chance I'll go back and correct them
thank you for your service
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I'm sure you'll do me the favor of checking all my future posts for spelling and let me know when I have another typo
Even better, please review all my past posts for typos and send me a list and when I have a chance I'll go back and correct them
thank you for your service
By judging the effort you put into your posts, it must be ignorance and not laziness.
Ignorance is bliss.
However, SoulCrusher tends to call you fat quite a bit, so IDK..
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By judging the effort you put into your posts, it must be ignorance and not laziness.
Ignorance is bliss.
However, SoulCrusher tends to call you fat quite a bit, so IDK..
it's total indifference but now that I see it's really important to you I'll care even less
you're correct about "IDK" since you're too fucking stupid to know that 333 doesn't know me at all though for some queer reason he seems to spend a lot of time imagining things about me
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you're right
I don't get it
which party is the noose and which one is the cotton field ?
at the present moment you're either standing in a cotton field or noticing an increasingly worrisome rope burn
Let me make a clear. Hillary's supporters have spent decades gentrifying black neighborhoods, kicking out entire families just to build some shitty hipster coffee house or craft store. Hillary has a history of saying she's going to help black people and then turning her head and disappearing once she gets elected. That's a sad fact. Her husband Bill Clinton spent all of 2008 calling Barack an uppity negro and she never spoke against him. That speaks volumes
With Trump, he doesn't care about race but only money. He hires and promotes anyone who makes money for him. Still a horrible person but when you talk about who is better for black people and who has helped out black people then Trump wins by a landslide.
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Bro - you are 100% accurate. and that is exactly whats going on in NYC now in the Boogie Down where I am.
Let me make a clear. Hillary's supporters have spent decades gentrifying black neighborhoods, kicking out entire families just to build some shitty hipster coffee house or craft store. Hillary has a history of saying she's going to help black people and then turning her head and disappearing once she gets elected. That's a sad fact. Her husband Bill Clinton spent all of 2008 calling Barack an uppity negro and she never spoke against him. That speaks volumes
With Trump, he doesn't care about race but only money. He hires and promotes anyone who makes money for him. Still a horrible person but when you talk about who is better for black people and who has helped out black people then Trump wins by a landslide.
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Let me make a clear. Hillary's supporters have spent decades gentrifying black neighborhoods, kicking out entire families just to build some shitty hipster coffee house or craft store. Hillary has a history of saying she's going to help black people and then turning her head and disappearing once she gets elected. That's a sad fact. Her husband Bill Clinton spent all of 2008 calling Barack an uppity negro and she never spoke against him. That speaks volumes
With Trump, he doesn't care about race but only money. He hires and promotes anyone who makes money for him. Still a horrible person but when you talk about who is better for black people and who has helped out black people then Trump wins by a landslide.
I don't think I would agree with Trump helping out black people at all.
I will agree that he may be better FOR black people, but time has to determine that. I can't make that call now.
I will also agree that Hillary certainly wouldn't help or be better. It may very well be a wash.
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I don't think I would agree with Trump helping out black people at all.
I will agree that he may be better FOR black people, but time has to determine that. I can't make that call now.
I will also agree that Hillary certainly wouldn't help or be better. It may very well be a wash.
Well...look at it this way. How many jobs did Trump create for black people and how many jobs Hillary create for black people???
There you have it.
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Well...look at it this way. How many jobs did Trump create for black people and how many jobs Hillary create for black people???
There you have it.
I think that's an over simplification, but I'll go along with it.
Trump created jobs for anyone who would take it. Black people included.
Fair enough. You've convinced me.
Black People = Trump > Hillary
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Let me make a clear. Hillary's supporters have spent decades gentrifying black neighborhoods, kicking out entire families just to build some shitty hipster coffee house or craft store. Hillary has a history of saying she's going to help black people and then turning her head and disappearing once she gets elected. That's a sad fact. Her husband Bill Clinton spent all of 2008 calling Barack an uppity negro and she never spoke against him. That speaks volumes
With Trump, he doesn't care about race but only money. He hires and promotes anyone who makes money for him. Still a horrible person but when you talk about who is better for black people and who has helped out black people then Trump wins by a landslide.
LOL - so all Hillary supporters (and none of Trumps or Sanders) were solely responsible for gentrifying black neighborhoods
Is that the "noose" you were referring to?
I'm not aware of Bill Clinton calling Obama an uppity negro but mud slinging on the campaign trail is de rigueur in this country (and most others)
For references - check anything Trump said about anyone on the campaign trail
So I guess now we know that you see Trump and keeping you in a cotton field of some sort ?
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Vince is 10000000% correct about this - I live in NYC and the Clinton Crime Mafia and their gay hipster cohorts are trying to now push blacks out of the south bronx just like they did Harlem.
LOL - so all Hillary supporters (and none of Trumps or Sanders) were solely responsible for gentrifying black neighborhoods
Is that the "noose" you were referring to?
I'm not aware of Bill Clinton calling Obama an uppity negro but mud slinging on the campaign trail is de rigueur in this country (and most others)
For references - check anything Trump said about anyone on the campaign trail
So I guess now we know that you see Trump and keeping you in a cotton field of some sort ?