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Title: Infinity Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: Palumboism on June 25, 2017, 12:26:23 PM
I think AMD has caught Intel and Nvidia off guard with this technology. AMD can release a 32 core 64 threads server CPU at a fraction cost of what it costs Intel to make a 32 core chip.

With the infinity fabric you can just put 4 8 core CPU dies in a single pcb and voila u got a server cpu, no need to get good yields to get that 32 single die cpu and on top of that you can produce it much cheaper singe getting 1 8 core die is much easier than a 32 core die.

Intel would need to get perfect yields on a 32 core chip to compete and that's why their 32 core chips are so expensive.  

The infinity fabric also works on GPU's and a mixture of GPU's and CPU's.  

For example, the Eypc CPU shown below is actually four (8 core) CPU's linked together by infiniti fabric.  Each of those four CPU's is significantly cheaper than a single 32 core CPU would be.
(http://semiaccurate.com/assets/uploads/2017/05/AMD-Eypc-Moores-Law.png)
Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: FREAKgeek on June 25, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
Toured the AMD headquarters in Sunnyvale while out of rehab. Met the CEO Lisa Su said she wanted to get back into fitness so I offered to train her for a new computer. I had a couple of cold ones in a bag, said did she mind, and she said no and also had a couple with me.  She told me that John Caldwell, the chairmen of the board, was an arrogant dick and bully to everybody.
Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: ratherbebig on June 25, 2017, 01:14:57 PM
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Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: OLKE_TEXAS on June 25, 2017, 01:32:38 PM
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Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: Palumboism on June 25, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
For scale to show how large the Threadripper chip is.

(http://assets.hardwarezone.com/img/2017/05/AMD_Threadripper_RyzenMobile_800.jpg)
Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on June 25, 2017, 04:33:35 PM
Why stop at 64?  Make me a 64000 core machine and I'll give you skynet
Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: ratherbebig on June 25, 2017, 04:41:05 PM
what's the point? we still need to wait 30 seconds between posts  :(
Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: Palumboism on June 25, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
what's the point? we still need to wait 30 seconds between posts  :(
 
The reason this is an important advance has to do with chip yields for high core count CPU's.  If a CPU has 32 cores the chance that at least one of the CPU's is defective is very high.  Which means you don't have a 32 core CPU.  Therefore a 32 core CPU is very expensive because they are rare and hard to get.  with this technology you only need an 8 core CPU, which is relatively easy to get and you can just link them together with infinity fabric. 

Intel doesn't have this technology and they are scrambling to catch up.  Nvidia, has something similar called NVlink but it doesn't work on the same pcb. 

CPU's are the foundation of tech.  If they don't progress, then tech progress slows.  Try windows 10 on an intel 386 chip.  On the flip side, if CPU's are progressing rapidly, like they were in the Nineties, then all tech progress accelerates.  





Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: BodyMachine on June 25, 2017, 05:26:23 PM
You have no idea about technology do you. This is nothing more than hypertransport over pcie (Intel calls it UPI). The only thing they are doing differently is putting multiple die on a package instead of having multiple sockets. However this isn't new either, both AMD and Intel have dove this as well
Title: Re: Infiniti Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: Palumboism on June 25, 2017, 06:09:50 PM
You have no idea about technology do you. This is nothing more than hypertransport over pcie (Intel calls it UPI). The only thing they are doing differently is putting multiple die on a package instead of having multiple sockets. However this isn't new either, both AMD and Intel have dove this as well

Has Intel ever put four (8 core) dies on a package connected by UPI?
  

I get that the technology isn't new, but it's the application and the number of PCIE lanes (64).  It's also the final price they will charge for it.






 
Title: Re: Infinity Fabric A Game Changer For Tech
Post by: Ropo on June 25, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
I think AMD has caught Intel and Nvidia off guard with this technology. AMD can release a 32 core 64 threads server CPU at a fraction cost of what it costs Intel to make a 32 core chip.

With the infinity fabric you can just put 4 8 core CPU dies in a single pcb and voila u got a server cpu, no need to get good yields to get that 32 single die cpu and on top of that you can produce it much cheaper singe getting 1 8 core die is much easier than a 32 core die.

Intel would need to get perfect yields on a 32 core chip to compete and that's why their 32 core chips are so expensive.  

The infinity fabric also works on GPU's and a mixture of GPU's and CPU's.  

For example, the Eypc CPU shown below is actually four (8 core) CPU's linked together by infiniti fabric.  Each of those four CPU's is significantly cheaper than a single 32 core CPU would be.
(http://semiaccurate.com/assets/uploads/2017/05/AMD-Eypc-Moores-Law.png)



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