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If so what results do you get from them, increased muscle size, vascularity, fullness?...
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My testosterone levels increased by 415% from zma.
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How did you measure that :D
So what did you gain from the increased testosterone?
My testosterone levels increased by 415% from zma.
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Its awesome, id say second only to the cell tech/nitro tech stack.
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How did you measure that :D
So what did you gain from the increased testosterone?
I used zma for 3 months thinking I was in store for incredible gains...... I didn't notice a single improvement.
Victor Conte was the inventor of the zma stack and he had his athletes push his product while they were using the "cream and clear".
More junk.
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It won't give any muscle gains, but it made me sleep better.
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dicktor dulltay
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ZMA has been proven to be human grade growth hormone
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Lots of people say ZMA helps sleep and gives vivid dreams. Lots of people swear plain magnesium helps sleep, it's been shown in studies too. Unless you're deficient in zinc or mag it wont increase test.
Tribulus doesn't increase test but may increase libido.
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I've got no libido problems, sleep like a baby. No increased muscle mass, hardness, fullness?
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Like the others, I did notice better sleep with the ZMA. That being said, I also noticed the same off of standard cheap Zinc and Magnesium. Not sure on the dreams, but it was a nice calm, restful sleep.
No strength gains, fullness, etc.....
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I've got no libido problems, sleep like a baby. No increased muscle mass, hardness, fullness?
Unlikely. Are you a lifetime natural?
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Prefer HMB - It's like Deca
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Who uses this stuff anymore?
Whats the point?
Just use real AAS
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Yea, I've only ever used creatine and protein/mass builder shakes.
Unlikely. Are you a lifetime natural?
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Best legal sup you can get is mega cissus, its billed as a joint aid but feels like a mild anabolic...amazing stuff
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Best legal sup you can get is mega cissus, its billed as a joint aid but feels like a mild anabolic...amazing stuff
so what happens when you take it? never heard of the stuff
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Yea, what do you get out of it? Where can you buy it?
so what happens when you take it? never heard of the stuff
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Test / Deca / Dbol...
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I've never seen a successful human trial for tribulus. It works great for rats though.
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so what happens when you take it? never heard of the stuff
Helps injuries and niggles go away, but as i said its like taking a low dose of an oral, you can tell your taking somthing, I only ever use it when I come off, good to run through pct too
You have to go for the high mg versions, I'm using USP super cissus, there's other brands tho
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Helps injuries and niggles go away, but as i said its like taking a low dose of an oral, you can tell your taking somthing, I only ever use it when I come off, good to run through pct too
You have to go for the high mg versions, I'm using USP super cissus, there's other brands tho
You reminded me that I have an almost full bottle of the stuff. Let's see if I notice something from it.
The thing with brands like USP is you never know if there's some other shit in it, could even be steroids., I mean you say it almost feels like an oral :D
My bottle says 400mg 50% ketosteroids.
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D-aspartic acid
D-AA can be used as a testosterone booster for infertile men, and by athletes as a temporary booster.
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Combined they work better than legit Kigtropin.
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Who uses this stuff anymore?
Whats the point?
Just use real AAS
This. None of these non-drug supplements do anything. The only stuff that ever worked (aside from steroids/GH) were the prohormones Patrick Arnold pioneered- and of course these were really drugs.
Same goes for protein powders. Complete waste of money.
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If so what results do you get from them, increased muscle size, vascularity, fullness?...
Listen bro, if you plan on running this stack you better have a strong PCT lined up. If not you will shut down. You'll fuck your natural hormones up bad. Do your research before messing around with this stuff.
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This. None of these non-drug supplements do anything. The only stuff that ever worked (aside from steroids/GH) were the prohormones Patrick Arnold pioneered- and of course these were really drugs.
Same goes for protein powders. Complete waste of money.
Will you go into some detail, please?
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Yea we'll that's why I'm here asking. What's the benefits if any, noticeable results etc.
Listen bro, if you plan on running this stack you better have a strong PCT lined up. If not you will shut down. You'll fuck your natural hormones up bad. Do your research before messing around with this stuff.
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If so what results do you get from them, increased muscle size, vascularity, fullness?...
I take 3 caps almost every night but just for the sleep benefits
If I really need to sleep I'll add 1 cap of this (which is a half serving)
https://biotest.t-nation.com/products/z-12
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I too would be interested in hearing the rationale behind the statement "Same goes for protein powders. Complete waste of money" .
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I tried Tribulus from a good medicinal source for about 4 months. Gave me pimples, gave me boners, gave me a short temper (which i don't usually have) - as far as gains...there was probably a very small effect but creatine worked a lot better.
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Tribulus made me leaner, but i am already naturally lean. It also gave me roid rage, even worse than testosterone itself.
I use zma to sleep better. The results i may have are due to the benefits of sleeping.
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I too would be interested in hearing the rationale behind the statement "Same goes for protein powders. Complete waste of money" .
basically the word is that you get enough protein as it is from food and the amount "needed" has been exaggerated.
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basically the word is that you get enough protein as it is from food and the amount "needed" has been exaggerated.
Meaning that one can get enough protein from food? That's fine, but it doesn't explain why it's a "waste" of money.
Either the protein is real and usable or it isn't. If it is, then it doesn't sound like a waste of money.
My main concern with it (don't know if totally reasonable) is contamination from metals and other things, when it comes from places like China.
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Helps injuries and niggles go away, but as i said its like taking a low dose of an oral, you can tell your taking somthing, I only ever use it when I come off, good to run through pct too
You have to go for the high mg versions, I'm using USP super cissus, there's other brands tho
I've used this for joint pain but never really noticed any other effects
ZMA definitely helps me sleep better and sometimes with 1 added cap of Z-12 from Biotest
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This. None of these non-drug supplements do anything. The only stuff that ever worked (aside from steroids/GH) were the prohormones Patrick Arnold pioneered- and of course these were really drugs.
Same goes for protein powders. Complete waste of money.
They have no physiological nor psychological effect whatsoever.
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Will you go into some detail, please?
Your fucking biceps wont grow no matter ho much shit u take. Thats the details! Bring out your fucking measuretape n u will se. I mean real gains, not some fucking bulkgains...be honest to yourself. Most guys in the gym are stupid fuck fooling themself..cheating with weights thinking they become stronger, bulking up and think they are adding musclemass...NO! be fucking honest to yourself and learn what real solid gains actually means...
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Your fucking biceps wont grow no matter ho much shit u take. Thats the details! Bring out your fucking measuretape n u will se. I mean real gains, not some fucking bulkgains...be honest to yourself. Most guys in the gym are stupid fuck fooling themself..cheating with weights thinking they become stronger, bulking up and think they are adding musclemass...NO! be fucking honest to yourself and learn what real solid gains actually means...
No. I'm asking about protein powder use, to supplement protein needs. That's it.
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Better than Dianabol/Deca combo.
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No. I'm asking about protein powder use, to supplement protein needs. That's it.
Why would you take something that you do not have a clue what is the actual contents in the bottle? Protein spiking is very common amongst even the most well named brands. I don't know any other circumstance where a human would ingest something with out knowing what it is, other then with these powders. Why not go for a sure thing then take a chance at believing what that label says is actually real. I know when I have lets say a cup of Greek yogurt post workout that it contains exactly 25 grams of protein. And for the ZMA, the sleep benefits comes from magnesium. If you take magnesium alone, or eat a food that contains high levels of magnesium you will start to feel sleepy.
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Why would you take something that you do not have a clue what is the actual contents in the bottle? Protein spiking is very common amongst even the most well named brands. I don't know any other circumstance where a human would ingest something with out knowing what it is, other then with these powders. Why not go for a sure thing then take a chance at believing what that label says is actually real. I know when I have lets say a cup of Greek yogurt post workout that it contains exactly 25 grams of protein. And for the ZMA, the sleep benefits comes from magnesium. If you take magnesium alone, or eat a food that contains high levels of magnesium you will start to feel sleepy.
You say the products may often be protein-spiked (I can't deny that) and so should not be used. Sounds like fair advice.`
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Has been "going on for years" according to quote in Forbes, in this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexmorrell/2015/03/12/lawsuits-say-protein-powders-lack-protein-ripping-off-athletes/
Includes this:
Workout supplements vary in price by brand, but 5 pound tubs or bags of protein-based products often retail for more than $50 a tub. A supplement maker can buy wholesale whey protein concentrate – the most popular kind – for roughly $5 - $6 per pound.
But third-party tests, attached to some of the lawsuits, show some companies also fill the tubs with far cheaper free form amino acids like glycine, taurine or leucine as well as other substances like creatine monohydrate, and then portray them as grams of protein on the products’ labels. Certain amino acids are considered the building blocks to protein but they are not protein by themselves, nor do they have the same benefits as complete proteins.
These filler substances can cost less than $1 per pound, allowing companies to undercut competition with lower prices and dupe price-sensitive customers in the process.
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Who uses this stuff anymore?
Whats the point?
Just use real AAS
I use when I come off AAS.
They do work at raising hormone levels.....maca, zma, high saponin trib and DAA all part of my off time and have shown improvements in blood.
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i use ZMA for about 15 years in a row.....but not tribulus terest., the original Tongkat ali (1:200 Version) for some weeks and than off, is working much better (for me).
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This. None of these non-drug supplements do anything. The only stuff that ever worked (aside from steroids/GH) were the prohormones Patrick Arnold pioneered- and of course these were really drugs.
Same goes for protein powders. Complete waste of money.
X100
These companies just rely on the placebo effect.
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I used tribulus and it increased my penis size by two inches. Now I have to stuff it down my pants into my sock so I won't step on it when I walk down the block. Damn tribulus.