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Title: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Palumboism on July 14, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
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http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/2018-honda-accord-unveiled-with.html (http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/2018-honda-accord-unveiled-with.html)

The new Accord is actually better than I was expecting.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Palumboism on July 14, 2017, 12:41:00 PM
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Entry-level models will be powered by a turbocharged 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine that develops 192 hp (143 kW) and 192 lb-ft (260 Nm) of torque. It can be connected to either a six-speed manual or a continuously variable transmission.

The Accord will also be available with a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder producing 252 hp (187 kW) and 273 lb-ft (369 Nm) of torque. A six-speed manual is available on Sport variants but most models will come with a new 10-speed automatic transmission.

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/2018-honda-accord-unveiled-with.html (http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/2018-honda-accord-unveiled-with.html)


This car will be a rocket with the new engines and transmissions.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Palumboism on July 14, 2017, 12:50:22 PM
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http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/all-new-audi-a8-combines-sophistication.html (http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/all-new-audi-a8-combines-sophistication.html)
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Palumboism on July 14, 2017, 12:51:23 PM
The A8 includes an autonomous system, which allows the car to drive itself at speeds of up to 60km/h (37mph), and a remote parking feature, which can be used without any occupants inside.

A new, fully active, electromechanical suspension, is also part of the package, as is the 48-volt electrical system.


The electromechanical suspension is very impressive.  It allows the car to drive over deep pot holes and not even shake.

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/2018-audi-a8-demonstrates-its-high-tech.html (http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/2018-audi-a8-demonstrates-its-high-tech.html)





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Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Parker on July 14, 2017, 12:59:21 PM
No more V6 or Coupe for the Accord.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Palumboism on July 14, 2017, 01:16:35 PM
No more V6 or Coupe for the Accord.

With the new 2.0 turbo producing more power than the V6 I think Honda will eventually be phasing out the V6 altogether.  I expect them to do this in the Pilot, Odessy, Ridgeline, MDX, and RDX.  

From a manufacturing sense this would save money because you only have two different four cylinder engines for your entire lineup.  Just changing the tune on the turbo.  This is actually the way the entire industry is going.  When you can get 310 hp from a four cylinder engine, do you really need a V6 or V8.  That's more than enough power for over ninety percent of consumers.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Skeletor on July 14, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
Good to see they still offer a manual transmission option.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Simple Simon on July 14, 2017, 02:55:16 PM
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Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: The_Punisher on July 14, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
they messed up the look....the current accord look is been praised for a while and now they find a way to make it look like a damn civic......good job, Honda....which one of these accords look like a civic?

Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: ESFitness on July 14, 2017, 03:27:13 PM
Back in the day I loved turbos and turboed everything and boosted the hell out of everything I could because it's the most efficient way to boost horsepower and it 300 horsepower out of a sub 2 L motor. But very very few manufacturers wanted to Turbo Charge anything. Fast forward to today and that love of turbo chargers and maximum power is replaced with a love for screaming High Rev naturally aspirated Motors and the exhaust tone they produce. Now today all the car manufacturers are doing away with the high-revving naturally aspirated Motors and turbocharging everything... I just can't win. Lol.

Turbos just kill the exhaust notes, & i my racing days are over. I'd rather enjoy to experience of a screaming NA motor at 8k rpm even if it is e seconds slower in a 1/4mile. Inthink the only turbo motors that sound nice are the McLaren's & would choose a 675 Spyder over a 488 Ferrari any day.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Palumboism on July 14, 2017, 03:28:34 PM
they messed up the look....the current accord look is been praised for a while and now they find a way to make it look like a damn civic......good job, Honda

I wasn't a fan of the new Civic when I first came out, but it's the best selling car in America.  I think it's offering more for the money and even stealing customers away from the Accord.  

I really wish the new Accord looked nothing like the the Civic.  I'm not a fan of the hatchback look, but it gives rear passengers more headroom, so all cars will have this look in the future.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Palumboism on July 14, 2017, 03:38:33 PM
Back in the day I loved turbos and turboed everything and boosted the hell out of everything I could because it's the most efficient way to boost horsepower and it 300 horsepower out of a sub 2 L motor. But very very few manufacturers wanted to Turbo Charge anything. Fast forward to today and that love of turbo chargers and maximum power is replaced with a love for screaming High Rev naturally aspirated Motors and the exhaust tone they produce. Now today all the car manufacturers are doing away with the high-revving naturally aspirated Motors and turbocharging everything... I just can't win. Lol.

Turbos just kill the exhaust notes, & i my racing days are over. I'd rather enjoy to experience of a screaming NA motor at 8k rpm even if it is e seconds slower in a 1/4mile. Inthink the only turbo motors that sound nice are the McLaren's & would choose a 675 Spyder over a 488 Ferrari any day.

The average consumer doesn't care what's under the hood.  As long as the car accelerates fast enough when they put their foot on the gas, that's all that matters. 
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: ESFitness on July 14, 2017, 03:40:47 PM
The average consumer doesn't care what's under the hood.  As long as the car accelerates fast enough when they put their foot on the gas, that's all that matters. 

I don't care what's under the hood either so long as it sounds fucking beautiful like screaming naturally aspirated Motors do. Those turbochargers does just muffle the fuck out of the exhaust so bad that companies like BMW have to generate fake exhaust sounds and pump pump them through the car speakers
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: local hero on July 14, 2017, 03:48:54 PM
I have a 1.4 tsi engine in my car, its great... Comparing it to some of my older ones with bigger engines, just as fast,less fuel with the fancy eco mode switching two cylinders off when your cruising, clever as fuck the new cars
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Bevo on July 14, 2017, 05:25:42 PM
Back in the day I loved turbos and turboed everything and boosted the hell out of everything I could because it's the most efficient way to boost horsepower and it 300 horsepower out of a sub 2 L motor. But very very few manufacturers wanted to Turbo Charge anything. Fast forward to today and that love of turbo chargers and maximum power is replaced with a love for screaming High Rev naturally aspirated Motors and the exhaust tone they produce. Now today all the car manufacturers are doing away with the high-revving naturally aspirated Motors and turbocharging everything... I just can't win. Lol.

Turbos just kill the exhaust notes, & i my racing days are over. I'd rather enjoy to experience of a screaming NA motor at 8k rpm even if it is e seconds slower in a 1/4mile. Inthink the only turbo motors that sound nice are the McLaren's & would choose a 675 Spyder over a 488 Ferrari any day.

Unfortunately high revving NA motors are a thing of the past

Those days of affordable Honda 8/9k 4 bangers and BMW straight 6's and V8's/V10 has come to an end

Miss those k series motors and S motors from Honda and BMW
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: ESFitness on July 14, 2017, 06:10:13 PM
Unfortunately high revving NA motors are a thing of the past

Those days of affordable Honda 8/9k 4 bangers and BMW straight 6's and V8's/V10 has come to an end

Miss those k series motors and S motors from Honda and BMW
 

I was pretty much out of the tuning scene bynthentime k series came in. Built quite a few b and even d series though. Even lucky enough to work on the b18c5 of a teammate (turbo'd that too, unfortunatley..but at the time turbo was the way to go.)... I do miss the sound of those Blitz blow off valves in m supra though. Lol... But even the externally venting blow-off valves seem to be gone and "compressor flutter" is now the "cool thing" lol... Pretty soon, in another 15yrs, ill have regressed back to a 61 Impala SS with a straight-piped 327. Lol
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Bevo on July 14, 2017, 06:18:20 PM
 

I was pretty much out of the tuning scene bynthentime k series came in. Built quite a few b and even d series though. Even lucky enough to work on the b18c5 of a teammate (turbo'd that too, unfortunatley..but at the time turbo was the way to go.)... I do miss the sound of those Blitz blow off valves in m supra though. Lol... But even the externally venting blow-off valves seem to be gone and "compressor flutter" is now the "cool thing" lol... Pretty soon, in another 15yrs, ill have regressed back to a 61 Impala SS with a straight-piped 327. Lol

B series was good but K was out of this world in the realm of tuning

This was around 2004ish I remember, what a fun little car the rsx type s with that motor was, memories
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: ESFitness on July 14, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
B series was good but K was out of this world in the realm of tuning

This was around 2004ish I remember, what a fun little car the rsx type s with that motor was, memories

Yea the rsx was the end of the road for most us who grew up with integras, civics and eclipses in the 90s and we went to either big boost supras and rx7s or to VIPs or suv's.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Hypertrophy on July 14, 2017, 08:03:10 PM
The average consumer doesn't care what's under the hood.  As long as the car accelerates fast enough when they put their foot on the gas, that's all that matters. 

LOL Exactly! Turn the key, step on the gas and go.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: sync pulse on July 14, 2017, 08:12:34 PM
With the new 2.0 turbo producing more power than the V6 I think Honda will eventually be phasing out the V6 altogether.  I expect them to do this in the Pilot, Odessy, Ridgeline, MDX, and RDX.  

From a manufacturing sense this would save money because you only have two different four cylinder engines for your entire lineup.  Just changing the tune on the turbo.  This is actually the way the entire industry is going.  When you can get 310 hp from a four cylinder engine, do you really need a V6 or V8.  That's more than enough power for over ninety percent of consumers.


I prefer naturally aspirated engines...There is no lag between stomping on the gas and the power being there...Also the power plants are more durable without turbos...
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: jaejonna on July 14, 2017, 08:13:54 PM
LOL Exactly! Turn the key, step on the gas and go.
actually there is no turning the key... you keep them in your pockets and push a button
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Palumboism on July 14, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
The suspension system works thanks to an electric motor on each wheel and incorporates a rotary tube and an internal titanium torsion bar and lever that can apply up to 1,100 Nm (811.3 lb-ft) of torque on the suspension courtesy of a coupling rod. This system then works in conjunction with the luxury sedan’s front camera which detects bumpers and allows the suspension to automatically adjust to offer the smoothest ride possible. Audi says this system will be able to eliminate almost all vibrations and jolts.

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/all-new-audi-a8-combines-sophistication.html (http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/all-new-audi-a8-combines-sophistication.html)

Laser used to scan the road:
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Titanium torsion bar and electric motors used to create active suspension:
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This is some very impressive technology.  Expect other Audi's to get this technology in the future.

Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: sync pulse on July 14, 2017, 09:27:13 PM
This system then works in conjunction with the luxury sedan’s front camera which detects bumpers and allows the suspension to automatically adjust to offer the smoothest ride possible. Audi says this system will be able to eliminate almost all vibrations and jolts.



oh joy...a novocain-mobile...
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: MAXX on July 15, 2017, 12:41:13 AM
The suspension system works thanks to an electric motor on each wheel and incorporates a rotary tube and an internal titanium torsion bar and lever that can apply up to 1,100 Nm (811.3 lb-ft) of torque on the suspension courtesy of a coupling rod. This system then works in conjunction with the luxury sedan’s front camera which detects bumpers and allows the suspension to automatically adjust to offer the smoothest ride possible. Audi says this system will be able to eliminate almost all vibrations and jolts.

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/all-new-audi-a8-combines-sophistication.html (http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/all-new-audi-a8-combines-sophistication.html)

Laser used to scan the road:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N5whCBam-JE/WWSRYzfb24I/AAAAAAAAvpw/Xg_oL0XpyW0Wt-pW9oUkPInrswT95jdDACLcBGAs/s1600/Audi-A8-3138.jpg)


Titanium torsion bar and electric motors used to create active suspension:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ERdbvkUskSw/WWSRdKPi16I/AAAAAAAAvqg/J_V0IH0_i6UwYdTvdV6-3ZHmZxvf9IOQACLcBGAs/s1600/Audi-A8-4138.jpg)


This is some very impressive technology.  Expect other Audi's to get this technology in the future.


Impressive stuff sure but all this Tech is just another expensive gadget that will break and drain the pockets of the average consumer. Does the avg man even feel the difference or push his car hard enough to notice/or have the need for a self adjustable sway bar!,,, lol... With all this Tech stuffed in todays cars aftermarket will be a huge business. But personally I prefer not to spend half my income on my means for transportation. Only the sheeple do, IMO...
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Parker on July 15, 2017, 12:59:24 AM
Impressive stuff sure but all this Tech is just another expensive gadget that will break and drain the pockets of the average consumer. Does the avg man even feel the difference or push his car hard enough to notice/or have the need for a self adjustable sway bar!,,, lol... With all this Tech stuffed in todays cars aftermarket will be a huge business. But personally I prefer not to spend half my income on my means for transportation. Only the sheeple do, IMO...
The average consumer doesn't buy an Audi A8/S8 (with a sourced Porsche engine). People with money buy them, drive them, then buy the new whatchamacallit when it comes out. The "average" buyer then sees this on the second hand market when it has depreciated like a rock, and that is when the pockets get drained.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Skylge on July 15, 2017, 01:08:28 AM
Very arrogant company, Audi
Top management belongs in jail

In Europe they only offer a 2 year warranty, they have very little faith in their own products

A8 enters a shrinking market segment, and the also arrogant Audi slogan, Vorsprung Durch Technik is completely false

TESLA is way ahead of all germans

Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Bevo on July 15, 2017, 01:13:26 AM
Very arrogant company, Audi
Top management belongs in jail

In Europe they only offer a 2 year warranty, they have very little faith in their own products

A8 enters a shrinking market segment, and the also arrogant Audi slogan, Vorsprung Durch Technik is completely false

TESLA is way ahead of all germans



No they are not

We shall see what happens
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: ESFitness on July 15, 2017, 01:58:54 AM
Impressive stuff sure but all this Tech is just another expensive gadget that will break and drain the pockets of the average consumer. Does the avg man even feel the difference or push his car hard enough to notice/or have the need for a self adjustable sway bar!,,, lol... With all this Tech stuffed in todays cars aftermarket will be a huge business. But personally I prefer not to spend half my income on my means for transportation. Only the sheeple do, IMO...

A car like that is something you lease, not buy.
 Likena range rover
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Skylge on July 15, 2017, 05:29:37 AM
The Accord will be the most reliable of the two. By far.

Way better value for money also, and what most "journalists" in Europe forget to mention: german pseudo premium cars have a very high risk of car jacking, home jacking and theft of parts of the entire car

Eastern European maffia work effectively.....stolen parts end up in China even (AutoBild gps equipped navi theft research)
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Bevo on July 15, 2017, 04:45:16 PM
The Accord will be the most reliable of the two. By far.

Way better value for money also, and what most "journalists" in Europe forget to mention: german pseudo premium cars have a very high risk of car jacking, home jacking and theft of parts of the entire car

Eastern European maffia work effectively.....stolen parts end up in China even (AutoBild gps equipped navi theft research)

Wealthy people don't buy cars for value

U obviously haven't been down to Southern California in areas like Beverly Hills or Newport Beach where u see Bentley's like they are Honda civics
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Skeletor on July 15, 2017, 05:27:07 PM
Very arrogant company, Audi
Top management belongs in jail

In Europe they only offer a 2 year warranty, they have very little faith in their own products

A8 enters a shrinking market segment, and the also arrogant Audi slogan, Vorsprung Durch Technik is completely false

TESLA is way ahead of all germans



Audis up to the late 80s-early 90s were rock solid, reliable cars. The newer cars are not very reliable and cost a ton to maintain but their interior design is one of the best imho.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Bevo on July 15, 2017, 05:59:41 PM
Audis up to the late 80s-early 90s were rock solid, reliable cars. The newer cars are not very reliable and cost a ton to maintain but their interior design is one of the best imho.

Not sure about that, they were even worse in the late 80's and early 90's, def the worse of the Germans
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Irongrip400 on July 15, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
Boost, turbo chargers? Lol, I'll take a 1969 Boss 429 over that crap any day. Shit man, even the 400hp Eco boost sounds like shit with exhaust. Nothing beats the sound of a V8.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: HTexan on July 15, 2017, 08:49:27 PM
2.0 turbo and a stick? Well done Honda.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: ESFitness on July 15, 2017, 11:08:39 PM
Boost, turbo chargers? Lol, I'll take a 1969 Boss 429 over that crap any day. Shit man, even the 400hp Eco boost sounds like shit with exhaust. Nothing beats the sound of a V8.

..... except an Italian v12


Obviously never heard/seen one in person. Damn near a life-changing experience.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Irongrip400 on July 16, 2017, 08:04:56 AM
..... except an Italian v12


Obviously never heard/seen one in person. Damn near a life-changing experience.

Again, nothing sounds like a big block V8. That thing sounds like the aliens in "Pitch Black". Nice car, I just wouldn't have one.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: The_Punisher on July 16, 2017, 09:07:29 AM
..... except an Italian v12


Obviously never heard/seen one in person. Damn near a life-changing experience.

Murcielago was the successor to the Diablo....sexy beast of a car....a 2007 Murcielago with 15k miles will cost you around 140k these days, not the Murci SV shown in this video here....they're asking 450k for a 2010 Murci Super Veloce.....hell no, that's the Aventador Price range right here.....
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: The_Punisher on July 16, 2017, 09:26:12 AM
hahahhahahah......this Murci SV is for sale for 250k and they're telling you that you'll spend another 50k in repair bills......GRRR....someo ne lost  lots of money in value here

2010 Lamborghini Murcielago

$250,000  21,402 Miles

 
                                                                                         

2010 Lamborghini Murcielago For Sale
 

2010 Lamborghini Murcielago SV, Slight Accident, approximately $50,000.00 in Repair work. Car is # 17 Chassis, possibly the lowest number car left in existence. Very Rare Color combination. All...

Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: Skylge on July 16, 2017, 10:37:34 AM
hahahhahahah......this Murci SV is for sale for 250k and they're telling you that you'll spend another 50k in repair bills......GRRR....someo ne lost  lots of money in value here

2010 Lamborghini Murcielago

$250,000  21,402 Miles

 
                                                                                         

2010 Lamborghini Murcielago For Sale
 

2010 Lamborghini Murcielago SV, Slight Accident, approximately $50,000.00 in Repair work. Car is # 17 Chassis, possibly the lowest number car left in existence. Very Rare Color combination. All...




Never Invest in Depreciation

Interest rates in the USA and Canada are rising, when will the "free" money party that has inflated manny asset categories be over?

There seem to be an awful lot of overvalued cars imo......many people are going to get their investor hands burnt

Title: Re: 2018 Honda Accord and Audi A8
Post by: ESFitness on July 16, 2017, 04:23:30 PM
Murcielago was the successor to the Diablo....sexy beast of a car....a 2007 Murcielago with 15k miles will cost you around 140k these days, not the Murci SV shown in this video here....they're asking 450k for a 2010 Murci Super Veloce.....hell no, that's the Aventador Price range right here.....

Murci's are cheaper around here. Guy down the street has an aventador(in a shitty fucken grey color.. Not silver.. Grey....Like paint. Lol must be been last on the lot a d he got deal) and an old client has a murci with an akrapovik exhaust and the murci sounds a lot better (that vid has an iPE exhaust which sound better than akrapovik).

Neither are a #2 car.. More like a #3-4. After a daily driver, and another ... Then you can get a lambo if you can still afford it. If you don't already have area at 2 other cars and own your home, you can't afford the lambo... Or Ferrari. Maintence is brutal. Few yrs ago I was gonna get a "cheap" f360 but got talked out of it by a client who owns a concierge service for wealthy clients.. Part of his job is to schedule Maintence for their cars and he could easily afford to "buy" a lambo or Ferrari, in addition ring is 2 range rivers and 2 benz and 2 homes but refuses to. Also talked me out if buying a *cheap* land rover and a *cheap* '11 s550. Dude probably saved me 80k that year. Lol