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Lately, I've found myself rubbernecking Chicago news the way you would a bad car wreck on the highway. Can someone explain exactly how it got so bad there? This is messed up even by dindu standards.
10 Dead, 37 Wounded In Chicago Weekend Shootings « CBS Chicago
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/07/15/chicago-weekend-shootings-july/
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/anti-violence-activist-dead-weekend-chicago-shootings/story%3Fid%3D48669677
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Maybe Al knows?
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Maybe Al knows?
I think they moved. Too dangerous.
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It's only concentrated in south and west sides of the city. Poor ghetto areas. Everywhere else it's safe.
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Had a shooting right outside my aprtment right at the corner about 10 days ago(Toronto). I was off that day and incidentally browsing get biog when POW!POW!!POW!POW!POW!POW I WAS LIKE "THOSE ARENT FUCKING FIRECRACKERS!" Go on my balcony and look to my right and just see a cargp truck sitting at the intersection.
Anyways 7 hours later I go to the store and the main street is not closed, mine is but I can go around the tpe. The truck now had been pulled onto my street and parked while forensics were doing their thing.
When I got back from the store, the cops, forensics and tape were gone, the cargo truck was still parked on my street at the corner, got a closer looked. all the windshield had small bulletholes in it.
on the news they said it was targeted, male brought to hospital with non life threatening injuries blah blahj
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It's only concentrated in south and west sides of the city. Poor ghetto areas. Everywhere else it's safe.
This. You'd have to try to find the violent areas, you'd never notice otherwise. Out of the 762 murders last year, only about 30 of the victims were white.
To answer the question of the OP, there's two main reasons I can think of. One is the splintering of the local gangs. Previously, there were two main factions, Folks & Peoples, akin to the Crips and the Bloods. These gangs have been broken up into dozens of little gangs that may only control one or two blocks. Allegiances and loyalty between all these gangs are unstable, and increased bloodshed is the result.
The second main reason is the corruption within the police department. The Laquan McDonald case is maybe the most notable example, but similar incidents occur multiple times a year. Coerced admissions, police brutality, wrongful convictions, falsified evidence and so on. The city has had to pay out $662 million as restitution since 2004. Even though it's only a minority of police officers committing these wrongdoings, the end result is that the people don't trust or support the police. They are unwilling to come forth and help a police force that they view as racist and corrupt.
What is the solution? Who knows. But as long as its only poor minorities being shot & killed, I doubt we'll see much improvement any time soon.
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This. You'd have to try to find the violent areas, you'd never notice otherwise. Out of the 762 murders last year, only about 30 of the victims were white.
To answer the question of the OP, there's two main reasons I can think of. One is the splintering of the local gangs. Previously, there were two main factions, Folks & Peoples, akin to the Crips and the Bloods. These gangs have been broken up into dozens of little gangs that may only control one or two blocks. Allegiances and loyalty between all these gangs are unstable, and increased bloodshed is the result.
The second main reason is the corruption within the police department. The Laquan McDonald case is maybe the most notable example, but similar incidents occur multiple times a year. Coerced admissions, police brutality, wrongful convictions, falsified evidence and so on. The city has had to pay out $662 million as restitution since 2004. Even though it's only a minority of police officers committing these wrongdoings, the end result is that the people don't trust or support the police. They are unwilling to come forth and help a police force that they view as racist and corrupt.
What is the solution? Who knows. But as long as its only poor minorities being shot & killed, I doubt we'll see much improvement any time soon.
They are also unwilling to help the police because they do not want to be retaliated against.
Regarding your comment about the splintering of gangs, you are 100% correct. In many gangs, there is no control coming from the tops. This happened with quite a few notorious gangs where the gangs were so splintered, no one was following orders from the top. Usually they would need permission to take someone out--in many gangs, those days are long gone and gang members are just acting on a whim. Its like a free-for-all. Anything goes. There is no accountability within the gang.
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It's only concentrated in south and west sides of the city. Poor ghetto areas. Everywhere else it's safe.
Yeah, the inside is "safe" but you have to drive though the shit areas to get there.
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They are also unwilling to help the police because they do not want to be retaliated against.
Regarding your comment about the splintering of gangs, you are 100% correct. In many gangs, there is no control coming from the tops. This happened with quite a few notorious gangs where the gangs were so splintered, no one was following orders from the top. Usually they would need permission to take someone out--in many gangs, those days are long gone and gang members are just acting on a whim. Its like a free-for-all. Anything goes. There is no accountability within the gang.
You mean to tell me that gangs formed by orangutans, baboons, and monkeys don't really have a hierarchy and they just do what they want?
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Lately, I've found myself rubbernecking Chicago news the way you would a bad car wreck on the highway. Can someone explain exactly how it got so bad there? This is messed up even by dindu standards.
10 Dead, 37 Wounded In Chicago Weekend Shootings « CBS Chicago
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/07/15/chicago-weekend-shootings-july/
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/anti-violence-activist-dead-weekend-chicago-shootings/story%3Fid%3D48669677
You want to know how black communities in Chicago got that way?
Vote Democrat for 50 years
Put porch monkeys in positions of power
Destroy the family unit
Make dealing drugs cool and working for a living uncool
Destroy the educational system
Make people believe they are owed welfare
Have no respect for society, yourself, or human life
Have an average IQ of about 65
Have politicians who only want to line their pockets and don't care about stopping the violence
Practice chronic victimhood
Raise a culture and society based on laziness
I could go on, but who cares if black gangbangers shoot and kill black gangbangers? I sure as fuck don't
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You want to know how black communities in Chicago got that way?
Vote Democrat for 50 years
Put porch monkeys in positions of power
Destroy the family unit
Make dealing drugs cool and working for a living uncool
Destroy the educational system
Make people believe they are owed welfare
Have no respect for society, yourself, or human life
Have an average IQ of about 65
Have politicians who only want to line their pockets and don't care about stopping the violence
Practice chronic victimhood
Raise a culture and society based on laziness
I could go on, but who cares if black gangbangers shoot and kill black gangbangers? I sure as fuck don't
Hahahah that was fucking great
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You mean to tell me that gangs formed by orangutans, baboons, and monkeys don't really have a hierarchy and they just do what they want?
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No.
Most gangs start off with a hierarchy--if a leader dies, gets thrown in jail, or for other reasons, the gang may splinter and do whatever they want. In fact, most gangs are/were highly structured or organized until some break in the foundation leads to turmoil. Once that occurs, they will pretty much kill anything that breaths.
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Impossible to top Walters" post, but reading between the lines about the cops, any cop with an ounce of sanity and anything on the ball would not want to be stationed in any of these hopeless shit holes (Would you?) and would be looking to get transferred out every single day. So, what happens is that you end up with bottom of the Police Academy class in these areas.
It's essentially the police version of white flight.
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You mean to tell me that gangs formed by orangutans, baboons, and monkeys don't really have a hierarchy and they just do what they want?
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The OG's of the past had a certain level of intelligence and wit about them--they were no idiots. Back in the day, gang members on the bottom took orders. Today, gang members are just out of control and reckless.
Gangs are not as top-down and regimented as they once were, or unified any longer by a vision of racial solidarity and rivalries with opposing gangs.
Rather, the Bloods are fighting increasingly among themselves, sometimes to fill leadership vacuums as older leaders are locked up through federal prosecutions. As a result, sets — subgroups of national gangs — are splitting up and losing influence to separate, younger crews more loyal to their local housing projects. And profit-making, long central to gang life, is occasionally uniting Bloods and Crips — red and blue, bitter enemies for decades — in narcotics or car-stealing schemes. Gang life is as chaotic and unpredictable as ever.
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No.
Most gangs start off with a hierarchy--if a leader dies, gets thrown in jail, or for other reasons, the gang may splinter and do whatever they want. In fact, most gangs are highly structured or organized until some break in the foundation leads to turmoil. Once that occurs, they will pretty much kill anything that breaths.
You read that shit in a textbook?
Jeff Fort ran the entire south side from prison for decades. You didn't so much as fucking fart south of the Eisenhower without asking for his permission first.
Then came the crooked politicians, the poverty pimps, more child support for just farming out kids, internet notoriety for stupid chimp behavior, complete disrespect for authority and law enforcement, and you end up with total lawlessness in two 20 block areas.
Rahm Emanuel could clean that shit up in a heartbeat if he wanted to, but them he would wipe out the perpetual victim industry.
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Impossible to top Walters" post, but reading between the lines about the cops, any cop with an ounce of sanity and anything on the ball would not want to be stationed in any of these hopeless shit holes (Would you?) and would be looking to get transferred out every single day. So, what happens is that you end up with bottom of the Police Academy class in these areas.
It's essentially the police version of white flight.
There are no full time cops on the south and west sides of Chicago. Just drive through patrol for crime scene tape and chalk outlines.
No one patrols Englewood. Ambulances and Fire trucks have to wait for police escorts to go in. Taxis, Uber, and food delivery won't even go in.
Back in the day Cabrini Green was worse.
Every fucking alderman in these shitholes is a convicted fucking crook, but the blapes still love Bobby Rush, "cuz he stickin it to the white man fo dem."
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I've been to probably over 100 shootings. The police have a hands off approached now. Cops don't want to lose their jobs. The community hates the police but has the highest numbers of calls for police service.
The community is so dysfunctional it's hard for an outsider to even comprehend do to the media's anti police narrative.
I've never been to a scene where anyone was rendering any type of care to a victim be it friend or family member. Even with 100 witnesses cooperation with police is non existence. I've seen doctors attacked at hospitals by family. Police overwhelmed at scenes by angry mobs.
At times it can be a truly surreal experience working in some neighborhoods that I've never seen a movie accurately depict. Life is much grittier and cheaper on the streets.
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You read that shit in a textbook?
Jeff Fort ran the entire south side from prison for decades. You didn't so much as fucking fart south of the Eisenhower without asking for his permission first.
Then came the crooked politicians, the poverty pimps, more child support for just farming out kids, internet notoriety for stupid chimp behavior, complete disrespect for authority and law enforcement, and you end up with total lawlessness in two 20 block areas.
Rahm Emanuel could clean that shit up in a heartbeat if he wanted to, but them he would wipe out the perpetual victim industry.
Nope, didn't read it in a textbook.
There are many reasons why gangs splinter. Many young gang members simply don't respect the chain of commands--respecting the OGs. They are wild and unpredictable.
Of course the internet, not respecting authority, multiple children, are all contributing factors.
The young gang members these days are "crazy" in a different, more dangerous way than gang members of the past.
This will be a huge nut to crack.
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There are no full time cops on the south and west sides of Chicago. Just drive through patrol for crime scene tape and chalk outlines.
No one patrols Englewood. Ambulances and Fire trucks have to wait for police escorts to go in. Taxis, Uber, and food delivery won't even go in.
Back in the day Cabrini Green was worse.
Every fucking alderman in these shitholes is a convicted fucking crook, but the blapes still love Bobby Rush, "cuz he stickin it to the white man fo dem."
Sounds a lot like New York City. Back in the day a lot of blacks were always bitching about how racist cabdrivers would not pick them up. Funny thing happened though, all the white drivers left the business and were replaced by black and brown immigrants yet the problem still persists. Why? Because they don't want to get taken to shit hole violent areas and risk being robbed.
I've been to probably over 100 shootings. The police have a hands off approached now. Cops don't want to lose their jobs. The community hates the police but has the highest numbers of calls for police service.
If it were all law-enforcement's fault, shouldn't things be better now? ;)
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Nope, didn't read it in a textbook.
There are many reasons why gangs splinter. Many young gang members simply don't respect the chain of commands--respecting the OGs. They are wild and unpredictable.
Of course the internet, not respecting authority, multiple children, are all contributing factors.
The young gang members these days are "crazy" in a different, more dangerous way than gang members of the past.
This will be a huge nut to crack.
I disagree.
The young gang members see the dirty politicians, the tax dollars and federal funds they're stealing, and the payoffs the politicians and race pimps are taking and the kids want that easy money. They don't want to sling rock and die before they're 20, they want the obama type scam where you fleece from behind the safety of a political position.
Larry Hoover and Jeff Fort could unite the nig gangs in one day. The CPD wouldn't stand a chance, but the Chicago Democrats couldn't stand the competition.
Just watch....obama's $100 presidential library will come in at $500M and have another $100M in cost overruns. That extra 1/2 billion will go straight into Barack, chewbacca, and Chicago Dem pockets
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Lately, I've found myself rubbernecking Chicago news the way you would a bad car wreck on the highway. Can someone explain exactly how it got so bad there? This is messed up even by dindu standards.
10 Dead, 37 Wounded In Chicago Weekend Shootings « CBS Chicago
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/07/15/chicago-weekend-shootings-july/
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/anti-violence-activist-dead-weekend-chicago-shootings/story%3Fid%3D48669677
Ask HickeyFightFanboy, same guys have been stealing his lunch money and food stamps since 1997
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I disagree.
The young gang members see the dirty politicians, the tax dollars and federal funds they're stealing, and the payoffs the politicians and race pimps are taking and the kids want that easy money. They don't want to sling rock and die before they're 20, they want the obama type scam where you fleece from behind the safety of a political position.
Larry Hoover and Jeff Fort could unite the nig gangs in one day. The CPD wouldn't stand a chance, but the Chicago Democrats couldn't stand the competition.
Just watch....obama's $100 presidential library will come in at $500M and have another $100M in cost overruns. That extra 1/2 billion will go straight into Barack, chewbacca, and Chicago Dem pockets
I've worked with gang members. Interesting stuff.
But it is interesting to think how political structures influence gang life. Though, I think it's safe to say that current gang life is due to multiple factors. We shall see how they handle Chicago.
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I disagree.
The young gang members see the dirty politicians, the tax dollars and federal funds they're stealing, and the payoffs the politicians and race pimps are taking and the kids want that easy money. They don't want to sling rock and die before they're 20, they want the obama type scam where you fleece from behind the safety of a political position.
Larry Hoover and Jeff Fort could unite the nig gangs in one day. The CPD wouldn't stand a chance, but the Chicago Democrats couldn't stand the competition.
Just watch....obama's $100 presidential library will come in at $500M and have another $100M in cost overruns. That extra 1/2 billion will go straight into Barack, chewbacca, and Chicago Dem pockets
Who is that fat bastard in your avatar? I am amazed at how he kept his good looks (and a hint of abs)
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Hahahah that was fucking great
This ^ ;D
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This ^ ;D
Definitely get big Hall of Fame quality material, and can be applied to any city where there are large numbers of African-Americans:
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Who is that fat bastard in your avatar? I am amazed at how he kept his good looks (and a hint of abs)
That my small peckered friend is THE true King around these parts.
KING SHIZZO, the beautiful man without glasses
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That my small peckered friend is THE true King around these parts.
KING SHIZZO, the beautiful man without glasses
The only reason you don't see New York on that chart: Rudy Giuliani. Can you imagine how bad things had to be here for him to get elected?
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Ask HickeyFightFanboy, same guys have been stealing his lunch money and food stamps since 1997
I don't live in Chicago, Methteeth.
And I don't live in a $400/month apartment in Indio like you do either.
Idiot
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Is it really such a bad idea? How else are you going to bring tourists into the area?
Racist emails show Chicago official joked about 'safari' tour to see violence in black neighborhoods - Chicago Tribune
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-chicago-water-department-report-met-0718-20170717-story,amp.html