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Doesn't look good when the president is bashing you in public. Frankly, he deserves it. He never should've Recused himself from Russia.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Attorney General Jeff Sessions has taken a VERY weak position on Hillary Clinton crimes (where are E-mails & DNC server) & Intel leakers!
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I think he was just given an ultimatum.
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I think he was just given an ultimatum.
Wasn't the first time either:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So why aren't the Committees and investigators, and of course our beleaguered A.G., looking into Crooked Hillarys crimes & Russia relations?
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Hugely disappointed in Sessions. Thought he had more of a backbone.
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Hugely disappointed in Sessions. Thought he had more of a backbone.
It's like the Obama Justice Department is still in office. You have a Republican Congress, Senate and supposedly a Republican Justice Department and the president is under constant attack for bullshit.
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It's like the Obama Justice Department is still in office. You have a Republican Congress, Senate and supposedly a Republican Justice Department and the president is under constant attack for bullshit.
Trump is being retarded to do this in public. Obamacare and tax reform now dead
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Trump is being retarded to do this in public. Obamacare and tax reform now dead
The truth is that once a giant bureaucracy like Obama care is in place it's almost impossible to get rid of it. Replace it with what? Another giant bureaucracy? It has to crash and burn and then you can start from scratch.
The main tax reform is the corporate tax and they should be able to get that down at least somewhat. The real elephants in the room are SS and Medicare as they comprise more than half of the budget. No one is even talking about them.
That said, he obviously wants Sessions out. What would his other options be?
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Mr "You're Fired!" doesn't have the balls to fire Jeffy.
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Wasn't the first time either:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So why aren't the Committees and investigators, and of course our beleaguered A.G., looking into Crooked Hillarys crimes & Russia relations?
The ethical guidelines and standards of the AG's office demanded he recuse himself.
He followed the existing ethics standards and followed the law.
Being loyal to the POTUS isn't the highest priority of the AG.
Every GOV official, including the POTUS takes an oath to uphold and support the CONSTITUTION.
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The ethical guidelines and standards of the AG's office demanded he recuse himself.
He followed the existing ethics standards and followed the law.
Being loyal to the POTUS isn't the highest priority of the AG.
Every GOV official, including the POTUS takes an oath to uphold and support the CONSTITUTION.
Trumps argument is that Sessions should've told him about this before hand.
All your other babble sounds good and I don't claim to be an expert this area but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to a judgment call.
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Trumps argument is that Sessions should've told him about this before hand.
All your other babble sounds good and I don't claim to be an expert this area but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to a judgment call.
The problem is that Trump is so impulsive and petty and obssessed over every little squabble he is doing himself far more harm than good w all this drama.
personally I'm tired of his immaturity and BS. I want to see focus on getting rid of obamacare, tax reform, slashing agencies and welfare, etc.
They are doing a good job deporting all the parasites and should stay focused on whats important.
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Trumps argument is that Sessions should've told him about this before hand.
All your other babble sounds good and I don't claim to be an expert this area but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to a judgment call.
told him what beforehand?
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It's like the Obama Justice Department is still in office. You have a Republican Congress, Senate and supposedly a Republican Justice Department and the president is under constant attack for bullshit.
So true
they are actually following the rule of law rather than treating Donald Trump like a Sovereign
the thing Trump is pissed about is that Sessions recused himself which is exactly what he had to do
the CT is that Trump will fire sessions when during Senate August recess and then he can do a recess appointment that doesn't require Senate approval
Of course the new persons first job will be to fire Mueller and then so much for any semblance of democracy in this country
FYI - McConnell can leave the Senate in session to prevent this. He did this exact same thing when Obama was POTUS to prevent him from being able to do a recess appointment
This will really draw the line between the Senate and Trump if they do this and lets hope they do.
Trump needs to understand he is not a King or a Dictator (and we know he admires and is likely also envious of dictators)
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Trumps argument is that Sessions should've told him about this before hand.[/b]
All your other babble sounds good and I don't claim to be an expert this area but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to a judgment call.
another idiotic statement from Retard in Chief
Sessions would have needed a time machine in order to do that
Is Trump not aware that we all know the timeline of events that led to Sessions recusal ?
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I dont like sessions focusing on Marijuana or Civil Asset Forfeiture - but he had to recuse himself in this. Trump could have put all this to bed from Day 1 tossing out everything, emails, etc, like Kushner did, and it would have been over with.
And I agree with Levin, Trump himself , he himself, we moved on from Hillary emails as crimes to be prosecutes, so for him now to bash Sessions over it is stupid. Its dumb,.
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I dont like sessions focusing on Marijuana or Civil Asset Forfeiture - but he had to recuse himself in this. Trump could have put all this to bed from Day 1 tossing out everything, emails, etc, like Kushner did, and it would have been over with.
And I agree with Levin, Trump himself , he himself, we moved on from Hillary emails as crimes to be prosecutes, so for him now to bash Sessions over it is stupid. Its dumb,.
this is the crazy part
virtually everyone agrees on this.
Shit, how often do you and I agree on something
I just read on Fox News that Dogs and Cats are also in agreement on this
Trump can't see to stop himself
He's acting like someone who has something to hide
The very best case is that he's irrationally self destructive
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told him what beforehand?
That he was going to recuse himself from any Russian investigation. Apparently Trump got caught by surprise.
Citing Recusal, Trump Says He Wouldn’t Have Hired Sessions - NYTimes.com
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-sessions-russia.html
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That he was going to recuse himself from any Russian investigation. Apparently Trump got caught by surprise.
Citing Recusal, Trump Says He Wouldn’t Have Hired Sessions - NYTimes.com
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-sessions-russia.html
How would Sessions have known ahead of time (timeline link below)
If Trump was concerned about this why didn't HE ask Sessions this question before nominating him
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/timeline-leading-jeff-sessions-recusal-fallout/story?id=45855918
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That he was going to recuse himself from any Russian investigation. Apparently Trump got caught by surprise.
Citing Recusal, Trump Says He Wouldn’t Have Hired Sessions - NYTimes.com
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-sessions-russia.html
when Trump chose Sessions, Sessions had no reason to recuse himself from any Russian investigation.
only later, when Sessions didn't answer Franken's question at his confirmation hearing accurately, Sessions did the right thing by recusing himself.
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when Trump chose Sessions, Sessions had no reason to recuse himself from any Russian investigation.
only later, when Sessions didn't answer Franken's question at his confirmation hearing accurately, Sessions did the right thing by recusing himself.
even Rudy Giuliani agrees
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when Trump chose Sessions, Sessions had no reason to recuse himself from any Russian investigation.
only later, when Sessions didn't answer Franken's question at his confirmation hearing accurately, Sessions did the right thing by recusing himself.
Makes no sense. You are basically contradicting. If he was innocent before then suddenly he isn't after word games? In both cases there was nothing done wrong. Absolutely no reason for Sessions to bow like he did. Couldn't take the fake heat apparently.
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Oh, and the majority (including Trump) do not want to truly get rid of Obamacare. That wouldn't get done no matter what he is tweeting.
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Makes no sense. You are basically contradicting. If he was innocent before then suddenly he isn't after word games? In both cases there was nothing done wrong. Absolutely no reason for Sessions to bow like he did. Couldn't take the fake heat apparently.
Sessions followed the procedures of the department which he runs
His loyalty is not to Trump but to the law and the American people who expect him to follow laws and procedures without prejudice.
In a statement, Sessions said that over the last several weeks he met with "relevant senior career department officials" to discuss whether he should recuse himself and, "having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for president of the United States."
"In the end, I have followed the right procedure, just as I promised the committee I would," Sessions said of the decision to recuse himself.
"A proper decision, I believe, has been reached," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-recusing-campaign-probes/story?id=45858137
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Makes no sense. You are basically contradicting. If he was innocent before then suddenly he isn't after word games? In both cases there was nothing done wrong. Absolutely no reason for Sessions to bow like he did. Couldn't take the fake heat apparently.
Spot on.
This is from strawman's link. He recused himself for this?
"He said that he didn't remember a lot of the meeting but that "I do remember saying I had gone to Russia with a church group in 1991."
"So we talked a little bit about terrorism, as I recall. Somehow the subject of the Ukraine came up. I had the Ukrainian ambassador in my office the day before to listen to him," he said. Apparently paraphrasing Kislyak, Sessions added, "Russia had done nothing that was wrong in any area and everybody else was wrong with regard to the Ukraine. It got to be a little bit of a testy conversation at that point."
The DOJ official said Wednesday that during the 2016 campaign, ambassadors made "superficial comments" about the election but it wasn't the "substance of their discussion.""
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Doesn't look good when the president is bashing you in public. Frankly, he deserves it. He never should've Recused himself from Russia.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Attorney General Jeff Sessions has taken a VERY weak position on Hillary Clinton crimes (where are E-mails & DNC server) & Intel leakers!
I agree he shouldn't have recused himself, but I don't think he deserves to be disrespected like this. This is poor leadership by Trump.
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The ethical guidelines and standards of the AG's office demanded he recuse himself.
He followed the existing ethics standards and followed the law.
Being loyal to the POTUS isn't the highest priority of the AG.
Every GOV official, including the POTUS takes an oath to uphold and support the CONSTITUTION.
What specific "ethical guidelines and standards of the AG's office" are you talking about? Have you read them?
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Spot on.
This is from strawman's link. He recused himself for this?
"He said that he didn't remember a lot of the meeting but that "I do remember saying I had gone to Russia with a church group in 1991."
"So we talked a little bit about terrorism, as I recall. Somehow the subject of the Ukraine came up. I had the Ukrainian ambassador in my office the day before to listen to him," he said. Apparently paraphrasing Kislyak, Sessions added, "Russia had done nothing that was wrong in any area and everybody else was wrong with regard to the Ukraine. It got to be a little bit of a testy conversation at that point."
The DOJ official said Wednesday that during the 2016 campaign, ambassadors made "superficial comments" about the election but it wasn't the "substance of their discussion.""
Trumps administration is being investigated for possible collusion with the Russians
Sessions was part of Trumps campaign and had previously undisclosed meetings with representatives of Russia.
It makes perfect sense that Sessions can't oversee an investigation which might involve investigating himself.
Common procedure.
Look at the various times certain members of SCOTUS have recused themselves from decisions when they have had prior involvement or might have ties
This is common practice for a country with an actual rule of law
https://www.law360.com/articles/816125/why-supreme-court-justices-recuse-themselves
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Bring in Cruz. The guy is a pit bull.
Just as tough on immigration and loves nothing more than a good alley fight with the left.
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I agree he shouldn't have recused himself, but I don't think he deserves to be disrespected like this. This is poor leadership by Trump.
Truth be told, I don't like it either. Then again, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes that led to this.
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Bring in Cruz. The guy is a pit bull.
Just as tough on immigration and loves nothing more than a good alley fight with the left.
We all discussed this right after the election. My guy was Rudy. I wouldn't have had a problem with Cruz, either. Sessions wasn't even on my radar.
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Truth be told, I don't like it either. Then again, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes that led to this.
True. And I get why Trump is upset, given how the investigation has gone sideways with the special counsel. Still, we're talking about one of his earliest and most loyal supporters, who backed him when it wasn't cool to do so, and went through a brutal confirmation process. All of that talk about loyalty Trump made when standing behind Lewandowski apparently doesn't apply to Sessions.
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We all discussed this right after the election. My guy was Rudy. I wouldn't have had a problem with Cruz, either. Sessions wasn't even on my radar.
Session and Bannon have close ties and common world view
apparently Bannon wanted Session to run for POTUS
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We all discussed this right after the election. My guy was Rudy. I wouldn't have had a problem with Cruz, either. Sessions wasn't even on my radar.
Rudy said that Sessions did the right thing in recusing himself
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Republican senators express support for AG Sessions
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/politics/republican-senators-support-sessions/index.html
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The problem is that Trump is so impulsive and petty and obssessed over every little squabble he is doing himself far more harm than good w all this drama.
personally I'm tired of his immaturity and BS. I want to see focus on getting rid of obamacare, tax reform, slashing agencies and welfare, etc.
They are doing a good job deporting all the parasites and should stay focused on whats important.
Good post, I agree.
You've hit on the BIG issue here.
Trump supporters should be pissed that he's let the Russia thing stall his big legislative plans.
THIS current reality is what my concerns were and why I couldn't vote for Trump.
It's one thing to talk a good game and another thing to actually do it in the game.
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Not cool.
Trump leaves Sessions dangling, says 'time will tell' on AG's fate
By Barnini Chakraborty
Published July 25, 2017
Fox News
President Trump left the fate of Attorney General Jeff Sessions up in the air during a press conference Tuesday afternoon, saying he's "disappointed" with his Cabinet member while stopping short of saying whether he'll fire the country's top cop.
“We will see what happens,” Trump said in the White House Rose Garden. “Time will tell.”
The president has publicly vented his frustration at Sessions for recusing himself from the Russia investigation.
“He should not have recused himself almost immediately after he took office, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me prior to taking office, and I would have, quite simply, picked somebody else,” Trump said. “So I think that’s a bad thing, not for the president but for the presidency.”
Trump also slammed Sessions for not being tough enough on leaks from intelligence agencies.
“These are intelligence agencies,” Trump said. “We cannot have that. I told you before that I am very disappointed with the attorney general but we will see what happens.”
Trump tore into the attorney general earlier Tuesday in a series of tweets where he called the former Alabama senator “VERY weak” on Hillary Clinton’s supposed “crimes.”
White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders would not confirm rumors that the president was considering firing Sessions but did not rule it out either.
She told “Fox & Friends” that she hasn’t been part “of any conversations discussing any potential replacements,” but made clear that Trump is “frustrated and disappointed” in the attorney general.
“That frustration certainly hasn’t gone away, and I don’t think it will,” Sanders said.
New White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci also defended the president's public comments on Sessions, saying Trump "wants his Cabinet secretaries to have his back."
Despite the public digs from the White House, Sessions said last week that he plans to stay on as attorney general “as long as that is appropriate.”
Trump’s latest dig at Sessions came during a joint press conference he held with Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri.
Trump vowed U.S. humanitarian support for Syrian refugees as close to their homeland as possible – which means Lebanon. Syrian refugees make up about 25 percent of Lebanon’s population. Hariri was expected to seek additional U.S. aid to cope with the refugee influx though details were not disclosed Tuesday.
“America is proud to stand with those that have the courage to stand up to terrorism and take responsibility for affairs in their own region,” Trump said.
Trump also commented on the Senate vote that opened up debate on repealing and replacing ObamaCare.
“This is a tough vote to get,” Trump said. “Now we’re all going to sit together and we’re going to try to come up with something that’s really spectacular. We have a lot of options and a lot of great options. The Republican Senate… really went out there.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/25/trump-leaves-sessions-dangling-says-time-will-tell-on-ags-fate.html
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Trump seems unaware of the words coming out of his mouth
“He should not have recused himself almost immediately after he took office, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me prior to taking office, and I would have, quite simply, picked somebody else,” Trump said. “So I think that’s a bad thing, not for the president but for the presidency.”
his entire beef with Session is about his recusal on the Russian investigation
That investigation has NOTHING to do with "the presidency" and EVERYTHING to do with "the president"
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Trump seems unaware of the words coming out of his mouth
his entire beef with Session is about his recusal on the Russian investigation
That investigation has NOTHING to do with "the presidency" and EVERYTHING to do with "the president"
I understand that you have a pathological hatred for Trump but this has everything to do with the presidency. Every day he has to defend some new allegation with absolutely nothing behind it. Even producers on CNN said on camera that this was bullshit.
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I understand that you have a pathological hatred for Trump but this has everything to do with the presidency. Every day he has to defend some new allegation with absolutely nothing behind it. Even producers on CNN said on camera that this was bullshit.
Any chance you'll ever actually respond to the content of one my posts?
Is Session's recusal bad for the office of the president?
Is the office the one being investigated or is it the person who is occupying the office who is being investigated?
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Any chance you'll ever actually respond to the content of one my posts?
Is Session's recusal bad for the office of the president?
Is the office the one being investigated or is it the person who is occupying the office who is being investigated?
Why would I try to have a rational discussion with you? You sound like it's stilll November 10.
To answer your question, yes it is bad for the office of the president. Sessions recusing himself lends credence to the investigation and makes it look like he and Trump did something wrong when they didn't. Sessions talked to some ambassador. Big fucking deal.
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Why would I try to have a rational discussion with you? You sound like it's stilll November 10.
To answer your question, yes it is bad for the office of the president. Sessions recusing himself lends credence to the investigation and makes it look like he and Trump did something wrong when they didn't. Sessions talked to some ambassador. Big fucking deal.
most likely because you're incapable of doing so
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most likely because you're incapable of doing so
lmao...lolololololololol ololol this coming from someone who still thinks Killary is completely innocent.
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What specific "ethical guidelines and standards of the AG's office" are you talking about? Have you read them?
how about Federal Code
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/528
U.S. Code › Title 28 › Part II › Chapter 31 › § 528
28 U.S. Code § 528 - Disqualification of officers and employees of the Department of Justice
US Code
Notes
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The Attorney General shall promulgate rules and regulations which require the disqualification of any officer or employee of the Department of Justice, including a United States attorney or a member of such attorney’s staff, from participation in a particular investigation or prosecution if such participation may result in a personal, financial, or political conflict of interest, or the appearance thereof. Such rules and regulations may provide that a willful violation of any provision thereof shall result in removal from office.
(Added Pub. L. 95–521, title VI, § 603(a), Oct. 26, 1978, 92 Stat. 1874.)
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how about Federal Code
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/528
Quit trying to be an attorney you dolt. You're making an ass of yourself.
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Quit trying to be an attorney you dolt. You're making an ass of yourself.
never claimed to be an attorney
trump defenders keep saying they don't understand why Sessions recused himself
there are rules in place for this kind of situation (conflict of interest)
by rules of course I means laws
Sessions is obviously aware of this
waiting for you to catch up
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never claimed to be an attorney
trump defenders keep saying they don't understand why Sessions recused himself
there are rules in place for this kind of situation (conflict of interest)
by rules of course I means laws
Sessions is obviously aware of this
waiting for you to catch up
There are lots of rules in place and left ignored almost all of them including Muellers conflict of interest with Comey and the Clinton doners on his staff.
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There are lots of rules in place and left ignored almost all of them including Muellers conflict of interest with Comey and the Clinton doners on his staff.
please elaborate on Mueller and Comey conflict of interest
just give me the basic facts
I assume we both now agree on Sessions
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please elaborate on Mueller and Comey conflict of interest
just give me the basic facts
I assume we both now agree on Sessions
I meant Mueller Trump conflict of interest. I don't need to elaborate on that. It's obvious
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I meant Mueller Trump conflict of interest
ok
then elaborate on that
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ok
then elaborate on that
You mean besides Mueller being Comeys best friend and the his prosecutors that donated to Clinton? You're trolling.
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You mean besides Mueller being Comeys best friend and the his prosecutors that donated to Clinton? You're trolling.
I wasn't aware they were "best friends"
sounds like a nothing burger
any "best friend" photos or something else to back up this claim?
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I wasn't aware they were "best friends"
sounds like a nothing burger
any "best friend" photos or something else to back up this claim?
Typically I would say, for fucks sake you can't be this stupid?
But in your case, you proven you are beyond any doubt.
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Typically I would say, for fucks sake you can't be this stupid?
But in your case, you proven you are beyond any doubt.
Always I will say I couldn't possibly give less of a fuck what you think
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You mean besides Mueller being Comeys best friend and the his prosecutors that donated to Clinton? You're trolling.
Best friends? Where did you get that from, InfoWars?
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it's more serious than best friends ... Mueller & Comey are BFF!!!