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Folks I know nothing about HRT. Can you get this though work? I have a pretty decent plan through my work, I'm paying more for better coverage but that is because of family concerns.
Would a doctor let you cycle? Seems prudent to taper off for a healthy heart from time to time.
Any input would be appreciated.
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LOL, I sound so dumb ;D
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Go over to RX Muscle and search the videos. Dave uses and recommends a service called ( I think ) Titan Medical.
J
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Real HRT is a low enough dose that you stay on forever. Coming off once in a while for a few weeks is recommended to reset your "receptors". I am not sure I buy that. Keep in mind that you'll likely permanently impair your own testosterone production after a while. That's why folks that are already in test decline find it a "why the fuck not" option.
Most family docs have no fucking clue about hormones, so ask around to find a doc that specializes in endo or HRT.
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LOL, I sound so dumb ;D
You do. There's no cycling with HRT in the saw way there's no cycling with thyroid or insulin for hypothyroidal people and diabetics.
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Real TRT docs and clinics don't have juiced up bodybuilders promoting their business. A high dose for them is around 140mg/week, not the cookie cutter 200mg which is too high. They also do frequent check-ups with extensive bloodwork. Florida is full of clinics that are closer to overpriced steroid dealers than doctors. If you have good insurance, it seems like you'll potentially get coverage through an actual doctor but like AJ said, 99% don't know anything about hormones. The ideal situation would be full coverage plus a script where you can just get your vials at Walgreens and do whatever the hell you want with it. As for as being on it for life, that is yes and no. Guys have been able to successfully come off of it after years of use, but your hormones will go back to the same crappy levels they were before you started.
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Guys have been able to successfully come off of it after years of use, but your hormones will go back to the same crappy levels they were before you started.
Definitely sounds like success.
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You're gonna go broke dealing with Titan.
Same can be said for that clinic Piana is using to get his IGF-1.
But in his case--getting legit IGF might be worth it.
Still....crazy expensive.
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tried going thru Kaiser hmo, they said forget about it. not happening. switched insurances and my doctor said no problem, hooked me up with a endo doctor. he has me on 75 mgs a week of testosterone, see him every three months for blood tests. my insurance
doesn't not cover the test, so I pay about 120 for a bottle that lasts 3 months. been on for two years now.
TESTOSTERONE IS LIFE CHANGING!!!!!!!!!! (at least it is for me at 60, I had very low levels, 171 when I started.) so, find the right doctor.
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Definitely sounds like success.
Love this comment. :D
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Always consider too that if you get an enlarged prostate as you age and it's very common the first thing they consider to stop the enlargement is to cut off testosterone. They give you pills to cut off your natural production of testosterone. Then how will you your physique look?
Another potential problem is that if you are on test for years if you go off your LH to testosterone ratio could be permanently off. Meaning you could end up with even lower testosterone than what you began on when you started test.
Lastly long term testosterone replacement can increase the risk of a heart attack. Of course all the studies by the testosterone manufactures dispute this. What they think is happening is that testosterone changes the viscosity of the blood making it thicker. The reason many heart patients take a baby aspirin is to thin the blood and lower inflammation.
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tried going thru Kaiser hmo, they said forget about it. not happening. switched insurances and my doctor said no problem, hooked me up with a endo doctor. he has me on 75 mgs a week of testosterone, see him every three months for blood tests. my insurance
doesn't not cover the test, so I pay about 120 for a bottle that lasts 3 months. been on for two years now.
TESTOSTERONE IS LIFE CHANGING!!!!!!!!!! (at least it is for me at 60, I had very low levels, 171 when I started.) so, find the right doctor.
75 mg a week, what are your levels at now? I get 200ml a week, at $200 a month.
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200 dollars a month for 200/mg a week of test/week. WOW!
Is that from a clinic--like one of those Mens health/life extension places?
Those places are a goldmine---if you own the company.
Maybe you guys should consider UGL.
You could get a 10cc vial of Test for about 50 bucks.
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But in his case--getting legit IGF might be worth it.
Do you know what the brand of IGF-1 is called? I bet it's smuggled in chinese UG... yes many of these clinics use chinese uncontrolled hormones.
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I am on 100mg a week. It cost me $10 for a months worth of test cyp which is two bottles.
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Do you know what the brand of IGF-1 is called? I bet it's smuggled in chinese UG... yes many of these clinics use chinese uncontrolled hormones.
In the video the doctor didn't say which brand he uses...I dont think so anyway.
The IGF talk start at the 7:00 mark.
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Always consider too that if you get an enlarged prostate as you age and it's very common the first thing they consider to stop the enlargement is to cut off testosterone. They give you pills to cut off your natural production of testosterone. Then how will you your physique look?
Another potential problem is that if you are on test for years if you go off your LH to testosterone ratio could be permanently off. Meaning you could end up with even lower testosterone than what you began on when you started test.
Lastly long term testosterone replacement can increase the risk of a heart attack. Of course all the studies by the testosterone manufactures dispute this. What they think is happening is that testosterone changes the viscosity of the blood making it thicker. The reason many heart patients take a baby aspirin is to thin the blood and lower inflammation.
Your "facts" about prostate and heart disease relation to TRT have both been debunked. How did you get so bitter towards anything steroid related?
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75 mg a week, what are your levels at now? I get 200ml a week, at $200 a month.
Typo of peace. 200ml/week @ 200mg/ml is 40g/week. Bostin levels!
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it will be hard to get scripts and pharmacy's to fill orders after the zombie apocalypse. You'll be fighting for your life and your family's life in a weak state.
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Your "facts" about prostate and heart disease relation to TRT have both been debunked. How did you get so bitter towards anything steroid related?
I don't know the specifics about the drug aspects of the sport. I guess because I've never been very interested in that part of it even though bodybuilding to been a part of my life for over 40 years . I just assume that higher testosterone levels made you more prone to prostate enlargement. Are you saying this is not the case?
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Another potential problem is that if you are on test for years if you go off your LH to testosterone ratio could be permanently off. Meaning you could end up with even lower testosterone than what you began on when you started test.
Once u are at the stage where TRT is NEEDED, why in the world would you come off?
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I don't know the specifics about the drug aspects of the sport. I guess because I've never been very interested in that part of it even though bodybuilding to been a part of my life for over 40 years . I just assume that higher testosterone levels made you more prone to prostate enlargement. Are you saying this is not the case?
Plenty of studies now show that high E leads to prostate enlargement. So we don't know.
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Once u are at the stage where TRT is NEEDED, why in the world would you come off?
Keep in mind that this poster has an irrational hatred for gear and "juicers", likely because he was cuckolded by a bodybuilder. His opinions on this subject are seriously clouded.
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Everyone always talks about 'messing up ur own test production'
But by ur time ur 40 or whatever age -- how much test are you really producing if your grabbing HRT to 'feel' better or to fck ur wife ?
Up and down hormone levels is not part of homeostasis - why that's is normal is shit reasoning - when your hormone levels dip is when you get problems , either stay on or stay off
All you pussies who run these half ass 'cycles' or better yet SARMs - never look good - so why take the shit ? So you can bench more ? So you can impress me homos at ur gym cause girls could care less unless ur wallet is swole too or you have a job / kid ur ex girl pays for so u leave her alone
Ur either on or your off
Take a real dose that u can maintain = HRT otherwise it's just a way he insurance companies can justify blood panels , and whatever else they can drum up insurance premiums for an otherwise healthy male to have to goto the Dr every 3 months at $$$ / visit
Post cycle bitchass
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A buddy of mine about my age (50s) has been on hrt for a while. He says the bad thing about it is he often cannot get an erection now. Logic dictates that higher test would do the opposite. Can anyone enlighten me?
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A buddy of mine about my age (50s) has been on hrt for a while. He says the bad thing about it is he often cannot get an erection now. Logic dictates that higher test would do the opposite. Can anyone enlighten me?
Could be a bunch of different things. High blood pressure, medications, estrogen too low, estrogen too high, etc.
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Could be a bunch of different things. High blood pressure, medications, estrogen too low, estrogen too high, etc.
is it common among men who get hrt? It would be awesome if it made u feel like a younger man again but there always seems to be a price to pay with things like this.
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All you pussies who run these half ass 'cycles' or better yet SARMs - never look good - so why take the shit
Post cycle bitchass
_aj_ is on low dose and probably could be stage ready in two weeks, if not two days.
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A buddy of mine about my age (50s) has been on hrt for a while. He says the bad thing about it is he often cannot get an erection now. Logic dictates that higher test would do the opposite. Can anyone enlighten me?
If he's wife is close to his age it's normal he wouldn't get an erection.
I wouldn't get turned on by a 50 year old woman if I was on 1g of test+proviron.
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If he's wife is close to his age it's normal he wouldn't get an erection.
I wouldn't get turned on by a 50 year old woman if I was on 1g of test+proviron.
Your first statement is just flat out wrong, but like due to your age (think you said once you were in your 20s, if not, my bad) so it's understandable.
Here's Sophia Vergara at age 45.....at 50, probably won't be much different.
(http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sites/womenshealthmag.com/files/sofia-vergara-poses-naked-wh0917fob_cover05.jpg)
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lots of lame fuks on roids
your test is too low because u sit all day. why should ur body make high test sitting around all day??
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A buddy of mine about my age (50s) has been on hrt for a while. He says the bad thing about it is he often cannot get an erection now. Logic dictates that higher test would do the opposite. Can anyone enlighten me?
Penis function has a lot to do with blood flow, people who are overweight, have high blood pressure, high cholesterol will have erectile issues. Weird but interesting observation, but if you ever watch Japanese porn theres tons of older dudes in there still able to get it up and bust nuts, Im talking 70-80 year old men in these movies. Again it all goes back to diet, Asian in general are rarely overweight, not known for having high blood pressure, or heart disease. There diet is very low in processed foods and saturated fat. Theres definitely correlation there. The two countries that have the highest rate of penis pill use are USA and Australia, and coincidently are the highest consumers of processed foods and saturated fats.
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I'm mid thirties and been on and off hrt. On it now, I found 200mg a week with a vegan diet (fish sparingly) has really been a gift in terms of body comp, heart health, and overall just feeling and looking good
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I'm mid thirties and been on and off hrt. On it now, I found 200mg a week with a vegan diet (fish sparingly) has really been a gift in terms of body comp, heart health, and overall just feeling and looking good
Do you have a medical condition making you go on this at such a young age?
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Do you have a medical condition making you go on this at such a young age?
No, my levels were steadily declining in mid to late twenties. 315 was low point. Came off trt and normalized with 550 but looked shitty (still look shitty to getbig standards) so I went back on about a year of being natty again :)
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Good info. I myself am torn between not fooling with Mother Nature and replacing something that is already in you naturally that had just fallen to lower levels. The question then is as we age is it a curse that test falls off and a bad thing or is there a good healthy reason that it is supposed to fall off as we age?
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No, my levels were steadily declining in mid to late twenties. 315 was low point. Came off trt and normalized with 550 but looked shitty (still look shitty to getbig standards) so I went back on about a year of being natty again :)
Test levels were at 550 and you went back on?
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Your first statement is just flat out wrong, but like due to your age (think you said once you were in your 20s, if not, my bad) so it's understandable.
Here's Sophia Vergara at age 45.....at 50, probably won't be much different.
(http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sites/womenshealthmag.com/files/sofia-vergara-poses-naked-wh0917fob_cover05.jpg)
I was talking in general, don't give a one off miracle example of a Latino woman famed for her looks.
Most women look unfuckable at 50 esp caucasians, they age like milk, they go from smooth and gentle to sour and lumpy overnight no inbetween.
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Good info. I myself am torn between not fooling with Mother Nature and replacing something that is already in you naturally that had just fallen to lower levels. The question then is as we age is it a curse that test falls off and a bad thing or is there a good healthy reason that it is supposed to fall off as we age?
As long as you feel energized and strong enough to workout on a consistent basis, then I don't see the need for you to go on at this moment.
Of course, everyone should get T levels checked at some point, especially if you are feeling unusually sluggish at a younger age. But there is a reason why it is perfectly legal to get HRT prescribed if your T levels are below normal for your age bracket.
Otherwise, you have to find other avenues if you want to supplement with AAS as an healthy adult.
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As long as you feel energized and strong enough to workout on a consistent basis, then I don't see the need for you to go on at this moment.
Of course, everyone should get T levels checked at some point, especially if you are feeling unusually sluggish at a younger age. But there is a reason why it is perfectly legal to get HRT prescribed if your T levels are below normal for your age bracket.
Otherwise, you have to find other avenues if you want to supplement with AAS as an healthy adult.
This. I feel like a lack of know how plus PCP incompetence has quite a few people walking around with hormone issues whether it is testosterone related or thyroid related. Even the ranges they give you on the bloodwork aren't the greatest. I was hypothyroidal but according to my PCP and bloodwork, I was within the wide range for TSH. Plus the majority of PCPs check for total testosterone, instead of free testosterone. They also neglect tons of other factors like SHBG, E2, LH, etc. If you're tired with no libido, they'll test for total testosterone, say you're within the range, and prescribe adderall and viagara. It's a joke.
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Always consider too that if you get an enlarged prostate as you age and it's very common the first thing they consider to stop the enlargement is to cut off testosterone. They give you pills to cut off your natural production of testosterone. Then how will you your physique look?
Another potential problem is that if you are on test for years if you go off your LH to testosterone ratio could be permanently off. Meaning you could end up with even lower testosterone than what you began on when you started test.
Lastly long term testosterone replacement can increase the risk of a heart attack. Of course all the studies by the testosterone manufactures dispute this. What they think is happening is that testosterone changes the viscosity of the blood making it thicker. The reason many heart patients take a baby aspirin is to thin the blood and lower inflammation.
Seriously, you need to stop with your bullshit. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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use smaller doses more frequently subcutaneously to give you stable levels
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my buddy plans on running this for trt
100mg test cypionate or ethanate injected per week with two or more injections per week.
250iu hCG SC EOD [every other day]
1.0mg Arimidex/anastrozole per week in divided doses
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A buddy of mine about my age (50s) has been on hrt for a while. He says the bad thing about it is he often cannot get an erection now. Logic dictates that higher test would do the opposite. Can anyone enlighten me?
enlarged prostate is most likely
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my buddy plans on running this for trt
100mg test cypionate or ethanate injected per week with two or more injections per week.
Why bother busting up 100mgs into multiple doses?
It's only 100mg.
Maybe if he's super prone to PIP then 50mg every 4 days...maybe.
There is a benefit to not taking your TRT dose in one shot...but this is only 100.
IMO --maybe if it were 150 or better I would bother.
I've slammed 300 in one pin 3 times a week for a long time.
Many many times.
It's not uncommon.
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I work at a trt clinic
For $200 a month patients get:
Once or twice a week injections, no appointment just walk in, no wait
Test/estrogen/prostate/hgb blood work monthly in the first 6 months
Blood work once every 6 months once maintenance dose is achieved
We aim for test levels around 600-800
This also includes arimidex to keep Estro between 20-40
Optional Hcg is $10 per 250 iu shot, most twice a week
Most doses are 100-150mg week with .25-.5mg of arimidex per week
Side effects are minimal bc we monitor so frequent
For men unfamiliar with steroids it's a no brainer, it's even worth it to cover just the cost of blood work alone. And it's a walk in clinic, you never wait, and the PA's will write concierge scripts for cialis, bp meds, other meds and any bloodwork you want
Most pcp's have no idea about trt and do not monitor and manage levels to the extent that we do they'll hand you a script for test, needles, and have you do blood work every 6 months which is irresponsible.
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I work at a trt clinic
For $200 a month patients get:
Once or twice a week injections, no appointment just walk in, no wait
Test/estrogen/prostate/hgb blood work monthly in the first 6 months
Blood work once every 6 months once maintenance dose is achieved
We aim for test levels around 600-800
This also includes arimidex to keep Estro between 20-40
Optional Hcg is $10 per 250 iu shot, most twice a week
Most doses are 100-150mg week with .25-.5mg of arimidex per week
Side effects are minimal bc we monitor so frequent
For men unfamiliar with steroids it's a no brainer, it's even worth it to cover just the cost of blood work alone. And it's a walk in clinic, you never wait, and the PA's will write concierge scripts for cialis, bp meds, other meds and any bloodwork you want
Most pcp's have no idea about trt and do not monitor and manage levels to the extent that we do they'll hand you a script for test, needles, and have you do blood work every 6 months which is irresponsible.
200$ a month for THAT is well worth it.
Especially if you're not looking to get involved in the UGL world or have any interest on doing more harsh anabolics/androgenics.
I would imagine the casual TRT patient can't pin himself--so right there it's almost a life savior.
There is absolutely no need for a man between 30-65 to not be on TRT once you start feeling like shit.
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Poor diet, lack of sleep, lack of quality exercise and stress. Things most guys have consistently for their entire adult lives. Test levels will naturally dip gradually as you age, but the notion that they plummet after 40 is bs. Its the shitty western lifestyle that does it.
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Poor diet, lack of sleep, lack of quality exercise and stress. Things most guys have consistently for their entire adult lives. Test levels will naturally dip gradually as you age, but the notion that they plummet after 40 is bs. Its the shitty western lifestyle that does it.
Great post. Spot on.
General laziness contributes to all the factors above.
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I follow an HRT page on Facebook, and holy shit are the members paranoid. Every little thing
they think might be a side effect from the test or antiestrogen, or lack of antiestrogen, HCG etc and they
are freaking out. These people could never handle a performance enhancing steroid cycle as they
are worried sick just from doing 100mg of test a week. If they sweat a little extra or they get a pimple they
freak out.