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Great, great read. My god...what a workload of training. Same bodyparts many days per week. Good stuff.
http://www.dennisbweis.com/Articles/Bill_Pearls_Training_Strategies.html
Bill Pearl’s Training Strategies
(Excerpts from a 1980’s Super-Seminar)
By Dennis B. Weis "The Yukon Hercules
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That's a lot of volume. Damn.
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I think the key is he never went to failure only 85%...
Quote from Bill...
People ask me why I don’t believe in training to failure at a time when the popular notion in bodybuilding is that the only way to make maximum progress is to always go for that last impossible rep (in other words, train to failure). I tell them the answer is quite simple: If you do a workout of, say, nine exercises, three sets per exercise, and in each set you go to failure, which means you couldn’t complete the last rep, what you have done in these 27 sets is trained yourself to fail 27 times! That doesn’t sound like success in my book.
My approach to training has always been to push yourself in your workouts, but do not train to failure! The last rep should be difficult, but not impossible or unachievable. And I’ve always been a great believer that you should leave the gym each day feeling like you had a great workout but you’ve still got a little bit left in the gas tank, so to speak. Because if you don’t leave the gym with the feeling of having something in reserve, you will sooner or later reach a point where your training begins to seem so hellish and burdensome, you will either start missing workouts or stop training altogether. And then where is your progress?
So speaking from experience, I urge you: Train hard, yes, but not to failure. Complete what you start — and that means every rep. I believe that this approach will not only ensure that you’ll stay with your training program year after year (obviously training longevity is a very important aspect of all of this) but you’ll also make the greatest progress. Why? Because you’ll be training yourself for success in each and every rep, set and workout. Your training will be a positive rather than negative experience. And you’ll be much more likely to keep your enthusiasm high and to avoid injury, overtraining and mental burnout.
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yes only psychos train to failure all the time
and then they spread their gospel because they think other people are as psycho as they are
show me one guy with somekind of normal life who wanna go down in the "dungeon" and mimic what dorian did for years and years on end.
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Also has said you don't need more than 50 grams of protein a day or something like that.
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Interesting.
I've always wondered what kind of training may be the "best" to grow and it seems like one of the key ingredients is to have lots of volume.
Louie Simmons also said that growth comes from high rep workouts done many times a week.
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Yates proved that volume is nonsense.
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yates proved jack and shit
most mr olympias dont train like yates. and yet they ended up winning over and over and over again
a lot of them have LESS injuries than he did, both at the time and after their career.
which means yates is the fool.
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yates proved jack and shit
most mr olympias dont train like yates. and yet they ended up winning over and over and over again
a lot of them have LESS injuries than he did, both at the time and after their career.
which means yates is the fool.
::)
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Yates proved that volume is nonsense.
Maybe the look of his muscle was better due to heavy training, but it seems that "blowing up" via a higehr volume approach is a bit safer.
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Bill Pearl/may 1980
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dude stood his ground with AJ and didn't back down
PROPS
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Bill Pearl/may 1980
I never see any shots of Pearl from the back.
Never seen a rear lat spread.
???
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bodybuilders have never really caught on to the fact just about every other type of athlete does periods of lower intensity higher volume work and periods of higher intensity lower volume work... it's called periodization.
Generally they train long and easy at the start of a peaking cycle and buildup to harder and shorter workouts as the event gets closer. The last few weeks they taper off the intensity to be rested for competition.
Yates actually talked about how he did in fact taper back the intensity of his training the last month before a show... stopping forced reps etc.
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yates has 0 to learn anyone when it comes to training.
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yates has 0 to learn anyone when it comes to training.
Great English.
yates has 0 to learn anyone when it comes to training.
No, just his Night of the Champions victory, his slew of Grand Prix titles, and... oh yeah, his six Mr. Olympia titles.
Only lost twice as a pro.
Still has his health and physique as opposed to 98% of the other guys - including Coleman. ::)
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Does anyone have any Pearl back pictures.
I'm pretty sure I have never seen one.
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I never get this high volume vs low volume argument. You want to lift for hours, be my guest. You want to get into the gym and out in 45 minutes a few days a week, do that. I personally am quite content lifting briefly and intensely- it keeps my interest high. As a natural, there is only so far you will get lifting after the first few years anyways. I added 30 pounds in the first 3 years and after that- zilch 160 to 190 pounds with the same body fat levels. I lift to maintain strength and muscle. Short workouts do exactly that.
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Great English.
No, just his Night of the Champions victory, his slew of Grand Prix titles, and... oh yeah, his six Mr. Olympia titles.
Only lost twice as a pro.
Still has his health and physique as opposed to 98% of the other guys - including Coleman. ::)
who are those 98% ?
cutler?
dexter?
haney?
heath?
dorian competed during 12 years
dexter been competing for 25 years
if he wouldve trained like dorian theres no way he would've stayed in the game for that long.
like i said, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LEARN FROM DORIAN.
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Does anyone have any Pearl back pictures.
I'm pretty sure I have never seen one.
a thick guy
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Yates proved that volume is nonsense.
How is that?
Bill and all the other guys have trained/train all their lives with basically high/Med volume and continued to do so decades after competing.
Dorian basically has not trained in his style since he stopped competing and on Joe Rogan he has flat out said that he just does Yoga and cycling now.(not a knock on him, just fact)
The only thing he proved was his style WORKED FOR HIM when he was competing, that kind of training did jack shit for him when he stopped because he could not keep that kind of intenisty he had to that level, and his body gave out in 1997 leading up to his last OLympia. Mike mentzer and Arthur Jones also promoted this low volume etc versions they had themselves where you could gain by being in and out of the gym in 30-45 minutes 3-4 times a week yet neither could find the time to train themselves the last couple of decades before dying, yet they sold to people that they SHOULD make time for these brief workouts lol
To Bill' credit in that seminar he was pointing out 2 things when he spoke of volume....the first being that he does all that volume because he likes being in the gym and that he could get the same thing from half as much(hint hint), and 2 when he mentions that arm vlume in the first part he was talking about specialization, not forever, as most likely someone asked about fucking arms and the writer left that part out which does not matter because nobody ever asks how to bring up calves or legs(oh brother ::) ) but only arms
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who are those 98% ?
cutler?
dexter?
haney?
heath?
dorian competed during 12 years
dexter been competing for 25 years
if he wouldve trained like dorian theres no way he would've stayed in the game for that long.
like i said, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LEARN FROM DORIAN.
Cutler? Please.
Dexter? They gave the little guy a Sandow to keep interest in this pseudo-sport from waning. It didn't work.
Haney?
Read Haney articles and listen to him.
He did not do volume.
3 sets per exercise.
12 sets for entire bodypart.
Heath???? :D
And why do you assume Yates wants to compete for twenty-five years? Who does that? Losers like Dexter who used to live off of whomever was his girlfriend at the time?
Who the fuck would want to train like that and diet like that for a fucking quarter century? A fucking idiot with no life, that's who.
A pathetic attempt to achieve past glory and take home a silly plastic trophy. The prize money doesn't even pay for the steroid cycle and the diuretics.
Anyone would rather be out of it with money, decent health and six Sandows.
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a thick guy
Thanks for the pic, jwb. :) 8)
Bill and all the other guys have trained/train all their lives with basically high/Med volume and continued to do so decades after competing.
Dorian basically has not trained in his style since he stopped competing and on Joe Rogan he has flat out said that he just does Yoga and cycling now.(not a knock on him, just fact)
The only thing he proved was his style WORKED FOR HIM when he was competing, that kind of training did jack shit for him when he stopped because he could not keep that kind of intenisty he had to that level, and his body gave out in 1997 leading up to his last OLympia.
But remember that he is not trying to maintain that physique as a retired bodybuilder. It would be foolish to continue that level of training intensity.
To Bill' credit in that seminar he was pointing out 2 things when he spoke of volume....the first being that he does all that volume because he likes being in the gym and that he could get the same thing from half as much(hint hint)
Are you saying Bill didn't use roids? Dude, come on.
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Thanks for the pic, jwb. :) 8)
But remember that he is not trying to maintain that physique as a retired bodybuilder. It would be foolish to continue that level of training intensity.
Are you saying Bill didn't use roids? Dude, come on.
Actually I was not even thinking of roids until you broought it up
Speaking of which this is a good video the first 5 to 10 minutes on that subject of training on drugs versus off
these guys response is 100% on for the excuse making morons out there
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still not a single argument why anybody - anybody - should train like dorian. that includes dorian himself.
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"Read Haney articles and listen to him.
He did not do volume.
3 sets per exercise.
12 sets for entire bodypart."
LOL. 12 sets IS volume!
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still not a single argument why anybody - anybody - should train like dorian. that includes dorian himself.
x2 dumbest way to train , will injure u n make u fat with hit bs
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"Read Haney articles and listen to him.
He did not do volume.
3 sets per exercise.
12 sets for entire bodypart."
LOL. 12 sets IS volume!
quoted for truth
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Those of us who started training in the late 1950s were never sure we knew how to make muscles grow. So it was a continuous journey to find out more.
We read the magazines from cover to cover. Out of nowhere came Larry Scott. He came up with absolutely brutal workouts. Must be good because he
was an ordinary guy with narrow shoulders but built some of the best arms ever seen. Just as Larry was crowned King two wannabes appeared to just
about spoil things for everyone who lifted weights. Sergio Oliva and Arnold. Both really huge guys. I mean, after seeing these guys why even bother
lifting weights? We were never going to be like those two.
Well, many of us did persist and what did we learn? I tried HIT, Scott burns and so many other methods. Nothing helped me get really big arms. Sure,
we all heard the rumors about steroids and most of us tried small doses that didn't get us anywhere near Sergio-Arnold. Should we have taken more
gear? Or perhaps we were at the maximum size we were ever going to develop? I never believed that most of us were anywhere near our maximum
muscular size.
Let me explain a factor that affected just about everyone who lifted weights back in the 1970s. Nautilus and Arthur Jones. The net effect of what
Arthur preached was not to do any more training than was necessary. Also, he stated that intensity was the main factor behind hypertrophy.
On the one hand there was Larry Scott's method advocating brutal painful workouts. Lots of rapid sets to failure. Compare that to HIT where you
tried to do the least amount of sets to stimulate growth. Train more intensely but also keep the workouts short. In fact, if you trained to absolute failure
several times in a workout it had to be brief. What I ended up doing was to apply Larry's idea about training for the maximum pump. I applied the Jones
principle of doing this is the fewest number of sets. Including warmup sets I needed about 7 sets to reach a maximum pump. So that is all I did. It was
always a pyramid and when I did a set with the maximum resistance there ended my workout. On some occasions I would reduce the resistance and do
one or two more sets. Did this protocol get my arms bigger? Nope, they stopped just short of 18 inches cold. I could pump them to 18 1/2 or slightly more.
When you run a gym you meet new guys who are bigger than you. That is a good time to watch what they do. One day this big South Sea Islander came
in for a workout. I trained back with him. We started lat pulldowns with 15 X 5 kg plates. A heavy resistance to start with! I did something like 15 reps. This huge
guy also matched what I did. On the second set I managed only 12 reps. The big guy did another set for 15 reps. On my third set I was down to about 8 reps.
He continued and did over 12 reps. Then he went to do seated rowing for lots of sets. Well, I was blown away since we didn't rest after the other guy did his set.
3 or 4 sets and I was done. He kept doing several additional sets with the same resistance. I was impressed. I also concluded what big muscles were good for.
Since I was just as strong as he was for a single I couldn't keep up with him for endurance. Big muscles were necessary to lift a heavy weight for 10 reps over
and over and over and over again for something like 8 to 10 sets. There I was always stopping at the maximum set. What I should have done was count that
final set as my first training set and continue to do another 5 or 6 sets with the same maximum resistance. Rest long enough to get your target number of reps.
I always started with something like 15 to 20 reps. What happens is that by the 3rd set you can't do as many reps. You try to keep every set over 10 reps to get
the best pump and avoid swinging or cheating to finish the sets. Therein is the secret I longed for since 1958. Warm up and keep adding weight until your training set.
Once at the maximum resistance keep doing set after set after set with the same resistance. The accumulated time under tension is what triggers more hypertrophy.
That is why Bill Pearl didn't have to go to failure. He knew that all he had to do was keep doing heaps of maximum sets. 5 or 6 should be enough. Well, imagine using
this protocol for squats! Would be damned hard. Not so bad for arms and calves.
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Bill Pearl at 55 long after he stopped competing.
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Bill Pearl always gave out good training advice. His biography "Beyond the Universe" is a great read. One of the few that made real money at bodybuilding. The guy had an incredible life. He was in the military, a musician, owned many antique cars that he restored, collector of antiques, and many other interesting things. His relationship with Arthur Jones is something. One thing he did for decades. He woke up at 3 or 4AM to train.
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He competed at over 250lbs when that was unheard of.
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weird how very few people on this site actually view the Training board
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=561467.0
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It seems that Lee Labrada is the best advocate of HIT.
25 minutes max per muscle group.
4-5 training session per week.
Any stories on his training ?
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Bill Pearl always gave out good training advice. His biography "Beyond the Universe" is a great read. One of the few that made real money at bodybuilding. The guy had an incredible life. He was in the military, a musician, owned many antique cars that he restored, collector of antiques, and many other interesting things. His relationship with Arthur Jones is something. One thing he did for decades. He woke up at 3 or 4AM to train.
I mentioned this about AJ a few posts up
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Actually I was not even thinking of roids until you broought it up
Speaking of which this is a good video the first 5 to 10 minutes on that subject of training on drugs versus off
these guys response is 100% on for the excuse making morons out there.
I don't know who those two idiots are, but they look like a couple of fat juiceheads.
They is nothing funnier than a juicer who is obese at the same time.
still not a single argument why anybody - anybody - should train like dorian. that includes dorian himself.
Six Sandows. Money. Relatively good health compared to many others who couldn't even win the title. ;D
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"Read Haney articles and listen to him.
He did not do volume.
3 sets per exercise.
12 sets for entire bodypart."
LOL. 12 sets IS volume!
You consider twelve sets total to be volume?
Yeah, it's more than Yates, but less than half just about everyone else who does volume.
And stop posting in color, Vince. It is gayer than gay.
It seems that Lee Labrada is the best advocate of HIT.
25 minutes max per muscle group.
4-5 training session per week.
Any stories on his training ?
And he didn't have great genetics, and yet it could be argued he was robbed of two Olympia titles in 89' and 90'.
Again, what does that tell us?