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two thousand a month? three thousand a month? anybody really know.
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as much fart powder as they can drink.
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Roelly got 15k/month when he 'worked' for BSN (very close source)
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two thousand a month? three thousand a month? anybody really know.
A pro bodybuilder contracts can range from about 40k up to 1M although 212 class contract can actually dip to about 25k. However the contracts come with all the trimmings....food, apartment rental, leased company vehicle, HRT doctor services, and other health services.
The only expection was a Weider contract. It was a very small stipend per month....Shawn Ray's first one was about 1000 dollars a month from what he told me one a long time ago. However, they all had a clause at one time entitling an athlete to an unlimited supply of Weider products.....something that Milos told me about at a pro show while he was selling his Kolosseum products. He told me between laughs that every week he would drive up to the warehouse in a stationwagon and fill his vehicle up with as much product as he could fit and then sell it to some vendors at fire sale prices. ;D
One thing you want to remember....contracts are not based on how well they place in contest but more on popularity and how well they work at booths and expos.
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A pro bodybuilder contracts can range from about 40k up to 1M although 212 class contract can actually dip to about 25k. However the contracts come with all the trimmings....food, apartment rental, leased company vehicle, HRT doctor services, and other health services.
The only expection was a Weider contract. It was a very small stipend per month....Shawn Ray's first one was about 1000 dollars a month from what he told me one a long time ago. However, they all had a clause at one time entitling an athlete to an unlimited supply of Weider products.....something that Milos told me about at a pro show while he was selling his Kolosseum products. He told me between laughs that every week he would drive up to the warehouse in a stationwagon and fill his vehicle up with as much product as he could fit and then sell it to some vendors at fire sale prices. ;D
One thing you want to remember....contracts are not based on how well they place in contest but more on popularity and how well they work at booths and expos.
Tom Prince said that behavior is why Milos lost the sponorship. He also said that Milos had the product shipped to his gym.
Art Atwood said he made more from guest appearances than supplement deals.
Singerman said that her donating the rest of Dallas's contract to his foundation, I wonder how much that will be.
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Tom Prince said that behavior is why Milos lost the sponorship. He also said that Milos had the product shipped to his gym.
Art Atwood said he made more from guest appearances than supplement deals.
Singerman said that her donating the rest of Dallas's contract to his foundation, I wonder how much that will be.
and imagine if singerman then just took all the donation money and kept it for himself-now he won't lose money because of dumb dumbs death
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Tom Prince said that behavior is why Milos lost the sponorship. He also said that Milos had the product shipped to his gym.
Art Atwood said he made more from guest appearances than supplement deals.
Singerman said that her donating the rest of Dallas's contract to his foundation, I wonder how much that will be.
Yea, Joe Weider closed that loophole up real quick......when he had it shipped to his gym is when he actually got caught because he was selling it right there. I wouldn't doubt Art making more money in guest appearances as he was wildly popular due to his extreme width and side....dude was a walking french door......lol.
As far as the donation is concerned, I'm not sure and its something I would not ask Aaron. Dallas McCarver was more than just an athlete and employee to him so its not a good time. I just hope he gets some rest as he's been running himself pretty haggard lately.
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One thing you want to remember....contracts are not based on how well they place in contest but more on popularity and how well they work at booths and expos.
So it would be fair to say that professional bodybuilders are entertainers?
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So it would be fair to say that professional bodybuilders are entertainers?
Freak Show chemical addiction people who would perform in a circus had they been born in the 19th century
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Freak Show chemical addiction people who would perform in a circus had they been born in the 19th century
Pretty much sums it up
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I know that there are some insiders here. What were some of the top contracts to ever be signed? I've heard the rumors of a few guys getting 1 million per year. Was it true? What is considered a good contract these days? 150K per year?
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A pro bodybuilder contracts can range from about 40k up to 1M although 212 class contract can actually dip to about 25k. However the contracts come with all the trimmings....food, apartment rental, leased company vehicle, HRT doctor services, and other health services.
The only expection was a Weider contract. It was a very small stipend per month....Shawn Ray's first one was about 1000 dollars a month from what he told me one a long time ago. However, they all had a clause at one time entitling an athlete to an unlimited supply of Weider products.....something that Milos told me about at a pro show while he was selling his Kolosseum products. He told me between laughs that every week he would drive up to the warehouse in a stationwagon and fill his vehicle up with as much product as he could fit and then sell it to some vendors at fire sale prices. ;D
One thing you want to remember....contracts are not based on how well they place in contest but more on popularity and how well they work at booths and expos.
Shawn said that in an interview somewhere. $1K a month and his expenses at the time as he moved out of home were like $990 a month.
Nasser made a point to mention the Milos supplement thing in an interview and how they all stopped receiving so much because of him. One of the Anti Milos interviews on BBing.com
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there are no contracts anylonger
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two thousand a month? three thousand a month? anybody really know.
10 k a month is really good money, if you're not Top 6 at Big O.
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So it would be fair to say that professional bodybuilders are entertainers?
Yes, most competitors that have contracts usually should be smart enough to LLC themselves, so you can deduct car, expenses, anything that pertains to the image to keep up. That is what most actors do. They you get get a multiple contracts, and at the end of the year, due your own taxes, etc. You also have to pay Social Security on yourself, which can equal 15%, plus other taxes that being an LLC needs.
I know that there are some insiders here. What were some of the top contracts to ever be signed? I've heard the rumors of a few guys getting 1 million per year. Was it true? What is considered a good contract these days? 150K per year?
There have been some high level contracts in the past, but not like that anymore. Ronnie Coleman had a huge contract when he signed with BSN. Jay Cutler also received a huge contract. Same with Phil Heath and Muscletech. Those were 1/2 million of more a year, not including expenses, prize money and others. I am not privy to these contracts so all from word of mouth
Two thousand a month? three thousand a month? anybody really know.
It all depends. I know a few female competitors receiving 2-3K a month, but that includes appearances, etc. Each contract is different and spells out the terms - #2 of shows to enter, appearances, social media blogs, tweets, instagram mentions. Many different aspects. Also, making sure you are not photographed with another companys logo in the background.
Also, you can have sometimes multiple contracts - I know one competitors that has like 7 of them - clothing, supplements, local gym, meal planning, appearances. When you are an LLC - all of these count as income - getting a free membership still needs to be reported, same with free meals, gifts - especially if the other party reports it on a 1099 (over $800 a year).
All in all, if smart, savvy, successful - you can legally do well in excess of $100K a year in your lifestyle. (not always money, but everything)
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I remember in the old days (late 90s and 2000s) Weider would sponsor top pros at 40 to 100k a year..i could be wrong...
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I wonder how much the ANIMAL guys make. Seems to me that's as close as an old fashioned Weider contract used to be
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A pro bodybuilder contracts can range from about 40k up to 1M although 212 class contract can actually dip to about 25k. However the contracts come with all the trimmings....food, apartment rental, leased company vehicle, HRT doctor services, and other health services.
The only expection was a Weider contract. It was a very small stipend per month....Shawn Ray's first one was about 1000 dollars a month from what he told me one a long time ago. However, they all had a clause at one time entitling an athlete to an unlimited supply of Weider products.....something that Milos told me about at a pro show while he was selling his Kolosseum products. He told me between laughs that every week he would drive up to the warehouse in a stationwagon and fill his vehicle up with as much product as he could fit and then sell it to some vendors at fire sale prices. ;D
One thing you want to remember....contracts are not based on how well they place in contest but more on popularity and how well they work at booths and expos.
So Goodrum is related to Shawn Ray?
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Singerman said that her donating the rest of Dallas's contract to his foundation, I wonder how much that will be.
Well he's dropped two separate chunks of just over $15k into the GoFundMe thing, and since they are not round figures it looks to me like they could be the last 2 contract payments that would have been due to Dallas.....
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So it would be fair to say that professional bodybuilders are entertainers?
Yes, most competitors that have contracts usually should be smart enough to LLC themselves, so you can deduct car, expenses, anything that pertains to the image to keep up. That is what most actors do. They you get get a multiple contracts, and at the end of the year, due your own taxes, etc. You also have to pay Social Security on yourself, which can equal 15%, plus other taxes that being an LLC needs.
There have been some high level contracts in the past, but not like that anymore. Ronnie Coleman had a huge contract when he signed with BSN. Jay Cutler also received a huge contract. Same with Phil Heath and Muscletech. Those were 1/2 million of more a year, not including expenses, prize money and others. I am not privy to these contracts so all from word of mouth
It all depends. I know a few female competitors receiving 2-3K a month, but that includes appearances, etc. Each contract is different and spells out the terms - #2 of shows to enter, appearances, social media blogs, tweets, instagram mentions. Many different aspects. Also, making sure you are not photographed with another companys logo in the background.
Also, you can have sometimes multiple contracts - I know one competitors that has like 7 of them - clothing, supplements, local gym, meal planning, appearances. When you are an LLC - all of these count as income - getting a free membership still needs to be reported, same with free meals, gifts - especially if the other party reports it on a 1099 (over $800 a year).
All in all, if smart, savvy, successful - you can legally do well in excess of $100K a year in your lifestyle. (not always money, but everything)
For as long as this as this has been an industry you'd think they could do better that this. Sad.
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I'm very tired, so hopefully there are no typos here - but I heard what Vince said about Shawn Ray's 1988 contract. One month he made $2,000, on top of that $1,000, and had a pretty good month, having made $3,000.
Dallas McCarver was getting paid $2,000 a month working for Muscular Development magazine, before he quit after being so upset that others were not being paid. Jason Huh was also being paid $2,000 by MD but was not delivering, contest-wise, and was released from the publication. He said that extra $2,000 was something he really noticed after losing it. $24,000 a year with relatively few obligations is pretty good. I'm not sure why MD released Jason Huh - he was very despite not getting the best placings. Perhaps that is why ANIMAL PAK/UNIVERSAL is a better fit for him - they seem to feature a lot of popular bodybuilding, and not necessarily base their values on contest placings. Frank McGrath is another good fit for UNIVERSAL. He is turning 39 this year.
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You're still all a bunch of delusional schmoey morons. None of them get paid anymore. MD doesn't pay anyone. In 2017 you are all still speculating contracts and payments or lack there of?
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So Goodrum is related to Shawn Ray?
Hey Basil how is gym business going on ;D
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Peanuts! The days of Weider contracts a la Art Atwood et al are long gone - the main stream BB push failed and took with it any hopes of big bucks contracts for all but a select few.
Ronnie was probably the last big earner.
Now a lot of the sad fucks work for free or next to nothing for the 'exposure'. They might get a bit of free shit which they sell...
Even the main stream, pretty, fitness models dont earn enough to support their lifestyle around Europe.
Why do you think so may 'professional' atheltes offer coaching services? ::) ::) ::) Dat der cell tech dun pay ma bhills noo moore
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I remember in the old days (late 90s and 2000s) Weider would sponsor top pros at 40 to 100k a year..i could be wrong...
Schmoeing doesn't come cheap.
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Peanuts! The days of Weider contracts a la Art Atwood et al are long gone - the main stream BB push failed and took with it any hopes of big bucks contracts for all but a select few.
Ronnie was probably the last big earner.
Now a lot of the sad fucks work for free or next to nothing for the 'exposure'. They might get a bit of free shit which they sell...
Even the main stream, pretty, fitness models dont earn enough to support their lifestyle around Europe.
Why do you think so may 'professional' atheltes offer coaching services? ::) ::) ::) Dat der cell tech dun pay ma bhills noo moore
What do you think the Art Atwood contracts were? As I understand it, a publishing contract with FLEX magazine paid $80,000. That is what Phil Heath's 2005 contract was, which he kept for many years. I think Flex had 10 or 20 guys under contract. In recent years, FLEX had Frank McGrath and Juan More under contract, but as I understand it, FLEX had had a hard time paying the bills.
At the Mr. Olympia expo in 2013, you would get a free 1-year subscription for two Weider titles with the purchase of a weekend pass to the expo, or a free 1-year subscription for one Weider title with the purchase of a 1-day pass to the expo, on any of the days that it ran. There were people signing up throughout the entire course of the expo, so presumably Weider .brought in possibly as many as 50,000 or more subscriptions to FLEX during that weekend - that said, there were other titles it had to compete with, so it's hard to say which title racked up the most subscriptions. Whether or not FLEX still has anything close to 100,000 subscriptions a month, I don't know. I like seeing mainstream media get displaced though.
Like cable, I am under the impression that advertising pays the bills these days - not subscription services (circulation, in the case of print). But if FLEX is still hitting 75,000+ subscribers, they can probably pull decent ad numbers, but it just isn't like it used to be.
As Evo said, competitors can sell the free product that they are given. They can also become coaches. While this seems pathetic compared to the salaries of football players or pro athletes, it is still possible to make money - especially for pros. Pros can secure a fair amount of money through coaching services. Also, there is a little gay interest in terms of being seen with a pro. Rich Piana's ex-girlfriend Amy Waz told me that people would pay Rich basically just to be seen with him. I strongly suspect that is going on - there are likely still a fair number of gay men in the closet, even though they shouldn't be. No doubt a lot of these men make good salaries and would love to just be seen with a pro bodybuilder, and would be willing to pay $50 an hour to do so.
Lastly, I think becoming a diet coach is basically formulaic. First, actually getting qualified somehow is a good thing. Just take an online program in Nutrition or something like that. Then seek out the best people who will do your job as a coach for you. Keep getting more of these people who don't need a coach but think they do, and then you get a reputation as a good coach based on the results of your clients, who were already succeeding without you.