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This doesn't make sense to me he is a guy that's explosive and strong with probably a lot of fast twitch muscle. He probably is physiologically incapable of developing elite endurance and even if he could it would probably come at the expense of strength. Doesn't anyone understand this? He doesn't even seem to understand it. I think he's getting a lot of smoke blown up his ass, by his advisers which is great for his confidence but terrible for his game plan. Yes he put on a respectable show, maybe better than if he was focused on a quick KO and gassed even earlier, but he gave up whatever small chance he had to win by fighting to go the distance.
Asking him to fight for 12 rounds is like asking Usain Bolt to start working on his 10k. A sport like boxing with the padded gloves further stacks the odds against him because not only does it take away his kicking, knees, elbows etc, it diminishes the effect of his one remaining tool knockout counter punching. Nevermind the fact that those judges were never going to give him a fair shot.
What a BS sport. The reason people liked Tyson is because he tried to win with explosive power instead of the ability exert medium effort for an hour and take a lot of punches. Who aspires to have those skills?
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Conor should have worked on his non existent jab. He kept using his right to measure for the big left shot but you're not going to get away with that with a boxer of Mayweather's magnitude.
MMA is clearly more anaerobic while boxing is more aerobic. Also Mayweather conserved his gas tank while Conor was using everything up. It's like when you learn Jui Jitsu you fight like a lunatic with no clear goal wasting energy. Then as you advance you only exert when you have a clear goal of where you are going.
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The guy punches like a girl.
He should just walk away after duping the world for something like 70 to 100 million dollars.
Take a hint. You already have two cauliflower ears going.
I doubt the grey matter can take many more shots.
Float away, you fairy. ::)
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I think he's getting a lot of smoke blown up his ass
My friend said he was at the house of a dental hygienist in her bedroom and that she asked to blow Coke up his ass. Then he blew Coke up her ass.
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This doesn't make sense to me he is a guy that's explosive and strong with probably a lot of fast twitch muscle. He probably is physiologically incapable of developing elite endurance and even if he could it would probably come at the expense of strenght. Doesn't anyone understand this? He doesn't even seem to understand it. I think he's getting a lot of smoke blown up his ass, by his advisers which is great for his confidence but terrible for his game plan. Yes he put on a respectable show, maybe better than if he was focused on a quick KO and gassed even earier, but he gave up whatever small chance he had to win by fighting to go the distance.
Asking him to fight for 12 rounds is like asking Usain Bolt to start working on his 10k. A sport like boxing with the padded gloves further stacks the odds against him because not only does it take away his kicking, knees, elbows etc, it diminishes the effect of his one remaining tool knockout counter punching. Nevermind the fact that those judges were never going to give him a fair shot.
What a BS sport. The reason people liked Tyson is because he tried to win with explosive power instead of the ability exert medium effort for an hour and take a lot of punches. Who aspires to have those skills?
His handlers blew it. MMA is anaerobic, Boxing is aerobic. They didn't take into consideration the energy systems (or flat out didn't know or understand). I had him going down in the seventh. His hands started dropping in the sixth to early seventh he looked to be trained for five...for MMA. Boxing is another world when it comes to training and conditioning.
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Since his drop in performance comes so suddenly and he get weak legs like he says, I think it has more to do with blood sugar levels than anything else. The carb loading is important since he cuts so much weight. Probably using insulin during carb loading to maximize it, like most athletes. It cant be tested for. There is no way you can push that much weight back into the muscles over night without insulin. He probably cuts too much and has to carb load too much. I bet he felt fine in the gym for 12 rounds when he didn't cut.
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Since his drop in performance comes so suddenly and he get weak legs like he says, I think it has more to do with blood sugar levels than anything else. The carb loading is important since he cuts so much weight. Probably using insulin during carb loading to maximize it, like most athletes. It cant be tested for. There is no way you can push that much weight back into the muscles over night without insulin. He probably cuts too much and has to carb load too much. I bet he felt fine in the gym for 12 rounds when he didn't cut.
He weighed in at 153 and was 170 the day of the fight. Glycerol is commonly used but in his case he conditioned wrong. If anything he gained too much. Insulin? Are you serious? The carbs conversion to sugar would send him through the roof. No, his trainers were idiots plain and simple.
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The guy punches like a girl.
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his punching techique is almost as bad as marius pudzHe weighed in at 153 and was 170 the day of the fight. Glycerol is commonly used but in his case he conditioned wrong. If anything he gained too much. Insulin? Are you serious? The carbs conversion to sugar would send him through the roof. No, his trainers were idiots plain and simple.
you can gain back a shit load for bench press comps and perform fine coz all you do is lay your assistance down on a bench and press the weight
boxing is a whole different story
how much weight do you think one could cut and gain back and still perform at optimal levels?
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his punching techique is almost as bad as marius pudz
you can gain back a shit load for bench press comps and perform fine coz all you do is lay your assistance down on a bench and press the weight
boxing is a whole different story
how much weight do you think one could cut and gain back and still perform at optimal levels?
You can't compare a bp comp to boxing or MMA.. I would hope you knew this. But in answer to your question and I've said this before, if a fighter knows he has a fight 8-10-12 or longer weeks prior why in the hell are you starting the cut 2/3/4 weeks out regardless of what your walking weight is? I never take fighters with last minute fights that have to do hard cuts. If McGregor did a hard cut right before then the dumb fuck deserves to lose given the time he had.
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You can't compare a bp comp to boxing or MMA.. I would hope you knew this. But in answer to your question and I've said this before, if a fighter knows he has a fight 8-10-12 or longer weeks prior why in the hell are you starting the cut 2/3/4 weeks out regardless of what your walking weight is? I never take fighters with last minute fights that have to do hard cuts. If McGregor did a hard cut right before then the dumb fuck deserves to lose given the time he had.
yeah i know boxing is much different than a bench comp
but i'm talking about the final cut 8-12 hours before weigh in where you empty your bowels and lose as much water as possible
best i did was 9 pounds in 8-12 hours
Doug Heath did 21 fucking pounds in 8-12 hours
JM Blakely did 17 pounds in 8-12
some of these mmgay turds claim they lose 30 fucking pounds in 12 hours
so how much can a boxer lose in the final 12?
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His handlers blew it. MMA is anaerobic, Boxing is aerobic. They didn't take into consideration the energy systems (or flat out didn't know or understand). I had him going down in the seventh. His hands started dropping in the sixth to early seventh he looked to be trained for five...for MMA. Boxing is another world when it comes to training and conditioning.
Coach, is it even possible to take a guy that has mediocre cardio and turn him into a cardio beast if he is primarily a fast twitch strength or explosive athlete? If it can be done at all does said athlete lose their pop in the process?
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Conor should have worked on his non existent jab. He kept using his right to measure for the big left shot but you're not going to get away with that with a boxer of Mayweather's magnitude.
MMA is clearly more anaerobic while boxing is more aerobic. Also Mayweather conserved his gas tank while Conor was using everything up. It's like when you learn Jui Jitsu you fight like a lunatic with no clear goal wasting energy. Then as you advance you only exert when you have a clear goal of where you are going.
I would bet that bear knuckles no rules fighting would be even more anaerobic. The more that is done to mitigate the offensive power of an explosion, the longer fights will go on average and the more cardio comes into play.
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Coach, is it even possible to take a guy that has mediocre cardio and turn him into a cardio beast if he is primarily a fast twitch strength or explosive athlete? If it can be done at all does said athlete lose their pop in the process?
I got fit as fuck training with my boxing coach and still kept my punching power intact
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I got fit as fuck training with my boxing coach and still kept my punching power intact
Are you an amateur or a Pro ?
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The guy punches like a girl.
He should just walk away after duping the world for something like 70 to 100 million dollars.
Take a hint. You already have two cauliflower ears going.
I doubt the grey matter can take many more shots.
Float away, you fairy. ::)
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This doesn't make sense to me he is a guy that's explosive and strong with probably a lot of fast twitch muscle. He probably is physiologically incapable of developing elite endurance and even if he could it would probably come at the expense of strenght. Doesn't anyone understand this? He doesn't even seem to understand it. I think he's getting a lot of smoke blown up his ass, by his advisers which is great for his confidence but terrible for his game plan. Yes he put on a respectable show, maybe better than if he was focused on a quick KO and gassed even earier, but he gave up whatever small chance he had to win by fighting to go the distance.
Asking him to fight for 12 rounds is like asking Usain Bolt to start working on his 10k. A sport like boxing with the padded gloves further stacks the odds against him because not only does it take away his kicking, knees, elbows etc, it diminishes the effect of his one remaining tool knockout counter punching. Nevermind the fact that those judges were never going to give him a fair shot.
What a BS sport. The reason people liked Tyson is because he tried to win with explosive power instead of the ability exert medium effort for an hour and take a lot of punches. Who aspires to have those skills?
I don't think Conner has bad cardio, he just doesn't have the boxing experience. His brain probably thinks it's an mma duration. Improved cardio can just be from improved efficiency.
MMA is cardio intensive. Just look at the old school fights and see how gassed most fighters were. Oleg vs Tank comes to mind, they were both flat on their backs gasping for air lol.
Lance Armstrong had insane cardio for the tour de France, but when he ran for a marathon he was good but nothing special. Lack of sport specific efficiency .
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My friend said he was at the house of a dental hygienist in her bedroom and that she asked to blow Coke up his ass. Then he blew Coke up her ass.
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Now that's what I call a f**king party!!!
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While we're on the subject, I heard that's another one of the ways Rich Piana used to take his pre-workout... :D
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Are you an amateur or a Pro ?
neither, but I might try some amateur bouts once I find a new coach although it's a bit to late to start a career at 42
wish to fuck I would have started earlier as I just wasted my time doing "bodybuilding" and taking gear ::)
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The guy punches like a girl.
He should just walk away after duping the world for something like 70 to 100 million dollars.
Take a hint. You already have two cauliflower ears going.
I doubt the grey matter can take many more shots.
Float away, you fairy. ::)
He KO'd Jose Aldo in 13 seconds. He has power.
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ALdo has a chin made out of polystyrene/
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ALdo has a chin made out of polystyrene/
I think Aldo has chin. But Aldo walking into the punch.
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I agree completely, shifted. But it's easy to get confused when you're young and have people like coach who make a living telling you some magical training technique will suddenly make you a marathon man.
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Are you an amateur or a Pro ?
Welcome back! Why is che now crossed out ???
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Coach, is it even possible to take a guy that has mediocre cardio and turn him into a cardio beast if he is primarily a fast twitch strength or explosive athlete? If it can be done at all does said athlete lose their pop in the process?
I'm sure coach will go on at length about the science that makes it oh so possible, but we all know no amount or type of training is going to turn yoel Romero into Demetrius Johnson. The world is full of top professionals who had access to all the best trainers and never made the transition.
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I'm sure coach will go on at length about the science that makes it oh so possible, but we all know no amount or type of training is going to turn yoel Romero into Demetrius Johnson. The world is full of top professionals who had access to all the best trainers and never made the transition.
I'm not talking about skill. I'm talking about taking a sport that's anaerobic vs. one that's aerobic. No, I'm not going to go on at length. Not sure why you referenced to fighters in the same sport.
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why cant we have a punching machine that actually accurately measures force? i dont think it would be so hard
mount a scale on a wall and punch it, would be far more reliable than a toy punching machine :D
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I'm sure coach will go on at length about the science that makes it oh so possible, but we all know no amount or type of training is going to turn yoel Romero into Demetrius Johnson. The world is full of top professionals who had access to all the best trainers and never made the transition.
the idea that a cardio novice can become a cardio beast in a training camp (or at all) is probably as naive as the belief that celltech can give you a pro level physique if you load properly.
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Welcome back! Why is che now crossed out ???
Thank you sir
I just found out he was a communist and he didn't believe in God ,I don't like that .
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This doesn't make sense to me he is a guy that's explosive and strong with probably a lot of fast twitch muscle. He probably is physiologically incapable of developing elite endurance and even if he could it would probably come at the expense of strength. Doesn't anyone understand this? He doesn't even seem to understand it. I think he's getting a lot of smoke blown up his ass, by his advisers which is great for his confidence but terrible for his game plan. Yes he put on a respectable show, maybe better than if he was focused on a quick KO and gassed even earlier, but he gave up whatever small chance he had to win by fighting to go the distance.
Asking him to fight for 12 rounds is like asking Usain Bolt to start working on his 10k. A sport like boxing with the padded gloves further stacks the odds against him because not only does it take away his kicking, knees, elbows etc, it diminishes the effect of his one remaining tool knockout counter punching. Nevermind the fact that those judges were never going to give him a fair shot.
What a BS sport. The reason people liked Tyson is because he tried to win with explosive power instead of the ability exert medium effort for an hour and take a lot of punches. Who aspires to have those skills?
Just need to load properly with Cell-tech.
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Insulin? Are you serious?
Yes
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Just need to load properly with Cell-tech.
Conor's team probably used generic creatine monohydrate, rookie mistake.
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hAHA those punch machines in arcades are a joke, I know one twat that thinks he could hit harder than a boxer because he hit a higher score by like 4 points than the boxer who was seriously hungover and wasn't a regular drinker either hence his hangovers were worse than regular joes.
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I'm not talking about skill. I'm talking about taking a sport that's anaerobic vs. one that's aerobic. No, I'm not going to go on at length. Not sure why you referenced to fighters in the same sport.
I'm not talking about skill either. I'm talking about a guy who has brutally bad endurance (yoel) vs a guy who outpaces every opponent and never slows down (Johnson).
Mcgregors endurance isn't bad because he trains a particular way -- sure it could probably be better, but he will never be a Diaz, Johnson, Holloway, Bisping, or Cruz type of guy. He's cut from the same cloth as a Romero, Aldo, Woodley, or Chandler: power guys who have two hard rounds in the tank.
While training can always help, people who think it can solve Conors cardio problem are naive. In a fight vs a Diaz type character, he has to idle most round if he can't score a quick knockout, or he's going to gas bad. This type of opponent will always be able to work at a rate he can't match, which puts him on defense for all but ten minutes of the fight.
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I have a friend who crushes me in any sprint. He can be completely untrained and just blow me away on a 400m at a moment's notice. These days, he trains 5k and the mile. He asked me to run with him today, and I know without a shadow of a doubt keeping up with him will be a piece of cake. Hell, I could beat him on 3 mi runs when he was training regularly and I was an anorexic skeleton that couldnt beat an old lady up a flight of stairs.
One day when he was still training for track meets, I joined him for a session of five 400m reps. Between reps, we walked 400m to recover. On the first rep, he absolutely mauled me, probably finished a whole 20s earlier. But the very next rep, I beat him by 5 seconds. By the fourth, I was beating him by 10+ seconds. On the last rep, he rallied hard and I still cruised past him down the final leg, crossing the finish 20-30 m ahead.
If I never trained with this guy, I couldn't believe people varied so much. He never caught his breath during the whole workout, even though we walked for MINUTES between each rep. Just recently, we sprinted up a hill after going on a walk, probably 200m at 5% grade. He killed me, of course, but I caught my breath almost instantly and carried on conversation fluidly as we walked back to his house, probably a quarter mile away. By the time we got to his house, he was STILL breathing hard. We sat down and continued our conversation. For the next five minutes, I kid you not, his speech was broken up by big breaths, and he could only take small sips of his drink.
Similarly, he's very strong on squats, almost reaching a 2x bodyweight squat with minimal training. I only broke 2x bw one time, barely, and I trained like my life depended on it. On the flip side, I've done 135 for over 100 reps before, and I'd be willing to bet he could never even get 50.
The point is, I've seen how this guy trains -- I actually taught him how to train in the beginning -- and the intrinsic differences between us were immediately apparnet. I could train purely anaerobic while he trained purely aerobic, and we would still beat each other in the contests were intrinsically suited for. The gap between us is just beyond the limits of adaptation. And if we train for our respective strengths? The other can just forget about it; he has no chance.
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I have a friend who crushes me in any sprint. He can be completely untrained and just blow me away on a 400m at a moment's notice. These days, he trains 5k and the mile. He asked me to run with him today, and I know without a shadow of a doubt keeping up with him will be a piece of cake. Hell, I could beat him on 3 mi runs when he was training regularly and I was an anorexic skeleton that couldnt beat an old lady up a flight of stairs.
One day when he was still training for track meets, I joined him for a session of five 400m reps. Between reps, we walked 400m to recover. On the first rep, he absolutely mauled me, probably finished a whole 20s earlier. But the very next rep, I beat him by 5 seconds. By the fourth, I was beating him by 10+ seconds every time. On the last rep, he rallied hard and I still cruised past him down the final leg, crossing the finish 20-30 m ahead.
If I never trained with this guy, I couldn't believe people varied so much. He never caught his breath during the whole workout, even though we walked for MINUTES between each rep. Just recently, we sprinted up a hill after going on a walk, probably 200m at 5% grade. He killed me, of course, but I caught my breath almost instantly and carried on conversation fluidly as we walked back to his house, probably a quarter mile away. By the time we got to his house, he was STILL breathing hard. We sat down and continued our conversation. For the next five minutes, I kid you not, his speech was broken up by big breaths, and he could only take small sips of his drink.
Similarly, he's very strong on squats, almost reaching a 2x bodyweight squat with minimal training. I only broke 2x bw one time, barely, and I trained like my life depended on it. On the flip side, I've done 135 for over 100 reps before, and I'd be willing to bet he could never even get 50.
The point is, I've seen how this guy trains -- I actually taught him how to train in the beginning -- and it was apparent almost immediately that we have intrinsic differences that determine what were capable of. I could train purely anaerobic while he trained purely aerobic, and we would still beat each other in the contests were intrinsically suited for -- the gap between us is just beyond the limits of adaptation. And if we train for our respective strengths? The other can just forget about it; he has no chance.
This is all well and good but has your friend ever tried running on an underwater treadmill with video gait anaylsis and 5+ well paid entourage members cheering him on?
For sports genetics really is destiny. At a very granular level too, look at Connor's internal shoulder rotation and hypertrophied delts. Is that really the result of training or just a genetic predisposition that pushes him toward striking
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This is all well and good but has your friend ever tried running on an underwater treadmill with video gait anaylsis and 5+ well paid entourage members cheering him on?
For sports genetics really is destiny. At a very granular level too, look at Connor's internal shoulder rotation and hypertrophied delts. Is that really the result of training or just a genetic predisposition that pushes him toward striking
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Yeah I noticed that about conor's shoulders as well. I always wondered what would happen if he met Kelly Starrett in a hallway. I can only imagine the convoluted explanation Kelly would dream up to explain why Conor needn't change a thing, no doubt claiming his rotated shoulders are some sport-specific adaptation to be admired from a distance, but never emulated by the laity.
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His gas-tank is fine, at least for MMA... The boxing's match was WWE, McGregor was pulling his punches, and Mayweather clowning around... McGregor's power is ok, he'll never punch like a boxer, he doesn't have the technique and years of conditioning, plus different gloves... There's really no difference in terms of impact and force between the boxing's and MMA's gloves, but with MMA ones you can get away with being less accurate and with not sitting down on your punches properly, your opponent can't cover up like in boxing, and the knuckles are much easier to connect...
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Yeah I noticed that about conor's shoulders as well. I always wondered what would happen if he met Kelly Starrett in a hallway. I can only imagine the convoluted explanation Kelly would dream up to explain why Conor needn't change a thing, no doubt claiming his rotated shoulders are some sport-specific adaptation to be admired from a distance, but never emulated by the laity.
One of his "trainers" is Ido Portal who is a fairly knowledgeable bodyweight strength guy who used to hang out on the gymnastics bodies forum. I would think Ido is knowledgeable enough about fast twitch and slow twitch muscle to figure out that Connor was never going to become a cardio phenom. I wonder if he gets consulted on stuff like that. Maybe he doesn't know any better and he's one of these idiots who believes in infinite human potential, or the number one rule of MacGregor camp is no one tell Conor he can't do something. Ido is the "touch butt" guy:
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Gas or no gas, he had no chance of winning this fight, ever. He knew this, Floyd knew this and anyone with an elementary knowledge of boxing knew this. This all is of course completely irrelevant as he walked away with the biggest pay day of his career which also dwarfed any previous MMA fighters payday by at least 20 fold.
Training? who gives a fuck, he got paid 100+ million for 30 minutes of "work". Something none of us will ever even dream of.
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Gas or no gas, he had no chance of winning this fight, ever. He knew this, Floyd knew this and anyone with an elementary knowledge of boxing knew this. This all is of course completely irrelevant as he walked away with the biggest pay day of his career which also dwarfed any previous MMA fighters payday by at least 20 fold.
Training? who gives a fuck, he got paid 100+ million for 30 minutes of "work". Something none of us will ever even dream of.
He hit floyd quite a bit in the early rounds, if he was focused on ending the fight before he gassed he would have had a chance. Winning would have put him in an even higher echelon of pop culture, MJ tier (Jackson, Jordan), maybe even higher because he can self-promote.
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I was all a stage. Mayweather played him until he saw Connor was too tired to do anything.