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Is he calling Chad a murderer? He's going to get his ass sued or beat?
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His exclusive interview on the history of bodybuilding? Is he trying to start up his own thing, or is he already with another outlet?
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milos already called chad out, back in 2003. nothing new here.
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Let the games begin
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milos already called chad out, back in 2003. nothing new here.
1) Milos has always tried to say he is the one that showed me how to use the insulin. Complete b.s. - back in '94, I believe - it was a long time ago - we were at a contest and Milos and I sat down and talked about the insulin and he gave me his take on how he used it. However, this wasn't the first time I had talked to anyone about insulin - it was probably one of a handful of conversations I had with various people that year on the subject. My two primary conversations were with physician friends of mine and this is where all of my knowledge on the subject came from - that and trial and error. Yes, I listened to what Milos had to say, but never implemented anything. He only had one area in the entire insulin program right - and that was the time period of when to eat after the insulin - which had previously been printed in Muscle Media 2000 the month before.
2) Supposedly, all of this information came from his sister, who is a doctor, but in a conversation with Dan Duchaine, who is the one that set up the program for Muscle Media 2000 (identical to the one Milos had), he had told me that he and Muscle Media were the ones who gave Milos his information. Now, I have no way of confirming this - I only know that Milos was friends with the "Muscle Media Crew" at the time.
3) The great insulin plan by Milos taught me everything NOT to do with insulin. So, I do need to thank him there. So, I'll give you a quick rundown on his plan - his primary thought is to take the insulin 3 times a day, 5 days a week. This will give you great result if you are trying to become a self-induced diabetic. As well, after 3-4 weeks of this, the insulin stops responding in the body - the scary thing is that you can actually take insulin at this point and NOT eat - and nothing will happen to you.
4) Milos also, at the time, was talking of taking "G" in the morning WITH the insulin. I had heard he has changed his train of thought concerning this - but obviously, this is the worst time to take G!
5) In terms of using dextrose with the insulin, yes it will cover the insulin - but this is all it will do. It's through the system entirely too fast to get any kind of carbing up benefit from, and one of the primary purposes of carbing up with insulin is to glycogen load the muscle. Dextrose is so fast that you will more likely than not have a "spill over". Unfortunately, you can see this in a lot of his athletes. I prefer simple sugar carbs, to be a little more specific - fruits. You get the same benefit, but they are slower through the system and the loading factor is tremendously better.
6) Obviously, by now, you should be able to tell that Milos and I are at opposite ends of the table on how we feel about insulin and how it should be used. Every person's makeup is so different, so it is hard to just say here's a plan - use it - but here's a quick rundown of a plan that hits pretty close for most people: You should never use insulin more than twice weekly. Possibly once every three (3) days would be the most and I've only seen a couple of people who would actually need to use it that much. You would have to have a crazy metabolism to do that. Most people take it once a week and this is on Wednesday - and take it 3 times that day - once every 6 hours. I also prefer Humulin R and I believe Milos prefers Humulog. Here again, I believe Humulog is much too fast, and you risk the chance of a spill over. --Obviously, this is ONLY in the off-season and I never have athletes diet on insulin - I think Millos' belief on this is different.
I want to make it perfectly clear that Milos, as a person, I actually like, but his beliefs for the most part, I don't agree with. And, in turn, I'm aware that he doesn't agree with a lot of my theories - but everyone has their opinions and are entitled to that. Now that I have used your question to "Vent", I hope you have found your answer.
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Shawn Ray definitely needs to do a tell all, regarding the darkside and behind the scenes of bodybuilding. There is no company that will hire him as a journalist at this point, seems like the majority of people in this sport hate him. He's been in the sport for a long time on stage and reporting it, a tell all would be a good move. Especially since we never got to see Nassers book come to print.
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Shawn Ray definitely needs to do a tell all, regarding the darkside and behind the scenes of bodybuilding. There is no company that will hire him as a journalist at this point, seems like the majority of people in this sport hate him. He's been in the sport for a long time on stage and reporting it, a tell all would be a good move. Especially since we never got to see Nassers book come to print.
Because it never existed. Like pretty much everything about the guy's life, it was fiction. Shawn Ray was always the first to call the beautiful man with glasses out on his endless semi-anonymous libeling of his former co-competitors across endless articles and threads when it got brought up. For a guy reputed to be overly nice to people, Nasser was a real asshole to other bodybuilders and the industry in general. Total sore loser.
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Because it never existed. Like pretty much everything about the guy's life, it was fiction. Shawn Ray was always the first to call the beautiful man with glasses out on his endless semi-anonymous libeling of his former co-competitors across endless articles and threads when it got brought up. For a guy reputed to be overly nice to people, Nasser was a real asshole to other bodybuilders and the industry in general. Total sore loser.
I agree, it seemed like he hated most of the guys he competed against, just kind of looked like a dick, but it did seem he genuinely liked normal people and fans. Regardless if his stories were 100% true or embellished they were definitely entertaining and hilarious.
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I agree, it seemed like he hated most of the guys he competed against, just kind of looked like a dick, but it did seem he genuinely liked normal people and fans. Regardless if his stories were 100% true or embellished they were definitely entertaining and hilarious.
Right, I heard he was nice to the point of being obsessive - like offering people rides to the airport, buying them gifts, setting up socially awkward guys with girls he'd talk to, shit like that. But totally different when interviewing about bodybuilding...he trashed a lot of people, unfairly, just because he didn't place as well as the American BBers. The fact is he had some flaws that kept him from beating Dorian and Ronnie was just unbeatable. Then the obvious synthol abuse that he denied etc.
The ones he said the most about were Milos and Andreas Munzer's former gym owner, which both took up multi-part articles on bodybuilding.com that are still searchable...good reads.
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Shawn quit MD because he didn't like the coment that Ron Harris made about a LHW at the north american, a guy named Lamar.
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Shawn quit MD because he didn't like the coment that Ron Harris made about a LHW at the north american, a guy named Lamar.
Go on...
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Right, I heard he was nice to the point of being obsessive - like offering people rides to the airport, buying them gifts, setting up socially awkward guys with girls he'd talk to, shit like that. But totally different when interviewing about bodybuilding...he trashed a lot of people, unfairly, just because he didn't place as well as the American BBers. The fact is he had some flaws that kept him from beating Dorian and Ronnie was just unbeatable. Then the obvious synthol abuse that he denied etc.
The ones he said the most about were Milos and Andreas Munzer's former gym owner, which both took up multi-part articles on bodybuilding.com that are still searchable...good reads.
Shawn Ray used Synthol? That's the first time hearing that one.
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Go on...
Now Ron says he was joking. Who really knows.
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4) Milos also, at the time, was talking of taking "G" in the morning WITH the insulin. I had heard he has changed his train of thought concerning this - but obviously, this is the worst time to take G!
Taking G with insulin sounds really dangerous
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good thread - keep it going - thanks
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I said it in the McCarver thread, if someone hired a "guru"and something happens (like someone dies) first line of questioning goes to the "guru".
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Shawn Ray used Synthol? That's the first time hearing that one.
We weren't discussing Shawn. He'd never sink to SEO like Nasser did.
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Taking G with insulin sounds really dangerous
that 'G' is growth hormone?
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Now Ron says he was joking. Who really knows.
Cut and paste?
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that 'G' is growth hormone?
You would hope so
Except "G" often refers to GHB
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You would hope so
Except "G" often refers to GHB
Yes yes. G is ghb not gh. Very common in the industry back then. Dont really know now though.
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Shawn's just trying to make headlines and stay relevant since he's got no job
probably right in a sense though
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WTF is Chad gonna do about it??? take him to court? Excuse me your honor but this man accused me of being a murderer...Judge: what is your claimed profession? Chad: "IFBB GURU ie. Drug Dealer" ok den......
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I said it in the McCarver thread, if someone hired a "guru"and something happens (like someone dies) first line of questioning goes to the "guru".
No, it doesn't. It goes to the bodybuilder who hired the trainer.
The bodybuilder chose to hire the trainer; the bodybuilder chose to stick the drugs into their body.
They could have easily rejected the trainers advice. They didn't.
Personal responsibility doesn't come to a halt because the person hired a personal trainer. ::) ::)
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No, it doesn't. It goes to the bodybuilder who hired the trainer.
The bodybuilder chose to hire the trainer; the bodybuilder chose to stick the drugs into their body.
They could have easily rejected the trainers advice. They didn't.
Personal responsibility doesn't come to a halt because the person hired a personal trainer. ::) ::)
That's not how law enforcement works in the Western world. A bar owner now gets charged & sued as well if some fuckface drives into an SUV or a telephone pole after getting wasted at his bar. Some butt ranger gets a fellow shit chaser charged with assault if he spreads his gaping hole for ramming and gets a chronic disease in the process. In some states a guy gets charged with murder for shooting another guy running away from him on his lawn after stealing his valuables. The smack dealer who sold Seymour Hoffman his last hit gets charged with contributing to his murder. And in a landmark case a couple of years ago a gun manufacturer was successfully sued for making the gun some schmoe when on a shooting spree with.
Welcome to Obama's new vision of a fair & just society where no one has to take accountability for anything.
The gurus will get charged, trust me.
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No, it doesn't. It goes to the bodybuilder who hired the trainer.
The bodybuilder chose to hire the trainer; the bodybuilder chose to stick the drugs into their body.
They could have easily rejected the trainers advice. They didn't.
Personal responsibility doesn't come to a halt because the person hired a personal trainer. ::) ::)
I would wager that most pros take a bit more than the guru advises anyway...
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Since Shawn Ray is too lazy to make a comeback, in order to make himself relevant again, he plays this stunt. Nothing new to see here.
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If Shawn is so concerned with the health of today's competitors; he should just turn his back on bodybuilding entirely. Everybody in this sport will do things that will compromise their health. Most guys never come off... and they have been on drugs their entire adult lives.
At this point, Dexter Jackson has been on drugs for 20 years straight.
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If Shawn is so concerned with the health of today's competitors; he should just turn his back on bodybuilding entirely. Everybody in this sport will do things that will compromise their health. Most guys never come off... and they have been on drugs their entire adult lives.
At this point, Dexter Jackson has been on drugs for 20 years straight.
Shit Dexter prob 25-30 easily haha
That's a hell of a commitment to the syringe
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No, it doesn't. It goes to the bodybuilder who hired the trainer.
The bodybuilder chose to hire the trainer; the bodybuilder chose to stick the drugs into their body.
They could have easily rejected the trainers advice. They didn't.
Personal responsibility doesn't come to a halt because the person hired a personal trainer. ::) ::)
Michael Jacksons private doctor went on trial
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Michael Jacksons private doctor went on trial
As I've said to Coach, I'll concede my point if the same, or roughly the same, ethical code that applies to doctors also apply to personal trainers. I wouldn't be surprised if these personal trainers draw up a contract alleviating them of all liability. For the most part, you can't do that as a medical professional--they are bound by a code of ethics.
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As I've said to Coach, I'll concede my point if the same, or roughly the same, ethical code that applies to doctors also apply to personal trainers. I wouldn't be surprised if these personal trainers draw up a contract alleviating them of all liability. For the most part, you can't do that as a medical professional--they are bound by a code of ethics.
Well a doctor can legally prescribe you medication, a bodybuilder guru can't, so I'd expect you're correct
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Since Shawn Ray is too lazy to make a comeback, in order to make himself relevant again, he plays this stunt. Nothing new to see here.
Lazy or wise ?
Would you put your kidneys,liver, heart, joints under stress in your 50's to go on stage looking like a shadow of your former self and be beaten by a bunch of nobodies ??? Will you ? WILL YOU ???
WoooSHHHHHHHH IT IS LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Lazy or wise ?
Would you put your kidneys,liver, heart, joints under stress in your 50's to go on stage looking like a shadow of your former self and be beaten by a bunch of nobodies ??? Will you ? WILL YOU ???
WoooSHHHHHHHH IT IS LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I wouldn't now at 40yo.
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Well a doctor can legally prescribe you medication, a bodybuilder guru can't, so I'd expect you're correct
I've actually did a quick google search to see if there was an organization that discussed code of ethics by personal trainers. Usually, there is an overarching, large organization that oversees a particular profession. For example, the American Medical Association oversees all ethics regarding doctors. However, it does not seem like there is ONE overarching, large organization that oversees personal trainers.
I did find this code of ethic under the National Council of Strength and Fitness.
II. Trainer Conduct and Practice
1. The trainer should recognize the boundaries of his or her particular competencies and expertise, and provide only those services and use only those techniques for which he or she is qualified by education, training, or experience.
Thus, if a personal trainer provided a client with steroids, in which they are obviously not qualified to provide steroids to clients, then perhaps the client will have a lawsuit or the personal trainer would be held responsible.
But, it seems like different organizations have different code of ethics.
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The experimental Doctor in Auchwitz went on trial
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The experimental Doctor in Auchwitz went on trial
He actually evaded capture and died on the beach, a free man at 67. LOL.
(http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/josef-mengele-with-family.jpg)
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GHB induces growth hormone release so it was taken by bodybuilders together with insulin to maximize growth. It also releases massive anxiety brought on by large doses of trenbolone.
The only problem is that most of these individuals would not understand the mechanism and correlation amongst various hormones to use them to the full potential.
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He actually evaded capture and died on the beach, a free man at 67. LOL.
(http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/josef-mengele-with-family.jpg)
Wiesenthal came close to snatching that Nazi son of a bitch though.
I can't imagine what the Mosad would've done to him... For all we know he was murdered in cold blood.
Legend has it that, right after WWII, all the Nazis used to get together in some remote farm in Paraguay, still wearing their Nazi uniforms and all, party for a day or two and then disappear.
Legend has it the OSS (CIA) was aware of this and did diddley shit about it.
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While the Mossad did engage in questionably legal tactics like mailing bombs to suspected Nazi addresses or kidnapping others, the way they treated Adolf Eichmann was probably the official Israeli policy of Nazi hunting. He was basically the architect of the concentration camp system and much higher up the food chain than Mengele. They bundled him into a truck in Buenos Aires and flew him back to Israel, put him on trial, and executed him. He even had time to write his memoirs in jail. I'd say they would've done the same to Mengele, probably.
He did have a lot of help from his well-off family in Germany, otherwise he'd have gone broke and been caught pretty early on. The governments of Paraguay and Brazil also turned a blind eye to requests for his extradition, although Argentina did put out a warrant for him (he'd left already). This was the 40s-70s...today he couldn't just disappear like that.
Klaus Barbie made it until 1987 when Bolivia gave him up, and apparently even visited the United States once or twice for tourism. Crazy.
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Why does Shawn Ray had such a big hard on for Dallas McCarver
Shawn Ray had a lengthy career with but only 2 pro wins. Shawn's main claim to fame was his impressive streak of top 5 olympia finishes. His other great claim was that he was the youngest amateur to turn pro. 20+ year later, Dallas breaks that record and takes away one of Shawn's precious bragging rights..
In every criticism of Dallas, Shawn somehow ends up talking up himself and how much better he was at that age. Shawn Ray's insecurity is fairly representative of most bodybuilders, but unlike the others Shawn can't keep his mouth shut.
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He's Shawn Ray. He's always been critical of every other bodybuilder.
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Who's Dallas McCarver ? I would like to meet this guy.
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Shane Dimora was the youngest IFBB pro ever at 19 and Shawn is a bitter douche who actually posted this on here in reference to the 94 Olympia , yet in almost every interview he's constantly bringing up how he should have won ::)
He's a failure as a professional bodybuilder 2 wins in 13 years as a pro ::) Wow he was consistent ::) so was Lee Labrada so was a ton of other guys.
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Shawn Ray had a lengthy career with but only 2 pro wins.
Shawn's main claim to fame was his impressive streak of top 5 olympia finishes.
His other great claim was that he was the youngest amateur to turn pro.
20+ year later, Dallas breaks that record and takes away one of Shawn's precious bragging rights..
In every criticism of Dallas, Shawn somehow ends up talking up himself and how much better he was at that age.
Shawn Ray's insecurity is fairly representative of most bodybuilders, but unlike the others Shawn can't keep his mouth shut.
More bodybuilders need to be as outspoken as Shawn. The two most outspoken were Shawn and Lee (oddly they can't stand each other).
If more bodybuilders spoke out, things may slowly change. Instead of keeping the status quo, and keeping their mouths shut and being what the higher ups want---obedient muscle.
And let's face it, aesthetically, Dallas couldn't touch Shawn.
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More bodybuilders need to be as outspoken as Shawn. The two most outspoken were Shawn and Lee (oddly they can't stand each other).
If more bodybuilders spoke out, things may slowly change. Instead of keeping the status quo, and keeping their mouths shut and being what the higher ups want---obedient muscle.
And let's face it, aesthetically, Dallas couldn't touch Shawn.
Shawn's been squawking since the 80s , what has he changed? ???
Dallas' physique pales in comparison to Shawns , however he tied Shawn in pro wins and much sooner than Shawn managed.
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True but against what competition?
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Shawn's been squawking since the 80s , what has he changed? ???
Dallas' physique pales in comparison to Shawns , however he tied Shawn in pro wins and much sooner than Shawn managed.
Yep. Shawn has always been known for this. He is consistent. I think he has a problem with the man behind Dallas, which is Chad. He's had beef with him since the late 90s.
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Who's Dallas McCarver ? I would like to meet this guy.
Too soon
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Everyone attracted to bodybuilding has some issues or we wouldn't do this.
You guys don't what to look for.
Insecurity is certainly not Shawn Ray's problem.
He's different that all the rest because he is one of the few that is truly confident and doesn't give a fuck.
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lol. I was hoping to start a new getbig legend like room 8 (by the ice machine).
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Shawn Ray was outspoken indeed. Some of his rants against Wayne Demililia at the Mr. Olympia press conferences were legendary and admirable.
Though, I fail to fathom the prudence of constantly making comparisons to himself when assessing another bodybuilder.
It only seemed to galvanize the stigamatism that bodybuilders are self centered and insecure.
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Shawn Ray was outspoken indeed. Some of his rants against Wayne Demililia at the Mr. Olympia press conferences were legendary and admirable.
Though, I fail to fathom the prudence of constantly making comparisons to himself when assessing another bodybuilder.
It only seemed to galvanize the stigamatism that bodybuilders are self centered and insecure.
Shawn is the textbook definition of overrated. Let me preface this by saying he had an EXCEPTIONAL physique he usually came in spot on he gets credit for doing well despite his shortcomings but juxtapose him in comparison to Lee Labrada both before retirement & post. Lee is successful you NEVER see him badmouthing anyone , not crying about how he was shafted and he should have beaten so-and-so , This is why Lee is 20 times the bodybuilder & man Shawn is.
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Who's Dallas McCarver ? I would like to meet this guy.
Better get a shovel.