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Title: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: loco on September 11, 2017, 09:16:57 AM
When Irma hit Miami, police told residents to stay home and that the police couldn't get to them if they needed help.  Miami is a very dangerous place.

What happens if criminals, knowing this, start breaking into homes to steal your food, water, medicine, and to rape your women?  You can't count on the police, and you have no guns to defend your family, your stuff and yourself.  What's your plan in that situation?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: SF1900 on September 11, 2017, 09:24:58 AM
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Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: calfzilla on September 11, 2017, 09:58:50 AM
getbiggers hands and feet are lethal weapons. A getbigger can single handedly take out an entire crew of criminals.

The front double bicep and rear lat spread are also effective weapons.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on September 11, 2017, 10:37:16 AM
When you need help in seconds, the police are only minutes away.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: stuntmovie on September 11, 2017, 10:43:12 AM
I've carried a 45 on my hip for the majority of my adult lifetime and would do so again under similar Florida circumstances.

Serious question for you looting experts ......

What does the law have to say about shutting looters? I assume each state is different.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 10:43:41 AM
In such a situation I've found people can be very rational. So I would TACTFULLY explain to them why it was poor planing as well as bad life choices that put them in this situation and then politely ask that they stop trespassing.

The odds suggest that the looting was a drastic measure, as the foot locker has been open for years and the employees their should be unarmed, and 90% of the time there is not an issue.

#lessguns
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Darren Avey on September 11, 2017, 10:44:22 AM
If I lived in Miami id simply show my tribal tattoos and tap out clothing and no one would dare mess, even the hurricane would steer clear of me
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
In such a situation I've found people can be very rational. So I would TACTFULLY explain to them why it was poor planing as well as bad life choices that put them in this situation and then politely ask that they stop trespassing.

The odds suggest that the looting was a drastic measure, as the foot locker has been open for years and the employees their should be unarmed, and 90% of the time there is not an issue.

#lessguns
Are you really serious?
If so, you need to get a better understanding of how crime works.
How the fuck are you going to TACTFULLY explain anything to somebody trying to do you harm?
What if you came in the house and a man had just shot and killed your wife and he's now in the bedroom attacking your daughter?
He's got a gun and has already killed your wife.
Gotta fight fire with fire.

Here in Vegas JUST LAST NIGHT a clerk at 711 shot and killed a man trying to harm him.
Good for him!
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/man-killed-in-shooting-at-eastside-convenience-store/808872051

I ccw 999% of the day.
Fuck that.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 11:30:03 AM
Are you really serious?
If so, you need to get a better understanding of how crime works.
How the fuck are you going to TACTFULLY explain anything to somebody trying to do you harm?
What if you came in the house and a man had just shot and killed your wife and he's now in the bedroom attacking your daughter?
He's got a gun and has already killed your wife.
Gotta fight fire with fire.

Here in Vegas JUST LAST NIGHT a clerk at 711 shot and killed a man trying to harm him.
Good for him!
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/man-killed-in-shooting-at-eastside-convenience-store/808872051

I ccw 999% of the day.
Fuck that.
Im pretty sure Dave is like me, we have a certain presence about us that people simply do not approach us to cause harm, they see us and decide to go and chose an easier target.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 11:36:15 AM
how about installing a door?

ive found that very helpful keeping people out.

Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 11:48:01 AM
Im pretty sure Dave is like me, we have a certain presence about us that people simply do not approach us to cause harm, they see us and decide to go and chose an easier target.
So u guys don't worry about that tweeker at 3 am who's not thinking rationally and is not scared of you cuz he just hot railed a half inch thick line of speed?
I'm big too..and he scares the fuck out of me.
Luckily my Sig 40 cal isn't scared of him.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 11:54:05 AM
Im pretty sure Dave is like me, we have a certain presence about us that people simply do not approach us to cause harm, they see us and decide to go and chose an easier target.

This is correct and eloquently stated. I'm a little surprised how board of bodybuilding enthusiasts don't understand this.
So u guys don't worry about that tweeker at 3 am who's not thinking rationally and is not scared of you cuz he just hot railed a half inch thick line of speed?
I'm big too..and he scares the fuck out of me.
Luckily my Sig 40 cal isn't scared of him.

By the sounds of it Rangerwill, and i mean no offense when I say this, we are probably not hanging out at the same places at 3 am.

It isn't always about size my friend.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 12:00:37 PM
No offense taken.
But sometimes crimes finds YOU.
{home invasion--random acts of violence}

How would u handle that situation I outlined earlier?
You walk in and find your wife shot dead and the killer is there attacking your daughter.
He's got a gun and clearly will use it.
What do you do without a gun?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 12:02:56 PM
No offense taken.
But sometimes crimes finds YOU.
{home invasion--random acts of violence}

How would u handle that situation I outlined earlier?
You walk in and find your wife shot dead and the killer is there attacking your daughter.
He's got a gun and clearly will use it.
What do you do without a gun?

Run.

Then when I reached a safe place I'd call the authorities.

A bigger fear would be I find a man in bed with my wife and daughter (consensually of course) and I do have a gun readily available.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: calfzilla on September 11, 2017, 12:04:54 PM
No offense taken.
But sometimes crimes finds YOU.
{home invasion--random acts of violence}

How would u handle that situation I outlined earlier?
You walk in and find your wife shot dead and the killer is there attacking your daughter.
He's got a gun and clearly will use it.
What do you do without a gun?

I think they live in euro twink countries where even the police don't have guns so it's kind of a moot point to them. All they can do is hope for the best and like Be There said you make sure you don't look like an easy victim. And yes criminals sometimes don't think too logically and say I shouldn't fuck with this big guy, so there is always a slight chance of an attack regardless of who you are.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
Run.

Then when I reached a safe place I'd call the authorities.


You would leave your daughter there to surely be killed?
WOW.
Even if I didn't have a gun, I'd HAVE to do something.
Maybe I'd get shot and killed too--who knows.
But the absolute L A S T thing I'm going to do is retreat and wait for somebody else to come save her.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
So u guys don't worry about that tweeker at 3 am who's not thinking rationally and is not scared of you cuz he just hot railed a half inch thick line of speed?
I'm big too..and he scares the fuck out of me.
Luckily my Sig 40 cal isn't scared of him.
Size has nothing to do with not appearing to be a victim.

And I don't frequent places at 3am where tweekers may turn up.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 12:24:12 PM
Again...sometimes violence finds you.
^^Address that^^
http://kfor.com/2017/09/08/two-people-shot-during-violent-home-invasion-in-southwest-oklahoma-city/
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 12:29:57 PM
Again...sometimes violence finds you.
^^Address that^^
http://kfor.com/2017/09/08/two-people-shot-during-violent-home-invasion-in-southwest-oklahoma-city/

How do you know the victims were not gun owners?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
That's a silly argument.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 12:43:28 PM
That's a silly argument.


really why, the robbers kicked down their door and dragged them into the living room and shot them,, maybe they couldn't get to their guns.

Oh, and you are a gun owner, have you ever shot anyone?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: residue on September 11, 2017, 12:45:25 PM
When Irma hit Miami, police told residents to stay home and that the police couldn't get to them if they needed help.  Miami is a very dangerous place.

What happens if criminals, knowing this, start breaking into homes to steal your food, water, medicine, and to rape your women?  You can't count on the police, and you have no guns to defend your family, your stuff and yourself.  What's your plan in that situation?

why do you include women on a list of possessions? are you a muzzie
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: residue on September 11, 2017, 12:46:19 PM
So u guys don't worry about that tweeker at 3 am who's not thinking rationally and is not scared of you cuz he just hot railed a half inch thick line of speed?
I'm big too..and he scares the fuck out of me.
Luckily my Sig 40 cal isn't scared of him.

line of speed? is an early 90's investment banker after me
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 12:47:07 PM
really why, the robbers kicked down their door and dragged them into the living room and shot them,, maybe they couldn't get to their guns.

Oh, and you are a gun owner, have you ever shot anyone?

Pssst you're wasting your breath on a gimmick
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 12:47:42 PM
Pssst you're wasting your breath on my gimmick

fixed  ;)
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on September 11, 2017, 12:49:19 PM
The problem in America is that there are so many guns already in the hands of bad guys that you have no choice but to own one yourself or else you're at a disadvantage.  It's doesn't have to be just a major disaster.  There is an almost certain chance that if someone is choosing to rob you that they already have a gun on them.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 12:49:35 PM
fixed  ;)

I already admitted that!
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 12:50:31 PM
why is this gay guy talking about having a daugther? did he skip biology class?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 12:51:51 PM
why is this gay guy talking about having a daugther? did he skip biology class?

LOL
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
Oh God....
Poodle's here to fuck this thread up too.
What does me being gay have to do with owning firearms?

Oh well..its' getbig
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 12:53:17 PM
how about not having a daughter? i think thats the best strategy, what doesnt exist doesnt need protection.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 12:59:35 PM
You would leave your daughter there to surely be killed?
WOW.
Even if I didn't have a gun, I'd HAVE to do something.
Maybe I'd get shot and killed too--who knows.
But the absolute L A S T thing I'm going to do is retreat and wait for somebody else to come save her.

And people on this site think I'm dumb because I believe in God yet you're coming up with a real fairy tail scenario.


You supposedly own a gun and I'm assuming this is legal and of course I would hope you have a concealed weapons permit.

If this is the case then you'd know that if someone draws a gun out before you do..... statistically  its to late.  

This is one of the first lessons in a concealed weapons class.

So in this situation by the time I realize what's going on I've been shot dead in front of my family while they're still being raped.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 01:00:38 PM
how about not having a daughter? i think thats the best strategy, what doesnt exist doesnt need protection.

Might as well turn gay wth that sort of defeatist attitude
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 01:01:00 PM
you got it wrong.

its like those western movies.

the bad guy loses because he's not as quick on the draw as the good guy. trust me on this.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 01:01:34 PM
Might as well turn gay wth that sort of defeatist attitude

what if you turn gay and there's a home invasion by a gay burglar
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 01:03:10 PM
what if you turn gay and there's a home invasion by a gay burglar

Then it's your lucky fucking day! Not only do you not get robbed, you get to have sex with another degenerate!

You'd also hope very firmly that he had aids, because, you know, gays use that as a badge of honor.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
rangerwil "i was watching the news about this gay burlgar in my hood... i accidentely left the front door open... silly me and i forgot to load my gun too, oops!"
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: loco on September 11, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
why do you include women on a list of possessions? are you a muzzie

A muzzie?  Nah, just a Mormon.

LOL...just kidding.  I'm neither.  Women fall under family on my list.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
just another good reason to be homeless... never need to worry about someone breaking into your house.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 01:12:52 PM
just another good reason to be homeless... never need to worry about someone breaking into your house.

Good point.

This website is always complaining about over population and now that people are being systematically removed people still find a reason to complain.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
why do you include women on a list of possessions? are you a muzzie

Soon we'll all be muzzies brah.

And yes my eventual wife will be my property.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 01:17:24 PM
really why, the robbers kicked down their door and dragged them into the living room and shot them,, maybe they couldn't get to their guns.

Oh, and you are a gun owner, have you ever shot anyone?

aj ran away from this one, lots of gung ho gun owners would lose their shit if they ever had to point one at someone...
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 11, 2017, 01:19:20 PM
In my opinion, with the world being in the shape it's in, every man should own a gun, be trained to fight with it, and carry at all times.

"Women and children can be careless, but not men" -Vito Corleone
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 01:20:36 PM
when you hear someoen breaking into your house thats a traumatic experience

you should have the right to have a gun so you could shoot yourself at that point.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 01:21:06 PM
In my opinion, with the world being in the shape it's in, every man should own a gun, be trained to fight with it, and carry at all times.

"Women and children can be careless, but not men" -Vito Corleone

WHAT ABOUT RETARDED MEN?

WHAT ABOUT EX -FELONS?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 01:21:48 PM
retarded men have retarded strength and need no guns

Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 01:25:53 PM
WHAT ABOUT RETARDED MENTALLY CHALLENGED MEN?

WHAT ABOUT EX -FELONS?

Fixed
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 01:26:52 PM
And people on this site think I'm dumb because I believe in God yet you're coming up with a real fairy tail scenario.
Fairy tale? Are you saying that it would never happen? Even if it's unlikely---its still a possibility.
Doesn't have to be as extreme as I said but home invasions happy EVERY SINGLE DAY

"*An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on
average from 2003 to 2007.

*A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries
and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.  

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

You supposedly own a gun and I'm assuming this is legal and of course I would hope you have a concealed weapons permit.

If this is the case then you'd know that if someone draws a gun out before you do..... statistically  its to late.  

This is one of the first lessons in a concealed weapons class.

As i said in my first post I ccw..so yes, it's legal.
I dont know WHERE on earth you got that it was the first lesson taught in the training that it's too late once somebody pulls a gun on you.
That is simply a LIE.
Sure--chances are it's not going to end well for one or both of you.
But NOWHERE in the training so they say the fight is OVER.
You made that up.
I'm not leaving my daughter or loved one to deal with an armed attacker.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Disgusted on September 11, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
For the love of God!! Someone breaks into my home I shoot them, the end.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
For the love of God!! Someone breaks into my home I shoot them, the end.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 01:30:47 PM
All these anti-gun nuts...
Every time I pose that scenario to them I never get a valid response.
Nobody wants a gun..until you NEED a fucking gun.
Sometimes it's the only answer.
Violence= Violence.
I'm gonna die trying to save my loved ones.
I'm not running for shit.
I wouldnt want a dad that is not willing to take a bullet for me.
I'd want a dad that had the common fucken sense to realize that you cant talk your way out of violence.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
^ did you not have a dad growing up?

Maybe you're like the slutty girls with daddy issues... always starved for sex with men.

Hmm...
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 01:36:40 PM
I'm not leaving my daughter or loved one to deal with an armed attacker.



Oh i see.

Now i know why you turned gay!

Fake homo is too much of a pussy to have kids
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 01:40:58 PM
Poodle...can you NOT be annoying for even just a little bit?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: residue on September 11, 2017, 01:54:33 PM
Fairy tale? Are you saying that it would never happen? Even if it's unlikely---its still a possibility.
Doesn't have to be as extreme as I said but home invasions happy EVERY SINGLE DAY

"*An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on
average from 2003 to 2007.

*A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries
and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.  

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
As i said in my first post I ccw..so yes, it's legal.
I dont know WHERE on earth you got that it was the first lesson taught in the training that it's too late once somebody pulls a gun on you.
That is simply a LIE.
Sure--chances are it's not going to end well for one or both of you.
But NOWHERE in the training so they say the fight is OVER.
You made that up.
I'm not leaving my daughter or loved one to deal with an armed attacker.

you forgot to mention some key points

Offenders were known to their victims in 65% of violent
burglaries

Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence occurred
during a burglary while a resident was present.

Households composed of married couples without children
experienced the lowest rates of both types of burglary

Households with a white head of household were somewhat less
likely than those with a black head of household to experience
a burglary while a household member was present.

Higher income households experienced lower rates of burglary

don't be poor and black + dont know any poor black folks and you'll probably be fine
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Kwon on September 11, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
(https://i.redd.it/b1l6n0xe0b7y.png)

Now compare the countries.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 02:03:41 PM
Exactly.


have you ever pointed a gun at someone let alone shot anyone?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 02:09:17 PM
Fairy tale? Are you saying that it would never happen? Even if it's unlikely---its still a possibility.
Doesn't have to be as extreme as I said but home invasions happy EVERY SINGLE DAY

"*An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on
average from 2003 to 2007.

*A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries
and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.  

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
As i said in my first post I ccw..so yes, it's legal.
I dont know WHERE on earth you got that it was the first lesson taught in the training that it's too late once somebody pulls a gun on you.
That is simply a LIE.
Sure--chances are it's not going to end well for one or both of you.
But NOWHERE in the training so they say the fight is OVER.
You made that up.
I'm not leaving my daughter or loved one to deal with an armed attacker.


1. I was responding to your scenario. In said scenario you walk in on the situation. Out of the million cases when a person was home how many times did someone  showed up and save the person? It must be at least  10% of the time? 100,000 people saves their family.

Home invasions happen, one recently occurred near me. Do what you need to do to protect your home.

NFL star Sean Taylor was killed by a knife in a home invasion. He owned guns.

2. My point is correct, though worded poorly, you want your gun drawn first. If you're going to have it out you'd better be ready to use it.

I'm sure you're an expert marksmen with ice running through your veins. You could easily take out armed criminals because of your training.

What are the numbers for an armed citizen taking out gunmenm

That said if I had a gun and was being held up I'd hope I'd pull it.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: stuntmovie on September 11, 2017, 02:13:44 PM
I've carried a 45 on my hip for the majority of my adult lifetime and would do so again under similar Florida circumstances.

Serious question for you looting experts ......

What does the law have to say about shooting looters? I assume each state is different.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 02:17:22 PM
Australia is better, don't need to own guns to feel safe.

You don't "need" them in America either.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Tapeworm on September 11, 2017, 02:19:33 PM
Now compare the countries.

Done.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 11, 2017, 02:23:15 PM
I've carried a 45 on my hip for the majority of my adult lifetime and would do so again under similar Florida circumstances.

Serious question for you looting experts ......

What does the law have to say about shutting looters? I assume each state is different.
depends who you are, you can't just shoot a looter, you are not under any threat from them are you?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 02:27:24 PM
(http://www.genovapedia.org/picture_library/green_tacticool.jpg)



LOL  the video of him pulling the gun on those dudes looking for trannys was hilarious (even if It was staged)
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 02:29:41 PM
here's some things that is better than gun ownership.

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Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Tapeworm on September 11, 2017, 02:29:54 PM
depends who you are, you can't just shoot a looter, you are not under any threat from them are you?

If he were to boot a hooter's cooter your point gets mooter.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: SF1900 on September 11, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
depends who you are, you can't just shoot a looter, you are not under any threat from them are you?

I'm no legal expert, but I would guess that you just can't shoot a looter unless they posed a real threat to someone.

Only an idiot would think that you can just randomly shoot looters with zero repurcussions from the law.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 02:32:42 PM
this is pretty sweet too

(http://www.china-siter.com/view/en/uploaded/editor/20160325/1458886894336591.png)
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 02:35:14 PM
then you have the panic room, im sure your daughter is better off in there than in the middle of a gun fight.

(https://d12m281ylf13f0.cloudfront.net/images09/Safe.jpg)
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 02:42:28 PM
then you have the panic room, im sure your daughter is better off in there than in the middle of a gun fight.

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What are the laws on keeping the looters as prisoners in your basement? Legally speaking are they allowed to be tortured mentally and sexually?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 02:44:23 PM
have you ever pointed a gun at someone let alone shot anyone?
Luckily no. However if need be I would. Without question in fact.


I'm sure you're an expert marksmen with ice running through your veins. You could easily take out armed criminals because of your training.
What are the numbers for an armed citizen taking out gunmenm
That said if I had a gun and was being held up I'd hope I'd pull it.
No--I'm not an expert marksman but I do indeed have ice running thru my veins when it comes to my loved ones. Why you don't have the willingness to protect yourself and your family is beyond me.
I'm not going out like that. I fight back.
The fact that you said you "hope" you would pull out your firearm is alarming. Don't you wanna live?

Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
What are the laws on keeping the looters as prisoners in your basement? Legally speaking are they allowed to be tortured mentally and sexually?

i think its allowed to keep a few around running gimmicks on getbig, just provide them with a computer and some dog food
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 02:47:14 PM
Here's a whole bunch of people that lived to fight another day BECAUSE they had the sense to fight back.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: ratherbebig on September 11, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
or they could have bought a dog or a better door.

but thats not as "cool" as shooting someone (or rather, fantazise about it)
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 03:21:17 PM
Luckily no. However if need be I would. Without question in fact.

No--I'm not an expert marksman but I do indeed have ice running thru my veins when it comes to my loved ones. Why you don't have the willingness to protect yourself and your family is beyond me.
I'm not going out like that. I fight back.
The fact that you said you "hope" you would pull out your firearm is alarming. Don't you wanna live?



Lol you think everything is a choice now?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 11, 2017, 03:30:21 PM
No idea what that means.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on September 11, 2017, 04:03:33 PM
the only thing that irks me about the whole anti-gun thing is the politicians and celebutards who whine about guns most often leave out the part where they have bodyguards and/or carry some kind of weapons themselves
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 11, 2017, 05:31:47 PM
WHAT ABOUT RETARDED MEN?

WHAT ABOUT EX -FELONS?

Mental illness is complex and each person should be treated like an individual.  Anyone that is labeled as "retarded" is probably too far gone mentally to be trusted with a firearm.

I believe that ex-felons that served their time and were released should have all their constitutional rights restored.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Dave D on September 11, 2017, 06:45:50 PM

I believe that ex-felons that served their time and were released should have all their constitutional rights restored.

Interesting idea, the recidivism rate is high for criminals. But it isn't as if the lack of their constitutional  rights prevents them from committing crimes, and the technically paid the price for their offences.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 11, 2017, 07:08:34 PM
Interesting idea, the recidivism rate is high for criminals. But it isn't as if the lack of their constitutional  rights prevents them from committing crimes, and the technically paid the price for their offences.

I fucking hate felons but when you serve your time you serve your time.  If they are so fucking dangerous that the mere possession of a weapon will cause them to re-offend then why the fuck did you let them out?

Plus in the future, who knows what stupid shit will be considered a felony.  Criticizing mooslims?  Denying man made global warming?  Thought crimes?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 11, 2017, 07:12:03 PM
I fucking hate felons but when you serve your time you serve your time.  If they are so fucking dangerous that the mere possession of a weapon will cause them to re-offend then why the fuck did you let them out?

Plus in the future, who knows what stupid shit will be considered a felony.  Criticizing mooslims?  Denying man made global warming?  Thought crimes?

They already are crimes in many lands

"Misgendering" mentally ill people in Canada

Criticizing muzzies in Germany

Saying migrants shit on the street in Sweden

Only Russia remains with good strong moral laws
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 12, 2017, 01:05:30 AM
Mental illness is complex and each person should be treated like an individual.  Anyone that is labeled as "retarded" is probably too far gone mentally to be trusted with a firearm.

I believe that ex-felons that served their time and were released should have all their constitutional rights restored.

who are you tell anyone they cant be trusted with a firearm?

Why should the government have any right to restrict someone's right to bear arms?

Seems you want to pick and choose who owns a gun now based on your own personal opinion of them
By the way, how many mass shootings were done by someone with a mental health problem?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 12, 2017, 02:31:22 AM
who are you tell anyone they cant be trusted with a firearm?

Why should the government have any right to restrict someone's right to bear arms?

Seems you want to pick and choose who owns a gun now based on your own personal opinion of them
By the way, how many mass shootings were done by someone with a mental health problem?

You are either a fucking idiot or the worlds least funny troll.  Perhaps both.  You should feel bad.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Top Poodle on September 12, 2017, 02:33:40 AM
PRAY 4 WAR
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 12, 2017, 03:38:12 AM
You are either a fucking idiot or the worlds least funny troll.  Perhaps both.  You should feel bad.
ad hominem attacks don't address the point.... ;)
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: residue on September 12, 2017, 06:53:45 AM
the only thing that irks me about the whole anti-gun thing is the politicians and celebutards who whine about guns most often leave out the part where they have bodyguards and/or carry some kind of weapons themselves

what irks me is anytime any calls for stricter background checks or the insane gun show loophole they're labeled as aiti gun
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: stuntmovie on September 12, 2017, 08:05:17 AM
BETHERE, SF, Thanks for your decent answer which I thought was the intelligent response.

But if I just happened to be at home cleaning up some water damage and a couple of looters entered my house and tried to exit with my computer and my 65 in, high res, TV, .... could I legally shoot them while they are still inside?

(I think I might be searching for a way to shoot a thief .... without suffering remorse and legal consequences!)
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: SF1900 on September 12, 2017, 11:11:02 AM
BETHERE, SF, Thanks for your decent answer which I thought was the intelligent response.

But if I just happened to be at home cleaning up some water damage and a couple of looters entered my house and tried to exit with my computer and my 65 in, high res, TV, .... could I legally shoot them while they are still inside?

(I think I might be searching for a way to shoot a thief .... without suffering remorse and legal consequences!)

There's a difference between someone looting your home and someone looting a grocery store. These people were looting stores. If you're driving by a CVS and you see people looting, you just can't open fire and kill 15 looters without legal repercussions.

If they enter your private home, the rules change (I'm assuming).

So, yeah, I think the laws change once they enter your private home.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: HTexan on September 12, 2017, 02:00:42 PM
There's a difference between someone looting your home and someone looting a grocery store. These people were looting stores. If you're driving by a CVS and you see people looting, you just can't open fire and kill 15 looters without legal repercussions.

If they enter your private home, the rules change (I'm assuming).

So, yeah, I think the laws change once they enter your private home.
Well, legally if you shoot someone that in your home they can sue you for medical and pain and suffering. That is why people say you shoot to kill. IMO I have a few guns, but I couldn't and wouldn't kill anybody over material shit, I have insurance. Now if you going to trying and kill me or my family, that is of course a different story.

MY humble opinion on that matter, I believe people should have a right to have guns, besides anyone that is not a citizen, felons, or people with mental illness. I also believe having guns in schools and colleges is stupid. Open carry, for handguns, is really stupid too.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 12, 2017, 02:03:09 PM
Well, legally if you shoot someone that in your home they can sue you for medical and pain and suffering. That is why people say you shoot to kill. IMO I have a few guns, but I couldn't and wouldn't kill anybody over material shit, I have insurance. Now if you going to trying and kill me or my family, that is of course a different story.

MY humble opinion on that matter, I believe people should have a right to have guns, besides anyone that is not a citizen, felons, or people with mental illness. I also believe having guns in schools and colleges is stupid. Open carry, for handguns, is really stupid too.

thats esfitness excluded on two out of three counts.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: HTexan on September 12, 2017, 02:05:01 PM
thats esfitness excluded on two out of three counts.
;D
a lot of bbers would be, :-\
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on September 12, 2017, 03:34:04 PM
what irks me is anytime any calls for stricter background checks or the insane gun show loophole they're labeled as aiti gun

Considering that homicide rates among blacks are 10 times that of whites would you consider race a determining factor as part of the background check or do we keep the background checks politically correct?

https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680


The CDC confirms that, following an extended period of general decline, the overall homicide rate -- as well as the homicide rate within each racial group -- has increased from 2014 to 2015. In 2015, the homicide rates were (per 100,000 population):


20.9 for blacks (non-Hispanic)

4.9 for Hispanics

2.6 for whites (non-Hispanic)

5.7 for all races



Nearly 40 shot in Chicago over weekend as city nears 500 homicides - Chicago Tribune

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-39-wounded-6-fatally-in-weekend-shootings-20170911-story,amp.html
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 12, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
Ya know...the color of an offenders skin has no bearing on an attack.
Sure there are certain groups that appear to commit more violent crimes than others. But still...
Ill protect myself and loved ones with the same passion regardless of the color of the perp.
A crook is a crook.

Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on September 12, 2017, 05:33:39 PM
Ya know...the color of an offenders skin has no bearing on an attack.
Sure there are certain groups that appear to commit more violent crimes than others. But still...
Ill protect myself and loved ones with the same passion regardless of the color of the perp.
A crook is a crook.



"Appear"?

You're obviously afflicted with a mental illness called liberalism. It's especially virulent in gay men.



https://nolacrimenews.com/2016/06/14/the-demographics-of-murder-in-new-orleans/

The murder rate in New Orleans in 2015 was just about 40 per 100,000 residents. The national rate in 2014, the last year for which data is available, was 4.5 murders per 100,000 residents. Caracas, Venezuela is the murder capital of the world according to Wikipedia with a murder rate of 119.87 murders per 100,000 people. For segments of the African American community in New Orleans it is two to three times that bad.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: rangerwil on September 12, 2017, 05:51:53 PM
oh boy...
again...an intruder is an intruder.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 12, 2017, 09:16:37 PM
PRAY 4 WAR

Every day.

ad hominem attacks don't address the point.... ;)

I don't believe your post to be sincere nor do I believe you actually..."made a point", but I'll play along.

I am not the arbiter of who is and is not mentally ill.  Although it's an imperfect system, we have to rely on medical professionals and the courts for that.  There is a spectrum of mental illness and I don't belive it should all be treated the same.

PTSD and Paranoid Schitzophrenia are not the same yet are both forms of mental illness.  Limiting any person's constitutional rights is something that I don't take lightly and I think every benefit of the doubt should be afforded to a law abiding citizen.

If you don't like the ad hominem attacks then tough titties because there's more coming your way any minute now.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: chaos on September 12, 2017, 09:28:12 PM
aj ran away from this one, lots of gung ho gun owners would lose their shit if they ever had to point one at someone...
Owning a gun means you have to shoot someone ???
Have you ever stared down the barrel into another mans eyes?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 12, 2017, 09:34:32 PM
The premise of those opposing gun ownership is false
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: chaos on September 12, 2017, 09:35:24 PM
what irks me is anytime any calls for stricter background checks or the insane gun show loophole they're labeled as aiti gun
How strict should a background check be? Already have to wait 10 days to "cool down" even though I might own several guns already. What gun show loophole are you talking about? Out here in CA it's illegal to sell a firearm without going through an FFL, so there is no gun show loophole, it's a bullshit scare tactic blown up by politicians, same with stricter background checks.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: calfzilla on September 12, 2017, 09:35:48 PM
The premise of those opposing gun ownership is false

They are very obedient to their masters (the government).  
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 12, 2017, 09:36:12 PM
I fucking hate felons but when you serve your time you serve your time.  If they are so fucking dangerous that the mere possession of a weapon will cause them to re-offend then why the fuck did you let them out?

Plus in the future, who knows what stupid shit will be considered a felony.  Criticizing mooslims?  Denying man made global warming?  Thought crimes?

I Know you didn't mean this to be taken seriously because you're a well documented nutcase, but I have to agree with you
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 12, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
the only thing that irks me about the whole anti-gun thing is the politicians and celebutards who whine about guns most often leave out the part where they have bodyguards and/or carry some kind of weapons themselves

Yes, they advocate for mass immigration from nations full of hostile, primitive, unemployable, violent barbarians that would love nothing more than to rape our women and cut our throats.

Simultaneously the elite want to restrict the ability of law abiding citizens to defend themselves, their wives, children and property from this violent underclass being imported into our neighborhoods.

The elite will never have to deal with the consequences of the policies they endorse because they live in ivory towers and have armed security everywhere they go.  Convenient.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: calfzilla on September 12, 2017, 09:39:42 PM
Owning a gun means you have to shoot someone ???
Have you ever stared down the barrel into another mans eyes?

I think shooting someone is the last thing most legal gun owners ever want to do. A gun is simply another tool. Other tools include situational awareness, locked doors, lighting, security cameras, hand to hand combat, less lethal weapons (tazer), and fleeing. If none of these do the trick it's nice to have a gun as a last resort.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on September 12, 2017, 09:41:31 PM
great scene overall but 4 minutes on has the point

Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 12, 2017, 09:46:23 PM
I think shooting someone is the last thing most legal gun owners ever want to do. A gun is simply another tool. Other tools include situational awareness, locked doors, lighting, security cameras, hand to hand combat, less lethal weapons (tazer), and fleeing. If none of these do the trick it's nice to have a gun as a last resort.
agree
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 12, 2017, 09:51:05 PM
I think shooting someone is the last thing most legal gun owners ever want to do. A gun is simply another tool. Other tools include situational awareness, locked doors, lighting, security cameras, hand to hand combat, less lethal weapons (tazer), and fleeing. If none of these do the trick it's nice to have a gun as a last resort.

Absolutely right.  Great points.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 12, 2017, 10:00:08 PM
Absolutely right.  Great points.

don't make me rethink my position!
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Simple Simon on September 13, 2017, 12:38:43 AM

I don't believe your post to be sincere nor do I believe you actually..."made a point", but I'll play along.

I am not the arbiter of who is and is not mentally ill.  Although it's an imperfect system, we have to rely on medical professionals and the courts for that.  There is a spectrum of mental illness and I don't belive it should all be treated the same.

PTSD and Paranoid Schitzophrenia are not the same yet are both forms of mental illness.  Limiting any person's constitutional rights is something that I don't take lightly and I think every benefit of the doubt should be afforded to a law abiding citizen.

If you don't like the ad hominem attacks then tough titties because there's more coming your way any minute now.

AN AGGRESSIVE PERSON LIKE YOURSELF SHOULD BE BANNED FROM OWNING A GUN.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 13, 2017, 02:51:31 PM
AN AGGRESSIVE PERSON LIKE YOURSELF SHOULD BE BANNED FROM OWNING A GUN.

When the War pops off you'll be pooping in your diaper and begging for an aggressive person like me to come and save your ass.
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: chaos on September 13, 2017, 07:17:25 PM
AN AGGRESSIVE PERSON LIKE YOURSELF SHOULD BE BANNED FROM OWNING A GUN.
Have you met him?
Title: Re: Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.
Post by: HTexan on September 14, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
How strict should a background check be? Already have to wait 10 days to "cool down" even though I might own several guns already. What gun show loophole are you talking about? Out here in CA it's illegal to sell a firearm without going through an FFL, so there is no gun show loophole, it's a bullshit scare tactic blown up by politicians, same with stricter background checks.
I'm all for the cool down period. But yes 10 days is excessive. If a sick person is going to murder after a week, more days isn't going to stop him.