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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: old-school-lifter on September 18, 2017, 04:22:05 PM
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1997 Olympia- Nasser wins the O, clearly better than a burnt out Palumboism Yates , only to be robbed by the corrupt IFBB
20 years later, history repeats, another Egyptian champ robbed by a burnt out Palumboism Heath
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Nasser should've had a better back if he wanted the Sandow so bad.
Ramy didn't have enough thigh separation or back detail to win on Saturday.
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People are quick to forget that in '97 Dorian was still dominant from behind. He was a monster that year... the injuries overshadowed it.
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People are quick to forget that in '97 Dorian was still dominant from behind. He was a monster that year... the injuries overshadowed it.
DOrian won 1 pose
the BDB
all rest Nasser had him incl RLS!
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DOrian won 1 pose
the BDB
all rest Nasser had him incl RLS!
NO
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No way Ramy should have won. He shouldn't have even been runner up. Third.
I don't like Philip but the judges got it right for first.
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DOrian won 1 pose
the BDB
all rest Nasser had him incl RLS!
Not even close. Fu ck pix, watch the video.
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1997 Olympia- Nasser wins the O, clearly better than a burnt out Palumboism Yates , only to be robbed by the corrupt IFBB
20 years later, history repeats, another Egyptian champ robbed by a burnt out Palumboism Heath
Excellent post however I will say that both Nasser and Yates were phenomenal. It was certainly close. Now Phil and Ramy not so much. Ramy was the clear winner, Cheath just had corrupt IFBB politics on his side.
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Does 97 Nasser beat 2017 Heath?
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Does 97 Nasser beat 2017 Heath?
In theory, yes. But if the judges wouldn't give it to Ramy, they aren't gonna give it the the beautiful man in glasses either.
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Excellent post however I will say that both Nasser and Yates were phenomenal. It was certainly close. Now Phil and Ramy not so much. Ramy was the clear winner, Cheath just had corrupt IFBB politics on his side.
yes, Ramy is starting to show Palumbosim also
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yes, Ramy is starting to show Palumbosim also
Not even close.
Jeeze. Now even the slight distension, which is normal for everybody when relaxed, is Palumboism.
It's become such an overused cliche now. Just like anybody with a bicep peak or huge delts is using synthol. I'm sure if Arnold was competing today he would be accused of oil in his biceps.
Also, Palumbolism is more than just a distended belly. It's an expansion and widening of the thorax, T-Rex arms, atrophied thighs. It is an overall effect on your structure. Yates and Coleman had guts but not Palumbolism. Dorian is back to normal and said his gut went down after he stopped forced feeding himself.
This is Palumbolism.
(http://bodybuilderinthailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Screen-Shot-2559-06-09-at-03.24.29-207x300.png)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/113/images/Greg_Kovacs_21.jpg)
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yes, Ramy is starting to show Palumbosim also
I disagree. At least nowhere near the amount Cheath has.
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Does 97 Nasser beat 2017 Heath?
If judged fairly then yes Nasser wins easily.
If politics as usual are involved then they probably give it to Phil due to prejudice against Arabs.
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If judged fairly then yes Nasser wins easily.
If politics as usual are involved then they probably give it to Phil due to prejudice against Arabs.
I don't think it's so much a prejudice against Arabs. It would reflect positively on the IFBB's "multiculturalism" if Ramy won. I think they just like Phil and feel he markets the sport better.
Ramy doesn't live in the US and still isn't fluent in English. Having a blue eyed brew with a bright smile and doesn't talk like a gangsta thug is a big selling point.
Still, either way you cut it the O is politically driven. I think the Arnold is a better reflection on the best bber and hope one day they become the show to win as the O continues to lose credibility. The only way right now is to up the cash prize at the Arnold.
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1997 Olympia- Nasser wins the O, clearly better than a burnt out Palumboism Yates , only to be robbed by the corrupt IFBB
20 years later, history repeats, another Egyptian champ robbed by a burnt out Palumboism Heath
Don't forget that it's been ten years since Victor was robbed.
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2009/10/16aphrq-1.jpg)
And then there was the biggest travesty of all in 81 when they gave it to the atrophied bow legged and lactating nipple to Arnold's Sardinian side kick.
(https://pakkotoisto.com/attachments/med_gallery_1_4_167546-jpg.120646/)
How much longer will the public stand for this b.s.?
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I don't think it's so much a prejudice against Arabs. It would reflect positively on the IFBB's "multiculturalism" if Ramy won. I think they just like Phil and feel he markets the sport better.
Ramy doesn't live in the US and still isn't fluent in English. Having a blue eyed brew with a bright smile and doesn't talk like a gangsta thug is a big selling point.
Still, either way you cut it the O is politically driven. I think the Arnold is a better reflection on the best bber and hope one day they become the show to win as the O continues to lose credibility. The only way right now is to up the cash prize at the Arnold.
Still bullshit. The best body should win, whether he is Egyptian, fucks grapefruits, whatever.
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Still bullshit. The best body should win, whether he is Egyptian, fucks grapefruits, whatever.
Of course. But that's not going to happen at the O. The only thing left is for the public to reject their credibility. Similar to what is happening to the Emmys and ESPN. So biased and politically driven that
people don't pay attention anymore.
Unfortunately, it's too late for Kai but not for Ramy. Maybe he should forget the O and just concentrate on the Arnold and hopefully others will follow. Just like Kai, what the hell can he possibly do to win. He improves while Heath gets worse. But Phil will keep winning as long as he wants to compete.
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Padilla's physique in the above photo, destroys anyone from the classic bb stage last saturday
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Don't forget that it's been ten years since Victor was robbed.
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2009/10/16aphrq-1.jpg)
That's Jay in 2009. 2007 was way, way worse:
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Don't forget that it's been ten years since Victor was robbed.
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2009/10/16aphrq-1.jpg)
And then there was the biggest travesty of all in 81 when they gave it to the atrophied bow legged and lactating nipple to Arnold's Sardinian side kick.
(https://pakkotoisto.com/attachments/med_gallery_1_4_167546-jpg.120646/)
How much longer will the public stand for this b.s.?
good point, another terrible robbery
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That's Jay in 2009. 2007 was way, way worse:
I'll defer to your expertise. You're one of the few that still keeps this board the way it should be. I just googled Jay vs Victor 2007 Mr. Olympia and got that comparison.
Can you post a side by side of Jay and Victor in 2007? There it's clear who the better bber was that day.
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DOrian won 1 pose
the BDB
all rest Nasser had him incl RLS!
Lol no, and the side tricep wasn't even close. Pure destruction from Yates.
Either way, it's not judged that way.
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Padilla's physique in the above photo, destroys anyone from the classic bb stage last saturday
Not only was his symmetry, proportion and conditioning ideal; but he had such a clean, polished look to him that you never see nowadays. Everything perfect (except for the midget part).
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I'll defer to your expertise. You're one of the few that still keeps this board the way it should be. I just googled Jay vs Victor 2007 Mr. Olympia and got that comparison.
Can you post a side by side of Jay and Victor in 2007? There it's clear who the better bber was that day.
Thanks man. Here are some that I found. Dex beating them both in some shots IMO.
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Jay was definitely off that year. Poor Vicky. His one shot at greatness gone forever. Sucks.
But hats off to Jay for what he brought in 2009. Someone mentioned on another thread how at that level they're all maxed out and there is very little change from year to year. But Jay definitely shocked the bbing world in 2009 when he came out looking like he was photo shopped live. Even Coleman to some extent came in renewed in 2003. But for the most part they look the same before they start to deteriorate like Heath is right now.
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Nasser should've had a better back if he wanted the Sandow so bad.
Ramy didn't have enough thigh separation or back detail to win on Saturday.
I also think back thickness is an issue with Big Ramy. If those things are improved upon, or if even Phil Heath comes in a little off, I think the door can be opened for Big Ramy.
Another thing to consider: Phil Heath began bodybuilding in 2002, right around his 23rd birthday. He currently has around 15 years of training under his belt [and told me he would take improvement shots each week, which was later going to release, but I'm not sure if he ever did].
Big Ramy started training in 2010 I believe, as he hit the scene in 2012, and I recall hearing that he had only been training for two years at the time. That would mean that Big Ramy started training at age 26. So Big Ramy only has seven years of training experience. Meaning that Phil has about 7-8 years more training experience than Big Ramy.
There will be a period of time - even if it is in five years - that Big Ramy will no longer need to worry about Phil. That is, assuming that no one else rises up to Ramy's level, and that Ramy is still alive. :-\ I hate to say it, but with an off-season weight of something like 338-lb, it's hard to say how long a human being can sustain that.
Likewise, Phil Heath mentioned Dexter on Olympia night in terms of longevity, but Dexter has never take bodybuilding to the same level that Phil did, so I think Phil will burnout earlier. At the same time - and my last point, for real ;D - Phil Heath has only competed in 12 contests this decade. :o I think the lack of competing is the reason why Phil is still able to show up so crisp and shredded and 3D. It's one thing to compete in the contests near the Olympia, but peaking multiple times in the year is another matter.
Consider that only twice this decade Phil has peaked twice during the year - once in 2010, and once in 2013 - both for the Arnold Classic, where he placed 2nd in 2010, and 1st in 2013.
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Do they still have all those small Grand Prix shows right after the Olympia? I remember Ronnie would take the Sandow then go clean up at those small shows after the Olympia.
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I also think back thickness is an issue with Big Ramy. If those things are improved upon, or if even Phil Heath comes in a little off, I think the door can be opened for Big Ramy.
Another thing to consider: Phil Heath began bodybuilding in 2002, right around his 23rd birthday. He currently has around 15 years of training under his belt [and told me he would take improvement shots each week, which was later going to release, but I'm not sure if he ever did].
Big Ramy started training in 2010 I believe, as he hit the scene in 2012, and I recall hearing that he had only been training for two years at the time. That would mean that Big Ramy started training at age 26. So Big Ramy only has seven years of training experience. Meaning that Phil has about 7-8 years more training experience than Big Ramy.
There will be a period of time - even if it is in five years - that Big Ramy will no longer need to worry about Phil. That is, assuming that no one else rises up to Ramy's level, and that Ramy is still alive. :-\ I hate to say it, but with an off-season weight of something like 338-lb, it's hard to say how long a human being can sustain that.
Likewise, Phil Heath mentioned Dexter on Olympia night in terms of longevity, but Dexter has never take bodybuilding to the same level that Phil did, so I think Phil will burnout earlier. At the same time - and my last point, for real ;D - Phil Heath has only competed in 12 contests this decade. :o I think the lack of competing is the reason why Phil is still able to show up so crisp and shredded and 3D. It's one thing to compete in the contests near the Olympia, but peaking multiple times in the year is another matter.
Consider that only twice this decade Phil has peaked twice during the year - once in 2010, and once in 2013 - both for the Arnold Classic, where he placed 2nd in 2010, and 1st in 2013.
True, Phil has the back thickness that Ramy does not. But that's it.
And how do you know Ramy only started training in 2010?
And what on earth do you mean that Dex hasn't taken bbing to the same level as Phil? Dex is top of the top and has been so forever. To get to his level you have to be obsessed with bbing and will do whatever it takes.
I think you are making some unjustified and unsupported assumptions.
And you keep talking about Phil's conditioning. The guy has that glazed poofy look. Phil had a tad more cuts to his quads but Ramy was harder all around. Phil's abs are all but glazed over.
Ramy, at 300+ still has a flat, small waist and abs show even when relaxed.