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There has been some talk about using the 25th amendment to remove Pres Trump from office.
As I understand it, his cabinet has to vote and get a majority to say he's unfit for the office.
THEN both houses in congress have to vote on it before he's removed.
I'm not a Trump supporter and didn't vote for the man.
BUT, using the 25th amendment should require a very high standard before it's used.
I'm convinced the standard is very high, and it should be.
If not, a dangerous precedent could be set for every future president.
I'll admit, I'd love to see Trump resign and have Pence ascend to the Presidency.
But I'd be uncomfortable with removing him via this method.
Unless he's totally bat shit loony, he's the POTUS.
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There has been some talk about using the 25th amendment to remove Pres Trump from office.
As I understand it, his cabinet has to vote and get a majority to say he's unfit for the office.
THEN both houses in congress have to vote on it before he's removed.
I'm not a Trump supporter and didn't vote for the man.
BUT, using the 25th amendment should require a very high standard before it's used.
I'm convinced the standard is very high, and it should be.
If not, a dangerous precedent could be set for every future president.
I'll admit, I'd love to see Trump resign and have Pence ascend to the Presidency.
But I'd be uncomfortable with removing him via this method.
Unless he's totally bat shit loony, he's the POTUS.
So you read the article this morning and you're going with it. Tell my for what reasons you would have to remove? Economy going too well? More people are working? The UE just went down again? Bringing companies that left the US back here? Give me something logical.
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So you read the article this morning and you're going with it. Tell my for what reasons you would have to remove? Economy going too well? More people are working? The UE just went down again? Bringing companies that left the US back here? Give me something logical.
Yeah, he should be more like you and only read the headline (and not even understand it like you did with the Labor Participation #) and then go with it.
It's become more obvious on a daily basis that Trump is unfit for the office and a danger to the national security of OUR country
I don't expect an Trumptard such as yourself to ever be able to comprehend that
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They need something more than "We just HATE that guy!" but who knows in this twisted climate. Everything's a lie these days, anyway, so why not just do what you want. That's probably how they see it.
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So you read the article this morning and you're going with it. Tell my for what reasons you would have to remove? Economy going too well? More people are working? The UE just went down again? Bringing companies that left the US back here? Give me something logical.
No offense Coach, but it's obvious you didn't read my post/thread.
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Yeah, he should be more like you and only read the headline (and not even understand it like you did with the Labor Participation #) and then go with it.
It's become more obvious on a daily basis that Trump is unfit for the office and a danger to the national security of OUR country
I don't expect an Trumptard such as yourself to ever be able to comprehend that
Obviously, I don't LIKE what I hear coming from the White House lately.
BUT, he is the elected POTUS and there needs to be a very high standard of crazy to remove him from office.
I don't think we should do this for political reasons.
It should only be used IF Trump's a genuine threat to the survival of the nation ( aka nuclear war)
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Obviously, I don't LIKE what I hear coming from the White House lately.
BUT, he is the elected POTUS and there needs to be a very high standard of crazy to remove him from office.
I don't think we should do this for political reasons.
It should only be used IF Trump's a genuine threat to the survival of the nation ( aka nuclear war)
Hope he's been very careful about getting lured into conversations and going off as though he's at an 80s dinner party in NYC (where his mind seems to be permanently stuck).
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They need something more than "We just HATE that guy!" but who knows in this twisted climate. Everything's a lie these days, anyway, so why not just do what you want. That's probably how they see it.
it's got nothing to do with "we hate you"
it's exists so the cabinet (principal officers of the executive department) declare him to be "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office".
Being mentally and emotionally unstable would be cause for deeming his unable to discharges the powers and duties of his office.
Amendment XXV
Section 1.
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Section 3.
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
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Yeah, he should be more like you and only read the headline (and not even understand it like you did with the Labor Participation #) and then go with it.
It's become more obvious on a daily basis that Trump is unfit for the office and a danger to the national security of OUR country
I don't expect an Trumptard such as yourself to ever be able to comprehend that
You're still having a hard time with this, dimwit?
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You're still having a hard time with this, dimwit?
you were never able to answer why you thought 63.1% was a big deal
care to try now?
go back and look at your post
You clearly read the headline of the story and rushed to post it without actually understanding it
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They need something more than "We just HATE that guy!" but who knows in this twisted climate. Everything's a lie these days, anyway, so why not just do what you want. That's probably how they see it.
And this is what boils down too. He's an outsider that came in and is promising to do what he said. He's going after the establishment and career politicians like he said and can't handle it. To me that show incompetence of them, not Trump. The only mental cases are those that want to keep the status quo and either get nothing done (like they're preventing Trump to do) or take down America like Obama and the left wants. Outsider comes along and disrupts any of that, they "progressives" from the left or the right will try to take anyone down.
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you were never able to answer why you thought 63.1% was a big deal
care to try now?
go back and look at your post
You clearly read the headline of the story and rushed to post it without actually understanding it
You're boring me...go away.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/unemployment-claims-fall-to-lowest-level-in-43-years-despite-hurricanes/article/2637266
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Like I said, be careful of unsolicited conversation. Trump needs to learn when to be quiet, for sure.
I get what you mean, Straw.
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And this is what boils down too. He's an outsider that came in and is promising to do what he said. He's going after the establishment and career politicians like he said and can't handle it. To me that show incompetence of them, not Trump. The only mental cases are those that want to keep the status quo and either get nothing done (like they're preventing Trump to do) or take down America like Obama and the left wants. Outsider comes along and disrupts any of that, they "progressives" from the left or the right will try to take anyone down.
Oh, I know. But imo it only means he should learn to be very careful. Idk if he's capable of it, though.
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You're boring me...go away.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/unemployment-claims-fall-to-lowest-level-in-43-years-despite-hurricanes/article/2637266
I can't believe you fell for this FAKE NEWS
Since you're so excited about the 63.1% Labor Participation Rate last month just wondering why you didn't make a thread about it when Obama had months in a row at 65%+ or 64%+
Seems like you should have been even more excited about those numbers than Trumps paltry 63.1%
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How about you fools win an election and don't run a pos like Hillary?
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How about you fools win an election and don't run a pos like Hillary?
And quit secretly derailing anyone who might successfully challenge her from the inside.
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This is just as ridiculous as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory.
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This is just as ridiculous as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory.
Based on what we know, 100% agreed. It's dumb.
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This is just as ridiculous as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory.
Based on what we know, 100% agreed. It's dumb.
Steven Bannon thinks there's only a 30% chance that Trump completes his first term
Washington (CNN)Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon has privately confided that he believes President Donald Trump only has a 30% chance of completing his full term, a source told Vanity Fair.
According to two of Vanity Fair's sources with knowledge of the conversation, Bannon warned Trump several months ago that the biggest threat to his presidency is not impeachment by Congress, but the 25th Amendment -- which could allow his Cabinet to vote to remove him.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-steve-bannon-vanity-fair/index.html
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-steve-bannon-vanity-fair/index.html
I may be a little slow on the draw today. How did he decide on the figure of 30?
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So you read the article this morning and you're going with it. Tell my for what reasons you would have to remove? Economy going too well? More people are working? The UE just went down again? Bringing companies that left the US back here? Give me something logical.
There have been many articles suggesting that removing Trump from office is a possibility.
"Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term." The Slatest, October 11, 2017
"TRUMP OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE IN RUSSIA INVESTIGATION AND COULD BE IMPEACHED, NEW THINK TANK REPORT CLAIMS" Newsweek, 10/10/17
"Trump’s critics are actively exploring the path to impeachment or the invocation of the Twenty-fifth Amendment, which allows for the replacement of a President who is judged to be mentally unfit." The New Yorker, 5/8/17
"In recent days, I’ve spoken with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods." BY GABRIEL SHERMAN, OCTOBER 11, 2017
"Told about the 25th Amendment, Trump reportedly asked, ‘What’s that?’" Steve Benen, 10/12/17
"But let’s have some straight talk: A Trump impeachment is only a remote possibility, and promoting it now doesn’t do anyone any good. In fact, if Trump is removed before his first term is over, it’s far more likely to happen via the 25th Amendment — in other words, it’ll be Republicans who do the deed." The Washington Post, October 12
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This is just as ridiculous as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory.
I guess Bob Mueller is your fairy godmother?
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And this is what boils down too. He's an outsider that came in and is promising to do what he said. He's going after the establishment and career politicians like he said and can't handle it. To me that show incompetence of them, not Trump. The only mental cases are those that want to keep the status quo and either get nothing done (like they're preventing Trump to do) or take down America like Obama and the left wants. Outsider comes along and disrupts any of that, they "progressives" from the left or the right will try to take anyone down.
1. If you actually read my post, you'd know I believe we should only use the 25th for VERY good cause.
They need to show clearly that Trump is crazy before we get to removing him on this basis.
2. The problem with being a total GOV outsider is his total lack of experience.
Politics aside it's tough to do any job efficiently without some experience.
This is why he's such a tough time getting anything thru congress, despite a majority in both parts.
3. Unlike you Coach, I admit it when either political team scores points. ;)
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Yeah, I just now read a bunch of that stuff, and will say that a "reporter" who claims to have had fantastical conversations with unknown individuals who may be imaginary for all I know, makes me consider other things.
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There have been many articles suggesting that removing Trump from office is a possibility.
"Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term." The Slatest, October 11, 2017
"TRUMP OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE IN RUSSIA INVESTIGATION AND COULD BE IMPEACHED, NEW THINK TANK REPORT CLAIMS" Newsweek, 10/10/17
"Trump’s critics are actively exploring the path to impeachment or the invocation of the Twenty-fifth Amendment, which allows for the replacement of a President who is judged to be mentally unfit." The New Yorker, 5/8/17
"In recent days, I’ve spoken with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods." BY GABRIEL SHERMAN, OCTOBER 11, 2017
"Told about the 25th Amendment, Trump reportedly asked, ‘What’s that?’" Steve Benen, 10/12/17
"But let’s have some straight talk: A Trump impeachment is only a remote possibility, and promoting it now doesn’t do anyone any good. In fact, if Trump is removed before his first term is over, it’s far more likely to happen via the 25th Amendment — in other words, it’ll be Republicans who do the deed." The Washington Post, October 12
Absolutely absurd.
It's pretty funny how people effectively call Bannon a Grand Wizard of the KKK, then jump all over what sounds like some off the cuff exaggeration.
Trump being removed by his cabinet is as likely as Trump getting indicted for the non-existent crime of colluding with Russia.
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I guess Bob Mueller is your fairy godmother?
What heck does that even mean?
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I may be a little slow on the draw today. How did he decide on the figure of 30?
Trump's current waist size / 2 ?
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What heck does that even mean?
LOL, dumb ass ;) ;)
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There has been some talk about using the 25th amendment to remove Pres Trump from office.
As I understand it, his cabinet has to vote and get a majority to say he's unfit for the office.
THEN both houses in congress have to vote on it before he's removed.
I'm not a Trump supporter and didn't vote for the man.
BUT, using the 25th amendment should require a very high standard before it's used.
I'm convinced the standard is very high, and it should be.
If not, a dangerous precedent could be set for every future president.
I'll admit, I'd love to see Trump resign and have Pence ascend to the Presidency.
But I'd be uncomfortable with removing him via this method.
Unless he's totally bat shit loony, he's the POTUS.
The swamp politicians and elite are trying to create a coup. That is treason. Public execution for everyone involved. I'd like to see them try something like this. The Trump supporters will have none of that I am certain. Get ready for Civil War 2.0 if they ever go that route.
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Absolutely absurd.
It's pretty funny how people effectively call Bannon a Grand Wizard of the KKK, then jump all over what sounds like some off the cuff exaggeration.
Trump being removed by his cabinet is as likely as Trump getting indicted for the non-existent crime of colluding with Russia.
The politicians in Washington need to be removed. What did they think "drain the swamp" meant? That they get to stay? They are all part of the problem and need to be flushed down the drain. They are useless to us!
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Trump's current waist size / 2 ?
Idk, but considering who said it, it tells me he does have reasoning behind the number.
But then again, it seems to require understanding which individuals will be doing what things, and when, in the future -- which he couldn't possibly know.
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I may be a little slow on the draw today. How did he decide on the figure of 30?
I don't know
you can all and ask him
30% seems a bit generous to me
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LOL, dumb ass ;) ;)
Yes, I understand what you are. I'm asking what the heck the fairy godmother comment means?
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The politicians in Washington need to be removed. What did they think "drain the swamp" meant? That they get to stay? They are all part of the problem and need to be flushed down the drain. They are useless to us!
Term limits is probably the only way to drain the swamp.
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The Trump supporters will have none of that I am certain. Get ready for Civil War 2.0 if they ever go that route.
Agree with this. There will be riots, etc. on the other side for once and it won't be pretty. They will have essentially said "Your votes mean nothing. We will do whatever we want." They are doing that anyways mostly but that will be a step that will really put people over the top.
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There has been some talk about using the 25th amendment to remove Pres Trump from office.
As I understand it, his cabinet has to vote and get a majority to say he's unfit for the office.
THEN both houses in congress have to vote on it before he's removed.
I'm not a Trump supporter and didn't vote for the man.
BUT, using the 25th amendment should require a very high standard before it's used.
I'm convinced the standard is very high, and it should be.
If not, a dangerous precedent could be set for every future president.
I'll admit, I'd love to see Trump resign and have Pence ascend to the Presidency.
But I'd be uncomfortable with removing him via this method.
Unless he's totally bat shit loony, he's the POTUS.
I've missed you Howie!
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Term limits is probably the only way to drain the swamp.
That is a timely post as Feinstein, the oldest Seniletor (84), announced she will seek re-election...
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That is a timely post as Feinstein, the oldest Seniletor (84), announced she will seek re-election...
I really hope we can stop this one day. Not holding my breath.
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That is a timely post as Feinstein, the oldest Seniletor (84), announced she will seek re-election...
She really said that....at 84??
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She really said that....at 84??
Yes..
I am running for reelection to the Senate. Lots more to do: ending gun violence, combating climate change, access to healthcare. I’m all in!
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/09/dianne-feinstein-reelection-tweet-2018/
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Yes, I understand what you are. I'm asking what the heck the fairy godmother comment means?
Ok , I'll spell it out for you:
1. You claim the Trump/Russia collusion stuff is fiction aka "fake news"
2. Bob Mueller , former FBI director is in charge of current investigation of it.
3. The (attempted) joke was that you must also think Mueller is some fictional character.
Regardless of the investigations findings, Russia being involved with our election is a real issue
with an actual investigation.
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Ok , I'll spell it out for you:
1. You claim the Trump/Russia collusion stuff is fiction aka "fake news"
2. Bob Mueller , former FBI director is in charge of current investigation of it.
3. The (attempted) joke was that you must also think Mueller is some fictional character.
Regardless of the investigations findings, Russia being involved with our election is a real issue
with an actual investigation.
You tell'em Howie!
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"Hungry Howie's: Starving for Attention"
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You tell'em Howie!
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"Hungry Howie's: Starving for Attention"
Nobody named Howie ever heard of that joke ???
It's good to read you're posts again Yamcha.
With Coach's, not so much. ;D
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I really hope we can stop this one day. Not holding my breath.
Sadly, she's far from the oldest.
They wheeled ol' Strom Thurmond ( R-SC) in there at 100 to gavel in the senate once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond
I wish this was a joke, but it's all too true. :D
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Ok , I'll spell it out for you:
1. You claim the Trump/Russia collusion stuff is fiction aka "fake news"
2. Bob Mueller , former FBI director is in charge of current investigation of it.
3. The (attempted) joke was that you must also think Mueller is some fictional character.
Regardless of the investigations findings, Russia being involved with our election is a real issue
with an actual investigation.
I see. You were trying to be funny. You're not funny. Not even a little bit.
Yes I claim the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
No, Mueller is not a fictional character.
Yes this is a real investigation into a non-existent crime with zero evidence of this non-existent crime.
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Sadly, she's far from the oldest.
They wheeled ol' Strom Thurmond ( R-SC) in there at 100 to gavel in the senate once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond
I wish this was a joke, but it's all too true. :D
Feinstein is the oldest sitting Senator. These senile dinosaurs need to go away.
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Feinstein is the oldest sitting Senator. These senile dinosaurs need to go away.
Why?
If she can get elected (just like Trumptard) then she has every right be there
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Feinstein is the oldest sitting Senator. These senile dinosaurs need to go away.
Tell me about it. Her, McConnell. The whole lot of them.
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Tell me about it. Her, McConnell. The whole lot of them.
They have exactly the same right to be there as Trumptard
If you and your fellow Trumptards don't like it then run better candidates (sound familiar?)
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Absolutely absurd.
It's pretty funny how people effectively call Bannon a Grand Wizard of the KKK, then jump all over what sounds like some off the cuff exaggeration.
Trump being removed by his cabinet is as likely as Trump getting indicted for the non-existent crime of colluding with Russia.
Obstruction of justice is more likely. Collusion is not an easily proved criminal offense. Obstruction of justice is a flat out criminal offense.
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The swamp politicians and elite are trying to create a coup. That is treason. Public execution for everyone involved. I'd like to see them try something like this. The Trump supporters will have none of that I am certain. Get ready for Civil War 2.0 if they ever go that route.
Could it be that the spat of violent demonstrations/protests is actually combat training in preparation for Civil War 2.0?
Public executions are not likely in the U.S. these days. Five years in prison is a more likely punishment.
'Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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Obstruction of justice is more likely. Collusion is not an easily proved criminal offense. Obstruction of justice is a flat out criminal offense.
There is zero evidence of obstruction justice. There is no crime called "collusion."
What is likely to happen is what always happens with special prosecutors: runaway freight train, someone gets accused of or indicted for something, a 100+page report gets issued, and we the taxpayers get stuck with an enormous bill. Trump remains president. Both parties run political ads claiming victory. And the swamp continues to reek.
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Agree with this. There will be riots, etc. on the other side for once and it won't be pretty. They will have essentially said "Your votes mean nothing. We will do whatever we want." They are doing that anyways mostly but that will be a step that will really put people over the top.
Identify who "they" are. :)
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There is zero evidence of obstruction justice. There is no crime called "collusion."
What is likely to happen is what always happens with special prosecutors: runaway freight train, someone gets accused of or indicted for something, a 100+page report gets issued, and we the taxpayers get stuck with an enormous bill. Trump remains president. Both parties run political ads claiming victory. And the swamp continues to reek.
"Sorry, Fox News: Legal Experts Say Trump Collusion With Russia Could Be a Crime" DAN FRIEDMAN JUN. 28, 2017
"Both Lichtman and Gardner said the federal statute criminalizing treason could apply. But putting aside treason, "there are numerous laws" that could be implicated by collusion with any foreign government, Lichtman said.
Those include the Logan Act, which forbids dealings by private individuals with foreign governments involved in disputes with the US; the Stored Communications Act, which creates Fourth Amendment-like privacy protections for email and other digital communications; and the Espionage Act." Business Insider, Jun. 27, 2017
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"Sorry, Fox News: Legal Experts Say Trump Collusion With Russia Could Be a Crime" DAN FRIEDMAN JUN. 28, 2017
"Both Lichtman and Gardner said the federal statute criminalizing treason could apply. But putting aside treason, "there are numerous laws" that could be implicated by collusion with any foreign government, Lichtman said.
Those include the Logan Act, which forbids dealings by private individuals with foreign governments involved in disputes with the US; the Stored Communications Act, which creates Fourth Amendment-like privacy protections for email and other digital communications; and the Espionage Act." Business Insider, Jun. 27, 2017
Other laws that could be implicated. Confirming what I said. There is no crime called collusion.
Regarding the rest of it: treason, Logan Act, Espionage Act?? Seriously? Where did you get this?
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There is zero evidence of obstruction justice. There is no crime called "collusion."
What is likely to happen is what always happens with special prosecutors: runaway freight train, someone gets accused of or indicted for something, a 100+page report gets issued, and we the taxpayers get stuck with an enormous bill. Trump remains president. Both parties run political ads claiming victory. And the swamp continues to reek.
I can't believe Mueller, the Senate and Congress haven't yet shared their evidence with you and Fox News
That's how the process works right ?
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Identify who "they" are. :)
Nope. Too obvious.
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Other laws that could be implicated. Confirming what I said. There is no crime called collusion.
Regarding the rest of it: treason, Logan Act, Espionage Act?? Seriously? Where did you get this?
These are quotes and I cited the resources in my post.
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These are quotes and I cited the resources in my post.
Ok. I found the article. What an absurd overreach. This is an investigation in search of a crime. In the end, it's going to give a brain dead party (Democrats) campaign fodder, as well as the spineless party (Republicans). A colossal waste of my tax dollars.
Meanwhile, Putin is probably loving this. First the faked moon landing conspiracy and now this stupidity.
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Ok. I found the article. What an absurd overreach. This is an investigation in search of a crime. In the end, it's going to give a brain dead party (Democrats) campaign fodder, as well as the spineless party (Republicans). A colossal waste of my tax dollars.
Meanwhile, Putin is probably loving this. First the faked moon landing conspiracy and now this stupidity.
how many investigations of Hillary did Repubs conduct trying to find a crime?
I don't recall you having any issue with that
I'm sure if Fox News had a tape of Schumer and Pelosi saying they believed Clinton was "paid by Russia...swear to god" they would laugh it off as a joke
Especially if Pelosi/Schumer first denied it ever happened, then said the transcript was wrong and only when they found it there was a tape said it was a joke
Nothing odd about that and we know that Fair and Balanced Fox and Repubs are
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Ok. I found the article. What an absurd overreach. This is an investigation in search of a crime. In the end, it's going to give a brain dead party (Democrats) campaign fodder, as well as the spineless party (Republicans). A colossal waste of my tax dollars.
Meanwhile, Putin is probably loving this. First the faked moon landing conspiracy and now this stupidity.
The specialty of "Homeland Security" as it's become quite a player in seeking Americans to investigate and bust for things it wasn't said to be meant for.
Sorry for the OT nature, but couldn't pass on that opening. And I completely agree with you.
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I would hate to be Trump right now. No matter what he does, it becomes public fodder. Question is, does he bring this on himself. Almost daily , he says or does something that makes him look like an idiot. Dear Mr Trump tell me again who is the President of the Virgin Islands? Maybe you thought Puerto Rico was also a separate country. :)
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I would hate to be Trump right now. No matter what he does, it becomes public fodder. Question is, does he bring this on himself. Almost daily , he says or does something that makes him look like an idiot. Dear Mr Trump tell me again who is the President of the Virgin Islands? Maybe you thought Puerto Rico was also a separate country. :)
I don't think the majority of people care about this stupid stuff. It didn't work before the election. It's not working now. It's likely not going to work in 2018 or 2020.
Just look at the smoke in mirrors today. Over 90 percent of the coverage of Trump by the MSM is negative. Then they do opinion polls and surprise, the response is negative. Trump hatred is not going to defeat him. Democrats will have to actually come up with good public policy ideas that the majority of the voters want. I doubt they can do it, because they have been intellectually bankrupt for years. The only reason that party still exists is the Republican party is full of a bunch of spineless lifers who only care about getting reelected.
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I don't think the majority of people care about this stupid stuff. It didn't work before the election. It's not working now. It's likely not going to work in 2018 or 2020.
Just look at the smoke in mirrors today. Over 90 percent of the coverage of Trump by the MSM is negative. Then they do opinion polls and surprise, the response is negative. Trump hatred is not going to defeat him. Democrats will have to actually come up with good public policy ideas that the majority of the voters want. I doubt they can do it, because they have been intellectually bankrupt for years. The only reason that party still exists is the Republican party is full of a bunch of spineless lifers who only care about getting reelected.
Maybe not the majority of people, but there is one person that seems to care a great deal. It is he who takes to Twitter the moment anything he doesn't like is said about him. The one who has an easily bruised ego. Even Getbiggers don't meltdown as often as Trump does.
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Maybe not the majority of people, but there is one person that seems to care a great deal. It is he who takes to Twitter the moment anything he doesn't like is said about him. The one who has an easily bruised ego. Even Getbiggers don't meltdown as often as Trump does.
His use of Twitter is good and bad. The bad is he really does lack the discipline and self-control to not fight every battle and respond to every slight.
The good is he has bypassed the MSM and is able to speak directly to the public. It infuriates the dishonest, biased MSM. They are war with Trump. I don't think they are winning this war.
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“I can say categorically that his investigation indicates that no one on the White House staff, no one in this administration, presently employed, was involved in this very bizarre incident [the Watergate burglary]. What really hurts in matters of this sort is not the fact that they occur, because overzealous people in campaigns do things that are wrong. What really hurts is if you try to cover it up.” Richard Nixon
"Research suggests that pathological liars show no discomfort when caught lying, while other studies suggest that liars may become aggressive and angry when caught." Tamara Hill, MS
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“I can say categorically that his investigation indicates that no one on the White House staff, no one in this administration, presently employed, was involved in this very bizarre incident [the Watergate burglary]. What really hurts in matters of this sort is not the fact that they occur, because overzealous people in campaigns do things that are wrong. What really hurts is if you try to cover it up.” Richard Nixon
"Research suggests that pathological liars show no discomfort when caught lying, while other studies suggest that liars may become aggressive and angry when caught." Tamara Hill, MS
Putting it as though he's relating his own experience is strange, and can't imagine anyone else would've written it for him that way.
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Putting it as though he's relating his own experience is strange, and can't imagine anyone else would've written it for him that way.
Nixon was no dope (supposed IQ 0f 155). He was extremely paranoid, which also describes the current inhabitant of the oval office (the paranoid part).
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Nixon was no dope (supposed IQ 0f 155). He was extremely paranoid, which also describes the current inhabitant of the oval office (the paranoid part).
Yes, said to be very smart and quite a peculiarly good poker man for some reason. He financed himself that way in the 1950s from what I understand. He funded campaigns for some time through gambling.