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By that I mean - his training, his surgeries, the fact that he has used [is using?] the assistance of a walker to get around. Recall the pill container he had, where he was medicated for just about everything, and the interview with Dave Palumbo in New York where Ronnie pulled out a bottle of morphine pills, which he said don't even work for him anymore. :-\
It must be hard for the king of the jungle to fall, but compare Ronnie's post-retirement actions with those of Shawn Ray for example. It seems to me that Shawn was always thinking about his future. He knew he would not be able to look like he did forever, and he seemed to be mentally prepared for it. Shawn could have upped the steroid and GH use and been a top four competitor until the age of 40 or more [he retired shortly after turning 36, at the 2001 Mr. Olympia - although did not explicitly announce his retirement then]. Instead, Shawn decided that he didn't want to continue to tax his body with age, and went out relatively on top - with a fourth place finish at the most elite bodybuilding contest in the world.
For everything Ronnie did, is he happy with his post-contest - I hate to say stupidity, but - inappropriate training, given his surgeries?
Ronnie has made a lot of money and has had what appears to be a wonderful life - at least from age 30 onward [I can't speak for his childhood through to early young adulthood]. I just personally hate to see the guy almost fall apart in front of our eyes.
I looked into 2008 contests that I think Ronnie could have won one or more of. My view is that he should have competed in one [or even three] of these 2008 contests, won it [or more than one], then left us in a way where we could still be thinking "You know what - I bet he could have won another Mr. Olympia if he stuck around." These are the contests [in alphabetical order], and their actual winners - none of the competitors who won these contests were at Ronnie's level by the time Ronnie retired in 2007:
1. 2008 Atlantic City Pro [won by Melvin Anthony]
2. 2008 Europa Supershow [won by Toney Freeman]
3. 2008 Houston Pro Championships [won by Silvio Samuel]
4. 2008 New York Pro Championships [won by Kai Greene]
5. 2008 Tampa Pro Championships [won by Toney Freeman]
It would have been neat for him to win one or more of those shows and retire on a W, even if that would be considered a "downgrade" from his previous success. Ultimately Ronnie gets to decide what he does or does not do, but I am of the impression that what made Ronnie the champion that he was, also ultimately broke him - it's simply a fact that he can't put on the brakes. And - like Dorian before him - his body ended up putting on the brakes for him when his mind did not.
I made the following video years ago, and even more can be added to it now:
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I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I........
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I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I........
Got it. ;) I went back and bolded and underlined every instance of I, and a my that I also caught. :D
Maybe this will help me make a determination if I am speaking about myself too much, or...maybe it will just end up costing me time in looking over my posts. We shall see. :)
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We don't
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He’s a fucking idiot, he still throws weights around with the same sloppy form that injured him initially
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Me me me me me
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He’s a fucking idiot, he still throws weights around with the same sloppy form that injured him initially
This is why I love Getbig. ;D Henda, do you think there is a solution to that? Or do you think it's just way too psychologically complex to attempt to do anything about?
You can ignore everything from this point on, I just talk about myself here, LOL [sorry guys]:
There are some things that I say that other people would be terrified to say...but just as that is true of me, it is also true of others.
Henda basically took the words out of my mind - but since I'm currently contemplating going back to expos again, I have to be somewhat careful of what I say on here. Although David Henry and I are cool now, he was NOT happy to see me in person. I do believe he was more upset with the fact that I am a Getbigger, as opposed to something I personally wrote.
Fuck, I can't help speaking about myself so much. Just trying to explain why I don't want to trash pros too much - it's one thing to do it behind a computer screen, but quite another matter to see them in person, knowing you previously said that.
PS - having been involved with the expo scene and having ran a medium-sized bodybuilding website for a little over a decade, I hope people can understand that I post about my experiences so much because I have had a lot of firsthand personal experiences. :-\ I'll try to keep it to that, and not boast about winning some local strongman contest or something.
Me me me me me
I'm starting to think that I can't help it. :-X
I'm going to try my best to post respectful and on-topic posts, rich with related information...then just cross my fingers and hope it works. ;D
:-X
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I started noticing a lot of little pains training too heavy once I went into my 30's towards the end of every training cycle. I started training lighter and still going to failure but with slower reps so I still felt everything. Probably look better and never have had an issue since.
Ronnie, and Dorian, should have backed off over time. Training to failure still stimulates the muscle, going too heavy puts you in a position of injury especially as you get older, not because of age so much but because you know how to train and feel everything so there's no need to be crazy and go too heavy. Ronnie could have won more Olympias. Now he's just being stupid. He could go in, pick a weight, go to failure even if lighter and he would still do what he needed to do to maintain without so much injury risk.
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What Ronnie does is not logical. But you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Just let him do his thing, he's not changing.
He still talks about a competitive comeback :-X
Regarding Dorian, his training wasn't extremely heavy and it was low volume so not a huge amount of overuse trauma. But he was unlucky to have brittle tendons. Dorian wouldn't have survived many days training like Ronnie. Enormous volume, enormous loads, horrible form.
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I started noticing a lot of little pains training too heavy once I went into my 30's towards the end of every training cycle. I started training lighter and still going to failure but with slower reps so I still felt everything. Probably look better and never have had an issue since.
Ronnie, and Dorian, should have backed off over time. Training to failure still stimulates the muscle, going too heavy puts you in a position of injury especially as you get older, not because of age so much but because you know how to train and feel everything so there's no need to be crazy and go too heavy. Ronnie could have won more Olympias. Now he's just being stupid. He could go in, pick a weight, go to failure even if lighter and he would still do what he needed to do to maintain without so much injury risk.
Agreed. Luckily for Dorian, while his intensity may have ended his career earlier than what it otherwise could have been, it's good that he didn't carry on that style of training well into retirement. Ronnie, on the other hand, just doesn't seem able to stop. It's sad to me because Ronnie is 53 now - he's no spring chicken, and I don't think being wheelchair-bound for life due to paralysis is out of the question at this point. It's as if he looks at these injuries as being like a badge of honour or something? :-\
I'm reminded of ZONE CAPONE from MuscleMayhem. :-X Kwon probably knows him. ;D
While on the topic, what else did you do to overcome those little nagging issues that came about in your thirties? For me, I found that just throwing in a little more warming up with my opening sets with lighter weight made a huge difference. By the time I got to my heaviest sets, I felt ready.
Rub A535 is also nice. ;D
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Agreed. Luckily for Dorian, while his intensity may have ended his career earlier than what it otherwise could have been, it's good that he didn't carry on that style of training well into retirement. Ronnie, on the other hand, just doesn't seem able to stop. It's sad to me because Ronnie is 53 now - he's no spring chicken, and I don't think being wheelchair-bound for life due to paralysis is out of the question at this point. It's as if he looks at these injuries as being like a badge of honour or something? :-\
I'm reminded of ZONE CAPONE from MuscleMayhem. :-X Kwon probably knows him. ;D
While on the topic, what else did you do to overcome those little nagging issues that came about in your thirties? For me, I found that just throwing in a little more warming up with my opening sets with lighter weight made a huge difference. By the time I got to my heaviest sets, I felt ready.
Rub A535 is also nice. ;D
ZONE CAPONE was a part of Piana's 5% army, lol. Apparently ran into some health problems so he filled his body with oil and tattoos instead of drugs. Check his IG :D
I'm 40 and I warm up for up to 2 hours before heavy deads or squats, no joke :D
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i do leg extensions, no warm up
saves me 2 hours
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I saw him on the ‘untitled action Bronson show’ the other day
Would barely stand up
Was asked if he wanted a dab I.e. smoked herb — he declined , said he didn’t
Looked really lean tho - still on the good gh
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how does talking about this dim witted black man enrich your life?
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how does talking about this dim witted black man enrich your life?
I'll have you know Coleman graduated magma cum loud with a degree in accounting.
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By that I mean - his training, his surgeries, the fact that he has used [is using?] the assistance of a walker to get around. Recall the pill container he had, where he was medicated for just about everything, and the interview with Dave Palumbo in New York where Ronnie pulled out a bottle of morphine pills, which he said don't even work for him anymore. :-\
It must be hard for the king of the jungle to fall, but compare Ronnie's post-retirement actions with those of Shawn Ray for example. It seems to me that Shawn was always thinking about his future. He knew he would not be able to look like he did forever, and he seemed to be mentally prepared for it. Shawn could have upped the steroid and GH use and been a top four competitor until the age of 40 or more [he retired shortly after turning 36, at the 2001 Mr. Olympia - although did not explicitly announce his retirement then]. Instead, Shawn decided that he didn't want to continue to tax his body with age, and went out relatively on top - with a fourth place finish at the most elite bodybuilding contest in the world.
For everything Ronnie did, is he happy with his post-contest - I hate to say stupidity, but - inappropriate training, given his surgeries?
Ronnie has made a lot of money and has had what appears to be a wonderful life - at least from age 30 onward [I can't speak for his childhood through to early young adulthood]. I just personally hate to see the guy almost fall apart in front of our eyes.
I looked into 2008 contests that I think Ronnie could have won one or more of. My view is that he should have competed in one [or even three] of these 2008 contests, won it [or more than one], then left us in a way where we could still be thinking "You know what - I bet he could have won another Mr. Olympia if he stuck around." These are the contests [in alphabetical order], and their actual winners - none of the competitors who won these contests were at Ronnie's level by the time Ronnie retired in 2007:
1. 2008 Atlantic City Pro [won by Melvin Anthony]
2. 2008 Europa Supershow [won by Toney Freeman]
3. 2008 Houston Pro Championships [won by Silvio Samuel]
4. 2008 New York Pro Championships [won by Kai Greene]
5. 2008 Tampa Pro Championships [won by Toney Freeman]
It would have been neat for him to win one or more of those shows and retire on a W, even if that would be considered a "downgrade" from his previous success. Ultimately Ronnie gets to decide what he does or does not do, but I am of the impression that what made Ronnie the champion that he was, also ultimately broke him - it's simply a fact that he can't put on the brakes. And - like Dorian before him - his body ended up putting on the brakes for him when his mind did not.
I made the following video years ago, and even more can be added to it now:
I live by the Centennial Botanical Conservatory in one of the many homes I own on Balmoral Street in Thunder Bay Ontario. My name is Matt Canning. I'm 37 years old. I believe in talking about myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine which keeps me at 170lbs at 5'9. In the morning if my face is a little puffy from the tears that fell to my pillow while crying myself to sleep after my mother yelled at me the night before I put on an ice pack while doing doing bodyweight squats. I can do 100 now. After I remove the ice pack I post my first manifesto of the day on getbig waxing poetic about Art Atwood and how if he only listened to me he would have lived to be 42. In the shower I get a parsh, but I avoid masturbating because I am going to the clinic to check my sperm levels later today to see if I can produce my 8th child with another one of Thunder Bay's fine single welfare moms, Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine, which includes checking my bitcoin values, arguing on getbig about how Ronnie Coleman should have entered the Northern Ontario Strongman competition in which I sponsor, but as well I competed in the lightweight category at 5'9 and 170lbs. They put my picture in the newspaper I type to BeThere and post the article for the 100th time. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older, and with people who look older, well I fear for their health. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion, while I get into an online argument with Vince Goodrum about how Blacks have lower IQ's than whites and how I proved that by being the best white teaching assistant Lakhead University ever had before they wrongfully terminated me for getting caught masturbating in the genderless washroom writing my strong opinions on facebook. There is an idea of a Matt Canning. Is he a racist? Does he really want 7 more children with 12 strange women? Will he ever get to write for MD?. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though I can troll all you getbiggers, and you can groan at your computer as I drone on and derail a thread by making the most non related topics all about myself, and maybe you can even sense that I am in fact a talented bodybuilding journalist, I simply cannot separate my crazy opinions from reality.
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I believe he's got a heart of gold..met him several times and was always polite and respectful...
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Yeah Buddy!
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Lee Haney pointed out in one of his training videos that you needed to “save the joints”. Look at Lee today and you can see he was right. Heavy lifting extracts a toll on your body over time. No surprise there.
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Got it. ;) I went back and bolded and underlined every instance of I, and a my that I also caught. :D
Maybe this will help me make a determination if I am speaking about myself too much, or...maybe it will just end up costing me time in looking over my posts. We shall see. :)
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I'll have you know Coleman graduated magma cum loud with a degree in accounting.
He's no doubt a Mensa member.
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Lee Haney pointed out in one of his training videos that you needed to “save the joints”. Look at Lee today and you can see he was right. Heavy lifting extracts a toll on your body over time. No surprise there.
;D 8)
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I live by the Centennial Botanical Conservatory in one of the many homes I own on Balmoral Street in Thunder Bay Ontario. My name is Matt Canning. I'm 37 years old. I believe in talking about myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine which keeps me at 170lbs at 5'9. .
Correction: 5’9.3” Unless it’s at 7 AM. Then it’s 5’9.35”
Sorry Matt- you make it too easy, lol
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I'll have you know Coleman graduated magma cum loud with a degree in accounting.
;D
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Coleman responded so well to drugs that his strength FAR exceeded his natural structural integrity. He’s not some Viking with a Terminator-like frame.
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Getbig should reduce its word limits to 200. Anything beyond that is worthless. Damn, it’s like some of you are on meth when you post. Fuck
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ZONE CAPONE was a part of Piana's 5% army, lol. Apparently ran into some health problems so he filled his body with oil and tattoos instead of drugs. Check his IG :D
I'm 40 and I warm up for up to 2 hours before heavy deads or squats, no joke :D
40 is just around the corner for me. And I full well expect to warm up for north of half an hour - how close I come to two hours will depend on how I feel in four or so years when I hit 40. So far, so good. :) The moderate approach to weight training has worked well for me. I feel good, and I believe that I picked the right sport in strongman - other sports definitely require younger men. Although remarkably, Usain Bolt was beaten by a 35-year-old in the 100m sprint earlier this year. :o
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2017/08/05/usain-bolts-last-individual-race-live-london-2017-100m-updates
That article acts as if PEDs are some horrifying thing. Are PEDs really tested for adequately in sprinting? ??? I'm of the impression that drugs are in all sports...with USADA in the UFC now, PED use appears to be on the decline, but at the end of the day, are people seriously shocked by the fact that PEDs are in sports? I just take it as a given. Furthermore, testing seems to reward those who get away with drugs, rather than prevent people from using them. In other words, those with the best coaches/chemists will ultimately have an advantage. How is that fair?
how does talking about this dim witted black man enrich your life?
Fair question - I guess to me it's ultimately about a deeper issue; that being that we will eventually face aging, disease, the loss of loved ones, and death. I myself want to look to models around me that have been best at coping with those things, so that I can handle them well when I face them myself. Seeing Ronnie go from the king of the jungle to a person who has had difficulty walking at times has been a bit hard even for me to watch. I can't fathom how he has been coping with it.
That's why I said that Shawn Ray is a much better model for how to deal with retirement from an activity so dependent on youth, and aging. Shawn has focused on family, and the word of The Lord. I respect that a lot - and I say that as a [still, currently at least] non-religious person.
As I said, we all face these things right? So why not learn from the mistakes of others, and not make those mistakes ourselves? If there is something to learn from Ronnie it's that it is perfectly fine to put on the brakes at some point! We don't need to be giving 100% all of the time. Maybe I'll make 2018 the year that I win Strongman Nationals in my weight class, then finally move on to a more moderate program - with added cardio, more warming up [as Van_Bilderass says he does], and stuff like that. I do believe that I have the potential to win Nationals, and I don't want to be 50 years old asking myself what I could have done had I tried harder. On the flip side, I don't want to be in a wheelchair regretting the time that I decided to train way too hard in order to ultimately just win a plastic trophy.
In other words - as usual - I relate the experiences of Ronnie Coleman to myself, and try to learn from him. So yeah, it's all about me once again. ;D Sorry. :-\ :-X
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40 is just around the corner for me. And I full well expect to warm up for north of half an hour - how close I come to two hours will depend on how I feel in four or so years when I hit 40. So far, so good. :) The moderate approach to weight training has worked well for me. I feel good, and I believe that I picked the right sport in strongman - other sports definitely require younger men. Although remarkably, Usain Bolt was beaten by a 35-year-old in the 100m sprint earlier this year. :o
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2017/08/05/usain-bolts-last-individual-race-live-london-2017-100m-updates
That article acts as if PEDs are some horrifying thing. Are PEDs really tested for adequately in sprinting? ??? I'm of the impression that drugs are in all sports...with USADA in the UFC now, PED use appears to be on the decline, but at the end of the day, are people seriously shocked by the fact that PEDs are in sports? I just take it as a given. Furthermore, testing seems to reward those who get away with drugs, rather than prevent people from using them. In other words, those with the best coaches/chemists will ultimately have an advantage. How is that fair?
Fair question - I guess to me it's ultimately about a deeper issue; that being that we will eventually face aging, disease, the loss of loved ones, and death. I myself want to look to models around me that have been best at coping with those things, so that I can handle them well when I face them myself. Seeing Ronnie go from the king of the jungle to a person who has had difficulty walking at times has been a bit hard even for me to watch. I can't fathom how he has been coping with it.
That's why I said that Shawn Ray is a much better model for how to deal with retirement from an activity so dependent on youth, and aging. Shawn has focused on family, and the word of The Lord. I respect that a lot - and I say that as a [still, currently at least] non-religious person.
As I said, we all face these things right? So why not learn from the mistakes of others, and not make those mistakes ourselves? If there is something to learn from Ronnie it's that it is perfectly fine to put on the brakes at some point! We don't need to be giving 100% all of the time. Maybe I'll make 2018 the year that I win Strongman Nationals in my weight class, then finally move on to a more moderate program - with added cardio, more warming up [as Van_Bilderass says he does], and stuff like that. I do believe that I have the potential to win Nationals, and I don't want to be 50 years old asking myself what I could have done had I tried harder. On the flip side, I don't want to be in a wheelchair regretting the time that I decided to train way too hard in order to ultimately just win a plastic trophy.
In other words - as usual - I relate the experiences of Ronnie Coleman to myself, and try to learn from him. So yeah, it's all about me once again. ;D Sorry. :-\ :-X
Case in point
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What Ronnie does is not logical. But you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Just let him do his thing, he's not changing.
He still talks about a competitive comeback :-X
Regarding Dorian, his training wasn't extremely heavy and it was low volume so not a huge amount of overuse trauma. But he was unlucky to have brittle tendons. Dorian wouldn't have survived many days training like Ronnie. Enormous volume, enormous loads, horrible form.
Training wasn't extremely heavy? Compared to who?
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What Ronnie does is not logical. But you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Just let him do his thing, he's not changing.
He still talks about a competitive comeback :-X
Regarding Dorian, his training wasn't extremely heavy and it was low volume so not a huge amount of overuse trauma. But he was unlucky to have brittle tendons. Dorian wouldn't have survived many days training like Ronnie. Enormous volume, enormous loads, horrible form.
Unless it’s genetics (which I doubt) it’s poor training knowledge when it comes to programming. Same scenario with ACL injuries in the NFL. 40+ this season and we’re only half way through. Muscles too strong for connective tissue leads to injury. Add in PED’s and you make the problem worse. For years I’ve been preaching to take the knowledge and science from the actual Strength and Conditioning world (where training research is actually done) and apply to bodybuilding. Connective tissue for healthy doesn’t happen unless it’s genetics later on in life. Bodybuilders in general just don’t know the sciences of training besides hypertrophy. Most of not all (even Layne Norton, Stoppani, etc) that I know of don’t look beyond that.
Fortunately I actually developed a bodybuilding template some years back just for that.
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Case in point
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Dorian trained heavy the whole time. 6-8 rep heavy, only deadlifts he went a bit lighter because of his bicep tear.
Should have at least gone lighter 6-8 weeks before a show.
I remember the first few years of training anything over 6-8 reps i didn't like, didn't feel the same. I couldn't even warm up on leg press with under 700 pounds. But after years you feel everything a lot better and going that heavy would be scary because i would feel the risk of injury. You just need to wake up and realise it rather than keep doing the same thing and risking not even training for long periods.
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Regarding Dorian, his training wasn't extremely heavy and it was low volume so not a huge amount of overuse trauma. But he was unlucky to have brittle tendons. Dorian wouldn't have survived many days training like Ronnie. Enormous volume, enormous loads, horrible form.
He was a high intensity advocate, heavy partials, and took a muscle to the point of negative failure
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Case in point
LOL.
Honestly, with time we all sort of refine things and become better...what I have been wondering is if the 80/20 principle can apply to my posts. Is it possible that I could make posts that are 20% the size, but contain about 80% the information?
Because that tradeoff is one that I would accept. If I could manage to make my posts 80% as informative while reducing their size by 80%, that would be the best case scenario - I would have posts about the size of this one, while hitting on all the points I'm trying to make.
I hope I can do it. That would actually see my posts get read more, allow me to spend less time writing, and just be a win all around. I hate being wordy, but I do try to pack a lot of facts in with my posts. I hope I can do it. 8)
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LOL!!!
I missed the NelsonMuntz piece on me, and was like "I'll go read it later", and somehow managed to not get to it until now, and yet go on in this thread like nothing happened, haha.
Looks to me like I have feared for Ronnie Coleman's health for quite some time now:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=623372.0
I fear for everyone's health! I fear for the health of Marty Champions' 99-year-old grandmother! I fear for her health even more than I fear for Ronnie's health.
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The one thing you can say about Ronnie, is that he has a positive "can do" mindset approach to everything. Even when he was in rehab, he didn't give off a "woe is me" depressed vibe. He was chipper, and approached his rehab like he approached training, "light weight", and was happy. Granted he was in pain. But, I think he does understand that there is a cost to be the boss, and he accepts it.