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They claim 1200 but if that was the case he would have been capable of clean and jerking a lot more
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Not true. There are some power lifters who are at the top of he food chain that can't do 350lbs clean and jerk. There is still a good argument that he was the strongest guy ever. His lifts prior to Dianabol and power lifting gear is insane.
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The problem you'll find is the Anderson's huge lifts are self reported. Most of his other lifts are exhibition ones too. He's generally credited with a #929 squat, his best C/J #440, Olympic Press #408. He's generally considered an OL lifter of the brute force variety.
Bench - don't know, but I'd guess low - mid #500's based on the overhead numbers.
Deadlift - Claims low #800's, but had trouble here -
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Here we go, good article on it -
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/09/paul-andersons-claims-steeve-neece.html .
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Unquestionably strong as a bull and a legend, BUT ...
His squat claims, etc. are bullshit, from a “legal” standpoint.
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A Fine Physique is to maintain with out eating any quality food
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Used to squat for an hour while drinking a gallon of milk. Maybe max numbers were inflated but I bet his training percentages were higher in relation to his max due to all the volume.
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I stood next to him once..
He was about five foot nine and around 360...Big guy but fat...
I saw him stand flat footed and jump up onto a table about 4 foot high...'He was a running back in College at Georgia...
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So know one knows how much he could squat I don't think 1200
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Looked into it more his 460 clean and jerk is the only record you can safely say he accomplished. As his other lifts where performed at carnivals and casino's not the most honest places he is said to have squated 920 in competition but that's debatable on depth. He couldn't bench 640 or what ever that would have been the world record back then still very strong dude but any 360 plus pound man on steroids could get close he would have been on gear to as he was in the Olympics when it was legal to use so the steroids free claim is hard to believe. So still a good lifter but nothing special now a days . The reason his squats are debatable is many say his legs were to fat to make debth
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first pic is the 300 lb db press , a 710 lb deadlift the 545 lb jerk off rack at MB.and the 15.000 dollar squat lift, if anyone could duplicate this lift they got the 15 k from the casino.
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first pic is the 300 lb db press , a 710 lb deadlift the 545 lb jerk off rack at MB.and the 15.000 dollar squat lift, if anyone could duplicate this lift they got the 15 k from the casino.
that's not a 300lb dumbell or a 560 lb jerk I'm even wondering if he had fake weights as his exhibitions where so much more impressive than his competition lifts plus he worked for casino's and carnivals he wasn't squatting 1200 or benching over 600 if I'm wrong so be it
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One thing you got to give the old bastard he had a nice ass
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that's not a 300lb dumbell or a 560 lb jerk I'm even wondering if he had fake weights as his exhibitions where so much more impressive than his competition lifts plus he worked for casino's and carnivals he wasn't squatting 1200 or benching over 600 if I'm wrong so be it
those were the claimed weights. i heard guys often would slip a few dumby plates in for lifting exhibitions.
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One thing you got to give the old bastard he had a nice ass
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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as far as the 6,270 lb backlift i kind of doubt it..lucky if that's 2000 lbs in first pic.
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as far as the 6,270 lb backlift i kind of doubt it..lucky if that's 2000 lbs in first pic.
Anderson's 6,270 lb backlift was supposedly done with a table covered with car parts. But I've never seen a picture of it. It used to be listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the greatest weight ever lifted by a human, but in more recent editions it has been omitted.
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1. He looked like shit
2. Probably diabetic, hypertension, lipids through the roof
3. COULDN'T GET LAID looking like that
he actually was married and ran a youth home.
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Well just working for casino's and carnivals pretty much makes you a con artist
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he actually was married and ran a youth home.
his wife was fairly hot
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Anderson's 6,270 lb backlift was supposedly done with a table covered with car parts. But I've never seen a picture of it. It used to be listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the greatest weight ever lifted by a human, but in more recent editions it has been omitted.
No one's ever seen it outside of people that claim to have been there. Joe Roark rightfully savages the claim here and here -
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/IGH/IGH0701/IGH0701e.pdf .
Newer, and for those that don't want a pdf -
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2017/06/unjustly-curious-paul-anderson-backlift_19.html .
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he actually was married and ran a youth home.
getting married and getting laid dont always go hand in hand.
the discovered a food that cuts your sex drive by 90%
its called wedding cake....
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getting married and getting laid dont always go hand in hand.
the discovered a food that cuts your sex drive by 90%
its called wedding cake....
;D ;D ;D
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If a lift isn’t done in competition or verified on the spot by a neutral and reputable organization, it’s not real. From Paul Anderson to Franco to Arnold to Brad Castleberry....
I thought we all knew that. Geesh
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If a lift isn’t done in competition or verified on the spot by a neutral and reputable organization, it’s not real. From Paul Anderson to Franco to Arnold to Brad Castleberry....
I thought we all knew that. Geesh
I bench 700lbs with my arm in a sling, you are not allowed to call me out on it or I will tell the mods.
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If a lift isn’t done in competition or verified on the spot by a neutral and reputable organization, it’s not real. From Paul Anderson to Franco to Arnold to Brad Castleberry....
I thought we all knew that. Geesh
yeah but Arnold's 500lb bench is more believable because people would have been around and it's not really outlandish . I agree with you Arnold wasn't a strength athele either if your involved in Powerlifting Olympic lifting you would want your claims proven although it's proven he one a old medal even the weights he is doing that if anything don't help his claims. There all just fishing stories have to be. Why wouldn't you do them in competition
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Plus the working for casino's carnivals don't help his case. I don't know why everyone believes these claims with no proof what so ever
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If a lift isn’t done in competition or verified on the spot by a neutral and reputable organization, it’s not real. From Paul Anderson to Franco to Arnold to Brad Castleberry....
I thought we all knew that. Geesh
:o !! You can’t say that about brad !! He’s got videos all over the place to prove it ::)
You’ll be upsetting 1 or 2 of his loyal supporters/ followers on here :'(
It’s god damn real to them.
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Here we go, good article on it -
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/09/paul-andersons-claims-steeve-neece.html .
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I went to school with Steve Neece.
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RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim
When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?
While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?
Let's compare the two gentlemen, here's two candid pics of them to compare from 1976 during the peak of both men's athletic careers:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8226/8555083739_21efa2db15_b.jpg) (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/cb/c4/7ccbc420b3830be5d1a26eb85e45640d.jpg)
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RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim
When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?
While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?
Yep, things he keeps secret and hides when hes benching in front of a crowd of people at meets...
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^^^^Yeah, things like wearing flat shoes, leg drive, bar path, pushing yourself away from the bar, smaller warm up jumps with lesser reps, what accessory lifts correct what weakness , where to bring the bar down, maximizing arch etc,etc,etc, - Doug mastered much of what we take for granted today, he was a true trailblazer in the bench -wouldn't expect bodybuilders to knowabout that though lol........
I challenge you to Train with powerlifters for a week and learn just how much you likely don't know about technique.
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^^^^Yeah, things like wearing flat shoes, leg drive, bar path, pushing yourself away from the bar, smaller warm up jumps with lesser reps, what accessory lifts correct what weakness , where to bring the bar down, maximizing arch etc,etc,etc, - Doug mastered much of what we take for granted today, he was a true trailblazer in the bench -wouldn't expect bodybuilders to knowabout that though lol........
I challenge you to Train with powerlifters for a week and learn just how much you don't know about technique.
I thought they were secrets?
Love the addition of etc, etc, etc......always good to add that because it makes people think you know more than you do...
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I could write an entire page on Doug's contributions to modern bench technique but I respect the fact that you bodybuilders likely don't care about all that - so I made the point and indicated that there is more that I'm (politely) leaving out.
And they were secrets at the time.........to almost everybody but Arnold , the USA Power-lifting team (Which Doug coached) , some NFL players including Doug's brother , and a few who competed with or hung around those guys- regular gym rats had to wait for all that knowledge to filter down .
Here his ex-wife Dawn Allison U.S. National Champion Powerlifter shares some info that puts it into perspective, his techniques are pretty universal now.
I have a deep appreciation for iron history, I guess it shows.
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I could write an entire page on Doug's contributions to modern bench technique but I respect the fact that you bodybuilders likely don't care about all that - so I made the point and indicated that there is more that I'm (politely) leaving out.
I have a deep appreciation for iron history, I guess it shows.
I don't class myself as a bodybuilder, but you are right I don't care about bench press tips..
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RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim
When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?
While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?
Let's compare the two gentlemen, here's two candid pics of them to compare from 1976 during the peak of both men's athletic careers:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8226/8555083739_21efa2db15_b.jpg) (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/cb/c4/7ccbc420b3830be5d1a26eb85e45640d.jpg)
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RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim
When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?
While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?
Let's compare the two gentlemen, here's two candid pics of them to compare from 1976 during the peak of both men's athletic careers:
Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8226/8555083739_21efa2db15_b.jpg) (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/cb/c4/7ccbc420b3830be5d1a26eb85e45640d.jpg)
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I bench 700lbs with my arm in a sling, you are not allowed to call me out on it or I will tell the mods.
lol :)
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:o !! You can’t say that about brad !! He’s got videos all over the place to prove it ::)
You’ll be upsetting 1 or 2 of his loyal supporters/ followers on here :'(
It’s god damn real to them.
Haha - ok - I take it back about Brad :D
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"Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less."
That Doug used test and dbol at least as heavily as any other lifter competing at the world level at that time is certainly indisputable.
The story of his almost unbelievable self transformation is well documented by those around him at the time and has been reported by Terry Todd in his iconic article from which I quote:
"he stepped on the scales of the local gym and weighed 178 pounds. That same day, to test his strength, he worked up in the bench press to a maximum single of 305 pounds. That was on January 26, 1973. Approximately eight months later, on October 1st, 1973, he came back to the gym, weighed in at 260 and worked up in the bench press to a high of 540 pounds. Yes – 540 pounds – a gain of 235 pounds in eight months. These truly incredible gains were made by Doug Young, a man who is now the 242-pound champion of the world. "
No way this occurred without drugs, not in any plausible case scenario , and Doug never claimed so. Doug knew something about how to put eating, drugging and lifting together in such a way that would have made him an expert in his day even without his incredible knack for figuring out technique tweaks that are still used by raw benchers today. I wonder what he and Arnold discussed in terms of maximizing drug use, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have come up.
However, to over-credit the drugs, that every other lifter had easy and equal access to in those days, and discount the training style and genetic potential would be short sighted.
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/doug-deadlift-297x400.jpg)
Speaking of iconic, a popular early eighties cover while still he was still top dog.
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"Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less."
That Doug used test and dbol at least as heavily as any other lifter competing at the world level at that time is certainly indisputable.
The story of his almost unbelievable self transformation is well documented by those around him at the time and has been reported by Terry Todd in his iconic article from which I quote:
"he stepped on the scales of the local gym and weighed 178 pounds. That same day, to test his strength, he worked up in the bench press to a maximum single of 305 pounds. That was on January 26, 1973. Approximately eight months later, on October 1st, 1973, he came back to the gym, weighed in at 260 and worked up in the bench press to a high of 540 pounds. Yes – 540 pounds – a gain of 235 pounds in eight months. These truly incredible gains were made by Doug Young, a man who is now the 242-pound champion of the world. "
No way this occurred without drugs, not in any plausible case scenario , and Doug never claimed so. Doug knew something about how to put eating, drugging and lifting together in such a way that would have made him an expert in his day even without his incredible knack for figuring out technique tweaks that are still used by raw benchers today. I wonder what he and Arnold discussed in terms of maximizing drug use, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have come up.
However, to over-credit the drugs, that every other lifter had easy and equal access to in those days, and discount the training style and genetic potential would be short sighted.
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/doug-deadlift-297x400.jpg)
Speaking of iconic, a popular early eighties cover while still he was still top dog.
One of the greats of powerlifting back then.
Great build - likely could of done well in bodybuilding
Had he chose to pursue that route.
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RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim
When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?
While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?
Let's compare the two gentlemen, here's two candid pics of them to compare from 1976 during the peak of both men's athletic careers:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8226/8555083739_21efa2db15_b.jpg) (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/cb/c4/7ccbc420b3830be5d1a26eb85e45640d.jpg)
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"Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less."
That Doug used test and dbol at least as heavily as any other lifter competing at the world level at that time is certainly indisputable.
The story of his almost unbelievable self transformation is well documented by those around him at the time and has been reported by Terry Todd in his iconic article from which I quote:
I used to see him around town (Lubbock) in the mid 1960's....He was a 215 lb. guard on the Texas Tech football team and the strongest guy also. Tremendous athlete though. I was told he threw the shot 60 feet while weighing only 175....in high school.
"he stepped on the scales of the local gym and weighed 178 pounds. That same day, to test his strength, he worked up in the bench press to a maximum single of 305 pounds. That was on January 26, 1973. Approximately eight months later, on October 1st, 1973, he came back to the gym, weighed in at 260 and worked up in the bench press to a high of 540 pounds. Yes – 540 pounds – a gain of 235 pounds in eight months. These truly incredible gains were made by Doug Young, a man who is now the 242-pound champion of the world. "
No way this occurred without drugs, not in any plausible case scenario , and Doug never claimed so. Doug knew something about how to put eating, drugging and lifting together in such a way that would have made him an expert in his day even without his incredible knack for figuring out technique tweaks that are still used by raw benchers today. I wonder what he and Arnold discussed in terms of maximizing drug use, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have come up.
However, to over-credit the drugs, that every other lifter had easy and equal access to in those days, and discount the training style and genetic potential would be short sighted.
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/doug-deadlift-297x400.jpg)
Speaking of iconic, a popular early eighties cover while still he was still top dog.
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"Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less."
That Doug used test and dbol at least as heavily as any other lifter competing at the world level at that time is certainly indisputable.
The story of his almost unbelievable self transformation is well documented by those around him at the time and has been reported by Terry Todd in his iconic article from which I quote:
"he stepped on the scales of the local gym and weighed 178 pounds. That same day, to test his strength, he worked up in the bench press to a maximum single of 305 pounds. That was on January 26, 1973. Approximately eight months later, on October 1st, 1973, he came back to the gym, weighed in at 260 and worked up in the bench press to a high of 540 pounds. Yes – 540 pounds – a gain of 235 pounds in eight months. These truly incredible gains were made by Doug Young, a man who is now the 242-pound champion of the world. "
No way this occurred without drugs, not in any plausible case scenario , and Doug never claimed so. Doug knew something about how to put eating, drugging and lifting together in such a way that would have made him an expert in his day even without his incredible knack for figuring out technique tweaks that are still used by raw benchers today. I wonder what he and Arnold discussed in terms of maximizing drug use, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have come up.
However, to over-credit the drugs, that every other lifter had easy and equal access to in those days, and discount the training style and genetic potential would be short sighted.
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/doug-deadlift-297x400.jpg)
Speaking of iconic, a popular early eighties cover while still he was still top dog.
They don't make guys like Doug anymore, he broke or dislocated a rib squatting 740lsb and still benched and deadlifted after this and collapsed in pain after a 700lb deadlift walking off stage
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They don't make guys like Doug anymore, he broke or dislocated a rib squatting 740lsb and still benched and deadlifted after this and collapsed in pain after a 700lb deadlift walking off stage
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Doug's brother Bob was even more of a freak. On a high school recruiting trip to U of Texas he walked over to a 315 lb bar on the rack and jerked/pressed it overhead. The head coach at Texas said Bob and one other guy (NFL hall of famer) were the 2 best athletes he ever coached. Bob used to run his 40 yard sprints with the running backs because he was so fast and he was about six three and 280...Spent 12 years in the NFL as an all pro....Both brothers died relatively young.
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The impressive thing about Paul Anderson is that he really was 100% natural. The powerlifters today they are all on steroids
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Doug's brother Bob was even more of a freak. On a high school recruiting trip to U of Texas he walked over to a 315 lb bar on the rack and jerked/pressed it overhead. The head coach at Texas said Bob and one other guy (NFL hall of famer) were the 2 best athletes he ever coached. Bob used to run his 40 yard sprints with the running backs because he was so fast and he was about six three and 280...Spent 12 years in the NFL as an all pro....Both brothers died relatively young.
bob young competed in the nfl's strongest man contest and came in third to mike webster and jon kolb.. alzado bombed out in this contest pretty bad and upped the dose soon after.
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bob young competed in the nfl's strongest man contest and came in third to mike webster and jon kolb.. alzado bombed out in this contest pretty bad and upped the dose soon after.
the events were 350 lb bench press for reps. i don't think alzado got one rep. 500 lb squat for reps, 550 deadlift for reps. cheat curls for reps forget the weight. might have been one other lift.
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The impressive thing about Paul Anderson is that he really was 100% natural. The powerlifters today they are all on steroids
Really - How will ever know one way or the other.
And does it really matter man has been trying & using different potions from Day 1 to improve
Physical performance in one way or another.
Natural - what does that mean. ?
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Tom Walters is in his late 70's early 80's, Marine, Hall of Fame Olympic lifter who still competes in Olympic lifts and powerlifting. He was at a seminar back in the day that Paul Anderson held in Myrtle Beach. Tom says Paul squatted 1100lbs Olympic squat with more in the tank.
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I saw a newspaper photo of Paul Anderson shortly before he died. He was sitting on the edge of his hospital bed holding his I.V.....Article said he was 200 lbs. and on kidney dialysis.
Steroids and kidney failure go together...
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Careful keyboard warrior.
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Really - How will ever know one way or the other.
And does it really matter man has been trying & using different potions from Day 1 to improve
Physical performance in one way or another.
Natural - what does that mean. ?
The only one who really knows is Paul. I trust his word as he lived his life as a man of honor. As for the meaning of natural, I guess it means "on your own". No drugs. No rubber lifting suits. Just you and what the training does for you.
If some think Paul was a liar, then that's on them. I have no problem with Anderson's accomplishments. Same with Steve Reeves. I look at guys like Heath and think that without the dope, they would be so itsy-bitsy-teensie-weensie. And they would. Their natural state is to be small. Yeah, training would help them but they would top out at 165 or so and there's nothing wrong with that but the problem is our egos are the biggest thing on us and it takes over and the next thing you know, you're shooting shit in your butt (no homo alert!).
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Anderson may well have squatted what he claims, MANY powerlifters hit their all time PR's in the gym and NOT on the platform due to various reasons (General nervousness, choking in front of crowds, self conscious -not fully focused, weight cutting, social anxiety, etc.) , the issue (in my mind at least) is more the quality, would his squat have passed in competition? Without photographic evidence we can't know, that's why competition results are the standard.
The unspoken other side of the coin is, what could / did someone like Lee Moran squat in the gym? Ed Coan is full of stories of higher gym lifts than comp lifts that he's done and witnessed. Paul Anderson has a legitimate place as a pioneer in iron history but between his unsubstantiated and patently false claims (Pics clearly reveal poundages lighter than that claimed in some) it's apparent that he had a remarkable gift for self promotion that rivaled his lifting talents.
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The only one who really knows is Paul. I trust his word as he lived his life as a man of honor. As for the meaning of natural, I guess it means "on your own". No drugs. No rubber lifting suits. Just you and what the training does for you.
If some think Paul was a liar, then that's on them. I have no problem with Anderson's accomplishments. Same with Steve Reeves. I look at guys like Heath and think that without the dope, they would be so itsy-bitsy-teensie-weensie. And they would. Their natural state is to be small. Yeah, training would help them but they would top out at 165 or so and there's nothing wrong with that but the problem is our egos are the biggest thing on us and it takes over and the next thing you know, you're shooting shit in your butt (no homo alert!).
I can see where you are coming from.
As for believing what Paul said again that is understandable.
He did live in an era where steroids were legally available & not seen as taboo
As you said only he knows.
I question the Term Natural that is bandied about like some kind of angelic halo
It is in mans nature to push himself / want to be the best & do what he can to achieve that
Natural to me would mean they would shun any & all types of drugs full stop.
No medication from dentists/ doctors / hospitals no caffeine / alcohol nothing nada.
Just look at the absolute bollocks at the olympics - Totally against Drugs ( hmm )
Until they are not well then they can have therapeutic drug use ::) total hypocrisy
You either use drugs or you don’t no grey area no if’s & but’s.
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Paul was the strongest ever WITHOUT steroids
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They claim 1200 but if that was the case he would have been capable of clean and jerking a lot more
Different bars, different weight distribution and no true specialists like we see today. Technique has come a long way bundled with technology / active-feedback to perfect it further, combined with the good old drug-regime.
On a sidenote, it's about goddamn time the IWF reinstates Taranenko's record and stops acting like it never happened.
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You can see Anderson at the end of that.
Also these fellow has Anderson's Powerlifting USA tape from years ago up, if anyone is interested -
www.youtube.com/user/protaktiniumas/videos .
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You can see Anderson at the end of that.
Also these fellow has Anderson's Powerlifting USA tape from years ago up, if anyone is interested -
www.youtube.com/user/protaktiniumas/videos .
Wouldn't Anderson have been flagged there for pushpressing??
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It's extra ugly, but that style of Jerk was legal under the 1956 rules, but I wouldn't want to try and use it now. Anderson is the only guy I can think of that did them that way.
Edit - best defense of of Anderson's odd style I seen:
Dresdin Archibald -
What passed for Paul's clean and jerk was actually a push press. Referees were more generous with his jerks due to his lack of flexibility. And it's also hard to turn down a record lift made in a style more difficult than the orthodox one. But was it a legitimate jerk?
IWF Technical Rule 2.2.2 states, "The athlete bends the legs and extends them as well as the arms to bring the bar to the full stretch of the arms vertically extended." The rule does not state that the legs must split or re-bend in order to lock out the bar. The following faults must also not occur as the jerk is completed:
2.4.3 Uneven or incomplete extension of the arms at the end of the lift.
2.4.4 Pause during the extension of the arms.
2.4.5 Finishing with a press-out.
2.4.6 Bending and extending the elbows during the recovery.
Paul indeed bent his legs and then extended them and drove the bar to full arm extension without any of the above faults. Some claim he pressed out the last couple of inches, but I believe it was only a shoulder shrug that gave that impression. Power jerks utilizing a second dip have been used by a number of athletes over the years, especially lately but this is the only example of a lifter using a push press to "jerk."
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It's extra ugly, but that style of Jerk was legal under the 1956 rules, but I wouldn't want to try and use it now. Anderson is the only guy I can think of that did them that way.
Edit - best defense of of Anderson's odd style I seen:
Dresdin Archibald -
What passed for Paul's clean and jerk was actually a push press. Referees were more generous with his jerks due to his lack of flexibility. And it's also hard to turn down a record lift made in a style more difficult than the orthodox one. But was it a legitimate jerk?
IWF Technical Rule 2.2.2 states, "The athlete bends the legs and extends them as well as the arms to bring the bar to the full stretch of the arms vertically extended." The rule does not state that the legs must split or re-bend in order to lock out the bar. The following faults must also not occur as the jerk is completed:
2.4.3 Uneven or incomplete extension of the arms at the end of the lift.
2.4.4 Pause during the extension of the arms.
2.4.5 Finishing with a press-out.
2.4.6 Bending and extending the elbows during the recovery.
Paul indeed bent his legs and then extended them and drove the bar to full arm extension without any of the above faults. Some claim he pressed out the last couple of inches, but I believe it was only a shoulder shrug that gave that impression. Power jerks utilizing a second dip have been used by a number of athletes over the years, especially lately but this is the only example of a lifter using a push press to "jerk."
2.4.3 Uneven or incomplete extension of the arms at the end of the lift.
This infringement - Left arm.
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Yeah, I would've called it for that too. A lot of Anderson's C/J's, Presses, etc.... have things like that in them. That Paragraph was from
a defense of his whole style though. I've seen all types of descriptions of how he was getting stuff up there. No one really wants to say that he's Clean and Push Pressing it.
He really is a good descriptor of the whole strength vs technique argument OL lifters have.
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I don't need steroids, just like Paul didn't need steroids
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I don't need steroids, just like Paul didn't need steroids
Good for you.
Though you will never know for sure if he did or didn’t use steroids.
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Good for you.
Though you will never know for sure if he did or didn’t use steroids.
Oh he didn't, he was a true Christian. He ate a ton of food. People don't know this, but eating a ton of food to the point you weigh like 400 lbs, plus lifting extremely heavy, makes you super strong, fast, without the need of steroids. But as a bodybuilder I wanna be ripped (perfect six pack) so strength comes very slowly
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Oh he didn't, he was a true Christian. He ate a ton of food. People don't know this, but eating a ton of food to the point you weigh like 400 lbs, plus lifting extremely heavy, makes you super strong, fast, without the need of steroids. But as a bodybuilder I wanna be ripped (perfect six pack) so strength comes very slowly
shut it gimmick...
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"After a guided tour, Mr. Peoples asked if I would care to do some of the deep knee bends that he had heard so much about. I replied that I would. When he asked what I’d like to warm up with I told him that I did very little warming up and asked to put about 600 on the bar. He seemed amazed but he politely proceeded to help Bob Taylor load up the big bar. I then put the bar across my shoulders, stepped back, went into a full deep knee bend and came back up. Being young and sort of frisky, I did a second repetition and then replaced the barbell back on the rack. Mr. Peoples was mighty surprised."
- excerpted from ' MY BEGINNINGS' by Paul Anderson
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Oh he didn't, he was a true Christian. He ate a ton of food. People don't know this, but eating a ton of food to the point you weigh like 400 lbs, plus lifting extremely heavy, makes you super strong, fast, without the need of steroids. But as a bodybuilder I wanna be ripped (perfect six pack) so strength comes very slowly
Jeezus - Man you have so much to learn
1, about Christians
2, about people saying one thing & doing another
3, about eating
4, about training
5, about life in general
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Paul was natural. You'd be surprised at how strong you get if you pigged out everyday while lifting extreme heavy weights
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I admit being troubled by this question. Every day, it festers in my mind alongside whether the inimitable Milo of Crete, early advocate of the bovine progressive overload principle, was really killed and eaten by a superpack of wolves while in midfeat of tearing a tree in half with his powerfully calloused hands. Unlike some Getbigger's bums, these problems are impenetrable. I am vexed sorely (no homo) by the fact that we'll never truly know. Balls!
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I admit being troubled by this question. Every day, it festers in my mind alongside whether the inimitable Milo of Crete, early advocate of the bovine progressive overload principle, was really killed and eaten by a superpack of wolves while in midfeat of tearing a tree in half with his powerfully calloused hands. Unlike some Getbigger's bums, these problems are impenetrable. I am vexed sorely (no homo) by the fact that we'll never truly know. Balls!
Beautifully elusifide.
In the cosmos of chaos, the only real interface is the essence (not the BLACK magazine) of existence.
Having done all that, it bears saying that as you doubtless know bro, when one trains testicles to the partition, there are no barriers to progress. The mind is a turrible thang. Knowhattamean?
'n' sheit. ;D
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I can see where you are coming from.
As for believing what Paul said again that is understandable.
He did live in an era where steroids were legally available & not seen as taboo
As you said only he knows.
I question the Term Natural that is bandied about like some kind of angelic halo
It is in mans nature to push himself / want to be the best & do what he can to achieve that
Natural to me would mean they would shun any & all types of drugs full stop.
No medication from dentists/ doctors / hospitals no caffeine / alcohol nothing nada.
Just look at the absolute bollocks at the olympics - Totally against Drugs ( hmm )
Until they are not well then they can have therapeutic drug use ::) total hypocrisy
You either use drugs or you don’t no grey area no if’s & but’s.
'Natural' in terms of bodybuilding or sport means no use of synthetic hormones, drugs which increase hormone levels beyond what the body for that individual is able to naturally produce.
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'Natural' in terms of bodybuilding or sport means no use of synthetic hormones, drugs which increase hormone levels beyond what the body for that individual is able to naturally produce.
Yes - I know the supposed meaning - I’m pointing out what a joke & hypocrisy it is.
“Natural” is a half assed term
I don’t take / am against drugs unless I’m prescribed them ::) Then they are fine.
Just like the nonsense Theraputic Use Exemptions so many sports people have
Yet they are ‘All Natural’.
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They claim 1200 but if that was the case he would have been capable of clean and jerking a lot more
He was a fat fucking pig. Why does anyone care?
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He was a fat fucking pig. Why does anyone care?
Awwwww...Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the strap-on this morning? ;)
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Did he have any joint problems later in life?
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"In 1954, Paul suffered a series of injuries, including a hip injury from pulling a 3500lb safe that had accidentally frozen to the ground. He also broke his wrist during a world record attempt in Indianapolis, and a short time later, suffered multiple broken ribs from a car accident. Paul rebuilt the cast on his arm using steel rods and supports, so as not to hinder his training." How Paul Anderson Became One of History’s Strongest Humans
By Brooke Siem
The safe that was claimed to weigh 3,500 lbs was found when his daughter had it weighed , to weigh about 1,200 lbs less, so in addition to the backlift entry being removed from Guinness due to 'lack of witnesses', the total weight was also much less than claimed.
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Did he have any joint problems later in life?
not really since his ligaments/joints were so strong
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Just saw this, a legitimate #1200 might happen in the future -
www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1960897844225262&id=100009151964429 .
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Just saw this, a legitimate #1200 might happen in the future -
www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1960897844225262&id=100009151964429 .
My money is on Blaine Sumner
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Just saw this, a legitimate #1200 might happen in the future -
www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1960897844225262&id=100009151964429 .
This is after he blew his knee on 1300+ (geared of course) during a training session at Westside, the new knee is nworking out tremendously.
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My money is on Blaine Sumner
I tend to agree - but only because of hesitance with Vlad's replaced joint, not sure the stability of those under insane loads.
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the most impressive thing is, he did it all without steroids
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the most impressive thing is, he did it all without steroids
Yes of course
And all athletes & sportsmen that beat the drug tests & say they are Christians & don’t use PED’s,
Never Ever Tell Lies.
You carry on believing as you choose
Oh and good for him if he never used PED’s
If he did or didn’t is of no issue to me
Either way he still lifted heavy weights.
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Yes of course
And all athletes & sportsmen that beat the drug tests & say they are Christians & don’t use PED’s,
Never Ever Tell Lies.
You carry on believing as you choose
Oh and good for him if he never used PED’s
If he did or didn’t is of no issue to me
Either way he still lifted heavy weights.
Well, they didn't have drug tests back then. ;D If you get a chance and can see it, there was a film of the first two Mr. Olympias that also has some footage of York Barbell guys and talk of steroid use. No mention was ever made of Anderson and one would think jealousy would've raised it's hyrda heads over that one.
Me? I think Paul was clean but only he knows. Look at Bruce Randall for an example of what weight training and HUGE bodyweight can do for strength. I don't think Randall juiced either. But again, only he would know. Today's "champions"? I suppose they could claim to have never "taken" steroids and honestly so, because they would be thinking someone "gave" them steroids. Totally different wording, huh? ;D
Be well, brother!
Link on Bruce Randall: http://muscleandbrawn.com/mr-universe-bodybuilder-bruce-randall/
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Well, they didn't have drug tests back then. ;D If you get a chance and can see it, there was a film of the first two Mr. Olympias that also has some footage of York Barbell guys and talk of steroid use. No mention was ever made of Anderson and one would think jealousy would've raised it's hyrda heads over that one.
Me? I think Paul was clean but only he knows. Look at Bruce Randall for an example of what weight training and HUGE bodyweight can do for strength. I don't think Randall juiced either. But again, only he would know. Today's "champions"? I suppose they could claim to have never "taken" steroids and honestly so, because they would be thinking someone "gave" them steroids. Totally different wording, huh? ;D
Be well, brother!
Link on Bruce Randall: http://muscleandbrawn.com/mr-universe-bodybuilder-bruce-
Look at the absolute double standards & nonsense going on at the olympics / world championships
All major sporting events
They are all clean & all drug tested & all say they are natural ::)
What more proof do we need.
I’m a realist
I don’t care if they do or don’t use PEDs
I don’t like lies & hypocrisy or them trying to insult my intelligence
I find this whole therapeutic use of drugs situation totally laughable
Oh look we’re 100% Clean & against Drugs
Errrmmm Except when team doctor prescribes them & has a exemption note ::)
Then they ok to use & wont help my performance ::)
As you say Wording is Everything.
;)
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Look at the absolute double standards & nonsense going on at the olympics / world championships
All major sporting events
They are all clean & all drug tested & all say they are natural ::)
What more proof do we need.
I’m a realist
I don’t care if they do or don’t use PEDs
I don’t like lies & hypocrisy or them trying to insult my intelligence
I find this whole therapeutic use of drugs situation totally laughable
Oh look we’re 100% Clean & against Drugs
Errrmmm Except when team doctor prescribes them & has a exemption note ::)
Then they ok to use & wont help my performance ::)
As you say Wording is Everything.
;)
I understand all too well the hypocrisy and to be honest I never watch the Olympics anymore and that is a primary reason. The "women's Olympic weightlifting" is a farce. So too is the men's. Everything is drugs. I can't recall how long ago it was that women swimmers finally began to surpass Johnny Weissmuller's records. Hmmmm...I wonder how?
People don't advance that fast, we don't evolve that fast. But. We do respond to drugs that fast. ;D Sport is nothing anymore. They took away Jim Thorpe's medals but let druggies keep theirs and laud them as athletic heros?
I've listened to idiots talk of how these athletes are totally natural because they passed a farce of a drug test. "Genetic marvels" they call them. Usain Bolt is just another variation on the theme that Lance Armstrong perfected.
So long as these mules are exposed for the addicts they are, they can compete. Women with women. Men with men. No "crossovers". And when they die, no pity. They've got Coleman's Disease. It effects the ego in the same way Acromegaly does the pituitary gland.
But when you get down to it, they will be nothing other than addicts against addicts. Strength can be very addicting, elsewise we would not continue to train in the face of our limits.
;D
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Look at the absolute double standards & nonsense going on at the olympics / world championships
All major sporting events
They are all clean & all drug tested & all say they are natural ::)
What more proof do we need.
I’m a realist
I don’t care if they do or don’t use PEDs
I don’t like lies & hypocrisy or them trying to insult my intelligence
I find this whole therapeutic use of drugs situation totally laughable
Oh look we’re 100% Clean & against Drugs
Errrmmm Except when team doctor prescribes them & has a exemption note ::)
Then they ok to use & wont help my performance ::)
As you say Wording is Everything.
;)
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Well, they didn't have drug tests back then. ;D If you get a chance and can see it, there was a film of the first two Mr. Olympias that also has some footage of York Barbell guys and talk of steroid use. No mention was ever made of Anderson and one would think jealousy would've raised it's hyrda heads over that one.
Me? I think Paul was clean but only he knows. Look at Bruce Randall for an example of what weight training and HUGE bodyweight can do for strength. I don't think Randall juiced either. But again, only he would know. Today's "champions"? I suppose they could claim to have never "taken" steroids and honestly so, because they would be thinking someone "gave" them steroids. Totally different wording, huh? ;D
Be well, brother!
Link on Bruce Randall: http://muscleandbrawn.com/mr-universe-bodybuilder-bruce-randall/
Bruce came to my high school and did a little seminar for us football players...Huge guy and juiced....
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if Paul can do it without drugs, so can I
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if Paul can do it without drugs, so can I
Which is it.
1, Be vastly overweight
2, Squat 1200lbs
3, Both the above.
If it’s the 1200lbs Squat I’d pay good money
To see you do that -
When are you going to do it ??
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Which is it.
1, Be vastly overweight
2, Squat 1200lbs
3, Both the above.
If it’s the 1200lbs Squat I’d pay good money
To see you do that -
When are you going to do it ??
I'm a bodybuilder (perfect six pack, perfect proportions, attaining perfection, bodybuilding, etc) not a powerlifter or strongman (eat all you can eat daily and become 400+ lbs) but I discovered a long time ago that my strength skyrockets, literally, if I ate like a pig, to the point where I gain a lot of fat, my strength gain becomes unusual, this without steroids. I think Paul was the same way (it's a genetics thing)
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I'm a bodybuilder (perfect six pack, perfect proportions, attaining perfection, bodybuilding, etc) not a powerlifter or strongman (eat all you can eat daily and become 400+ lbs) but I discovered a long time ago that my strength skyrockets, literally, if I ate like a pig, to the point where I gain a lot of fat, my strength gain becomes unusual, this without steroids. I think Paul was the same way (it's a genetics thing)
Good for you - Tell me more
As I know a little bit about strength training.
As By the way I’ve won 3 national powerlifting championships
( it was many yrs ago ) Before I learnt about steroids
My regret is not using the steroids back then as I would’ve had
A good chance of winning a world championship.
Have you won National powerlifting / weightlifting titles ?
I’d say it’s a fair bet my genetics are ok.
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Good for you - Tell me more
As I know a little bit about strength training.
As By the way I’ve won 3 national powerlifting championships
( it was many yrs ago ) Before I learnt about steroids
My regret is not using the steroids back then as I would’ve had
A good chance of winning a world championship.
Have you won National powerlifting / weightlifting titles ?
I’d say it’s a fair bet my genetics are ok.
I only competed once in powerlifting (USAPL) and yes I won a medal, but nowadays I'm strictly a bodybuilder. I'm lifetime natty though, no steroids
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I only competed once in powerlifting (USAPL) and yes I won a medal, but nowadays I'm strictly a bodybuilder. I'm lifetime natty though, no steroids
You were commenting on your Genetics for strength
Did you win your weight class ?
Good for you if you choose not to use steroids
Only it doesn’t make you a better person than those of us
Who choose to use
I didn’t when I won my nationals - I wish I had though.
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You were commenting on your Genetics for strength
Did you win your weight class ?
Good for you if you choose not to use steroids
Only it doesn’t make you a better person than those of us
Who choose to use
I didn’t when I won my nationals - I wish I had though.
it does make you a better person because it's not cheating, taking steroids is cheating, don't kid yourself. and yes I won my weight category
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it does make you a better person because it's not cheating, taking steroids is cheating, don't kid yourself. and yes I won my weight category
Wrong it doesn’t make you a better person for not taking steroids
I’m not a worse person for using steroids as compared to when I wasn’t
Matter of opinion if it’s cheating
& depending in what you compete in there may not even test or have rules against steroid usage.
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Wrong it doesn’t make you a better person for not taking steroids
I’m not a worse person for using steroids as compared to when I wasn’t
Matter of opinion if it’s cheating
& depending in what you compete in there may not even test or have rules against steroid usage.
yes but there's a moral component to all this, you are hurting your body by taking steroids, and this is wrong, if that's what you wanna do, be my guest, but don't act like ''you are not doing anything wrong''
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yes but there's a moral component to all this, you are hurting your body by taking steroids, and this is wrong, if that's what you wanna do, be my guest, but don't act like ''you are not doing anything wrong''
There isn’t any moral component at all
Only the ones self imposed
And what exactly am I doing wrong
As for hurting ones body - Come on Really that’s the best you can say.
The list of everyday things that are know to be far more damaging to the human body
Is very very long - Are they Morally wrong & cheating if they aid performance.
How many millions of men & women & children throughout the world are taking prescribed
Steroids ( my young son included for years on end )
So these Nasty steroids will aid & benefit those having them prescribed
And damage us that don’t have them prescribed.
Very clever these steroids.
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There isn’t any moral component at all
Only the ones self imposed
And what exactly am I doing wrong
As for hurting ones body - Come on Really that’s the best you can say.
The list of everyday things that are know to be far more damaging to the human body
Is very very long - Are they Morally wrong & cheating if they aid performance.
How many millions of men & women & children throughout the world are taking prescribed
Steroids ( my young son included for years on end )
So these Nasty steroids will aid & benefit those having them prescribed
And damage us that don’t have them prescribed.
Very clever these steroids.
also there's the legality aspect of this, steroids are illegal, which means it's wrong
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also there's the legality aspect of this, steroids are illegal, which means it's wrong
You are not doing very well are you.
You’re unable to refute what I have said or provide any conclusive proof or argument
And yet again you make a wrong statement - Depending in which country you are living in
steroids May be perfectly legal to buy & use.
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You are not doing very well are you.
You’re unable to refute what I have said or provide any conclusive proof or argument
And yet again you make a wrong statement - Depending in which country you are living in
steroids May be perfectly legal to buy & use.
just admit it, taking steroids is wrong and it's cheating
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just admit it, taking steroids is wrong and it's cheating
Ha ha ha
Game over
Clearly you’ve lost the debate
No logical / rational answers just rhetoric.
Taking steroids is good & not wrong.
You are more than likely also a religious person at a guess.
End of conversation.
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Ha ha ha
Game over
Clearly you’ve lost the debate
No logical / rational answers just rhetoric.
Taking steroids is good & not wrong.
You are more than likely also a religious person at a guess.
End of conversation.
yes I'm Christian, why? is this bad? Jesus is Lord
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yes I'm Christian, why? is this bad? Jesus is Lord
why did God invent steroids?
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yes but there's a moral component to all this, you are hurting your body by taking steroids, and this is wrong, if that's what you wanna do, be my guest, but don't act like ''you are not doing anything wrong''
And....People taking them are phonies/posers and generally liars.....I hate posers and liars.....
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Better question. Are there any getbiggerz stronger than Paul Anderson??
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And....People taking them are phonies/posers and generally liars.....I hate posers and liars.....
I use PEDs and i’m Neither Phony / Poser or a Liar
Likely as Much or Less than you are.
As I don’t think I’m above or better than others who don’t use PEDs
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why did God invent steroids?
God did NOT invent steroids, men did
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Paul Anderson was a fucking lard ass.
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Paul Anderson was a fucking lard ass.
and that was his secret for his strength
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I use PEDs and i’m Neither Phony / Poser or a Liar
Likely as Much or Less than you are.
As I don’t think I’m above or better than others who don’t use PEDs
Fake body dependent on a regular supply of drugs=poser/phony...
People ask if you take steroids and you deny it=liar.......
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Fake body dependent on a regular supply of drugs=poser/phony...
People ask if you take steroids and you deny it=liar.......
Hmmm if you say so.
Wrong people ask me if I use steroids I tell them Yes
I’m a adult & make a choice to use them
I have no need or desire to lie to people about it
You have zero idea how I look physique wise
And as of now no one has noticed if I’m using
& when i’m Not using.
Are you Mentally retarded / special needs
As you come across that you are.
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only true natties have dignity, people who cheat have NO dignity
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only true natties have dignity, people who cheat have NO dignity
is taking any medication cheating?
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is taking any medication cheating?
This is my point exactly
To many of these “Naturals” there hypocrisy is beyond baffling
Taking prescribed medication is ok & not harmful & not cheating ::)
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is taking any medication cheating?
medication is ok because sometimes it's needed (but it's best to avoid, if possible)
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is taking any medication cheating?
Seriously? This reeks of pure desperation. Why would you, an otherwise intelligent man proffer such a question? It is ridiculous to have done so. The only point it makes is that you had no point to make.
Do you wish to know a simple answer to your question? Okay...Some medication helps you to cheat death. Some to cheat illness. All to cheat the fates, if you will. The same is true of surgery.
Everyone here knows the point all too well that most folk consider taking anabolic steroids to be (at least) to some degree, cheating. And we all know why. To some degree it is. Even when "everyone" is taking them. Why? Because not everyone is. And so it becomes not a matter of it is what it is, but rather it is what we choose to make of it.
Coleman made a mess of it. Fuck him. He deserves his hell on Earf. I would say the majority of those here that do take AAS do not deserve the fate of Coleman. Because taking AAS like today's "pros" do does not make you an idiot. What it does is make you a larger idiot.
Agree to disagree in an agreeable manner, lads! ;D
Or not! ;D ;D
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also there's the legality aspect of this, steroids are illegal, which means it's wrong
Err illegal means they are illegal but it doesn't mean its wrong....
You are mixing law and morals...
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Getbig menza loosing its shit over whether chemical enhancements is cheating:
Simply put: no
Anyone in any field of competition is looking for a competitive edge (those who are not are not competing or competitive and should not be considered as such), by looking for a competitive edge by default people will attempt to differentiate themselves from others thus an equal or level playing field is not applicable. Meaning that those who actually go through the effort of shooting things in their body are simply willing to take more drastic steps.
Sanctioned medical aids is a shady field to begin with and we've seen many dynamic shifts in banning of substances or lifting of bans depending on degrees of abuse. You can't possibly argue that prescription drug-use does not provide an edge, because it does, or they wouldn't be taking it.
In any case, does it matter? no. If I want to see people run 60m dashes in 20 seconds I'll go by the local high-school. Same applies for all sports.
As far as people using substances in the gym, that's up to them, it's recreational and not directed at sports. If they then act as if they're better or flaunt their "gainzzz" they're simply acting as moronic fools, as they perceive competition that is simply not there and only in their minds, which means they're insecure and delusional.
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Seriously? This reeks of pure desperation. Why would you, an otherwise intelligent man proffer such a question? It is ridiculous to have done so. The only point it makes is that you had no point to make.
Do you wish to know a simple answer to your question? Okay...Some medication helps you to cheat death. Some to cheat illness. All to cheat the fates, if you will. The same is true of surgery.
Everyone here knows the point all too well that most folk consider taking anabolic steroids to be (at least) to some degree, cheating. And we all know why. To some degree it is. Even when "everyone" is taking them. Why? Because not everyone is. And so it becomes not a matter of it is what it is, but rather it is what we choose to make of it.
Coleman made a mess of it. Fuck him. He deserves his hell on Earf. I would say the majority of those here that do take AAS do not deserve the fate of Coleman. Because taking AAS like today's "pros" do does not make you an idiot. What it does is make you a larger idiot.
Agree to disagree in an agreeable manner, lads! ;D
Or not! ;D ;D
We will have to agree to disagree on this subject
As I’ve had “success “ Both as a “Natural” & when taking
PEDs - I don’t think I was cheated on by those whom likely
Were using when I wasn’t & Ive Zero thoughts or feelings of
I cheated when using.
How do we square the circle. ?
Are students studying for exams Cheating
When they use Smart drugs to stay focused
caffeine & other stimulants to keep awake
And study for exams.
As they are boosting & exceeding What their
Minds & bodies can do “Naturally”
So let’s now label all the doctors & academics
Cheats if they used those drugs
And let’s ban them Because they didn’t do it
“Naturally”
Man has sought to find food / drink / herbs / chemicals
To boost & increase his “Natural” Level of performance
Since Day one.
It is inbuilt & part of mankind.
To those of you who choose not to use PEDs & specifically
Those related to getting bigger & stronger
Good for you - I’m happy for you
Though you are not a better person than Me or others
That choose to use them.
Stop with the holier than thou Nonsense
It’s deeming to your intelligence
Enjoy what you are doing ( or not doing )
And leave others to enjoy doing as they wish
With Their Bodies.
:o phew - I’ve written nearly as much as Matt or esf :'(
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We will have to agree to disagree on this subject
As I’ve had “success “ Both as a “Natural” & when taking
PEDs - I don’t think I was cheated on by those whom likely
Were using when I wasn’t & Ive Zero thoughts or feelings of
I cheated when using.
How do we square the circle. ?
Are students studying for exams Cheating
When they use Smart drugs to stay focused
caffeine & other stimulants to keep awake
And study for exams.
As they are boosting & exceeding What their
Minds & bodies can do “Naturally”
So let’s now label all the doctors & academics
Cheats if they used those drugs
And let’s ban them Because they didn’t do it
“Naturally”
Man has sought to find food / drink / herbs / chemicals
To boost & increase his “Natural” Level of performance
Since Day one.
It is inbuilt & part of mankind.
To those of you who choose not to use PEDs & specifically
Those related to getting bigger & stronger
Good for you - I’m happy for you
Though you are not a better person than Me or others
That choose to use them.
Stop with the holier than thou Nonsense
It’s deeming to your intelligence
Enjoy what you are doing ( or not doing )
And leave others to enjoy doing as they wish
With Their Bodies.
:o phew - I’ve written nearly as much as Matt or esf :'(
Difference is yours makes sense...