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The Master explains.
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Good find, a beast back in his day Mark was......
(https://www.t-nation.com/system/publishing/article_assets/1414/original/Rippetoe-Heavy-Deadlift.jpg?ts=1421271599 ;D)
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The Master explains.
Hmmm He knows his anatomy & biomechanics
A lot of talking for very little relevant information
He could of easily condensed that into a few minutes max
Lesson No.1 how to bore your students.
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Hmmm He knows his anatomy & biomechanics
A lot of talking for very little relevant information
He could of easily condensed that into a few minutes max
Lesson No.1 how to bore your students.
True but is he correct also if you earn a living from it you got to juice it up...no pun intended..
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I'm beginning to think deadlifts build a better lower body then squats for most, it's not really your quads that matter as much as your butt hamstrings plus deadlifts thicken your upper back traditional deadlifts Trump squats for the average person
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I can drive my deadlift up with squats only, at least for a while - but the reverse is not true (for me).
As for aesthetics? In my opinion using Romanian dead-lifts and front squats for the main hip hinge and knee extension movements produce the most mass on the lower body while still creating strength ultimately transferable to the powerlifts when one switches back.
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I'm beginning to think deadlifts build a better lower body then squats for most, it's not really your quads that matter as much as your butt hamstrings plus deadlifts thicken your upper back traditional deadlifts Trump squats for the average person
Agreed.
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I'm beginning to think deadlifts build a better lower body then squats for most, it's not really your quads that matter as much as your butt hamstrings plus deadlifts thicken your upper back traditional deadlifts Trump squats for the average person
I disagree. Squats train Quads,Hamstrings, depending how you do them. This is the key. You need to find a good powerlifter to show you. Not a fitness trainer clown.
I can drive my deadlift up with squats only, at least for a while - but the reverse is not true (for me).
As for aesthetics? In my opinion using Romanian dead-lifts and front squats for the main hip hinge and knee extension movements produce the most mass on the lower body while still creating strength ultimately transferable to the powerlifts when one switches back.
good post but back squat will always win..
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I disagree. Squats train Quads,Hamstrings, depending how you do them. This is the key. You need to find a good powerlifter to show you. Not a fitness trainer clown. good post but back squat will always win..
This hamstrings play a small role at the bottom of squats when the pelvis tilts anteriorly. That creates a stretch reflex response at the “Proximal” end, causing the hams to contract, but it’s not an active contraction. The lion’s share of the work is being done by the glutes and the quads. The former pulls the femur back down and pushes the pelvis forward and up. The latter pushes the femur down and back and the tibia up and back.
An exercise that he left out that would get the hamstrings into the shortest possible position is sprinting.
Good find, btw.
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we sit down, we stand up again...
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we sit down, we stand up again...
well that is why the Squat is so important.
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well that is why the Squat is so important.
my grandad managed to sit down and stand up for 87 years, he never put a barbell on his back.
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my grandad managed to sit down and stand up for 87 years, he never put a barbell on his back.
Thank you for your intelligent, relevant input.
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This hamstrings play a small role at the bottom of squats when the pelvis tilts anteriorly. That creates a stretch reflex response at the “Proximal” end, causing the hams to contract, but it’s not an active contraction. The lion’s share of the work is being done by the glutes and the quads. The former pulls the femur back down and pushes the pelvis forward and up. The latter pushes the femur down and back and the tibia up and back.
An exercise that he left out that would get the hamstrings into the shortest possible position is sprinting.
Good find, btw.
The lower i go the more Hamstrings are trained. you can't isolate any muscle so all muscles work together..so the squat is more complicated as you think. Leg press foot position is also good.
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Thank you for your intelligent, relevant input.
thank you for another bullshit gimmick thread...
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thank you for another bullshit gimmick thread...
you will never reach your true potential.
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you will never reach your true potential.
Quite ironic to hear those words from you Donny
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does he talk about how shitty the hamstrings are to people squatting? how they only got 50% leg development?
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This hamstrings play a small role at the bottom of squats when the pelvis tilts anteriorly. That creates a stretch reflex response at the “Proximal” end, causing the hams to contract, but it’s not an active contraction. The lion’s share of the work is being done by the glutes and the quads. The former pulls the femur back down and pushes the pelvis forward and up. The latter pushes the femur down and back and the tibia up and back.
An exercise that he left out that would get the hamstrings into the shortest possible position is sprinting.
Good find, btw.
There is one thing that Rippetoe left out (actually several because I don't agree with most of his analogies when it comes to squatting) and that's base (foot stance). I'm assuming he's not mentioning it because he uses more of traditional stance. That being said, that tends to make people more quad dominant because you're not recruiting the hamstings nearly as much as if you were going a wider stance. Wider stance (wider than shoulder width) will infact recruit much more of the entire posterior chain than the more traditional squat.
If we get into the knee pain debate, IMO, it's because of weak hamstrings (quad dominance) since the hamstrings are a flexor to the knee. When it comes to the stretch-short cycle (we train the shit of it) again, IMO, can be seen in two ways and regardless of which ways, you're still utilizing stored elastic energy.
1. In a squat, using submaximal weights (55-70%) with a 3-0-1 tempo or adding bands at less percentage using a 2-0-1 tempo
2. Plyo's would be just one of the best examples of SSC utilizing stored elastic energy. But there's many forms of plyometrics, not just box jumps
As seen here..
https://instagram.com/p/Bb2TF3lBQJW/
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Good hamstrings ,glutes Trump good quads the deadlift is superior for your average lifter not to mention the back thickness I'mbonly talking conventional deadlifts not sumo
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Squats is better than deadlifts is totally bro science
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does he talk about how shitty the hamstrings are to people squatting? how they only got 50% leg development?
The hamstrings role in hip extension is more that of a stabilizer muscle than a primary mover. That’s why you don’t see big hams among people who only do squats for legs.
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No one talks about the glute muscle. It's the muscle that draws the femur backwards. It incredibly important to sprinting and jumping. Of course no muscle works in isolation but there is too much talk of the quad in sport when it's the glute that's doing the lion's share in my many athletics from kinesiology evaluation.
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No one talks about the glute muscle. It's the muscle that draws the femur backwards. It incredibly important to sprinting and jumping. Of course no muscle works in isolation but there is too much talk of the quad in sport when it's the glute that's doing the lion's share in my many athletics from kinesiology evaluation.
hahaha, its all everyone talks about on this forum....
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No one talks about the glute muscle. It's the muscle that draws the femur backwards. It incredibly important to sprinting and jumping. Of course no muscle works in isolation but there is too much talk of the quad in sport when it's the glute that's doing the lion's share in my many athletics from kinesiology evaluation.
I usually don’t mention it specifically because I’m usually speaking of the posterior chain as a whole. I swear by the GHR. If you want to jump high and increase explosiveness, that’s it.
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hahaha, its all everyone talks about on this forum....
"Glutes are the new abs"
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No one talks about the glute muscle. It's the muscle that draws the femur backwards. It incredibly important to sprinting and jumping. Of course no muscle works in isolation but there is too much talk of the quad in sport when it's the glute that's doing the lion's share in my many athletics from kinesiology evaluation.
yes if your trying to pick up whores having a nice ass goes far and hamstrings
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The hamstrings role in hip extension is more that of a stabilizer muscle than a primary mover. That’s why you don’t see big hams among people who only do squats for legs.
yes but people keep talking about squats when theyre talking about leg development which isnt telling the whole story
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No one talks about the glute muscle. It's the muscle that draws the femur backwards. It incredibly important to sprinting and jumping. Of course no muscle works in isolation but there is too much talk of the quad in sport when it's the glute that's doing the lion's share in my many athletics from kinesiology evaluation.
yes the big asses of sprinters and fighters like tyron woodley cannot be underestimated
(https://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/tyron-woodley-ultimate-fighting-championship-autographed-8-x-10-ufc-201-knockout-celebration-photograph8-t6456965-2000.jpg)
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I'm beginning to think deadlifts build a better lower body then squats for most, it's not really your quads that matter as much as your butt hamstrings plus deadlifts thicken your upper back traditional deadlifts Trump squats for the average person
Hmmm - Deadlifts are a very good overall mass / strength builder
I don’t think they are better overall lower body building exercise than various
Forms of squatting- look at Olympic weightlifters they spend a lot of time squatting
Fronts & backs also cleans & power cleans not so much just deadlifting
And they generally have great lower body development & overall power / strength.
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The hamstrings role in hip extension is more that of a stabilizer muscle than a primary mover. That’s why you don’t see big hams among people who only do squats for legs.
Hip extension is the main function of the hamstrings! Yeah sure, they flex the knee too but that's only one head of the muscle.
A stiff legged deadlift or good morning is essentially pure hip extension, and those exercises target the glutes & hamstrings. Minimal quad involvement. Do you disagree with this?
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Hip extension is the main function of the hamstrings! Yeah sure, they flex the knee too but that's only one head of the muscle.
A stiff legged deadlift or good morning is essentially pure hip extension, and those exercises target the glutes & hamstrings. Minimal quad involvement. Do you disagree with this?
traditional deadlifts do well also plus work the upper back and quads to I agree with you though all these are better than leg curls
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Yes if having a strong ass is more important than anything. In fighting, football, hitting and throwing. Leg curls ready don't do shit or very little pretty much a waste of time
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Hip extension is the main function of the hamstrings! Yeah sure, they flex the knee too but that's only one head of the muscle.
A stiff legged deadlift or good morning is essentially pure hip extension, and those exercises target the glutes & hamstrings. Minimal quad involvement. Do you disagree with this?
Yes I do. The primary mover in those exercises are the spinal erectors. They extend the hip and as well as the torso.
(http://slideplayer.com/slide/8083235/25/images/35/Erector+spinae+Insertion:.jpg)
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Yes I do. The primary mover in those exercises are the spinal erectors. They extend the hip and as well as the torso.
(http://slideplayer.com/slide/8083235/25/images/35/Erector+spinae+Insertion:.jpg)
yes that's why I say why not traditional deadlift to get all the other muscle groups involved
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Craig "Killer " Titus some of the best Hams ever. He gave up doing heavy squats for good...
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No one talks about the glute muscle. It's the muscle that draws the femur backwards. It incredibly important to sprinting and jumping. Of course no muscle works in isolation but there is too much talk of the quad in sport when it's the glute that's doing the lion's share in my many athletics from kinesiology evaluation.
Tight muscular Buns are a must & as you pointed out important in many sports. THE SQUAT IS THE KING.
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Squats is better than deadlifts is totally bro science
It's common sense. You can't develop a lower body with Deadlifts like you can with the squat. People are just wimping out of doing them. Hard ass, balls to walls Squats. you have to use them at least in the beginning as Yates did for that foundation of mass & strength..note the word STRENGTH. REAL MUSCLE.
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This hamstrings play a small role at the bottom of squats when the pelvis tilts anteriorly. That creates a stretch reflex response at the “Proximal” end, causing the hams to contract, but it’s not an active contraction. The lion’s share of the work is being done by the glutes and the quads. The former pulls the femur back down and pushes the pelvis forward and up. The latter pushes the femur down and back and the tibia up and back.
Good find, btw.
Must say you Sir seem wery knowegable in anatomy.
What is Your occupation if i can ask? ;D
And i heard that about sprinting.
Use some form of it running up and down a hump of sand.
Also jumps to front and side to side.
Of course Squat is my main movement.
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:)
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Hardcore training. This dude knows
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Must say you Sir seem wery knowegable in anatomy.
What is Your occupation if i can ask? ;D
And i heard that about sprinting.
Use some form of it running up and down a hump of sand.
Also jumps to front and side to side.
Of course Squat is my main movement.
Thanks👍 I worked as a trainer way back in the day before you even needed a certification to get a gig. But I got out of that business. I’ve also studied a lot of martial arts and tried to learn as much as I could about the biomechanics behind them. It’s an incredibly complex subject. That’s why I give Rippeto credit. At least he tries to tackle it.
As far as the best hamstring exercise, I would have to go with the single leg leg-curl. It allows you to keep your hips extended better than the two legged version.
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Thanks👍 I worked as a trainer way back in the day before you even needed a certification to get a gig. But I got out of that business. I’ve also studied a lot of martial arts and tried to learn as much as I could about the biomechanics behind them. It’s an incredibly complex subject. That’s why I give Rippeto credit. At least he tries to tackle it.
As far as the best hamstring exercise, I would have to go with the single leg leg-curl. It allows you to keep your hips extended better than the two legged version.
bullshit just like martial arts
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Hardcore training. This dude knows
I like how he has a special place for his brushes and dustpan yet the place is an absolute shithole
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I'm not arguing that squats will build bigger legs , deadlifts will build more asthetic legs for the average person.
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I'm not arguing that squats will build bigger legs , deadlifts will build more asthetic legs for the average person.
well if you want to do that you would be better with barbell hacks. Bertil Fox did these & he was strong indeed.
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Danny Padilla another great bodybuilder..
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I'm not arguing that squats will build bigger legs , deadlifts will build more asthetic legs for the average person.
I agree, deadlifts alone are still going to build legs.
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I agree, deadlifts alone are still going to build legs.
Another argument for deadlifts is that they don’t require that a metal bar dig into your upper back.
That said, for the average person just looking for overall strength and fitness, and not maximum size, bodyweight squats are a very good option.
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Another argument for deadlifts is that they don’t require that a metal bar dig into your upper back.
That said, for the average person just looking for overall strength and fitness, and not maximum size, bodyweight squats are a very good option.
Pre-exhaust the Quads yes but alone free hand squats(one legged better) won't cut it. Listen to the plates rattle when platz squats...music bro...music.
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Another argument for deadlifts is that they don’t require that a metal bar dig into your upper back.
That said, for the average person just looking for overall strength and fitness, and not maximum size, bodyweight squats are a very good option.
A good video about squats & lower back strength. Good video overall. you need to train lower back & squat.
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Yes I do. The primary mover in those exercises are the spinal erectors. They extend the hip and as well as the torso.
(http://slideplayer.com/slide/8083235/25/images/35/Erector+spinae+Insertion:.jpg)
No they do not. You will not find a single credible source stating that the spinal erector muscles are primary movers in hip extension. It is patently false.
Your understanding of biomechanics is deeply flawed, but it's never too late to learn.
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I like how he has a special place for his brushes and dustpan yet the place is an absolute shithole
lol
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No they do not. You will not find a single credible source stating that the spinal erector muscles are primary movers in hip extension. It is patently false.
Your understanding of biomechanics is deeply flawed, but it's never too late to learn.
turning into a great Thread. Although people think it's a simple exercise the squat is complicated. Stands to reason as it trains the whole Lower Body.
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wow, she don't give up.
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Craig "Killer " Titus some of the best Hams ever. He gave up doing heavy squats for good...
Fucking gorgeous. Notice that when Craig is around EVERY other male instantly becomes a beta.
No man on the planet was sexier, especially when Craiggers was shredded.
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for me squats are all quads. My hamstrings are better worked by deadlifts
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for me squats are all quads. My hamstrings are better worked by deadlifts
Maybe but i see a lot of people who can't squat because of flexibility issues..Hamstrings & ankles.
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Today is leg day... :)
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Must say you Sir seem wery knowegable in anatomy.
What is Your occupation if i can ask? ;D
And i heard that about sprinting.
Use some form of it running up and down a hump of sand.
Also jumps to front and side to side.
Of course Squat is my main movement.
Squats have to be the meat & Bones of any leg workout. Any serious workout. Hacks are OK but not the main exercise as some use them.
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call me crazy, but squats and deadlifts give me the most size
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call me crazy, but squats and deadlifts give me the most size
Deadlifts more so for me.
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Deadlifts more so for me.
and bench press gives me the most upper body size
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and bench press gives me the most upper body size
the upper Body squat...!
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Try squats & Military press for upper Body. Standing press is also a Mark of real strength
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the upper Body squat...!
I'm not gonna lie, the squats hit my lats a lot
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Try squats & Military press for upper Body. Standing press is also a Mark of real strength
I do standing military press, but nothing works my upper body like the bench press