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Anybody know this guys background?, comes across very knowledgable and suggests that you can get national level size or atleast that he did using only 750-900mg test, 600 eq and 6iu of gh.
Clearly this seems to conflict with the ever increasing amounts of information and insider knowledge that spills into circulation from time to time.
Weirdly enough though his dosing and protocols on insulin vere toward the higher and more dangerous side encorperating humalog ontop of lantus.
I see some praising and others calling him out as a liar and massive abuser that cant admit his failiures despite the fact.
Anybody with any real info have the low down?
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This guy is a science project, using Synthol and all sorts of shit. He's lying most likely. Apparently now he is just "trt" lol
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1.5g of gear, 6IU of pharm GH, and insulin sounds like it could be enough to get to national level size
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is this tard thread about 'muh steroids'? its genetic... take a little, take a lot... looking good is about genetics
if u have to ask...
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Some folks claim incredibly high doses and look like they don't even lift, others take small amounts and blow up, most fall somewhere inbetween the two extremes. Those saying it's all steroids only sound intelligent to those without experience, minimizing the training importance is just noob as fuck.
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Anybody know this guys background?, comes across very knowledgable and suggests that you can get national level size or atleast that he did using only 750-900mg test, 600 eq and 6iu of gh.
Clearly this seems to conflict with the ever increasing amounts of information and insider knowledge that spills into circulation from time to time.
Weirdly enough though his dosing and protocols on insulin vere toward the higher and more dangerous side encorperating humalog ontop of lantus.
I see some praising and others calling him out as a liar and massive abuser that cant admit his failiures despite the fact.
Anybody with any real info have the low down?
That’s not unrealistic at all - depends on his genetic response to training & drugs
His recovery & nutritional intake
That amount of gear & GH is enough.
I’ve got 4 men & 1 female to national 1 of them placing a very controversial 2nd place in the super heavyweights on smaller amounts & 4iu GH.
Genetics - Good ones make the difference - Elite ones & you have top level pro’s
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Bostin Loyd says everything this guy says is BS.
Apparently preps his clients on megadoses but has never used more than 750mg test and 4iu hgh himself ::)
Apparently use to prep clients on DNP until one or two died now won't even speak on it
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lol, Bostin just trolls people. Can’t believe people believe him and think everyone else is lying. He lies as much or more than any competitor. No one would talk about him if he didn’t.
Matt seems cool, I see him at LVAC occasionally. He’s not super big in person or anywhere close to pro size. Doses for his size are believable imo.
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One observation: if you look at old pics of him,
when he first competed he had real small arms
that looked like they had very poor growth potential,
flat bellies etc. Now his arms basically make his whole
physique. Crazy gains on the arms specifically. He says
he used to put all the gear in his triceps but stopped
when they started to look weird. If it's true and there is no SEO then it's amazing.
He seems pretty honest but who knows.
Even Bostin says Matt's current claimed use could be true, he doesn't believe the past claimed dosages. Bostin isn't the smartest though, and he has no filter either. Bostin will develop in a more modeeate direction like the others, he's still young. He is already talking about using less, relying on diet and so on.
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One observation: if you look at old pics of him,
when he first competed he had real small arms
that looked like they had very poor growth potential,
flat bellies etc. Now his arms basically make his whole
physique. Crazy gains on the arms specifically. He says
he used to put all the gear in his triceps but stopped
when they started to look weird. If it's true and there is no SEO then it's amazing.
He seems pretty honest but who knows.
Even Bostin says Matt's current claimed use could be true, he doesn't believe the past claimed dosages. Bostin isn't the smartest though, and he has no filter either. Bostin will develop in a more modeeate direction like the others, he's still young. He is already talking about using less, relying on diet and so on.
You mean relying on training
Diet means literally nothing
Its me eating chocolate cake and cheese fried in butter for by brekkie
An skinfold is 3 mm
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You mean relying on training
Diet means literally nothing
Its me eating chocolate cake and cheese fried in butter for by brekkie
An skinfold is 3 mm
idiot......
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Even Bostin says Matt's current claimed use could be true, he doesn't believe the past claimed dosages. Bostin isn't the smartest though, and he has no filter either. Bostin will develop in a more modeeate direction like the others, he's still young. He is already talking about using less, relying on diet and so on.
For Bostin he does have people.coming to him from other coaches and he sees the 'real' dosages they are given by people. That part is believable.
But thats been going on for many hears. Trainers on boards spouting low dose only required but they'd give their real clients mega dose guides.
Its trainer Marketing hype just like the supplement industry. Hey i only use trt and look at me because i know the REAL secret.......... Even the real pros chop and change their coaches in the hope of finding the secret.
The grass is always greener on the otherside.
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For Bostin he does have people.coming to him from other coaches and he sees the 'real' dosages they are given by people. That part is believable.
But thats been going on for many hears. Trainers on boards spouting low dose only required but they'd give their real clients mega dose guides.
Its trainer Marketing hype just like the supplement industry. Hey i only use trt and look at me because i know the REAL secret.......... Even the real pros chop and change their coaches in the hope of finding the secret.
The grass is always greener on the otherside.
Yup with the information easily available today thanks to forums, social media etc. these bodybuilders can no longer
lie about being natty so the new trend is to admit using but a quarter what they really use lol
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idiot......
You really believe that if I exchanges my choc cake and cheese fried in butter for oatmeal and egg whites it would make a diff?
No, it wouldn't, look how good I look can't improve it much as far as detail separation conditioning go ;)
Size yeah OK, but I could take care of that EASILY by training harder and heavier and takening more test and throwing in drol
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You really believe that if I exchanges my choc cake and cheese fried in butter for oatmeal and egg whites it would make a diff?
No, it wouldn't, look how good I look can't improve it much as far as detail separation conditioning go ;)
Size yeah OK, but I could take care of that EASILY by training harder and heavier and takening more test and throwing in drol
fact remains you are an anorexic stick insect and you couldn't gain size if your life depended on it.
Hope that helps...
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fact remains you are an anorexic stick insect and you couldn't gain size if your life depended on it.
Hope that helps...
Ummm.... Gained 20 pounds of lean dry tissue over the past 5 months shitstain
Go fuvk yourself :-*
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Ummm.... Gained 20 pounds of lean dry tissue over the past 5 months shitstain
Go fuvk yourself :-*
no you haven't, you look identical to the original picks with slightly better condition, and no one adds 20lb of lean tissue in 5 months, that's not how the body works, you have added 20lb of water retention, thats if you have gained 20lb at all.
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Don’t listen to one coach putting down the other previous coaches. They are just like plumbers and electricians who walk in the door and immediately blame everything on the prior work of other plumbers and electricians you’ve had and then save you heroically. Also, I’m not sure I totally buy into, “you can only listen to one person theory or you’ll get yourself totally fucked up.” Some of us are astute enough to pick out wisdom from more than one source (however, I am not trying to be a pro).
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Anybody know this guys background?, comes across very knowledgable and suggests that you can get national level size or atleast that he did using only 750-900mg test, 600 eq and 6iu of gh.
This is believable if you're on those dosages for a very long time, without taking long breaks.
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You mean relying on training
Diet means literally nothing
Its me eating chocolate cake and cheese fried in butter for by brekkie
An skinfold is 3 mm
Hahahaha! OK Einstein, sure! Is that water you are holding or Icecream?
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fact remains you are an anorexic stick insect and you couldn't gain size if your life depended on it.
:D
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You mean relying on training
Diet means literally nothing
Its me eating chocolate cake and cheese fried in butter for by brekkie
An skinfold is 3 mm
Fact of the matter is that you will not find one heavyweight bodybuilder who didn't eat a lot of food. Almost without exception the best bodybuilders have big appetites and are constantly eating. Although you can't force growth with food if your body doesn't want to grow muscle doesn't materialize out of thin air - growth takes energy and building blocks.
Gaining 20lbs of drug size is easy. Taking it to the next level and gaining another 20lbs on top of that is a completely different universe.
It's hard to say which part is most important, food, drugs or training because you need all. But most of all it's about genetics.
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Fact of the matter is that you will not find one heavyweight bodybuilder who didn't eat a lot of food. Almost without exception the best bodybuilders have big appetites and are constantly eating. Although you can't force growth with food if your body doesn't want to grow muscle doesn't materialize out of thin air - growth takes energy and building blocks.
Gaining 20lbs of drug size is easy. Taking it to the next level and gaining another 20lbs on top of that is a completely different universe.
It's hard to say which part is most important, food, drugs or training because you need all. But most of all it's about genetics.
Food is calories and ONLY CALORIES no more no less, and BTW tire adullis DID NOT come up with this idea Arthur Jones stated it over 50 fucking years ago
Again food is calories so that leaves gear and training
Gear is 80% training 20%
Found out I can take high test if I take low dose mast and still look pretty, FUCK YEAH!!!!!
Havent ventured to 1 gram+ yet, but doubt I will since I don't want to weigh more than 82 kg @ 5-6%
May compete in IPF bench comps so wanna stay in the 74 or 83 kg weigh class
93/kg would probably be perfect bb weight for me but fuck 105 kg and 120 kg no fucking way
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I can eat dog shit and it wont make any difference, I only want to weigh 80k at zero % BF, I might decide to do it I might not, I might decide to go up to 130kgs eating 3 extra doughnuts a day but I might end up smoothing over at 2% BF
boxing is my main talent, I am looking to challenge GGG , I will likely knock him out in the second because he wont be able to withstand my solid bodyshots, I will then soon run out of opponents and have to move up and fight Anthony Joshua...
fixed
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Havent ventured to 1 gram+ yet, but doubt I will since I don't want to weigh more than 82 kg @ 5-6%
May compete in IPF bench comps so wanna stay in the 74 or 83 kg weigh class
93/kg would probably be perfect bb weight for me but fuck 105 kg and 120 kg no fucking way
93kg in contest shape would take a ton insulin and gh and even then it's doubtful. What's your heaviest ever weight regardless of bodyfat?
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93kg in contest shape would take a ton insulin and gh and even then it's doubtful. What's your heaviest ever weight regardless of bodyfat?
Why waste your time - He is totally either delusional or just trying to wind posters up
He’s so inconsistent with what he says & or is going to do next
His bodybuilding genetics are woeful in terms of any form competing
That’s no hate just fact
He may well be better suited to other sports IE - Distance running or Tiddlywinks
He’s like the idiots that buy lottery tickets & say oh I don’t want to win the millions top prize
I just want to win $50. ::)
Of course he wants to be big & in shape - he just isn’t capable of it - so slags it off.
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93kg in contest shape would take a ton insulin and gh and even then it's doubtful. What's your heaviest ever weight regardless of bodyfat?
Dr. Blakely had me up to 95 kg without any gear, course my bf was 20%
Remember.... I do not train legs at all and I do zero row.work
Do you really think i need slin and GH to hit a lean 90 kg?
Guarrennteed if I trained legs and rows very heavy and hard I'd easily gain 10 kg EASILY
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Dr. Blakely had me up to 95 kg without any gear, course my bf was 20%
Remember.... I do not train legs at all and I do zero row.work
Do you really think i need slin and GH to hit a lean 90 kg?
Guarrennteed if I trained legs and rows very heavy and hard I'd easily gain 10 kg EASILY
some good old school 20 rep squats will put meat on anyone. Deep breathing squats.
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Dr. Blakely had me up to 95 kg without any gear, course my bf was 20%
Remember.... I do not train legs at all and I do zero row.work
Do you really think i need slin and GH to hit a lean 90 kg?
Guarrennteed if I trained legs and rows very heavy and hard I'd easily gain 10 kg EASILY
so you got fat, well done
you said you were training legs a month ago to blow me away, what happened?
You need a fucking magic wand to hit a lean 90k
10k easily, yep, of course...
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some good old school 20 rep squats will put meat on anyone. Deep breathing squats.
Yesterday I tested my squat str and guess what I got?
45 kg for a very hard 12 reps, dead serious
I can curl a 60 kg barbell for 5 lol
So they are trying to tell me I could not gain 7-10 kg if I worked squats hahahha
If I squatted 100 kg for 10-12 I would be much bigger no doubt ;)
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Oh!!! And if I rowed and jacked that weight up for fuxking sure id add 10/kg
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Yesterday I tested my squat str and guess what I got?
45 kg for a very hard 12 reps, dead serious
I can curl a 60 kg barbell for 5 lol
So they are trying to tell me I could not gain 7-10 kg if I worked squats hahahha
If I squatted 100 kg for 10-12 I would be much bigger no doubt ;)
you never train legs but you just happen to have squatted yesterday??
Fuck you you stupid fucking moron.
I will never respond to a post of yours again...
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you never train legs but you just happen to have squatted yesterday??
Fuck you you stupid fucking moron.
I will never respond to a post of yours again...
Train legs maybe once every 2 weeks
Train chest and bis 3
Don't know if I want to be 90 kg at 5-6% if I do then I gotta train legs and rows very heavy
Easy-peasy
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You mean relying on training
Diet means literally nothing
Its me eating chocolate cake and cheese fried in butter for by brekkie
An skinfold is 3 mm
While credits normally due for posting pics to back any claims, in some cases, such as this, it just destroys any credibility.
Your arms lean....and 14". We're discussing bodybuilding...not anorexia
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Guarrennteed if I trained legs and rows very heavy and hard I'd easily gain 10 kg EASILY
You sound just like the couch potatoes who claim they'd look just like "him" if they took steroids...
Youve never gained that "10kgs" so have no fking clue whether you could or not. Its not a numbers/dose thing..any real bodybuilder knows 3kg in 3 months doesnt equal 12 in 12 months.
You spin shit based on some tiny gains you've achieved and how that correlates to blah blah blah, but the facts are until you've actually hit a marker or milestone, you've zero fking clue what it takes to get there, making your input worthless...no matter how many stringy arm pics you post
DJs logic..i once walked 20 feet and found a $20 note. If i keep walking a million more feet I'll be a millionaire
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While credits normally due for posting pics to back any claims, in some cases, such as this, it just destroys any credibility.
Your arms lean....and 14". We're discussing bodybuilding...not anorexia
Whatever
They are a tad of 16 inches dipshit
Never said I was a bb a anyway, I am a... PHYSIQUE ARTIST
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You really believe that if I exchanges my choc cake and cheese fried in butter for oatmeal and egg whites it would make a diff?
No, it wouldn't, look how good I look can't improve it much as far as detail separation conditioning go ;)
Size yeah OK, but I could take care of that EASILY by training harder and heavier and takening more test and throwing in drol
you care delusional. you see one thing and the rest of us see the complete opposite. it's quite amusing
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you care delusional. you see one thing and the rest of us see the complete opposite. it's quite amusing
You must suffer from bigorexia like the others :-*
I have 16 inch are at 165 that's my claim
Never said I am a big bodybuilder dipshit
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you care delusional. you see one thing and the rest of us see the complete opposite. it's quite amusing
why anyone takes one shred of notice of the fucking dipstick dj181 is beyond me
Guy is a fucking moron, he just regurgitates the same old shit on a quarterly basis, give him a week and he will be posting pics of Tommy Hearns again and ignoring every single bit of advice people have stupidly taken the time to give him.
We even have Go4its totally revamped posting style encouraging the fuckwit.
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why anyone takes one shred of notice of the fucking dipstick dj181 is beyond me
Guy is a fucking moron, he just regurgitates the same old shit on a quarterly basis, give him a week and he will be posting pics of Tommy Hearns again and ignoring every single bit of advice people have stupidly taken the time to give him.
We even have Go4its totally revamped posting style encouraging the fuckwit.
Achieved my most important goal is. 16 inch arms at a conditioned sub-170
Flirt with the idea of going to a solid 180-185 in the same condition I have now but for that i would need leg and row training
Kinda think about it, but not so seriously like 16 inch arms at sub 170
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Anybody know this guys background?, comes across very knowledgable and suggests that you can get national level size or atleast that he did using only 750-900mg test, 600 eq and 6iu of gh.
Clearly this seems to conflict with the ever increasing amounts of information and insider knowledge that spills into circulation from time to time.
Weirdly enough though his dosing and protocols on insulin vere toward the higher and more dangerous side encorperating humalog ontop of lantus.
I see some praising and others calling him out as a liar and massive abuser that cant admit his failiures despite the fact.
Anybody with any real info have the low down?
That one, you're welcome.
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Dr. Blakely had me up to 95 kg without any gear, course my bf was 20%
Remember.... I do not train legs at all and I do zero row.work
Do you really think i need slin and GH to hit a lean 90 kg?
Guarrennteed if I trained legs and rows very heavy and hard I'd easily gain 10 kg EASILY
No malice intended, but what sounds easy in theory is in this case extremely hard. But we won't know for sure unless you try.
I can tell you that there are pros, the ones in the 216 class, but not the shortest, guys who are said to have elite genetics, the best of the best, who were hitting 5 grams of gear 10 years ago and already on gh and slin. Now 10 years later of continuing use, a million dollars in pharma gh later, still are still a few kilos shy of 90kg. 90kgs is huge even for a bit taller guys, it's not easy even for many gifted guys. My point is, it's hard to put on size if one has trained for years and years, and even if neglecting parts previoudmsly, no matter what.
Sevastase was a bit like that, he said he knew what it takes for pro size and he could theoretically hit this or that bw but you still don't know if you don't give it a shot and do it. If you never were there you just don't know. I was never real big either but I know speculation is useless - I just don't know what would have happened had I just done this or that.
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No malice intended, but what sounds easy in theory is in this case extremely hard. But we won't know for sure unless you try.
I can tell you that there are pros, the ones in the 216 class, but not the shortest, guys who are said to have elite genetics, the best of the best, who were hitting 5 grams of gear 10 years ago and already on gh and slin. Now 10 years later of continuing use, a million dollars in pharma gh later, still are still a few kilos shy of 90kg. 90kgs is huge even for a bit taller guys, it's not easy even for many gifted guys. My point is, it's hard to put on size if one has trained for years and years, and even if neglecting parts previoudmsly, no matter what.
Sevastase was a bit like that, he said he knew what it takes for pro size and he could theoretically hit this or that bw but you still don't know if you don't give it a shot and do it. If you never were there you just don't know. I was never real big either but I know speculation is useless.
whay are you even taking this c.unt seriously?
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whay are you even taking this c.unt seriously?
He's been nice to me. Changing people's minds rarely happens so any discussion is pretty useless, no matter the subject. I know.
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whay are you even taking this c.unt seriously?
most post 4 attention, I've noticed. humans seem super needy lol... they desire to be acknowledged.
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most post 4 attention, I've noticed. humans seem super needy lol... they desire to be acknowledged.
nice post,,,, ;)
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I think its funny to piss you guys off
It is very obvious many here have bigorexia issues ;)
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No malice intended, but what sounds easy in theory is in this case extremely hard. But we won't know for sure unless you try.
I can tell you that there are pros, the ones in the 216 class, but not the shortest, guys who are said to have elite genetics, the best of the best, who were hitting 5 grams of gear 10 years ago and already on gh and slin. Now 10 years later of continuing use, a million dollars in pharma gh later, still are still a few kilos shy of 90kg. 90kgs is huge even for a bit taller guys, it's not easy even for many gifted guys. My point is, it's hard to put on size if one has trained for years and years, and even if neglecting parts previoudmsly, no matter what.
Sevastase was a bit like that, he said he knew what it takes for pro size and he could theoretically hit this or that bw but you still don't know if you don't give it a shot and do it. If you never were there you just don't know. I was never real big either but I know speculation is useless - I just don't know what would have happened had I just done this or that.
Let me tell you a story bout 5 weeks hard hard leg training as A NATTY
Bodyweight went up 5 full pounds and ab skinfold dropped 2 mm
So you tell me that isn't real gains LOL
My genetic is very good, just can't be bothered to push legs hard regularly
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Whatever
They are a tad of 16 inches dipshit
Never said I was a bb a anyway, I am a... PHYSIQUE ARTIST
A tad over 16....on gear. Wow.....no wonder you think you have so much wisdom to share
Thatd be quite an achievement....if you were female, natural, and 14years old
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Fact of the matter is that you will not find one heavyweight bodybuilder who didn't eat a lot of food. Almost without exception the best bodybuilders have big appetites and are constantly eating. Although you can't force growth with food if your body doesn't want to grow muscle doesn't materialize out of thin air - growth takes energy and building blocks.
Gaining 20lbs of drug size is easy. Taking it to the next level and gaining another 20lbs on top of that is a completely different universe.
It's hard to say which part is most important, food, drugs or training because you need all. But most of all it's about genetics.
So not true. Lots of big guys don't eat massive amounts of food. There's plenty of giants on not much more than 4K cals / day.
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So not true. Lots of big guys don't eat massive amounts of food. There's plenty of giants on not much more than 4K cals / day.
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/51/66/f8/5166f8caacf203ebad2290615b0b9b25--mr-olympia-zack.jpg)
4000 cals...
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(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/51/66/f8/5166f8caacf203ebad2290615b0b9b25--mr-olympia-zack.jpg)
4000 cals...
You found a pic of DJ after a months leg training?
Mass calories are junk. We all have thousands of stored calories available if required. Bodies are very adaptable.
Though awaiting DJs feedback on how many cals hed take to cruise to 105kg & 2%
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You found a pic of DJ after a months leg training?
Mass calories are junk. We all have thousands of stored calories available if required. Bodies are very adaptable.
Though awaiting DJs feedback on how many cals hed take to cruise to 105kg & 2%
;D
I am a ripped 77kg right now, 90 kg ripped is maybe pushing it but I will be a ripped 82kg within 2 months mark my words
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His DNP protocol, supposedly killed one guy and pout others in the hospital, now he tells no one to use it.
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His DNP protocol, supposedly killed one guy and pout others in the hospital, now he tells no one to use it.
as long as he learns from his mistakes its all good...
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(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/51/66/f8/5166f8caacf203ebad2290615b0b9b25--mr-olympia-zack.jpg)
4000 cals...
what a wasted potential... :-[
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;D
I am a Moron right now, Idiot level is maybe pushing it but I will be a Imbecile within 2 months mark my words
Fixed
The 3 levels of stupidity
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Fixed
The 3 levels of stupidity
Hahaha! 8)
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Fixed
The 3 levels of stupidity
Not bad, 8.5/10
I post a pic of me on scale.in 8 weeks and I will be at least 82 kg and at sub-7 ;)
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So not true. Lots of big guys don't eat massive amounts of food. There's plenty of giants on not much more than 4K cals / day.
Not necessarily "massive" amounts but good bodybuilders don't eat like birds, they don't go for days eating one meal a day and so on, like I might do. They put away good amounts of food and protein consistently.
Someone like Mentzer back in the day ate a woefully inadequate diet IMO, especially precontest. I don't think such a low amount of protein is optimal with what the science has shown in the past decades. He thought you could count the amount of protein in a pound of muscle and then add that to maintenance diet over however long time it took to gain a pound of muscle but that's not how it works.
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I know one pro who hired a well known
coach and IFBB pro but he couldn't follow the diet,
it was an "impossible" amount of food. This guy
hasn't been able to gain any size for years despite
all pharmacological help possible. I don't know
if force feeding would have helped but in general
it's very hard to gain real size when already advanced, no matter what.
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I know one pro who hired a well known
coach and IFBB pro but he couldn't follow the diet,
it was an "impossible" amount of food. This guy
hasn't been able to gain any size for years despite
all pharmacological help possible. I don't know
if force feeding would have helped but in general
it's very hard to gain real size when already advanced, no matter what.
People seem to overlook the importance of a good digestive system, without that the body isnt able to process all the nutrients from the food, if you have a shit digestive system then you are fucked.
I once looked into digestive enzyme supplementation but they gave me stomach ache...
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Not necessarily "massive" amounts but good bodybuilders don't eat like birds, they don't go for days eating one meal a day and so on, like I might do. They put away good amounts of food and protein consistently.
Someone like Mentzer back in the day ate a woefully inadequate diet IMO, especially precontest. I don't think such a low amount of protein is optimal with what the science has shown in the past decades. He thought you could count the amount of protein in a pound of muscle and then add that to maintenance diet over however long time it took to gain a pound of muscle but that's not how it works.
In his heavy duty journal he says he started prep for the 79 O at a soft and pudgy 225 and his on stage weight was 210
He claims he gained lean muscle tissue while losing fat on a very low cal diet and gear
Would have been interesting to know his starting bf
On stage for the O he was definatley sitting at 5%
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People seem to overlook the importance of a good digestive system, without that the body isnt able to process all the nutrients from the food, if you have a shit digestive system then you are fucked.
I once looked into digestive enzyme supplementation but they gave me stomach ache...
Yeah I know Palumbo and others push these fiber supplements to be able to eat a lot, he sells one himself of course. For me fiber in general gives stomach ache and insane gas. Lots of talk about probiotics on forums too, though some experts say they aren't necessarily totally innocuos; not always a good idea to introduce a ton of new bacteria through supplements. Gut health is interesting as the gut affects everything, even brain chemistry.
Never tried digestive enzymes.
For appetite mk-677 is absolutely nuts.