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Title: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 01, 2018, 07:30:32 PM
240isback was right! Trump = Democrat plant!!

President Trump again called for raising the minimum legal age to purchase all guns to age 21 during a meeting with lawmakers on guns and school safety Wednesday, while suggesting that those who are staying silent on the topic are "afraid" to come up against the NRA.

"I'm going to give it a lot of consideration," Trump said. "People aren't bringing it up because they're afraid to bring it up. You can't buy a handgun at 18, 19 or 20. You have to wait until you're 21. You could buy the weapon used in this horrible shooting at 18. You are going to decide - the people in this room pretty much - are going to decide. I would give very serious thought to it."

President Donald Trump meets with bi-partisan members of Congress to discuss school and community safety in the wake of the Florida school shootings at the White House in Washington, Feb. 28, 2018.

While noting the NRA's opposition to proposals to raise the minimum age to purchase firearms, the president made the case that raising the minimum age is common sense.

"The NRA is opposed to it and I'm a fan of the NRA. No bigger fan. I'm a big fan of the NRA. These are great people. Great patriots. They love our country but that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything," Trump said. "It doesn't make sense that I have to wait till I'm 21 to get a handgun but I can get this."

The president also signaled his support for the Manchin-Toomey proposal that was defeated back in 2013, and is in the process of being reworked, that calls for expanding background checks on guns sales to include firearms sold at gun shows and on the internet.

The president suggested that the measure failed back in 2013 because President Barack Obama was in office at the time, saying “that was your problem,” in reference to Obama. But in fact, Obama backed the bill at the time.

He asked Sen. Pat Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican, if the bill he’s sponsoring with Senator Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, would proposing raising the purchasing age for certain guns.

“We don’t address it,” Toomey told the president.

“You know why, because you’re afraid of the NRA,” the president said in reply.

Wednesday evening, the NRA responded to Trump's proposals.

In a statement, spokesperson Jennifer Baker said: "“While today’s meeting made for great tv, the gun-control proposals discussed would make for bad policy that would not keep our children safe. Instead of punishing law-abiding gun owners for the acts of a deranged lunatic our leaders should pass meaningful reforms that would actually prevent future tragedies."

"They can start by fixing the broken mental health system," her statement continued, "strengthening background checks to ensure the records of people who are prohibited from possessing firearms are in the NICS system, securing our schools and preventing the dangerously mentally ill from accessing firearms.”

At the White House meeting, the president repeatedly expressed his support for legislation to improve the nation's background check system but said such a measure should not also include a provision to expand concealed carry law to allow people with concealed carry licenses to carry their firearms across state line.

"I'm with you but let it be a separate bill," Trump told Louisiana Republican Rep. Steve Scalise, who was gunned down during a congressional baseball practice last year. "You'll never get this passed if you add concealed carry to this, you'll never get it passed. I don't think -- again, you'll never get it passed. We want to get something done."

The president also vowed to ban bump stocks through executive action, telling the lawmakers that the rapid-fire devices are "gone."

"I'm going to write that out. We can do that by executive order," the president said, noting that "the lawyers" are working on the language.

Last week, Trump said he ordered the Justice Department to move to ban the rapid-fire devices that were used in the Las Vegas massacre last year. Bump stocks were not used in the Parkland shooting.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: chaos on March 01, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
18 to go to war and die for your country....21 to buy a gun? Lame. Oompa Loompa needs to step back and not try to pander to a few loud mouth gun control douchenozzles.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 01, 2018, 07:37:56 PM
18 to go to war and die for your country....21 to buy a gun? Lame. Oompa Loompa needs to step back and not try to pander to a few loud mouth gun control douchenozzles.

Chaos, do you believe that 240isback was correct when he indicated that Trump was a democrat plant?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: chaos on March 01, 2018, 07:39:48 PM
Chaos, do you believe that 240isback was correct when he indicated that Trump was a democrat plant?
No.
I think that's just Trumps personality. Talks a lot of shit.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 01, 2018, 07:42:59 PM
Trump is not a democratic plant. Donald is just someone way over their head and likes approval from whatever audience he is talking too. He comes off "tough" but the fact is he lives for approval. Seen his type before
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 01, 2018, 07:49:26 PM
Trump is not a democratic plant. Donald is just someone way over their head and likes approval from whatever audience he is talking too. He comes off "tough" but the fact is he lives for approval. Seen his type before

Congrats, you just won dumbest post on the net. I’ll let you figure out why.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 01, 2018, 07:50:38 PM
Congrats, you just won dumbest post on the net. I’ll let you figure out why.

I accept that award coming from you. I consider you the Bizzaro World Superman
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: 2ND COMING on March 01, 2018, 08:41:59 PM
Chaos, do you believe that 240isback was correct when he indicated that Trump was a democrat plant?

It's a pretty bad "plant" nomnation wise.

Trumps own scotus pick gorsuch would take this proposal (I doubt if theres any meat to it) and wipe his ass with it.

p.s. justice kennedy needs to hang it up already and let a younger right leaning judge take his seat.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Kwon on March 01, 2018, 08:43:26 PM
Loves approval and pandering of peace.

NOT a democrat plant. SAD!
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: jude2 on March 01, 2018, 08:45:35 PM
He is just fucking with them, just like he did when he first met with the Dems about immigration.  He just tells them what they want to hear and laughs at them, when they all get hard ons.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Bevo on March 01, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
Chaos, do you believe that 240isback was correct when he indicated that Trump was a democrat plant?

No surprise he was more democrat years/decades before he started to run for president
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 01, 2018, 08:59:22 PM
Loves approval and pandering of peace.

NOT a democrat plant. SAD!

1900 is trolling.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Matt on March 01, 2018, 09:52:37 PM
A 21 year minimum age won't do anything.  But ok cool.  Another failed left-wing solution until they call to ban all guns, and we address the actual problem, which is that the Black and Hispanic gun violence rates comprise 70% of all American gun violence.

If the left keeps pushing after trying and failing to regulate, they will eventually call to ban all guns.  If they even attempt such a thing, all hell will break loose.

I'm surprised to hear this from Donald Trump though.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 01, 2018, 10:03:55 PM
A 21 year minimum age won't do anything.  But ok cool.  Another failed left-wing solution until they call to ban all guns, and we address the actual problem, which is that the Black and Hispanic gun violence rates comprise 70% of all American gun violence.

If the left keeps pushing after trying and failing to regulate, they will eventually call to ban all guns.  If they even attempt such a thing, all hell will break loose.

I'm surprised to hear this from Donald Trump though.

Matt.. if I'm on 4th and belvue in Chigaco at 2 am and get shot.. I kind of feel I should have known better. If I am in Compton at 2 am outside a club and get shot, ok.. shoulda seen that coming. we are talking about 
 attending a country music concert in Vegas or attending school in Florida... do you see the difference?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 01, 2018, 11:52:24 PM
Matt.. if I'm on 4th and belvue in Chigaco at 2 am and get shot.. I kind of feel I should have known better. If I am in Compton at 2 am outside a club and get shot, ok.. shoulda seen that coming. we are talking about 
 attending a country music concert in Vegas or attending school in Florida... do you see the difference?

Just pat Matt on the head and be done with it  :D :D
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: be back on March 01, 2018, 11:56:07 PM
Matt.. if I'm on 4th and belvue in Chigaco at 2 am and get shot.. I kind of feel I should have known better. If I am in Compton at 2 am outside a club and get shot, ok.. shoulda seen that coming. we are talking about 
 attending a country music concert in Vegas or attending school in Florida... do you see the difference?

racist post reported...
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Notomorrow on March 02, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
A 21 year minimum age won't do anything.  But ok cool.  Another failed left-wing solution until they call to ban all guns, and we address the actual problem, which is that the Black and Hispanic gun violence rates comprise 70% of all American gun violence.

If the left keeps pushing after trying and failing to regulate, they will eventually call to ban all guns.  If they even attempt such a thing, all hell will break loose.

I'm surprised to hear this from Donald Trump though.
Called Art of the Deal....Just a token....He's just showing he wants to negotiate..be flexible...Unlike his opponents....
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: ratherbebig on March 02, 2018, 02:24:05 PM
i suggest 25.

only then is the brain fully developed according to most experts.

add 25 years to other things as well - voting, drinking, going to war etc and we'll have a better country.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 02, 2018, 02:25:14 PM
Matt.. if I'm on 4th and belvue in Chigaco at 2 am and get shot.. I kind of feel I should have known better. If I am in Compton at 2 am outside a club and get shot, ok.. shoulda seen that coming. we are talking about 
 attending a country music concert in Vegas or attending school in Florida... do you see the difference?

And punishing the innocent people for it isn't a solution , it's immoral
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: che on March 02, 2018, 02:29:56 PM
And punishing the innocent people for it isn't a solution , it's immoral

I totally agree , I  can get wasted and drive like a  champ , but the government won't let me do it , it's immoral .
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 02, 2018, 02:52:50 PM
I totally agree , I  can get wasted and drive like a  champ , but the government won't let me do it , it's immoral .

Reducto absurdum
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: chaos on March 02, 2018, 07:15:05 PM
Matt.. if I'm on 4th and belvue in Chigaco at 2 am and get shot.. I kind of feel I should have known better. If I am in Compton at 2 am outside a club and get shot, ok.. shoulda seen that coming. we are talking about 
 attending a country music concert in Vegas or attending school in Florida... do you see the difference?
And if you're chilling at home in your 8k a month mansion in Florida and some Hebrews kick in your door to steal your wifes jewelry and your smart tv?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: robcguns on March 02, 2018, 07:19:16 PM
Matt.. if I'm on 4th and belvue in Chigaco at 2 am and get shot.. I kind of feel I should have known better. If I am in Compton at 2 am outside a club and get shot, ok.. shoulda seen that coming. we are talking about 
 attending a country music concert in Vegas or attending school in Florida... do you see the difference?

Still the numbers don’t add up anywhere close to what minority’s do with guns.Also collateral damage of drivebys I’m sure is more than total of mass killings in schools etc...
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: TheGrinch on March 02, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
so you can go to war and kill people at 18 using guns "borrowed" from the government.......


you just can't bring own one yourself?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 02, 2018, 08:37:24 PM
He is just fucking with them, just like he did when he first met with the Dems about immigration.  He just tells them what they want to hear and laughs at them, when they all get hard ons.

He really isn't that smart. Ever read his tweets before he redacts and corrects the spelling?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Mayday on March 03, 2018, 01:47:31 AM
Why is it whenever there is a hint of tightening the accessibility to guns the US people go apeshit?

You have students shooting up schools. If it wasnt so easy for them to get guns they wouldnt be killing people.

Sure, those people have mental issues and are batshit crazy but they got a gun and could act it out.

You only need to make it probably 20% more difficult to buy a gun and it'd deter probably 50% of buyers because they couldn't be fucked.

Its the shit for brains people you have to worry about. Make it hard for that group and it'd make a massive improvement.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2018, 03:09:35 AM
Handguns should be legal. Fine.

Ban everything else.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Griffith on March 03, 2018, 03:14:24 AM
Handguns should be legal. Fine.

Ban everything else.

The government will be weary to infringe on individual and property rights if the population have the ability to resist.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Marty Champions on March 03, 2018, 04:14:35 AM
u faggets need guns lol
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2018, 04:22:37 AM
The government will be weary to infringe on individual and property rights if the population have the ability to resist.


No they won't.

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Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: dj181 on March 03, 2018, 04:28:46 AM
No surprise he was more democrat years/decades before he started to run for president

Why do you even address this asain turd ???

He isnt even on the top of the asain food chain as he he just some crappy Chinese turd lulz
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Griffith on March 03, 2018, 04:31:46 AM
No they won't.

Urban warfare, street to street fighting, infantry has to clear these areas unless the government just wants to destroy every city to rubble.

Look in Syria, even though the government has air dominance and tanks, the rebels are still keeping the fight going after so many years.

Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2018, 04:44:39 AM
Urban warfare, street to street fighting, infantry has to clear these areas unless the government just wants to destroy every city to rubble.

Look in Syria, even though the government has air dominance and tanks, the rebels are still keeping the fight going after so many years.



Will getbiggers lead the way in urban warfare?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: chaos on March 03, 2018, 09:17:38 AM
Handguns should be legal. Fine.

Ban everything else.
Vast majority of gun deaths are caused by handguns.
If you don't think the American people can stand up to the US gov, I'd suggest going back a few years and look into some standoffs where the gov backed down to American citizens with black scary rifles.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: TheGrinch on March 03, 2018, 10:38:04 AM
So its better the Jews never had weapons to defend themselves against the Nazi govnt?

Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: chaos on March 03, 2018, 01:10:47 PM
Taking guns is the first step....ask the native Americans. ;)
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2018, 02:39:49 PM
Vast majority of gun deaths are caused by handguns.
If you don't think the American people can stand up to the US gov, I'd suggest going back a few years and look into some standoffs where the gov backed down to American citizens with black scary rifles.

All they gotta do is drop a few bombs and come back with a few hundred tanks!!
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2018, 02:41:08 PM
Vast majority of gun deaths are caused by handguns.
If you don't think the American people can stand up to the US gov, I'd suggest going back a few years and look into some standoffs where the gov backed down to American citizens with black scary rifles.

Yeah, but if they wanted to, the government could have obliterated them. They just chose not to.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
Yeah, but if they wanted to, the government could have obliterated them. They just chose not to.

Like Ruby Ridge or Waco?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Conker on March 04, 2018, 01:53:11 AM
A 21 year minimum age won't do anything.  But ok cool.  Another failed left-wing solution until they call to ban all guns, and we address the actual problem, which is that the Black and Hispanic gun violence rates comprise 70% of all American gun violence.

If the left keeps pushing after trying and failing to regulate, they will eventually call to ban all guns.  If they even attempt such a thing, all hell will break loose.

I'm surprised to hear this from Donald Trump though.

america doesn't give a sht about black and hispanic gun crime because it's generally isolated to the people of those communities. america doesn't like it when white kids get shot in schools.

though black and hispanic communities will be the biggest benefactors when enough white kids get shot up in school, thus bringing about some sensible form of gun control.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Griffith on March 04, 2018, 09:04:27 AM
america doesn't give a sht about black and hispanic gun crime because it's generally isolated to the people of those communities. america doesn't like it when white kids get shot in schools.

though black and hispanic communities will be the biggest benefactors when enough white kids get shot up in school, thus bringing about some sensible form of gun control.

Criminals will have guns anyway and will still keep shooting each other in their neighborhoods and will continue robbing from the other neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 04, 2018, 10:27:58 AM
america doesn't give a sht about black and hispanic gun crime because it's generally isolated to the people of those communities. america doesn't like it when white kids get shot in schools.

though black and hispanic communities will be the biggest benefactors when enough white kids get shot up in school, thus bringing about some sensible form of gun control.

And you don't give a shit about Americans killing each other. And what sensible gun reform are you talking about? Banning bump-stocks which before Vegas were never used in a crime?  ::) Like banning AR15s which are very rarely used in gun violence , despite what the media is selling you? You're fucking clueless when he comes to America and guns and laws , shut the fuck up about it you moron.

Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Conker on March 04, 2018, 12:05:20 PM
Criminals will have guns anyway and will still keep shooting each other in their neighborhoods and will continue robbing from the other neighborhoods.

yes they will. but if you reduce the number of guns in circulation the knock on effect will be that is harder for criminals to get guns too. in time gun crime will drop hugely FACT.  go look at the look at the rest of the developed for evidence of this.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Conker on March 04, 2018, 12:10:49 PM
And you don't give a shit about Americans killing each other. And what sensible gun reform are you talking about? Banning bump-stocks which before Vegas were never used in a crime?  ::) Like banning AR15s which are very rarely used in gun violence , despite what the media is selling you? You're fucking clueless when he comes to America and guns and laws , shut the fuck up about it you moron.




you are the archetypal dumb yank. "we have a problem with gun crime , way to solve it is ? more guns! arm the teachers , arm the students!" . get your head out of your @ss you dumb sht and have a look at what's happening in the rest of the world. i bet you're the type that's never been abroad and doesn't even own a passport.

Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 04, 2018, 12:34:31 PM

you are the archetypal dumb yank. "we have a problem with gun crime , way to solve it is ? more guns! arm the teachers , arm the students!" . get your head out of your @ss you dumb sht and have a look at what's happening in the rest of the world. i bet your the type that's never been abroad and doesn't even own a passport.



I'm glad you didn't address one single point I made  ;) The irony of you calling anyone dumb. You're arguing points no one is making stupid. Who said " more guns " ? Who? Who argued " arm the teachers "?  ??? or even more fucking dumb " arm the students " ? You're beyond stupid arguing points no one made.

I know what's happening in the rest of the world , that point is irrelevant to what's going on in my part of the world. And if I've been abroad or have a passport has fuck-all to do with your ignorance on the subject of American gun violence. It's YOU who needs to brush up on the subject at hand because you are woefully lost and in way over your head stupid.

Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: chaos on March 04, 2018, 12:36:20 PM
yes they will. but if you reduce the number of guns in circulation the knock on effect will be that is harder for criminals to get guns too. in time gun crime will drop hugely FACT.  go look at the look at the rest of the developed for evidence of this.
LMAO!! Maybe on some little island, but I think you need to check facts.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Las Vegas on March 04, 2018, 12:37:41 PM
Why is it whenever there is a hint of tightening the accessibility to guns the US people go apeshit?

You have students shooting up schools. If it wasnt so easy for them to get guns they wouldnt be killing people.

Sure, those people have mental issues and are batshit crazy but they got a gun and could act it out.

You only need to make it probably 20% more difficult to buy a gun and it'd deter probably 50% of buyers because they couldn't be fucked.

Its the shit for brains people you have to worry about. Make it hard for that group and it'd make a massive improvement.

Because we don't trust you motherfuckers.  That's why.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 04, 2018, 12:48:19 PM
yes they will. but if you reduce the number of guns in circulation the knock on effect will be that is harder for criminals to get guns too. in time gun crime will drop hugely FACT.  go look at the look at the rest of the developed for evidence of this.

Prohibition doesn't work , Prohibition will NEVER work , and the solution isn't trampling on MY rights because of the actions of criminals. It's that simple even for morons like you.

Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: ratherbebig on March 04, 2018, 12:53:26 PM
howabout you instead of bitching about your gun rights put some work and money into fighting crime?

but you wont do that, all you do is sit around at home with your guns and bitch at the world and not doing a single thing to make it better.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Conker on March 04, 2018, 12:55:07 PM
I'm glad you didn't address one single point I made  ;) The irony of you calling anyone dumb. You're arguing points no one is making stupid. Who said " more guns " ? Who? Who argued " arm the teachers "?  ??? or even more fucking dumb " arm the students " ? You're beyond stupid arguing points no one made.

I know what's happening in the rest of the world , that point is irrelevant to what's going on in my part of the world. And if I've been abroad or have a passport has fuck-all to do with your ignorance on the subject of American gun violence. It's YOU who needs to brush up on the subject at hand because you are woefully lost and in way over your head stupid.




address your points? waste of energy , been there done that. all the pro gun arguments are completely illogical and irrational BS anyway. you're a brainwashed NRA sheeple. end of story.

you want to reduce your problem with gun crime? reduce total number of guns in circulation. Ar15s, bump stocks, hand guns, bazookas , rocket launchers. whatever the fk. seriously reduce the the total number of guns in society and you will seriously reduce the problem with gun crime.

that's it, it's really that simple. pointless going any further. that's the bottom line. if your country doesn't have the stomach to that then you'll just continue to suffer with the same problem. and we'll be back here monthly to talk about the latest massacre.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Conker on March 04, 2018, 01:00:27 PM
LMAO!! Maybe on some little island, but I think you need to check facts.


check what facts? what country in the developed world has anywhere near the problem with guns as the US? there's 400 million or so people in western europe (hardly a little island). go check the gun ownership and gun crime figures. look at japan too while you're there.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Las Vegas on March 04, 2018, 01:03:40 PM
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Why is it whenever there is a hint of tightening the accessibility to guns the US people go apeshit?

Seriously, it's because it cannot show anything positive toward fixing the alleged concern.  And worse, it requires ignoring the potential negative, to do it.

That makes it dishonest, incredibly fucking dishonest, which is why some may go "apeshit" (as you see it).
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: ratherbebig on March 04, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
guns dont kill people

americans kill people
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 04, 2018, 02:26:15 PM

address your points? waste of energy , been there done that. all the pro gun arguments are completely illogical and irrational BS anyway. you're a brainwashed NRA sheeple. end of story.

you want to reduce your problem with gun crime? reduce total number of guns in circulation. Ar15s, bump stocks, hand guns, bazookas , rocket launchers. whatever the fk. seriously reduce the the total number of guns in society and you will seriously reduce the problem with gun crime.

that's it, it's really that simple. pointless going any further. that's the bottom line. if your country doesn't have the stomach to that then you'll just continue to suffer with the same problem. and we'll be back here monthly to talk about the latest massacre.

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address your points? waste of energy , been there done that. all the pro gun arguments are completely illogical and irrational BS anyway. you're a brainwashed NRA sheeple. end of story.

LMAO your bitching & moaning in every thread is a waste of energy , However we both know you can't refute facts hence why you'll just dismiss them. I demolished your " points " in moments. Bump-stocks have never been used in a crime until Vegas , ban them? What was that about illogical and irrational? Rifles are used in 3% of all gun murders , and AR15s are a subset of them. Ban them? What was that about illogical and irrational?  ;) You're brainwashed by The Guardian and for the record I'm NOT a member of the NRA , never have been , never will be.

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you want to reduce your problem with gun crime? reduce total number of guns in circulation. Ar15s, bump stocks, hand guns, bazookas , rocket launchers. whatever the fk. seriously reduce the the total number of guns in society and you will seriously reduce the problem with gun crime.

Yes sounds good on paper doesn't it? To morons it would but how? Abolish the 2A? confiscate all guns? And we're right back to square one because confiscation leads to even more gun violence , congrats on your 3rd grade logic. FYI stupid , the vast majority of gun deaths are Suicides ( 66% in fact ) want to reduce gun deaths? Start with mental health that could cut gun deaths by almost 2/3rds !! You don't know the first fucking thing about American gun politics and it's laughable watch you flaunt your ignorance.

And moron , you ban people from owning firearms that creates 100s of thousands if not millions of victims who use firearms defensively , your solution to save 30 kids is to have 10X that in new victims sound logic  ::)

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that's it, it's really that simple. pointless going any further. that's the bottom line. if your country doesn't have the stomach to that then you'll just continue to suffer with the same problem. and we'll be back here monthly to talk about the latest massacre.


Common theme in these massacres? Mental health , all the lunatics who do these are not wrapped to tight and most are on psychotropic meds , again " mass shootings " are rare events , regardless of what you're been sold , facts & numbers confirm this. You're not interested in a solution because if you were you'd at least bother to understand what the fuck you're talking about. You're another ignorant non-American who thinks they know what's good for my country , fuck off and worry about your country and the next terrorist attack there.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: chaos on March 04, 2018, 02:55:58 PM

check what facts? what country in the developed world has anywhere near the problem with guns as the US? there's 400 million or so people in western europe (hardly a little island). go check the gun ownership and gun crime figures. look at japan too while you're there.
Sure. What do you consider the "developed world"?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: jude2 on March 04, 2018, 08:10:41 PM
He really isn't that smart. Ever read his tweets before he redacts and corrects the spelling?
That is exactly what he wants people to think.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 04, 2018, 08:16:26 PM
That is exactly what he wants people to think.

Then he is a genius
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Conker on March 05, 2018, 10:14:19 AM
LMAO your bitching & moaning in every thread is a waste of energy , However we both know you can't refute facts hence why you'll just dismiss them. I demolished your " points " in moments. Bump-stocks have never been used in a crime until Vegas , ban them? What was that about illogical and irrational? Rifles are used in 3% of all gun murders , and AR15s are a subset of them. Ban them? What was that about illogical and irrational?  ;) You're brainwashed by The Guardian and for the record I'm NOT a member of the NRA , never have been , never will be.

Yes sounds good on paper doesn't it? To morons it would but how? Abolish the 2A? confiscate all guns? And we're right back to square one because confiscation leads to even more gun violence , congrats on your 3rd grade logic. FYI stupid , the vast majority of gun deaths are Suicides ( 66% in fact ) want to reduce gun deaths? Start with mental health that could cut gun deaths by almost 2/3rds !! You don't know the first fucking thing about American gun politics and it's laughable watch you flaunt your ignorance.

And moron , you ban people from owning firearms that creates 100s of thousands if not millions of victims who use firearms defensively , your solution to save 30 kids is to have 10X that in new victims sound logic  ::)
 

Common theme in these massacres? Mental health , all the lunatics who do these are not wrapped to tight and most are on psychotropic meds , again " mass shootings " are rare events , regardless of what you're been sold , facts & numbers confirm this. You're not interested in a solution because if you were you'd at least bother to understand what the fuck you're talking about. You're another ignorant non-American who thinks they know what's good for my country , fuck off and worry about your country and the next terrorist attack there.

lol. see this type of foolishness is what i was talking about. as my dad always said, never try to argue with an idiot. they'll only drag you down to their level then beat you on experience.

where did i say banning bump stocks or rifles was worthwhile? i said you need to reduce the number of ALL types of gun in circulation. you say rifles only account for 3% of all gun murders.? well what % of all gun murders involve a gun of any type?...lol

oh it's a mental health issue not a gun issue. what a crock of sht. show me the evidence that shows that the US has a significantly greater prevalence of mental health issues than any comparable country... the difference is the number of guns you have in circulation . end of story.

again utter BS that reducing gun ownership will create victims. pretty much every credible bit of research shows that gun owners and their family are way more likely to come to harm than non gun owning households...i suppose relevant studies are getting a bit thin on the ground these days since the NRA put a kibosh on federal money being used to fund gun violence studies. bit strange that a country with such a huge gun crime problem wouldn't want to spend any government money researching the issue...

anyways i'm done here. continue to live in your NRA haze of ignorance. at least you got your guns to keep you safe. idiot.

Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 05, 2018, 10:26:32 AM
lol. see this type of foolishness is what i was talking about. as my dad always said, never try to argue with an idiot. they'll only drag you down to their level then beat you on experience.

where did i say banning bump stocks or rifles was worthwhile? i said you need to reduce the number of ALL types of gun in circulation. you say rifles only account for 3% of all gun murders.? well what % of all gun murders involve a gun of any type?...lol

oh it's a mental health issue not a gun issue. what a crock of sht. show me the evidence that shows that the US has a significantly greater prevalence of mental health issues than any comparable country... the difference is the number of guns you have in circulation . end of story.

again utter BS that reducing gun ownership will create victims. pretty much every credible bit of research shows that gun owners and their family are way more likely to come to harm than non gun owning households...i suppose relevant studies are getting a bit thin on the ground these days since the NRA put a kibosh on federal money being used to fund gun violence studies. bit strange that a country with such a huge gun crime problem wouldn't want to spend any government money researching the issue...

anyways i'm done here. continue to live in your NRA haze of ignorance. at least you got your guns to keep you safe. idiot.



We voted a reality TV star with a history of lying and womanizing into the highest office in the land.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: TheGrinch on March 05, 2018, 12:58:09 PM
We voted a reality TV star with a history of lying and womanizing into the highest office in the land.

Better than a lying murdering blood sucking pro NWO parasite of a woman
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Griffith on March 05, 2018, 01:19:01 PM
We voted a reality TV star with a history of lying and womanizing into the highest office in the land.

Despite being a billionaire, Trump actually comes across as a normal person and not a stuck up and arrogant hypocrite like most of the career politicians.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 05, 2018, 01:20:58 PM
lol. see this type of foolishness is what i was talking about. as my dad always said, never try to argue with an idiot. they'll only drag you down to their level then beat you on experience.

where did i say banning bump stocks or rifles was worthwhile? i said you need to reduce the number of ALL types of gun in circulation. you say rifles only account for 3% of all gun murders.? well what % of all gun murders involve a gun of any type?...lol

oh it's a mental health issue not a gun issue. what a crock of sht. show me the evidence that shows that the US has a significantly greater prevalence of mental health issues than any comparable country... the difference is the number of guns you have in circulation . end of story.

again utter BS that reducing gun ownership will create victims. pretty much every credible bit of research shows that gun owners and their family are way more likely to come to harm than non gun owning households...i suppose relevant studies are getting a bit thin on the ground these days since the NRA put a kibosh on federal money being used to fund gun violence studies. bit strange that a country with such a huge gun crime problem wouldn't want to spend any government money researching the issue...

anyways i'm done here. continue to live in your NRA haze of ignorance. at least you got your guns to keep you safe. idiot.



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lol. see this type of foolishness is what i was talking about. as my dad always said, never try to argue with an idiot. they'll only drag you down to their level then beat you on experience.

I'm NOT arguing with you , I'm correcting you there's a difference  ;)

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where did i say banning bump stocks or rifles was worthwhile? . you say rifles only account for 3% of all gun murders.? well what % of all gun murders involve a gun of any type?...lol

your quote where did i say banning bump stocks or rifles was worthwhile? One sentence later i said you need to reduce the number of ALL types of gun in circulation. You're contradicting yourself left & right.  ;)

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oh it's a mental health issue not a gun issue. what a crock of sht. show me the evidence that shows that the US has a significantly greater prevalence of mental health issues than any comparable country... the difference is the number of guns you have in circulation . end of story.

Moron , pay attention. The VAST majority of gun deaths are the result of suicide , that's an unaddressed mental heath issue. And there is NO '' comparable country " considering we have a population of 323 million and 400 million private firearms. Your stupidity knows no bounds and I'll bitch slap you some more , would banning firearms reduce murder & suicide? http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf Let me sum it up for you because A) you don't have the balls to read it in it's entirety and B) you're to fucking stupid to comprehend what you're reading. The answer is a RESOUNDING NO  ;)

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again utter BS that reducing gun ownership will create victims. pretty much every credible bit of research shows that gun owners and their family are way more likely to come to harm than non gun owning households...i suppose relevant studies are getting a bit thin on the ground these days since the NRA put a kibosh on federal money being used to fund gun violence studies. bit strange that a country with such a huge gun crime problem wouldn't want to spend any government money researching the issue...

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. You need to learn how to argue your point dummy , assertions get you no where.


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anyways i'm done here. continue to live in your NRA haze of ignorance. at least you got your guns to keep you safe. idiot.

You've been done , you're just to dense to realize it. You're getting bitch slapped left & right with facts and numbers , and your appeals from emotion have failed you utterly as has your ad hominem attacks . You're a proud little man trying to save face but you're in WAY over your head arguing on a subject you don't have one fucking iota on what you're speaking about. Run along moron you're dismissed.  8)
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 05, 2018, 01:22:01 PM
We voted a reality TV star with a history of lying and womanizing into the highest office in the land.

I didn't vote for Trump , I think he's an idiot but he's EONS fucking better than that girl.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: jude2 on March 05, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
Then he is a genius
Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Conker on March 06, 2018, 12:37:55 AM
I'm NOT arguing with you , I'm correcting you there's a difference  ;)

your quote where did i say banning bump stocks or rifles was worthwhile? One sentence later i said you need to reduce the number of ALL types of gun in circulation. You're contradicting yourself left & right.  ;)

Moron , pay attention. The VAST majority of gun deaths are the result of suicide , that's an unaddressed mental heath issue. And there is NO '' comparable country " considering we have a population of 323 million and 400 million private firearms. Your stupidity knows no bounds and I'll bitch slap you some more , would banning firearms reduce murder & suicide? http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf Let me sum it up for you because A) you don't have the balls to read it in it's entirety and B) you're to fucking stupid to comprehend what you're reading. The answer is a RESOUNDING NO  ;)

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. You need to learn how to argue your point dummy , assertions get you no where.


You've been done , you're just to dense to realize it. You're getting bitch slapped left & right with facts and numbers , and your appeals from emotion have failed you utterly as has your ad hominem attacks . You're a proud little man trying to save face but you're in WAY over your head arguing on a subject you don't have one fucking iota on what you're speaking about. Run along moron you're dismissed.  8)


this is what i was saying about arguing with an idiot. banning only bump sticks and rifles will not do a lot to address the overall gun problem. banning ALL guns(or hugely reducing numbers) will massively reduce the gun problem. how are these two statements contradictory? you have the comprehension skills of a 9 year old.

"bitch slapped left & right with facts and numbers" lol what a fkin idiot. you keep going on about suicide. OK...france, belgium, japan, south korea have higher suicide rates than the US. most of scandinavia pretty similar to the US.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/world-suicide-rate-map-2014-4?r=US&IR=T

you want to now go and check the murder/gun violence rates between the US and the rest of the first world....as i said already you're afkin idiot and arguing with you is a pointless and fruitless task.



Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 06, 2018, 03:46:20 AM

this is what i was saying about arguing with an idiot. banning only bump sticks and rifles will not do a lot to address the overall gun problem. banning ALL guns(or hugely reducing numbers) will massively reduce the gun problem. how are these two statements contradictory? you have the comprehension skills of a 9 year old.

"bitch slapped left & right with facts and numbers" lol what a fkin idiot. you keep going on about suicide. OK...france, belgium, japan, south korea have higher suicide rates than the US. most of scandinavia pretty similar to the US.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/world-suicide-rate-map-2014-4?r=US&IR=T

you want to now go and check the murder/gun violence rates between the US and the rest of the first world....as i said already you're afkin idiot and arguing with you is a pointless and fruitless task.





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this is what i was saying about arguing with an idiot. banning only bump sticks and rifles will not do a lot to address the overall gun problem. banning ALL guns(or hugely reducing numbers) will massively reduce the gun problem. how are these two statements contradictory? you have the comprehension skills of a 9 year old.

You asked where did i say banning bump stocks or rifles was worthwhile? two seconds later you said i said you need to reduce the number of ALL types of gun in circulation. Direct contradiction. You said where did I say banning bump stocks or rifles was worthwhile , then you we need to reduce ALL types , that's a direct contradiction. Make up your mind stupid. And you never addressed how we're supposed to ' hugely reduce the numbers ' I already explained to you what happens with confiscation , it leads to more gun violence. Because you have to have people with guns to go and confiscate the gun to ' hugely reduce the numbers ' Some will give them up , most won't,violence ensues , congrats moron you've exacerbated the gun violence problem 30 fold. Your " solution " is a non-solution.

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"bitch slapped left & right with facts and numbers" lol what a fkin idiot. you keep going on about suicide. OK...france, belgium, japan, south korea have higher suicide rates than the US. most of scandinavia pretty similar to the US.

Irrelevant to the point of reducing GUN violence in the USA stupid. My point is that's where the vast majority of gun violence comes from and NOT the rare mass shooting event. And because you're to fucking stupid and didn't have the intellectual honesty to read the Harvard study asking the question would banning firearms reduce murder & suicide? again , it's a resounding no. Get it? Banning guns will not reduce murder & suicide. So once again , you're wrong.

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you want to now go and check the murder/gun violence rates between the US and the rest of the first world....as i said already you're afkin idiot and arguing with you is a pointless and fruitless task.

This has been addressed and then you morons play semantics games. Again stupid , I'm NOT arguing with you , I'm correcting you and your lies and bullshit. You're another ignorant Brit who thinks he knows what's going on in this country and knows what's best for it, The gun issue in America is very nuanced and convoluted , You're not American or a gun owner you don't know this, You're an outsider looking in thinking you know what's going on. You're like a child who interrupts grown-ups having a complex discussion thinking you know what's going on and you're hopelessly clueless. You people don't have the time and desire to learn the facts because they don't effect you directly. You watch a headline designed to capture your attention and you fall for it. Mass media has another brainless consumer of headlines , You like to think you're an intelligent guy , but on this subject you're a fucking IDIOT with simplistic solutions to a very complex problem that's not even your own.

Do yourself a favor either brush up on facts and get real knowledgeable or shut the fuck up or run the risk of looking stupid with each post , We already knew which one you chose.      
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 06, 2018, 04:26:21 AM
Why can't we own grenades?
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 06, 2018, 09:50:30 AM
Why can't we own grenades?

right? sometimes I want to fish but don't really have time for it so if I want to lob a grenade into the pond to bag my limit, I oughta have that right
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 06, 2018, 12:36:11 PM
Why can't we own grenades?

Why? pressure cooker with shrapnel and nails in it , same effect.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: funk51 on March 10, 2018, 10:43:27 AM
trump's best idea arming teachers... can't afford to give them basic supplies in many poor school districts, but we can afford to give them guns.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: funk51 on March 10, 2018, 12:43:25 PM
trump likes to have little tryst with porn stars... i wonder if putin has pics of trump getting pissed on by prostitutes  ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D just a little alliteration on a rainy Saturday. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: werewolf operative on March 10, 2018, 01:15:53 PM
Putin "couldn't care less" if Russians interfered in U.S. elections, suggests it could have been "Jews"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vladimir-putin-jews-ukrainians-tatars-election-meddling-couldnt-care-less-russians-interfered/

http://thehill.com/policy/international/russia/377747-putin-jews-ukrainians-with-russian-citizenship-could-be-behind-us

(https://i.giphy.com/media/44HPHjz8vLgt2/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: TTfit on March 10, 2018, 02:26:18 PM
Phew. Thank God for Trump.  ::)

I'm confident that raising the age to buy weapons will prevent mass shootings.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 10, 2018, 03:17:00 PM
Trump trying to deny Americans their constitutional rights.

Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: Twaddle on March 10, 2018, 03:28:35 PM
Trump trying to deny Americans their constitutional rights.



I once bought a 44 mag from a gentleman, in a gas station parking lot.  He showed me his pistol that he carries in his waistband.  I asked him how long he'd been licensed to conceal carry.  He told me he didn't have a CHL.  I looked at him a little stunned.  He then proceeded to tell me, "I don't need a CHL to conceal carry, it is my God given right."

God gave him that right.   :D

True story.
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: SF1900 on March 10, 2018, 03:56:20 PM
I once bought a 44 mag from a gentleman, in a gas station parking lot.  He showed me his pistol that he carries in his waistband.  I asked him how long he'd been licensed to conceal carry.  He told me he didn't have a CHL.  I looked at him a little stunned.  He then proceeded to tell me, "I don't need a CHL to conceal carry, it is my God given right."

God gave him that right.   :D

True story.

Lol at God given right.

Looks like Trump is trying to take away that right
Title: Re: Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21
Post by: chaos on March 10, 2018, 04:52:45 PM
Why? pressure cooker with shrapnel and nails in it , same effect.
Let's just ignore Boston.