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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Coach is Back! on April 08, 2018, 04:07:18 PM
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/londons-mayor-declares-intense-new-knife-control-emily-zanotti
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there is no need for sharp objects in today's society.
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other than killing something, or shooting at targets, what is a gun good for?
Other than killing something, what is a knife good for?
Hope this helps with the ban knives argument Coach.
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I assume London must have a mass knifing event in their schools on an almost weekly basis
Maybe instead of banning knives they could start with background check, registration, training etc..
You know, the same stuff that is being recommended in this country regarding guns
I assume the National Knife Association in London will immediately deride all these ideas and the people who support them and suggest that the only solution to a bad guy with a knife is a good guy with a knife
Maybe deputize all sushi chefs and put one in every school (at least the food would improve)
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I assume London must have a mass knifing event in their schools on an almost weekly basis
Maybe instead of banning knives they could start with background check, registration, training etc..
You know, the same stuff that is being recommended in this country regarding guns
I assume the National Knife Association in London will immediately deride all these ideas and the people who support them and suggest that the only solution to a bad guy with a knife is a good guy with a knife
Maybe deputize all sushi chefs and put one in every school (at least the food would improve)
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other than killing something, or shooting at targets, what is a gun good for?
Other than killing something, what is a knife good for?
Hope this helps with the ban knives argument Coach.
Well? Are you going to answer that?
I assume you don't carry a knife?
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other than killing something, or shooting at targets, what is a gun good for?
Other than killing something, what is a knife good for?
Hope this helps with the ban knives argument Coach.
Is it fair to say your gun, as a police officer, gave you peace of mind?
Why do you have guns, as you've mentioned, these days?
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other than killing something, or shooting at targets, what is a gun good for?
Other than killing something, what is a knife good for?
Hope this helps with the ban knives argument Coach.
I thought you were a cop
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Is it fair to say your gun, as a police officer, gave you peace of mind?
Why do you have guns, as you've mentioned, these days?
would it be fair to say, the mantra "ban Knives!" when someone somewhere is stabbed, is a pretty ridiculous gun argument? If the majority of americans were truly callling for banning all guns, verses stricter more common sense gun control, then perhaps.
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would it be fair to say, the mantra "ban Knives!" when someone somewhere is stabbed, is a pretty ridiculous gun argument? If the majority of americans were truly callling for banning all guns, verses stricter more common sense gun control, then perhaps.
What is "stricter more common sense gun control"?
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What is "stricter more common sense gun control"?
Google it.. but for a start, there is no need for military type weapons, there is no need for high capacity magazines, there is no reason a person with violent tendencies should be able to purchase a gun or keep a gun. You shouldn't be able to buy an AR15 over the internet
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Google it.. but for a start, there is no need for military type weapons, there is no need for high capacity magazines, there is no reason a person with violent tendencies should be able to purchase a gun or keep a gun. You shouldn't be able to buy an AR15 over the internet
AR 15 are not military weapons.
What is high capacity magazines?
How do you know if someone has violent tendencies?
In order to purchase a gun legally, it has to ship to an FFL and you still have to do paperwork.
Have you ever bought a gun? Have you ever bought a gun online?
So if our 20,000+ gun laws aren't working, do you believe a few more will?
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would it be fair to say, the mantra "ban Knives!" when someone somewhere is stabbed, is a pretty ridiculous gun argument? If the majority of americans were truly callling for banning all guns, verses stricter more common sense gun control, then perhaps.
No, I think it brings out the ridiculousness of the anti-gun stand, and that's why it may be used.
I don't think there's a question whether you gained a sense of security from your gun when you were actively policing. But now, do your guns give you that?
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AR 15 are not military weapons.
What is high capacity magazines?
How do you know if someone has violent tendencies?
In order to purchase a gun legally, it has to ship to an FFL and you still have to do paperwork.
Have you ever bought a gun? Have you ever bought a gun online?
So if our 20,000+ gun laws aren't working, do you believe a few more will?
Yes, exactly. We can run like hell from the fact this is about people, but guaranteed it'll catch up to us as a whole -- and blast us to smithereens much worse than any gun could ever do.
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Yes, exactly. We can run like hell from the fact this is about people, but guaranteed it'll catch up to us as a whole -- and blast us to smithereens much worse than any gun could ever do.
Military type weapons, long guns that were designed for killing humans. AR is an M-16 without the auto feature, unless you put a bump stock on it..
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bought several guns. I know for a fact you can buy an AR15 from a stranger on line with no paperwork.
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Military type weapons, long guns that were designed for killing humans. AR is an M-16 without the auto feature, unless you put a bump stock on it..
Ban both of these, right?
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Military type weapons, long guns that were designed for killing humans. AR is an M-16 without the auto feature, unless you put a bump stock on it..
Since you know some humans are dangerous, though, a fact that holds your stand: How can you explain the stand?
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Military type weapons, long guns that were designed for killing humans. AR is an M-16 without the auto feature, unless you put a bump stock on it..
There are some humans that need to be killed. If you break into my house, if you threaten my life, if you attempt to rape my women, If you attempt to kidnap my children....You gotta go.
Since there are certain people that need to be killed, I'd prefer to kill them with an effective weapon. I'm not interested in getting into any fair fights.
All that ignores the real intent of the 2nd Amendment which was to protect against a government that has become tyrannical....another situation that calls for folks being killed.
Talking about these realities makes people uncomfortable but we shouldn't bullshit ourselves that it doesn't happen and won't continue to happen.
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There are some humans that need to be killed. If you break into my house, if you threaten my life, if you attempt to rape my women, If you attempt to kidnap my children....You gotta go.
Since there are certain people that need to be killed, I'd prefer to kill them with an effective weapon. I'm not interested in getting into any fair fights.
All that ignores the real intent of the 2nd Amendment which was to protect against a government that has become tyrannical....another situation that calls for folks being killed.
Talking about these realities makes people uncomfortable but we shouldn't bullshit ourselves that it doesn't happen and won't continue to happen.
"need" to be killed ?
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There are some humans that need to be killed. If you break into my house, if you threaten my life, if you attempt to rape my women, If you attempt to kidnap my children....You gotta go.
Since there are certain people that need to be killed, I'd prefer to kill them with an effective weapon. I'm not interested in getting into any fair fights.
All that ignores the real intent of the 2nd Amendment which was to protect against a government that has become tyrannical....another situation that calls for folks being killed.
Talking about these realities makes people uncomfortable but we shouldn't bullshit ourselves that it doesn't happen and won't continue to happen.
f you can't stop them with a handgun or shotgun or deer rifle.. then you won't with an AR or AK. and BTW, if you chose a deer rifle over a shogun for home defense... you should probably google more.
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There are some humans that need to be killed. If you break into my house, if you threaten my life, if you attempt to rape my women, If you attempt to kidnap my children....You gotta go.
Since there are certain people that need to be killed, I'd prefer to kill them with an effective weapon. I'm not interested in getting into any fair fights.
All that ignores the real intent of the 2nd Amendment which was to protect against a government that has become tyrannical....another situation that calls for folks being killed.
Talking about these realities makes people uncomfortable but we shouldn't bullshit ourselves that it doesn't happen and won't continue to happen.
That is laughable. Your AR against an F-15.. tell me how that works out
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"need" to be killed ?
I’ve stated the same thing to 240 that Pray 4 war just said. Yes, someone comes through my door, window or whatever in the middle of the night (or anytime) and threaten my family that person will die...with no remorse
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I’ve stated the same thing to 240 that Pray 4 war just said. Yes, someone comes through my door, window or whatever in the middle of the night (or anytime) and threaten my family that person will die...with no remorse
and I and and several million others agree with you
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"need" to be killed ?
Fuckin-A right. See the examples I gave you.
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f you can't stop them with a handgun or shotgun or deer rifle.. then you won't with an AR or AK. and BTW, if you chose a deer rifle over a shogun for home defense... you should probably google more.
Then why do swat teams respond to active shooters like this? Why don't they just charge in with their Glocks drawn?
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That is laughable. Your AR against an F-15.. tell me how that works out
Tell me how the war in Iraq has worked out.
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I’ve stated the same thing to 240 that Pray 4 war just said. Yes, someone comes through my door, window or whatever in the middle of the night (or anytime) and threaten my family that person will die...with no remorse
...And where I live the law agrees 100%. Just don't shoot them in the back as they flee. If they try to run away when you draw your weapon, let them.
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Then why do swat teams respond to active shooters like this? Why don't they just charge in with their Glocks drawn?
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too many nuts with AR's out there
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Why should the cops need to respond to report of shots fired like this, but I'm only allowed a handgun or a shotgun. Are their lives more valuable than mine or my family?
http://www.vindy.com/news/2017/jun/07/swat-team-called-after-south-side-neighb/
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If these weapons aren't good for home defense or close quarters combat then why do swat guys use them.
Are they stupid, do they need to google more? Where are their shotguns? Two of these ni66as are wearing ghillie suits, lol.
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Military type weapons, long guns that were designed for killing humans. AR is an M-16 without the auto feature, unless you put a bump stock on it..
BTW...the 1911, glocks, sigs are all used in the military, are they military type weapons also?
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Why should the cops need to respond to report of shots fired like this, but I'm only allowed a handgun or a shotgun. Are their lives more valuable than mine or my family?
http://www.vindy.com/news/2017/jun/07/swat-team-called-after-south-side-neighb/
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Yours? absolutely. Your family.. no, they're even
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Yours? absolutely. Your family.. no, they're even
Makes sense coming from you. Seems you think the police should armed far superior to the public. I'm catching on to you now, you're just supporting and encouraging the agenda you've been programmed to push, disarming the public.
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Makes sense coming from you. Seems you think the police should armed far superior to the public. I'm catching on to you now, you're just supporting and encouraging the agenda you've been programmed to push, disarming the public.
man I thought I would go at least 6 more months before I was found out...
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bought several guns. I know for a fact you can buy an AR15 from a stranger on line with no paperwork.
you can buy drugs online too. they are already illegal, but you can still get them.
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man I thought I would go at least 6 more months before I was found out...
Since you missed it, I'm interested in your input on this
BTW...the 1911, glocks, sigs are all used in the military, are they military type weapons also?
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Since you missed it, I'm interested in your input on this
I've addressed it before, but I see where I need to put long gun in on a consistent basis because not everyone reads every post. Military type long guns are what I am talking about. hand guns are reasonable weapons to carry if authorized, for personal defense and the defense of others. It doesn't give the shooter long range capabilities or superior firepower over 1st responders. But it will allow them to protect themselves. And yes, they can be used in mass shootings but again, not from the 30th floor across a parking lot into a crowd of concert goers. I'm not against the 2nd amendment. I'm for it. I'm just against what I consider to be military type long gun weapons with high capacity mags that have been used over and over in mass shootings.
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I've addressed it before, but I see where I need to put long gun in on a consistent basis because not everyone reads every post. Military type long guns are what I am talking about. hand guns are reasonable weapons to carry if authorized, for personal defense and the defense of others. It doesn't give the shooter long range capabilities or superior firepower over 1st responders. But it will allow them to protect themselves. And yes, they can be used in mass shootings but again, not from the 30th floor across a parking lot into a crowd of concert goers. I'm not against the 2nd amendment. I'm for it. I'm just against what I consider to be military type long gun weapons with high capacity mags that have been used over and over in mass shootings.
It's odd since handguns kill around 20x's as many people every year as long guns.
I guess that's where all the confusion starts, you're ok with and completely accepting of people owning weapons that kill 7k people per year in the US, but want to ban a gun that kills less than 400. ??? Are you really trying to address the problem?
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It's odd since handguns kill around 20x's as many people every year as long guns.
I guess that's where all the confusion starts, you're ok with and completely accepting of people owning weapons that kill 7k people per year in the US, but want to ban a gun that kills less than 400. ??? Are you really trying to address the problem?
cars kill a heck of a lot more than that. But some things are things we have to accept, others arent.
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cars kill a heck of a lot more than that. But some things are things we have to accept, others arent.
So you're ok with more people killing each other with pistols, knives, fists, blunt objects, cars, opiods, etc...just as long as it's not an AR15 ???
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I've addressed it before, but I see where I need to put long gun in on a consistent basis because not everyone reads every post. Military type long guns are what I am talking about. hand guns are reasonable weapons to carry if authorized, for personal defense and the defense of others. It doesn't give the shooter long range capabilities or superior firepower over 1st responders. But it will allow them to protect themselves. And yes, they can be used in mass shootings but again, not from the 30th floor across a parking lot into a crowd of concert goers. I'm not against the 2nd amendment. I'm for it. I'm just against what I consider to be military type long gun weapons with high capacity mags that have been used over and over in mass shootings.
Stop writing "military type long guns." Just stop it. The military doesn't use AR-15s.
Enough notable mass shooters used 10-round magazines. Have you defined high-capacity magazine yet?
Using the Vegas shooter as an example to ban magazines of a particular capacity is like wanting to ban passenger vans because 13 Texas church members died when a motorist hit them head on last year. The Vegas shooting is such an outlier that we can't use it to develop public policies. And you better believe there are handguns that the shooter could've used; he was not aiming at anyone - he just shot at the crowd.
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So you're ok with more people killing each other with pistols, knives, fists, blunt objects, cars, opiods, etc...just as long as it's not an AR15 ???
It's not a real hard concept to grasp, but I will explain it again. There are things in life we just have to put up with because it's the cost of doing business. Deaths from car crashes, etc. But there is NO reason to own an AR15 that weighs heavily against the use of them in shootings. So get rid of them, reduce the killings.
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Stop writing "military type long guns." Just stop it. The military doesn't use AR-15s.
Enough notable mass shooters used 10-round magazines. Have you defined high-capacity magazine yet?
Using the Vegas shooter as an example to ban magazines of a particular capacity is like wanting to ban passenger vans because 13 Texas church members died when a motorist hit them head on last year. The Vegas shooting is such an outlier that we can't use it to develop public policies. And you better believe there are handguns that the shooter could've used; he was not aiming at anyone - he just shot at the crowd.
The military uses an M-16 which is the same thing with the auto select not an option. So nah.. don't think I will stop saying that.
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The AR-15 is a very capable and appropriate weapon for many different applications and that's why it is the most popular, best selling rifle in the United States. Other than the ability to easily mount accessories to it like lights and such, there isn't a damn bit of difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-automatic rifle. Banning them would do fuck-all to prevent violent crime, murder, and mass shootings. Banning them is a deliberate attempt to undermine, infringe upon, and neuter the 2nd Amendment to the point that it is impossible to exercise the God-given right to bear arms.
You want to reduce school shootings? Stop having children out of wedlock. Stop feeding your children anti-depressants when they act out because their father isn't around and mom is on boyfriend number 3. Stop letting the internet raise your children. Stop exposing them to sex and violence before their little brains have finished forming. Stop buying them Call of Duty and Halo, and other fist person shooter games for their birthday. Spend some fucking time with them. Teach them how to socialize with other kids. Take them outside. Teach them how to be a man. Discipline them when they make mistakes. Stop capitualting to their every want and desire out of guilt for your shitty life choices.
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It's not a real hard concept to grasp, but I will explain it again. There are things in life we just have to put up with because it's the cost of doing business. Deaths from car crashes, etc. But there is NO reason to own an AR15 that weighs heavily against the use of them in shootings. So get rid of them, reduce the killings.
LMAO, same concept they used to stop people OD'ing on heroin right?
"Reduce the killings".....less than 400 per year. Why not get rid of handguns, save thousands per year ???
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LMAO, same concept they used to stop people OD'ing on heroin right?
"Reduce the killings".....less than 400 per year. Why not get rid of handguns, save thousands per year ???
same argument as the cars.. they provide a necessary service.
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LMAO, same concept they used to stop people OD'ing on heroin right?
"Reduce the killings".....less than 400 per year. Why not get rid of handguns, save thousands per year ???
Attempted handgun bans are next.
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Attempted handgun bans are next.
from who? Will there be a few holding signs saying that? sure. but the vast majority of Americans want better gun regulations and want to keep the right to own handguns. So where do you see this next step coming from?
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from who? Will there be a few holding signs saying that? sure. but the vast majority of Americans want better gun regulations and want to keep the right to own handguns. So where do you see this next step coming from?
All you people peddling the nonsense that we need to ban "assault weapons." If you were really concerned about "gun violence," you would be targeting the weapons used in most crimes and mass murders. The only reason you're not is it would be too unpopular. Only Justice Stevens and a handful of others are honest enough to state the real objective: repeal of the Second Amendment.
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All you people peddling the nonsense that we need to ban "assault weapons." If you were really concerned about "gun violence," you would be targeting the weapons used in most crimes and mass murders. The only reason you're not is it would be too unpopular. Only Justice Stevens and a handful of others are honest enough to state the real objective: repeal of the Second Amendment.
then I can categorically tell you that you are wrong
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then I can categorically tell you that you are wrong
Whatever. Go ahead and call for a ban on "assault weapons," instead of the handguns that actually kill the overwhelming majority of people. We know what the real intent is.
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Whatever. Go ahead and call for a ban on "assault weapons," instead of the handguns that actually kill the overwhelming majority of people. We know what the real intent is.
I would call a ban on handguns if that's what I wanted to ban. I don't
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I would call a ban on handguns if that's what I wanted to ban. I don't
What you are advocating makes no sense.
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We wouldn't have any of these discussions if we'd just ban Murder!
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What you are advocating makes no sense.
I get that you don't agree with it. But it does make sense. I can live with it either way. If nothing changes, I'll probably be fine.
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I get that you don't agree with it. But it does make sense. I can live with it either way. If nothing changes, I'll probably be fine.
No it doesn't at all actually. It's like someone trying address deaths caused by driving under the influence by targeting people who drive while under the influence of heroin (which likely causes comparatively few deaths), but not alcohol (which causes the majority of deaths).
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No it doesn't at all actually. It's like someone trying address deaths caused by driving under the influence by targeting people who drive while under the influence of heroin (which likely causes comparatively few deaths), but not alcohol (which causes the majority of deaths).
I think we've reached that point where we are just spinning wheels.
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same argument as the cars.. they provide a necessary service.
You're full of fucking shit. Nobody NEEDS a handgun or a car for that matter. Neither are necessary, both kill more people than rifles.
What you are advocating makes no sense.
Liberal train of thought, just makes no sense but they'll shout about it until they're blue in the face.
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You're full of fucking shit. Nobody NEEDS a handgun or a car for that matter. Neither are necessary, both kill more people than rifles.
Liberal train of thought, just makes no sense but they'll shout about it until they're blue in the face.
Or try and censor you.
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Or try and censor you.
Like the riots when that Milos Yappinapolis(whatever) guy tried to speak? Or the attacks on pro Trump supporters at rallies?
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It's not a real hard concept to grasp, but I will explain it again. There are things in life we just have to put up with because it's the cost of doing business. Deaths from car crashes, etc. But there is NO reason to own an AR15 that weighs heavily against the use of them in shootings. So get rid of them, reduce the killings.
To be fair, though, you admitted in another thread that it's not possible.
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Like the riots when that Milos Yappinapolis(whatever) guy tried to speak? Or the attacks on pro Trump supporters at rallies?
Like the tech giants blocking or banning people from social media because they don't like their politics?
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The military uses an M-16 which is the same thing with the auto select not an option. So nah.. don't think I will stop saying that.
Think using a Lambo kit on a Volvo chassis: you’ll look cool but never win a race.
This is the AR-15 vs. an actual assault rifle.
Just stop it.
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Like the riots when that Milos Yappinapolis(whatever) guy tried to speak? Or the attacks on pro Trump supporters at rallies?
And shouting down Betsy DeVos, censoring Charles Murray and having him leave with a police escort.
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To be fair, though, you admitted in another thread that it's not possible.
True, what is out there is out there. eventually they will be expensive and not so easily accessible like weapons that have been banned or strictly regulated in the past
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True, what is out there is out there. eventually they will be expensive and not so easily accessible like weapons that have been banned or strictly regulated in the past
Such as?
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Such as?
Thompson machine guns
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Thompson machine guns
I'm sure gun crime plummeted after that. ::)
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I'm sure gun crime plummeted after that. ::)
like a South West airplane
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like a South West airplane
That was funny. :D
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Looking around for a list of banned guns, because (honestly) I don't know and it's interesting. But I noticed information on other countries who have banned guns (Australia, for one) only to find their crime rates went through the roof. I suppose that's consistent with the CDC-ordered study showing guns are used defensively way more than we've been led to believe.