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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: willl on April 09, 2018, 11:58:39 AM
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These last couple of years I've amassed everything I could in terms of nutrition and (exercise) physiology knowledge
I've taken courses, read the latest articles, reviewed older and modern research, books, blabla once you get to a certain point there really is no significant novelty ..
For about 10 years, I was one of those guys who used to rely heavily on AAS, training and food, in that particular order
I used to think solid dry gains were a result of 90% gear, and then the other two (+sleep)
So I'm doing this experiment to see for myself if the food-myth is true or false...
I already know from diverse past experiences and logbooks what my body goes through while cycling so I'd like to compare those results with the new ones on the supposedly better and improved nutritional formulas i'm on.
So far I'm 5 weeks in and using less gear but stuffing myself constantly with every healthy food alternative possible while increasing my water intake to where it should be.
What I can already notice and say is this:
The gains are truly SLOWER (so that's not really what i was hoping for) and I can't say they are denser or leaner because I always had those results
But I don't experience stomach issues anymore, distention, acidity, digestion problems,...
I have a great amount of full-day energy and no lethargy (my first time experiencing this constant energy)
Muscles are full all the time, reminds me of my heavy insulin days
Sleep is good.. BP is under control... Liver results came back normal
The only blood analysis negative is RBC and hematocrit, which i will have to remedy by donating E2M
I hope one month from now this so-called ultimate food therapy will yield better physical results
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These last couple of years I've amassed everything I could in terms of nutrition and (exercise) physiology knowledge
I've taken courses, read the latest articles, reviewed older and modern research, books, blabla once you get to a certain point there really is no significant novelty ..
For about 10 years, I was one of those guys who used to rely heavily on AAS, training and food, in that particular order
I used to think solid dry gains were a result of 90% gear, and then the other two (+sleep)
So I'm doing this experiment to see for myself if the food-myth is true or false...
I already know from diverse past experiences and logbooks what my body goes through while cycling so I'd like to compare those results with the new ones on the supposedly better and improved nutritional formulas i'm on.
So far I'm 5 weeks in and using less gear but stuffing myself constantly with every healthy food alternative possible while increasing my water intake to where it should be.
What I can already notice and say is this:
The gains are truly SLOWER (so that's not really what i was hoping for) and I can't say they are denser or leaner because I always had those results
But I don't experience stomach issues anymore, distention, acidity, digestion problems,...
I have a great amount of full-day energy and no lethargy (my first time experiencing this constant energy)
Muscles are full all the time, reminds me of my heavy insulin days
Sleep is good.. BP is under control... Liver results came back normal
The only blood analysis negative is RBC and hematocrit, which i will have to remedy by donating E2M
I hope one month from now this so-called ultimate food therapy will yield better physical results
46 views and no one wants to say it so I will.. gear= fast gains but you will shrink when you come off most guys don't have the mental capacity to handle that so most cannot see life without them..
eating clean some cheat foods is no new concept but what you gain you keep ..now don't get me wrong to each his own I know some guys who will use low doses 20 to 30 mg t ball or d ball per day 30 days on 6 months off to help with a small boost and for joint pain but if you relly want to test you're theory you have to come off gear during you're test or its pointless
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You are using less gear and eating cleaner .. do I have that right?
Post some specifics, like doses before & now and what you're eating
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i dont believe in gearless bbing
its integral to the equation
i now hold the sportsnutrition 'diploma' and i'd like to see if those strategies actually work.. thats all
so i halved the gear and tripled the food, along with every other 'health-promoting' nutrition trick there is
i want to check for myself if the food can or cant make a difference
i heavily relied on gear in the past and obtained very good results along with the sides including enlarged organs (which i actually believe are necessary to accommodate a heavy muscled person)
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You are using less gear and eating cleaner .. do I have that right?
Post some specifics, like doses before & now and what you're eating
pm is what you have
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so the conclusion is as follows: no miracles and everything is as expected
better food, better health, energy, digestion, skin, blablabla
as far as gains are concerned, they were actually better too yet more slowly (22lbs over 45days, ok for my ectomorph body type)
ofcourse this means phase 2 = upping everything and see where i stand in 4 months
HINT for serious bbers (and in case your country limits your yearly donations) = tell your doc to prescribe you "erythrocytosis induced phlebotomies" which will allow you to go to your local clinic whenever you feel like it and piss out 500ml of blood through a vein punction. diminishes a large portion of BP, LVH and kidney related sides AS WELL
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got to work with your body also, your own physiology is very important, first visit Lyle's Bodyrecomposition site. I would personally do UD2 and juice for best gains. It's an extremely long topic...
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Who are you again?
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Stan Efferding's vertical diet seems to be the new thing to do in the fitness, powerlifting, bodybuilding, strength and endurance world. Makes a lot of sense, not to mention Stan has spent thousands of dollars on hiring the top nutritionists in the bodybuilding, strength and conditioning world. Also has blood work done monthly for years. Currently is doing Hafthor's diet, as well as Brian Shaw, Larry Wheels, some top Crossfit athletes, and some bodybuilding competitors as well. The diet makes a lot of sense when he breaks it down from a micronutrient and macronutrient level.
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i like the premise of this vertical diet. the only problem i can see is a lack of variety but it has to be tried to be sure. perhaps it turns out not to be a problem. i think ill give this a shot and see if it increases my intake abilities without sacrifying overall health. thanks
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Thanks for sharing dude
How about your total cal intake?
Is it more than it was when you were on higher amounts of gear?
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These last couple of years I've amassed everything I could in terms of nutrition and (exercise) physiology knowledge
I've taken courses, read the latest articles, reviewed older and modern research, books, blabla once you get to a certain point there really is no significant novelty ..
For about 10 years, I was one of those guys who used to rely heavily on AAS, training and food, in that particular order
I used to think solid dry gains were a result of 90% gear, and then the other two (+sleep)
So I'm doing this experiment to see for myself if the food-myth is true or false...
I already know from diverse past experiences and logbooks what my body goes through while cycling so I'd like to compare those results with the new ones on the supposedly better and improved nutritional formulas i'm on.
So far I'm 5 weeks in and using less gear but stuffing myself constantly with every healthy food alternative possible while increasing my water intake to where it should be.
What I can already notice and say is this:
The gains are truly SLOWER (so that's not really what i was hoping for) and I can't say they are denser or leaner because I always had those results
But I don't experience stomach issues anymore, distention, acidity, digestion problems,...
I have a great amount of full-day energy and no lethargy (my first time experiencing this constant energy)
Muscles are full all the time, reminds me of my heavy insulin days
Sleep is good.. BP is under control... Liver results came back normal
The only blood analysis negative is RBC and hematocrit, which i will have to remedy by donating E2M
I hope one month from now this so-called ultimate food therapy will yield better physical results
So basically, avoid drugs, eat a balanced diet and get enough sleep.
My mother told me this 50 years ago.
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Thanks for sharing dude
How about your total cal intake?
Is it more than it was when you were on higher amounts of gear?
yes it is, but like i said i am now going to move forward to similar levels of previous gear usage (but without orals etc) along with the improved nutrition, this shd get me where i want to be..
hopefully within the next 5 months
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So basically, avoid drugs, eat a balanced diet and get enough sleep.
My mother told me this 50 years ago.
not really
your mother was a good person
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not really
your mother was a good person
My mother would have made an excellent concentration camp guard.
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Stan Efferding's vertical diet seems to be the new thing to do in the fitness, powerlifting, bodybuilding, strength and endurance world. Makes a lot of sense, not to mention Stan has spent thousands of dollars on hiring the top nutritionists in the bodybuilding, strength and conditioning world. Also has blood work done monthly for years. Currently is doing Hafthor's diet, as well as Brian Shaw, Larry Wheels, some top Crossfit athletes, and some bodybuilding competitors as well. The diet makes a lot of sense when he breaks it down from a micronutrient and macronutrient level.
Vince Gironda diet ;)
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My mother would have made an excellent concentration camp guard.
Auschwitz diet is still the best diet + free gym membership :)
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My new food experiment
Be specific about what you're eating.
How are you training?
Any legal supplementation?
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Vince Gironda diet ;)
if Gironda's diet included rice and fruit (and veggies)
Gironda's diet was mostly steak and eggs
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Stan Efferding's vertical diet seems to be the new thing to do in the fitness, powerlifting, bodybuilding, strength and endurance world. Makes a lot of sense, not to mention Stan has spent thousands of dollars on hiring the top nutritionists in the bodybuilding, strength and conditioning world. Also has blood work done monthly for years. Currently is doing Hafthor's diet, as well as Brian Shaw, Larry Wheels, some top Crossfit athletes, and some bodybuilding competitors as well. The diet makes a lot of sense when he breaks it down from a micronutrient and macronutrient level.
not to side track OG Post - can you explain the vertical diet in a nutshell? and what yours looks like
for me the best diet advice has come from Dave Palumbo
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not to side track OG Post - can you explain the vertical diet in a nutshell? and what yours looks like
for me the best diet advice has come from Dave Palumbo
here's a link with a bunch of info
https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/314517-stan-efferding-the-vertical-diet-20-the-complete-book/
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#1 Best Diet =
Gal/Noone diet
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I started the vertical diet approach (tweeked it to my needs) yesterday.
Will be doing it for 2 months and hopefully gain around 40lbs
Ambition is to turn pro (classic) on november 27th
Current meal plan:
- 2 eggs, 2 unripe bananas, 1 orange
- chicken broth
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125g (dry) white rice, zucchini
- 200gr white fish, 500gr mashed potatoes, cucumber
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125 (dry) white rice, green pepper or carrots
- 80gr mackerel, 75gr(dry) white rice, green olives
- 200gr greek yoghurt, dark grapes
Daily additions: alkaline water, mac oil, baking soda, flaxseed oil
Will adapt and increase along the way if necessary
T prop, Deca, aromasin, nolva
8 wo's /week, every muscle twice
will update in 2 months
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I started the vertical diet approach (tweeked it to my needs) yesterday.
Will be doing it for 2 months and hopefully gain around 40lbs
Ambition is to turn pro (classic) on november 27th
Current meal plan:
- 2 eggs, 2 unripe bananas, 1 orange
- chicken broth
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125g (dry) white rice, zucchini
- 200gr white fish, 500gr mashed potatoes, cucumber
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125 (dry) white rice, green pepper or carrots
- 80gr mackerel, 75gr(dry) white rice, green olives
- 200gr greek yoghurt, dark grapes
Daily additions: alkaline water, mac oil, baking soda, flaxseed oil
Will adapt and increase along the way if necessary
T prop, Deca, aromasin, nolva
8 wo's /week, every muscle twice
will update in 2 months
What are your current stats? Any pics? Getbig will tell you right away if you have the potential to be a pro. How have you done at shows?
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I started the vertical diet approach (tweeked it to my needs) yesterday.
Will be doing it for 2 months and hopefully gain around 40lbs
Ambition is to turn pro (classic) on november 27th
Current meal plan:
- 2 eggs, 2 unripe bananas, 1 orange
- chicken broth
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125g (dry) white rice, zucchini
- 200gr white fish, 500gr mashed potatoes, cucumber
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125 (dry) white rice, green pepper or carrots
- 80gr mackerel, 75gr(dry) white rice, green olives
- 200gr greek yoghurt, dark grapes
Daily additions: alkaline water, mac oil, baking soda, flaxseed oil
Will adapt and increase along the way if necessary
T prop, Deca, aromasin, nolva
8 wo's /week, every muscle twice
will update in 2 months
I see many things that aren't on the vertical diet listed on your plan, not to mention specific things that are left out, for one Stan's post workout protocol.
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I see many things that aren't on the vertical diet listed on your plan, not to mention specific things that are left out, for one Stan's post workout protocol.
you're right, i'm not stan efferding
i should have said "inspired by"
i had no intention to copycat his protocol
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2 weeks in:
the most inexplicable diet i've ever had
all of the food goes in and maybe 2/5 comes out. but it doesnt translate to heavier scale, increments of -100gr/day only
stomach and body are cutting all the while growing steady lean muscle (great for someone who has patience)
bottomline; i dont like it. switched to more calories and things are going better now
gained 5lbs over 2 weeks, have 35 more to gain in the following 9 weeks
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genetics matter, as does your response to gear. thats it.
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I think the best diet is meat, dairy products, vegetables, and fruit.
High fiber grains are ok too.
That's just what I think.