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Maybe we should go ahead and let California secede?
California becomes first state to mandate solar panels on new homes
Brooke Singman By Brooke Singman | Fox News
President Trump imposed a trade tariff on solar panels last month, Alicia Acuna reports on the decision's impact on companies in the US.
California has become the first state in the nation to mandate solar panels for all new homes, in a move to cut greenhouse gas emissions that critics say will end up raising home prices in the already expensive market.
In a unanimous 5-0 vote Wednesday, the California Energy Commission approved the policy.
The regulation will require all homes and apartments built after 2020 to have solar panels, adding an average of roughly $10,000 to construction costs for a single-family home. On the flip side, the commission says, the panels could yield much more in energy savings.
Spokeswoman for the Energy Commission Amber Beck told Fox News that under the new standards, new homes would be expected to reduce energy use by more than 50 percent. She argued that the change will lead to savings in the long run.
“For residential homeowners, based on a 30-year mortgage, the Energy Commission estimates that the standards will add about $40 to an average monthly payment, but save consumers $80 on monthly heating, cooling, and lighting bills,” Beck said in a statement. “On average the 2019 standards will increase the cost of constructing a new home by about $9,500 but will save $19,000 in energy and maintenance costs over 30 years.”
El Paso Electric brought their new community solar facility online, the biggest in Texas
Few industry groups outwardly oppose the plan after working for years with the commission to shape the regulations. But Republican legislative leaders said Californians can't afford to pay any more for housing in the state's already expensive market.
"That's just going to drive the cost up and make California, once again, not affordable to live," said Assemblyman Brian Dahle, the chamber's Republican leader.
The solar panel decision is just the latest example of what critics see as the state’s ever-evolving nanny-state policies. California often is at the leading edge of government mandates and bans, having recently prohibited everything from plastic bags to foie gras – and even flirting with phasing out internal combustion engines.
Bill Watt, a homebuilder and design consultant, told The Orange County Register the added solar panel costs, in addition to other building mandates, will make homeownership out of reach for many buyers.
“We’re not building enough housing already,” Watt, former president of the Orange County Building Industry Association, told The OCR. “Why not just pause for a little while, focus on the affordability and housing issues, then circle back?”
Despite the increase in construction costs, the California Building Industry Association generally supports the plan, but expressed a preference to delay the launch.
“[W]e would prefer that this had been put off for a few more years, but the fact is that the California Energy Commission has been working on this, with us, for the past 10 years,” the association’s technical director, Robert Raymer, said in a statement, noting that the group worked with the state’s energy commission to alter the policy. “We know this is coming, we did everything we could to push down compliance costs and increase design flexibility.”
The mandate is the latest win for the solar industry, despite past controversies tied to companies' use of taxpayer funds.
The most notorious example was California company Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy in 2011. An Energy Department inspector general report in 2015 said the company misrepresented facts in order to secure a $535 million loan guarantee from the federal government. Taxpayer lost most of that money in the deal.
The new California measure would reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 700,000 metric tons over three years, according to the commission. The Energy Commission said this would be equivalent to taking 115,000 cars off the road.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/09/california-becomes-first-state-to-mandate-solar-panels-on-new-homes.html
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Maybe we should go ahead and let California secede?
California becomes first state to mandate solar panels on new homes
Brooke Singman By Brooke Singman | Fox News
President Trump imposed a trade tariff on solar panels last month, Alicia Acuna reports on the decision's impact on companies in the US.
California has become the first state in the nation to mandate solar panels for all new homes, in a move to cut greenhouse gas emissions that critics say will end up raising home prices in the already expensive market.
In a unanimous 5-0 vote Wednesday, the California Energy Commission approved the policy.
The regulation will require all homes and apartments built after 2020 to have solar panels, adding an average of roughly $10,000 to construction costs for a single-family home. On the flip side, the commission says, the panels could yield much more in energy savings.
Spokeswoman for the Energy Commission Amber Beck told Fox News that under the new standards, new homes would be expected to reduce energy use by more than 50 percent. She argued that the change will lead to savings in the long run.
“For residential homeowners, based on a 30-year mortgage, the Energy Commission estimates that the standards will add about $40 to an average monthly payment, but save consumers $80 on monthly heating, cooling, and lighting bills,” Beck said in a statement. “On average the 2019 standards will increase the cost of constructing a new home by about $9,500 but will save $19,000 in energy and maintenance costs over 30 years.”
El Paso Electric brought their new community solar facility online, the biggest in Texas
Few industry groups outwardly oppose the plan after working for years with the commission to shape the regulations. But Republican legislative leaders said Californians can't afford to pay any more for housing in the state's already expensive market.
"That's just going to drive the cost up and make California, once again, not affordable to live," said Assemblyman Brian Dahle, the chamber's Republican leader.
The solar panel decision is just the latest example of what critics see as the state’s ever-evolving nanny-state policies. California often is at the leading edge of government mandates and bans, having recently prohibited everything from plastic bags to foie gras – and even flirting with phasing out internal combustion engines.
Bill Watt, a homebuilder and design consultant, told The Orange County Register the added solar panel costs, in addition to other building mandates, will make homeownership out of reach for many buyers.
“We’re not building enough housing already,” Watt, former president of the Orange County Building Industry Association, told The OCR. “Why not just pause for a little while, focus on the affordability and housing issues, then circle back?”
Despite the increase in construction costs, the California Building Industry Association generally supports the plan, but expressed a preference to delay the launch.
“[W]e would prefer that this had been put off for a few more years, but the fact is that the California Energy Commission has been working on this, with us, for the past 10 years,” the association’s technical director, Robert Raymer, said in a statement, noting that the group worked with the state’s energy commission to alter the policy. “We know this is coming, we did everything we could to push down compliance costs and increase design flexibility.”
The mandate is the latest win for the solar industry, despite past controversies tied to companies' use of taxpayer funds.
The most notorious example was California company Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy in 2011. An Energy Department inspector general report in 2015 said the company misrepresented facts in order to secure a $535 million loan guarantee from the federal government. Taxpayer lost most of that money in the deal.
The new California measure would reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 700,000 metric tons over three years, according to the commission. The Energy Commission said this would be equivalent to taking 115,000 cars off the road.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/09/california-becomes-first-state-to-mandate-solar-panels-on-new-homes.html
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yeah either that or secede
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Maybe we should go ahead and let California sucede?
California becomes first state to mandate solar panels on new homes
Brooke Singman By Brooke Singman | Fox News
President Trump imposed a trade tariff on solar panels last month, Alicia Acuna reports on the decision's impact on companies in the US.
California has become the first state in the nation to mandate solar panels for all new homes, in a move to cut greenhouse gas emissions that critics say will end up raising home prices in the already expensive market.
In a unanimous 5-0 vote Wednesday, the California Energy Commission approved the policy.
The regulation will require all homes and apartments built after 2020 to have solar panels, adding an average of roughly $10,000 to construction costs for a single-family home. On the flip side, the commission says, the panels could yield much more in energy savings.
Spokeswoman for the Energy Commission Amber Beck told Fox News that under the new standards, new homes would be expected to reduce energy use by more than 50 percent. She argued that the change will lead to savings in the long run.
“For residential homeowners, based on a 30-year mortgage, the Energy Commission estimates that the standards will add about $40 to an average monthly payment, but save consumers $80 on monthly heating, cooling, and lighting bills,” Beck said in a statement. “On average the 2019 standards will increase the cost of constructing a new home by about $9,500 but will save $19,000 in energy and maintenance costs over 30 years.”
El Paso Electric brought their new community solar facility online, the biggest in Texas
Few industry groups outwardly oppose the plan after working for years with the commission to shape the regulations. But Republican legislative leaders said Californians can't afford to pay any more for housing in the state's already expensive market.
"That's just going to drive the cost up and make California, once again, not affordable to live," said Assemblyman Brian Dahle, the chamber's Republican leader.
The solar panel decision is just the latest example of what critics see as the state’s ever-evolving nanny-state policies. California often is at the leading edge of government mandates and bans, having recently prohibited everything from plastic bags to foie gras – and even flirting with phasing out internal combustion engines.
Bill Watt, a homebuilder and design consultant, told The Orange County Register the added solar panel costs, in addition to other building mandates, will make homeownership out of reach for many buyers.
“We’re not building enough housing already,” Watt, former president of the Orange County Building Industry Association, told The OCR. “Why not just pause for a little while, focus on the affordability and housing issues, then circle back?”
Despite the increase in construction costs, the California Building Industry Association generally supports the plan, but expressed a preference to delay the launch.
“[W]e would prefer that this had been put off for a few more years, but the fact is that the California Energy Commission has been working on this, with us, for the past 10 years,” the association’s technical director, Robert Raymer, said in a statement, noting that the group worked with the state’s energy commission to alter the policy. “We know this is coming, we did everything we could to push down compliance costs and increase design flexibility.”
The mandate is the latest win for the solar industry, despite past controversies tied to companies' use of taxpayer funds.
The most notorious example was California company Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy in 2011. An Energy Department inspector general report in 2015 said the company misrepresented facts in order to secure a $535 million loan guarantee from the federal government. Taxpayer lost most of that money in the deal.
The new California measure would reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 700,000 metric tons over three years, according to the commission. The Energy Commission said this would be equivalent to taking 115,000 cars off the road.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/09/california-becomes-first-state-to-mandate-solar-panels-on-new-homes.html
Edited to correct a typo. The Village Idiot proving, daily, that she is the dumbest mofo on this board. lol :)
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Edited to correct a typo. The Village Idiot proving, daily, that she is the dumbest mofo on this board. lol :)
LOL - yeah sure it was a typo
Gotta hand it to you bum. You don't know the difference between succeed and secede and when you try to correct it you STILL spell it wrong
and then you try to call and me an idiot and the dumbest mofo on this board
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Edited to correct a typo. The Village Idiot proving, daily, that she is the dumbest mofo on this board. lol :)
Corrected again. The Village Idiot providing daily comic relief. Friggin simpleton. lol
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Corrected again. The Village Idiot providing daily comic relief. Friggin simpleton. lol
Why all the name calling Bum
I didn't call you any names in my first post. I wasn't even harsh to you in my first post.
You're the one that fucked up and you're calling me an idiot?
I gave you the correct spelling and you still spelled it wrong and then proceed to call me an idiot again?
All you had to do was say "my bad" or "oops" or something but I guess you just can't help being a douche
It's just your nature
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This will drive more people out of California.
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LOL
yeah either that or secede
The thread derail started here. Go away
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The thread derail started here. Go away
Right? I'm not sure the Village Idiot even understands that.
Some seriously screwed up people in California. I don't know how you live there.
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Right? I'm not sure the Village Idiot even understands that.
Some seriously screwed up people in California. I don't know how you live there.
I do. I'm in Orange Co. The most conservative county in the state. But yes. California's Government is so far off the deep end it's scary.
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I do. I'm in Orange Co. The most conservative county in the state. But yes. California's Government is so far off the deep end it's scary.
My condolences mang.
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This will drive more people out of California.
Why?
Can't wait to hear this Trumptard logic
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This will drive more people out of California.
You think? 10K is not much in California on a new home. According to the article, it could show a positive return on the investment on a monthly basis and pay for itself relatively quickly. Personally, I wouldn't balk at purchasing a new home that has solar panels and cost 10K more than one without. Heating and cooling cost in Texas can be brutal
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You think? 10K is not much in California on a new home. According to the article, it could show a positive return on the investment on a monthly basis and pay for itself relatively quickly. Personally, I wouldn't balk at purchasing a new home that has solar panels and cost 10K more than one without. Heating and cooling cost in Texas can be brutal
Dems really, really love mandates to spend other people's money.
I'm not against it....happening in California that is. ;D
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I do. I'm in Orange Co. The most conservative county in the state. But yes. California's Government is so far off the deep end it's scary.
My condolences mang.
agreed
my condolences joe
I didn't realize you felt so scared
try to relax
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Why?
Can't wait to hear this Trumptard logic
If you can’t figure this out I’m calling COMPLETE bullshit on your “finance” degree. But then again you’re a socialist that admitted to voting for Bernie Sanders.
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If you can’t figure this out I’m calling COMPLETE bullshit on your “finance” degree. But then again you’re a socialist that admitted to voting for Bernie Sanders.
Sanders was gushing over this on Facebook. How any sane, rational person can live there is beyond me.
Yeah, time to take a star off the flag.
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Liberals hate poor people and the middle class
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why would anyone be against this? doesn't this also create new jobs.
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why would anyone be against this? doesn't this also create new jobs.
Broken Windows Fallacy - like all liberal failed economic ideas and thoughts. Another cash for clunkers fiasco.
Putting home ownership out of reach for poor and middle class - one liberal brain dead scam at a time.
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https://www.kqed.org/news/11666284/5-reasons-californias-housing-costs-are-so-high
Now add another MINIMUM of $10k for mandated solar panals. I’m not against the idea of solar, we’ve actually thought of installing them when we replace our roof this summer. It does save money. But at least give people the option by maybe offering some sort tax incentive.
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Broken Windows Fallacy - like all liberal failed economic ideas and thoughts. Another cash for clunkers fiasco.
Putting home ownership out of reach for poor and middle class - one liberal brain dead scam at a time.
what industry is being robbed in this scenario? the energy companies?
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https://www.kqed.org/news/11666284/5-reasons-californias-housing-costs-are-so-high
Now add another MINIMUM of $10k for mandated solar panals. I’m not against the idea of solar, we’ve actually thought of installing them when we replace our roof this summer. It does save money. But at least give people the option by maybe offering some sort tax incentive.
there's is a tax credit for installing solar panels though
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there's is a tax credit for installing solar panels though
Tax credit = scam paid for by taxpayers since solar panels on their own not worth cost or attractive by themselves.
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there's is a tax credit for installing solar panels though
I know that. I’m talking about the ones mandated on new homes.
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Liberals hate poor people and the middle class
Lawyers are bottom feeders that profit off others despair