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If you cannot win, manipulate the rules. Liberals are dangerous. I think this is unconstitutional.
Blue states rally to upend Electoral College, with addition of Connecticut
Alex Pappas By Alex Pappas | Fox News
Democratic Gov. Dannel Malloy is expected to sign the legislation into law, following the state Senate approving legislation opting Connecticut into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact on May 5. The state House passed the legislation last month.
“The National Popular Vote Compact will ensure an equal vote for every American citizen, regardless of which state they happen to live in,” Malloy said in a statement.
Other jurisdictions that have joined the pact include California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia — all places where Clinton defeated Trump in 2016. Connecticut would be the first state to sign on since 2014, when New York joined.
“The vote of every American citizen should count equally, yet under the current system, voters from sparsely populated states are awarded significantly more power than those from states like Connecticut,” Malloy said. “This is fundamentally unfair.”
But critics say the pact would actually hurt smaller states like Connecticut, given that candidates would be likely to only focus on large population centers and neglect rural areas.
And from a constitutional perspective, the proposal could also run into obvious legal challenges.
“Not only did the framers of the Constitution expressly reject the idea of a direct, popular election for president, but also not one state either in the wake of ratification or at any time thereafter has ever sought to appoint its presidential electors on the basis of votes cast outside the state, as the National Popular Vote Compact requires,” law professor Norman R. Williams argued in the BYU Law Review.
Trump has not publicly supported The National Popular Vote Compact. But he has said he would prefer picking a president based on the popular vote.
“I would rather have a popular election, but it's a totally different campaign," Trump said during an interview last month "Fox & Friends."
The plan has been pushed for last several years, and proponents are working to get other states to pass legislation joining the pact. According to the National Popular Vote website, the proposal has passed in at least one house in 11 other states, including Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Maine, Michigan, North Carolina, New Mexico, Nevada, Oklahoma and Oregon.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/10/blue-states-rally-to-upend-electoral-college-with-addition-connecticut.html
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The Democrats have inched to 172 EC votes but need 270 to make it work. Only Democrats have won the popular vote or a majority while losing in the EC. Such a scheme would have recently given us Presidents Gore and HR Clinton – they know exactly what they’re doing.
If it were in play and a Republican won the popular vote, but an EC vote would elect a Democrat, you’d see CA’s governor sign an executive order opting out of the Compact on election night or the morning after. Heads I win, tails you lose.
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The Democrats have inched to 172 EC votes but need 270 to make it work. Only Democrats have won the popular vote or a majority while losing in the EC. Such a scheme would have recently given us Presidents Gore and HR Clinton – they know exactly what they’re doing.
If it were in play and a Republican won the popular vote, but an EC vote would elect a Democrat, you’d see CA’s governor sign an executive order opting out of the Compact on election night or the morning after. Heads I win, tails you lose.
Yep. Pretty much.
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Liberalism is a mental disorder
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Demoncrats are some of the most manipulative, conniving, undermining, backstabbing "people".
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Demoncrats are some of the most manipulative, conniving, undermining, backstabbing "people".
but of course they are dear
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I've always held since I was 18, that one vote should count the same as any other vote. Living in texas, it was never a feeling of Democracy knowing my vote didnt count.
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I've always held since I was 18, that one vote should count the same as any other vote. Living in texas, it was never a feeling of Democracy knowing my vote didnt count.
That’s so noble of you. Go amend the constitution if you feel so strongly about it
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That’s so noble of you. Go amend the constitution if you feel so strongly about it
I plan on it
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I plan on it
You liberals are so fng dumb. A state like CT 6 ECV means a hell of a lot more than the small amount of votes they give to the total tally. So stupid and incompetent, but to be expected from TDS afflicted libs.
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I've always held since I was 18, that one vote should count the same as any other vote. Living in texas, it was never a feeling of Democracy knowing my vote didnt count.
And that's why the Founders set up the electoral college: to deal with people like you.
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Startling.
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How about just fix this once and for all and only allow taxpayers to vote as was intended? The republic WILL end - it's really a forgone conclusion when you allow those who are on the govt dole to vote for more.
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Re-counts would go on forever if a Republican won just like in the mid-terms. They're still recounting. But like Trump said, if it ever came down to it and the EC was overturned his campaign would run much different and he'd still win.
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How about just fix this once and for all and only allow taxpayers to vote as was intended? The republic WILL end - it's really a forgone conclusion when you allow those who are on the govt dole to vote for more.
This. 8)
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Startling.
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This is the exact point of federalism. Smaller states will see that their population's interests are railroaded for pork-barrelling to where more votes will come from.
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This is the exact point of federalism. Smaller states will see that their population's interests are railroaded for pork-barrelling to where more votes will come from.
Liberals have a tough time understanding this simple concept.
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Liberals have a tough time understanding this simple concept.
You are correct. I don't get that where I live geographically means my vote doesn't count as much as Bill who lives in another state. Shouldn't matter where you live in America as long as you are an American
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This is the exact point of federalism. Smaller states will see that their population's interests are railroaded for pork-barrelling to where more votes will come from.
Not only that, but can you imagine how fucked up our country would be if our laws and leaders were decided by the morality of LA??? Holy shit it would be filth!
If this ever happened, states would leave the union. We do not need NY of Cali. The financial sector can be moved easily, and there is plenty of farmland in red states or blue one's that aren't bat completely shit crazy. Honestly it might be the best thing that ever happened to our country if it occurred.
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Someone should start up a conversation regarding the pros and cons of gerrymandering in recent years.
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Someone should start up a conversation regarding the pros and cons of gerrymandering in recent years.
Good point. Or even that the Electoral College isn't evenly distributed at this point. The largest states are underrepresented.. but that is a pretty deep subject...this is getbig..
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Startling.
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Wow Yes that is a Startling Fact !!
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One man one vote - Majority wins in Principle is Right & Correct.
Only in Practice often times to many other factors can & do affect how people vote.
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Wow Yes that is a Startling Fact !!
are you aware that with the electoral college, the largest states are actually underrepresented?
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are you aware that with the electoral college, the largest states are actually underrepresented?
Is that largest population wise ? And No I didn’t know.
Though read my previous post.
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Is that largest population wise ? And No I didn’t know.
I was reading an article, well several over the last few days that say the EC was great in its inception, but for example, California vs Wyoming, Wyoming gets a lot more EC votes per population than california. It made me readjust my anti EC position to say yeah, if you equal out the population to votes, I can live with it I can look for the most compelling article if it is something you are interested in
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Move to Wyoming......problem solved.
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One man one vote - Majority wins in Principle is Right & Correct.
Only in Practice often times to many other factors can & do affect how people vote.
I tend to agree with you regarding "one man, one vote - majority wins." I also agree that there are other factors to consider.
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I was reading an article, well several over the last few days that say the EC was great in its inception, but for example, California vs Wyoming, Wyoming gets a lot more EC votes per population than california. It made me readjust my anti EC position to say yeah, if you equal out the population to votes, I can live with it I can look for the most compelling article if it is something you are interested in
Yes I would be interested as I’d like to know more.
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I tend to agree with you regarding "one man, one vote - majority wins." I also agree that there are other factors to consider.
How good is that - Even we can agree on something’s at times.
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On rare occasions, electors do not vote as pledged. The Constitution and federal law do not require electors to abide by the results of the popular vote in their states, so occasionally “faithless electors” go rogue and cast ballots for candidates other than the one to whom they are pledged.
Nebraska and Maine are the only states that do not automatically award all of their electors to the winner of the state popular vote.
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Yes I would be interested as I’d like to know more.
This one is pretty indepth
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/how-fair-is-the-electoral-college/
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This one is pretty indepth
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/how-fair-is-the-electoral-college/
Thanks
Yes it is in depth.!!
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Thanks
Yes it is in depth.!!
what's your thoughts after reading it?
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The majority of people are idiots.
Do you want majority rule?
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This one is pretty indepth
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/how-fair-is-the-electoral-college/
In regards to Commiefornia, Texas, Florida and NY....what percentage of the population is being counted on the census that 1) have had their right to vote stripped away due to crimes? 2) are in the country illegally and aren't supposed to vote (unless they vote democrat of course)?
Florida has estimated 1.6 million people that have lost their right to vote.
Commiefornia has estimated 225k (seems very low to me living in this state) that have lost their right to vote.
Florida has an estimated 77k illegal immigrants
Commiefornia has an estimated 2.6M illegal immigrants
NY has an estimated 725k illegal immigrants
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In regards to Commiefornia, Texas, Florida and NY....what percentage of the population is being counted on the census that 1) have had their right to vote stripped away due to crimes? 2) are in the country illegally and aren't supposed to vote (unless they vote democrat of course)?
Florida has estimated 1.6 million people that have lost their right to vote.
Commiefornia has estimated 225k (seems very low to me living in this state) that have lost their right to vote.
Florida has an estimated 77k illegal immigrants
Commiefornia has an estimated 2.6M illegal immigrants
NY has an estimated 725k illegal immigrants
How are they able to register to vote if they are illegals and or lost the right to vote ?
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How are they able to register to vote if they are illegals and or lost the right to vote ?
Just fill out some forms to register. As far as voting goes, you tell them a name and address, if they can't find it in their little book, you write it down. It's a terribly flawed system and voter ID laws would help tremendously in proving who is/has voted. But demoncrats have continually voted down such laws claiming them to be racist. LMAO gotta show ID to buy beer, cash a check, board a plane.....but show ID to vote? Racism!!!
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Just fill out some forms to register. As far as voting goes, you tell them a name and address, if they can't find it in their little book, you write it down. It's a terribly flawed system and voter ID laws would help tremendously in proving who is/has voted. But demoncrats have continually voted down such laws claiming them to be racist. LMAO gotta show ID to buy beer, cash a check, board a plane.....but show ID to vote? Racism!!!
That’s an awfully flawed system - Ridiculous Really - So it would be possible to vote more than once.
Now how can anyone legitimately defend the Democraps being against Voting For reforming that
Flawed system.
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Just fill out some forms to register. As far as voting goes, you tell them a name and address, if they can't find it in their little book, you write it down. It's a terribly flawed system and voter ID laws would help tremendously in proving who is/has voted. But demoncrats have continually voted down such laws claiming them to be racist. LMAO gotta show ID to buy beer, cash a check, board a plane.....but show ID to vote? Racism!!!
In Florida, where I reside I had to show a drivers license. When I signed in I didn't put a lot of effort into my signature. It didn't match the signature on my license close enough for the person checking my registration. They called a supervisor over. I had to show a couple other forms of ID before they let me vote. So I don't think it is as easy in real life as you make it out.
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In Florida, where I reside I had to show a drivers license. When I signed in I didn't put a lot of effort into my signature. It didn't match the signature on my license close enough for the person checking my registration. They called a supervisor over. I had to show a couple other forms of ID before they let me vote. So I don't think it is as easy in real life as you make it out.
Really? How was Texas? In Ca (a lovely sanctuary state with over 2 million illegals) I gave them an address and a name. No ID was every asked for.
As a matter of fact, a few years back I went to the wrong polling place, wrote in my own name and address by hand and voted. Never showed ID then either. I don't think it's as hard as you're making it out to be.
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Really? How was Texas? In Ca (a lovely sanctuary state with over 2 million illegals) I gave them an address and a name. No ID was every asked for.
As a matter of fact, a few years back I went to the wrong polling place, wrote in my own name and address by hand and voted. Never showed ID then either. I don't think it's as hard as you're making it out to be.
Here is a list of the acceptable forms of photo ID:
Texas Driver License issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
Texas Personal Identification Card issued by DPS
Texas Handgun License issued by DPS
United States Military Identification Card containing the person’s photograph
United States Citizenship Certificate containing the person’s photograph
United States Passport (book or card)
With the exception of the U.S. Citizenship Certificate, which does not expire, for voters aged 18-69, the acceptable form of photo identification may be expired no more than four years before being presented for voter qualification at the polling place. For voters aged 70 or older, the acceptable form of photo identification may be expired for any length of time if the identification is otherwise valid.
Election Identification Certificates are available from DPS driver license offices during regular business hours. Find mobile station locations here.
Here is a list of the supporting forms of ID that can be presented if the voter does not possess one of the forms of acceptable photo ID and cannot reasonably obtain one:
copy or original of a government document that shows the voter’s name and an address, including the voter’s voter registration certificate;
copy of or original current utility bill;
copy of or original bank statement;
copy of or original government check;
copy of or original paycheck; or
copy of or original of (a) a certified domestic (from a U.S. state or territory) birth certificate or (b) a document confirming birth admissible in a court of law which establishes the voter’s identity (which may include a foreign birth document).
After presenting one of the forms of supporting ID listed above, the voter must execute a Reasonable Impediment Declaration.
Procedures for Voting
When a voter arrives at a polling location, the voter will be asked to present one of the seven (7) acceptable forms of photo ID that is current or, for voters aged 18-69, expired no more than four years. Voters aged 70 or older may present one of the seven (7) acceptable forms of photo ID that is expired for any length of time that is otherwise valid. If a voter does not possess one of the seven (7) acceptable forms of photo ID and cannot reasonably obtain one, the voter may present a supporting form of ID and execute a Reasonable Impediment Declaration, noting the voter’s reasonable impediment to obtaining an acceptable form of photo identification, stating that the information contained in the declaration is true, that the voter is the same individual personally appearing at the polling place to sign the declaration, and that the voter faces a reasonable impediment to procuring an acceptable form of photo identification.
Election officials are still required by State law to determine whether the voter’s name on the identification provided (acceptable photo ID, or supporting form of ID, if applicable) matches the name on the official list of registered voters (“OLRV”). After a voter presents their ID, whether it’s an acceptable form of photo ID or a supporting form of ID (if applicable), the election worker will compare it to the OLRV. If the name on the ID matches the name on the list of registered voters, the voter will follow the regular procedures for voting.
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Texas sounds great.
According to the Office of the California Secretary of State, "in most cases, California voters are not required to show identification at their polling place."