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Title: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on May 15, 2018, 04:17:55 PM
Why aren't you repenting and leaving?
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: robcguns on May 15, 2018, 06:01:41 PM
Fuck the Indians.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Slapper on May 15, 2018, 08:08:37 PM
Why aren't you repenting and leaving?

Chief Fuck-Sheep-in-the-Dark says "go fuck yourself".
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on May 15, 2018, 08:54:27 PM
What an unusual thread topic.  Are there things, "BBSSchlemiel"?
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: calfzilla on May 15, 2018, 11:32:28 PM
Why aren't you repenting and leaving?

Your posts are right leaning recently. I thought you were a Trump hating liberal?  ???
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Royalty on May 16, 2018, 12:36:14 AM
Your posts are right leaning recently. I thought you were a Trump hating liberal?  ???

It makes no sense

It’s Danimal77... aka Nether Animal.. he is just trying to get any type of attention that he can. Notice how he hasn’t followed up his statement with anything.... the post was just a desperate grab for attention. The most important thing in his life is the random bodybuilding pics thread. Other than that, he has nothing in his life.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: falco on May 16, 2018, 12:41:05 AM
Saw an interesting movie about indians and their land. Called "Hostiles" with Christian Bale.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: IRON CROSS on May 16, 2018, 12:54:09 AM
Indian Indians or North American 1 .
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Kwon on May 16, 2018, 01:41:33 AM
Indian Indians or North American 1 .

Martian Indians and Moon Indians.

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/history-native_american_indian-moon-lunar_landing-invasion-settler-jcen317_low.jpg)

(https://bathroombloggers.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/spaceindia.jpg)
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Powerlift66 on May 16, 2018, 02:02:17 AM
Didnt steal anything, came to a fairly desolate land to live in and build, savages were running around the wooded plains also trying to kill "the white man", another cry-baby race.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on May 16, 2018, 02:35:33 AM
It makes no sense

It’s Danimal77... aka Nether Animal.. he is just trying to get any type of attention that he can. Notice how he hasn’t followed up his statement with anything.... the post was just a desperate grab for attention. The most important thing in his life is the random bodybuilding pics thread. Other than that, he has nothing in his life.

I never even heard of that poster.

No life eh? A kid (aiming for more), wife, family, friends, full time job. Yeah, no life. Actually the reason I sometimes can't follow up on posts is because of my life.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on May 16, 2018, 02:37:24 AM
Your posts are right leaning recently. I thought you were a Trump hating liberal?  ???

More like a right-wing Libertarian Trump hater. You know, one who "hates" and "discriminates".
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Zillotch on May 16, 2018, 02:40:36 AM
A kid (aiming for more)

not a good time... shits about to go ballistic
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on May 16, 2018, 05:03:09 AM
not a good time... shits about to go ballistic

I've actually trepidated over this, abour how I'm going to raise children in an increasingly degenerative time in world history.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: IroNat on May 16, 2018, 07:39:50 AM
Americans Indians weren't exactly angels living in the garden of eden.

They were continuously warring against other tribes for control of land and resources.

It was a stone age civilization.  

The Europeans came in with advanced technology and numbers and they couldn't survive.

Survival of the fittest.  If the Indians could have killed all the Europeans they would have done it.

It sucks to lose a war.

Darwin said the species that survive are those that adapt the best to change.  American Indians for the most part never adapted.  They remained on their reservations living in poverty, stubbornly continuing their stone age society.





Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: IRON CROSS on May 16, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
Americans Indians weren't exactly angels living in the garden of eden.

They were continuously warring against other tribes for control of land and resources.

It was a stone age civilization.  

The Europeans came in with advanced technology and numbers and they couldn't survive.

Survival of the fittest.  If the Indians could have killed all the Europeans they would have done it.

It sucks to lose a war.

Darwin said the species that survive are those that adapt the best to change.  American Indians for the most part never adapted.  They remained on their reservations living in poverty, stubbornly continuing their stone age society.







Just like in Australia , locals of Indian DNA exterminated by cannibalism much smaller pygmy race.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: fredrollon on May 16, 2018, 02:06:14 PM
 
???

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Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Fortress on May 16, 2018, 02:28:11 PM
Fuck the Indians.

Indeed. Fuck ‘em.

As others in this thread say, all the warring savages hadn’t done squat to solidify any type of rule. Sticking bones through their noses and toking up into oblivion.

The filthy Muzzies now think they’re gonna take our nations.

The wars are coming.

The stinking shitskins won’t know what hit them.

The Nazi spirit will rise.



Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Zillotch on May 16, 2018, 03:08:59 PM
I've actually trepidated over this, abour how I'm going to raise children in an increasingly degenerative time in world history.

beyond morality, I'm talking general safety/survival. I wouldn't bring anyone into the world at this time unless u r ok with them dying in a potentially super unpleasant manner. to my mind the end of humanity is a mathematical certainty sooner rather than later barring divine intervention.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Fortress on May 16, 2018, 03:31:41 PM
I agree.

I love my children too much to ever have them.

This world stinks. The human race is a cesspool of garbage.

I do marvel at the goodness of some and the amazing artistic and technological creations of which humans are responsible, but I also recognize the overwhelming number that is devoid of decency, humility and honour.

We’re too weak and prone to addictions and corruption.

In short, our shit overpowers our awesomeness.

And it’ll only get worse as the majority of births are now from uneducated and pathetic parents and/or religious fruitcakes who’ve long since lost sanity and dominion over their minds.

When I’m worm food, that’ll be it for my specific bloodline.

And I’m happy about this.

(And to those who’d make jokes, I absolutely do not think it’s remotely important to have kids to “carry on my name”. My family name is only important to me, and I realize, outside of my family, it’s completely expendable. No one gives a rat’s ass. Just like no one gives a toss about yours.)

The future belongs to chaos, suffering and horror.

Until I croak, in my head it’s just 1984.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Zillotch on May 16, 2018, 04:26:08 PM
The future belongs to chaos, suffering and horror.

exactly right
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 16, 2018, 06:19:24 PM
I agree.

I love my children too much to ever have them.

This world stinks. The human race is a cesspool of garbage.

I do marvel at the goodness of some and the amazing artistic and technological creations of which humans are responsible, but I also recognize the overwhelming number that is devoid of decency, humility and honour.

We’re too weak and prone to addictions and corruption.

In short, our shit overpowers our awesomeness.

And it’ll only get worse as the majority of births are now from uneducated and pathetic parents and/or religious fruitcakes who’ve long since lost sanity and dominion over their minds.

When I’m worm food, that’ll be it for my specific bloodline.

And I’m happy about this.

(And to those who’d make jokes, I absolutely do not think it’s remotely important to have kids to “carry on my name”. My family name is only important to me, and I realize, outside of my family, it’s completely expendable. No one gives a rat’s ass. Just like no one gives a toss about yours.)

The future belongs to chaos, suffering and horror.

Until I croak, in my head it’s just 1984.

pretty much sums up.my feelings, although I'll be spending my retirement years far away from the shit metropolis I live in now and enjoy.some piece and quite till I'm gone for good.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 16, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
Native tribes were enslaving, murdering and capturing land from rival tribes any way. This silly notion they were all smoking peace pipes and had respect for the land and wildlife is bullshit. They did whatever needed to be done to survive. To the victor go the spoiled, that's how it's always been and will be.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Zillotch on May 16, 2018, 07:46:46 PM
if peeps had any clue about how truly savage indians were... they would wish them dead, even now. they were monsters.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Fortress on May 16, 2018, 08:29:16 PM
if peeps had any clue about how truly savage indians were... they would wish them dead, even now. they were monsters.

And, like chocolates, generally speaking, cannot get their collective shit together in the modern age.

Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Parker on May 16, 2018, 08:30:31 PM
Saw an interesting movie about indians and their land. Called "Hostiles" with Christian Bale.
The movie could have delved more into the relationship between the Cheyenne and Comanche, as well more from the escorted Cheyenne Chief and his family. More dialogue instead of stoic silence, and staring into campfires.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: GigantorX on May 17, 2018, 12:23:19 PM
Two civilizations fought.

One civilization was the victor and the other civilization was the loser.

It happens.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Notomorrow on May 17, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
Indians are not indigenous...It was a wave of migration from Eurasia across the then crossable land at the Berng straight...the Vikings were also exploring Nortn America long before English or Spanish

Bottom line

It was a very unexplored, virgin country..White settlers did the best job of settling an creating a country including brutal westward expansion where families died and/or were attacked by indians...Tne Lewis and Clarke expedition...California settlements..the gold rush..homesteading..Amer icams worked tne hardest to settle and hard work won.

Indians had little unity..fractured tribes that were very violent with each other and others ...despite the politically correct vision of these poor, peace pipe smoking, calm environmentalists who were ambushed by the evil white man

North America was up for grabs...from all directions including Indians that crossed from Eurasia..hence the STRONG resemblance especially in the eyes of Native Americans and asians.

Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Fortress on May 17, 2018, 02:08:06 PM
Precisely.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Parker on May 17, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
Indians are not indigenous...It was a wave of migration from Eurasia across the then crossable land at the Berng straight...the Vikings were also exploring Nortn America long before English or Spanish

Bottom line

It was a very unexplored, virgin country..White settlers did the best job of settling an creating a country including brutal westward expansion where families died and/or were attacked by indians...Tne Lewis and Clarke expedition...California settlements..the gold rush..homesteading..Amer icams worked tne hardest to settle and hard work won.

Indians had little unity..fractured tribes that were very violent with each other and others ...despite the politically correct vision of these poor, peace pipe smoking, calm environmentalists who were ambushed by the evil white man

North America was up for grabs...from all directions including Indians that crossed from Eurasia..hence the STRONG resemblance especially in the eyes of Native Americans and asians.


So, you mean to tell me that people came over the Bering Strait? Just like the fauna did? And that there were various waves of them? And maybe they were following animal migrations?!!! Whooooooaaaaa! I never heard of that?! Oh, and that they were of Asian background? This is too much!!!
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on May 17, 2018, 03:27:55 PM
So, you mean to tell me that people came over the Bering Strait? Just like the fauna did? And that there were various waves of them? And maybe they were following animal migrations?!!! Whooooooaaaaa! I never heard of that?! Oh, and that they were of Asian background? This is too much!!!

So, you mean to tell me that people came over the Bering Strait? Just like the fauna did? And that there were various waves of them? And maybe they were following animal migrations?!!! Whooooooaaaaa! I never heard of that?! Oh, and that they were of Asian background? This is too much!!!


He's exactly right!

There are three main races of main: black, Asian, and white. Amerindians fall into the Asian category.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: honest on May 17, 2018, 04:10:48 PM
I agree.

I love my children too much to ever have them.

This world stinks. The human race is a cesspool of garbage.

I do marvel at the goodness of some and the amazing artistic and technological creations of which humans are responsible, but I also recognize the overwhelming number that is devoid of decency, humility and honour.

We’re too weak and prone to addictions and corruption.

In short, our shit overpowers our awesomeness.

And it’ll only get worse as the majority of births are now from uneducated and pathetic parents and/or religious fruitcakes who’ve long since lost sanity and dominion over their minds.

When I’m worm food, that’ll be it for my specific bloodline.

And I’m happy about this.

(And to those who’d make jokes, I absolutely do not think it’s remotely important to have kids to “carry on my name”. My family name is only important to me, and I realize, outside of my family, it’s completely expendable. No one gives a rat’s ass. Just like no one gives a toss about yours.)

The future belongs to chaos, suffering and horror.

Until I croak, in my head it’s just 1984.

Great post myself I'm one step away I have told my kids, i don't want grandkids, told them that marriage isn't what it used to be, things evolve so have relationships, you don't need a wife husband or family, if you have one your choice, but i don't want to baby sit, you are my children and i have no interest in grandchildren in anyway including financially. As i have already had my kids I will assist them financially, but not to much, I have been poor and I have been fortuante, wealth and money bring its own set of problem as does poverty, A house a job and a balanced life is a good one, again if you want above this go for it.
I to am happy with my name going with them, the world is a shitehole, rich poor religious non religous, we have evolved to far, much like bodybuilding, the best years of humanity are behind us.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Parker on May 17, 2018, 05:28:45 PM
He's exactly right!

There are three main races of main: black, Asian, and white. Amerindians fall into the Asian category.
Really, they do? Man,  needs to be broadcast!
Really this is like "duh".
North American Indigeous were taller than Euros, and taller than Indigeous of the area that is mid-to Southern Mexico and down into South America. They are/were shorter, squatter bodied.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on May 18, 2018, 11:25:32 AM
I agree.

I love my children too much to ever have them.

This world stinks. The human race is a cesspool of garbage.

I do marvel at the goodness of some and the amazing artistic and technological creations of which humans are responsible, but I also recognize the overwhelming number that is devoid of decency, humility and honour.

We’re too weak and prone to addictions and corruption.

In short, our shit overpowers our awesomeness.

And it’ll only get worse as the majority of births are now from uneducated and pathetic parents and/or religious fruitcakes who’ve long since lost sanity and dominion over their minds.

When I’m worm food, that’ll be it for my specific bloodline.

And I’m happy about this.

(And to those who’d make jokes, I absolutely do not think it’s remotely important to have kids to “carry on my name”. My family name is only important to me, and I realize, outside of my family, it’s completely expendable. No one gives a rat’s ass. Just like no one gives a toss about yours.)

The future belongs to chaos, suffering and horror.

Until I croak, in my head it’s just 1984.

Isn't this outlook completely antithetical to National Socialism? (Serious question.)
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Notomorrow on May 18, 2018, 02:31:51 PM
So, you mean to tell me that people came over the Bering Strait? Just like the fauna did? And that there were various waves of them? And maybe they were following animal migrations?!!! Whooooooaaaaa! I never heard of that?! Oh, and that they were of Asian background? This is too much!!!

No, I mentioned various migrations including Vikings, English of course and the Bering Straight. This are examples I used that there reallybweren't one native people indigenous to the land.

Humility is the first step to wisdom. You have no humility, you scoff at what you consider posts too primitive for your advanced education and knowledge.

Knowledge is like wealth, there is always someone that makes you look broke and uneducated

So making fun of others knowledge or intellect makes YIU look like the idiot. Like the douche worth less than 3 million that teases "broke losers".....

Where is your phd degree in anthropology from o wise getbigger? 
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Parker on May 18, 2018, 03:15:58 PM
No, I mentioned various migrations including Vikings, English of course and the Bering Straight. This are examples I used that there reallybweren't one native people indigenous to the land.

Humility is the first step to wisdom. You have no humility, you scoff at what you consider posts too primitive for your advanced education and knowledge.

Knowledge is like wealth, there is always someone that makes you look broke and uneducated

So making fun of others knowledge or intellect makes YIU look like the idiot. Like the douche worth less than 3 million that teases "broke losers".....

Where is your phd degree in anthropology from o wise getbigger?  
Wisdom doesn't always come from intellect. One doesn't have to be smart to be wise.
A wise person could see, that I was being facetious, and that what you had mentioned is fairly knowledge---just watch NatGeo, Discovery, or read Smithsonian mags or, um Wikipedia.

Now wer the Vikings considered migrants or just explorers? Was there any true Viking "migration"? Not just a few settlements here and there?

The wisdom part really comes in, is the fact you shouldn't take most posts here seriously.
  
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: IRON CROSS on May 18, 2018, 05:56:35 PM
Indians are not indigenous...It was a wave of migration from Eurasia across the then crossable land at the Berng straight...the Vikings were also exploring Nortn America long before English or Spanish

Bottom line

It was a very unexplored, virgin country..White settlers did the best job of settling an creating a country including brutal westward expansion where families died and/or were attacked by indians...Tne Lewis and Clarke expedition...California settlements..the gold rush..homesteading..Amer icams worked tne hardest to settle and hard work won.

Indians had little unity..fractured tribes that were very violent with each other and others ...despite the politically correct vision of these poor, peace pipe smoking, calm environmentalists who were ambushed by the evil white man

North America was up for grabs...from all directions including Indians that crossed from Eurasia..hence the STRONG resemblance especially in the eyes of Native Americans and asians.



So no Wiggzy UFO people in those days to colonize America .................... ???
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Notomorrow on May 18, 2018, 08:23:24 PM
Wisdom doesn't always come from intellect. One doesn't have to be smart to be wise.
A wise person could see, that I was being facetious, and that what you had mentioned is fairly knowledge---just watch NatGeo, Discovery, or read Smithsonian mags or, um Wikipedia.

Now wer the Vikings considered migrants or just explorers? Was there any true Viking "migration"? Not just a few settlements here and there?

The wisdom part really comes in, is the fact you shouldn't take most posts here seriously.
  
Actually I said wisdom comes from humility..not intellect...Accepting how little you know opens the mind to new information....Carl Sagan was a brilliant Astronomer and to the day he died stressed how little he really knew about the Universe...you can't preach truth and learn truth at the same time.....
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: muscleman-2017 on May 18, 2018, 10:44:22 PM
Why aren't you repenting and leaving?


Europeans were in NA before the Asiatic Indians arrived.  The Asiatic Indians genocided the whites.

Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: seCrawler on May 19, 2018, 12:45:15 AM
Martian Indians and Moon Indians.


(https://bathroombloggers.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/spaceindia.jpg)

Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Conker on May 19, 2018, 01:44:38 AM
Indians are not indigenous...It was a wave of migration from Eurasia across the then crossable land at the Berng straight...the Vikings were also exploring Nortn America long before English or Spanish

Bottom line

It was a very unexplored, virgin country..White settlers did the best job of settling an creating a country including brutal westward expansion where families died and/or were attacked by indians...Tne Lewis and Clarke expedition...California settlements..the gold rush..homesteading..Amer icams worked tne hardest to settle and hard work won.

Indians had little unity..fractured tribes that were very violent with each other and others ...despite the politically correct vision of these poor, peace pipe smoking, calm environmentalists who were ambushed by the evil white man

North America was up for grabs...from all directions including Indians that crossed from Eurasia..hence the STRONG resemblance especially in the eyes of Native Americans and asians.





virgin country? unexplored?...holy negationism batman!

pre european invasion there was a native population between 50-100 million . native americans had been present for 10,000 + years . hence them being referred to as "native".

gunpowder, germ warfare and mass genocide is what made the europeans such "great" settlers.

what next? there wasn't really any slavery. there was just slightly reluctant volunteers ?
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: IRON CROSS on May 19, 2018, 02:48:12 AM


virgin country? unexplored?...holy negationism batman!

pre european invasion there was a native population between 50-100 million . native americans had been present for 10,000 + years . hence them being referred to as "native".

gunpowder, germ warfare and mass genocide is what made the europeans such "great" settlers.

what next? there wasn't really any slavery. there was just slightly reluctant volunteers ?



50-100 millions  ::) , U a the most stupid muslim in GetBig history .................
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: keanu on May 19, 2018, 11:33:57 PM
This is the best time in history to be alive.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: phreak on May 20, 2018, 01:28:08 AM


virgin country? unexplored?...holy negationism batman!

pre european invasion there was a native population between 50-100 million . native americans had been present for 10,000 + years . hence them being referred to as "native".

gunpowder, germ warfare and mass genocide is what made the europeans such "great" settlers.

what next? there wasn't really any slavery. there was just slightly reluctant volunteers ?
Come on, try to at least think logically. Some assertions you seem to be making are patently ludicrous, and I am sure you can recognise them as such.

- 50-100 million inhabitants? So up to 30% of current populalion levels? In an age where towns of 100,000 people are considered small? You cannot in good faith claim having teepee towns of 20,000+ tents were the norm back then. The local resource depletion would have been as disastrous as it is now or worse.

- Also, anyone claiming dozens of millions of indians were eradicated is an idiot. That would be claiming more indians died than jews and others in the holocaust and holodomor combined. Where are the literally thousands of mass graves each containing thousands of skeletons each?

- Virgin country? Parts of the US are still not even settled this very day. Explored, yes. But not settled. It is silly to imply that 400 years ago, with a much smaller population, more area was settled than is now.

- Unexplored? See above.


Were the Europeans nice people one and all? No. Were the indians? No. Yes, an indian scalp was worth money eventually. But where did the settlers get the idea of scalping from?

Westerners were just better armed, more cohesive, and used their brains. They deserved to win, being clearly more fit.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Kwon on May 20, 2018, 01:50:31 AM
Come on, try to at least think logically. Some assertions you seem to be making are patently ludicrous, and I am sure you can recognise them as such.

- 50-100 million inhabitants? So up to 30% of current populalion levels? In an age where towns of 100,000 people are considered small? You cannot in good faith claim having teepee towns of 20,000+ tents were the norm back then. The local resource depletion would have been as disastrous as it is now or worse.

- Also, anyone claiming dozens of millions of indians were eradicated is an idiot. That would be claiming more indians died than jews and others in the holocaust and holodomor combined. Where are the literally thousands of mass graves each containing thousands of skeletons each?

- Virgin country? Parts of the US are still not even settled this very day. Explored, yes. But not settled. It is silly to imply that 400 years ago, with a much smaller population, more area was settled than is now.

- Unexplored? See above.


Were the Europeans nice people one and all? No. Were the indians? No. Yes, an indian scalp was worth money eventually. But where did the settlers get the idea of scalping from?

Westerners were just better armed, more cohesive, and used their brains. They deserved to win, being clearly more fit.

Gotta love those 100 million Teepee Towns that Conker wrote about in school.
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Conker on May 20, 2018, 02:05:12 AM
50-100 million is the general consensus for the populations of the americas pre columbus.

way, way ,way more native americans perished during the american holocaust than jews during the nazi holocaust and the soviet holomodor combined
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: IroNat on May 20, 2018, 05:44:42 AM
The 50 to 100 million hypothesis includes all native populations in North, Central and South America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

"While it is difficult to determine exactly how many Natives lived in North America before Columbus, estimates range from a low of 2.1 million to 7 million people to a high of 18 million."
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Bevo on May 20, 2018, 06:30:07 AM
50-100 million is the general consensus for the populations of the americas pre columbus.

way, way ,way more native americans perished during the american holocaust than jews during the nazi holocaust and the soviet holomodor combined

They were weak and deserved to lose, that’s just how it is

Look at the Japanese, they were the Asian oppressors, would have done the same to any other race including their own

And there wasn’t 100 million native Indians 😂
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Parker on May 20, 2018, 07:15:27 AM
Come on, try to at least think logically. Some assertions you seem to be making are patently ludicrous, and I am sure you can recognise them as such.

- 50-100 million inhabitants? So up to 30% of current populalion levels? In an age where towns of 100,000 people are considered small? You cannot in good faith claim having teepee towns of 20,000+ tents were the norm back then. The local resource depletion would have been as disastrous as it is now or worse.

- Also, anyone claiming dozens of millions of indians were eradicated is an idiot. That would be claiming more indians died than jews and others in the holocaust and holodomor combined. Where are the literally thousands of mass graves each containing thousands of skeletons each?

- Virgin country? Parts of the US are still not even settled this very day. Explored, yes. But not settled. It is silly to imply that 400 years ago, with a much smaller population, more area was settled than is now.

- Unexplored? See above.


Were the Europeans nice people one and all? No. Were the indians? No. Yes, an indian scalp was worth money eventually. But where did the settlers get the idea of scalping from?

Westerners were just better armed, more cohesive, and used their brains. They deserved to win, being clearly more fit.
Scalping has been around in the Old World (where the Euor settlers came from) and the New World (Native Indigeous population)
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping)
Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Fortress on May 21, 2018, 07:52:36 AM
Isn't this outlook completely antithetical to National Socialism? (Serious question.)

I think for myself.

Decide what I feel is best.

For me.

Title: Re: To those who feel guilty about land "we stole from the Indians"
Post by: Kwon on May 21, 2018, 11:36:59 AM
Wouldn't mind watching a 2 hour movie of stoic silence and staring into campfires.