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Another tragic shooting. I'm sure the politicization will be swift, again.
Texas high school gunman in custody identified: AP
By Kathleen Joyce, Jennifer Earl | Fox News
Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez says 8 to 10 victims feared dead in Texas school shooting.
The suspect accused of unleashing a hail of bullets inside one of his classes early Friday morning that left up to nine people dead has been identified, reports stated.
Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, was identified as the person in custody in connection to the shooting at Santa Fe High School, the Associated Press reported.
Explosive devices were found at the school, authorities said.
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The chilling audio of police dispatch in the moments that the #SantaFe High shooting was unfolding: from KTRK/Broadcastify
6:22 AM - May 18, 2018
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The suspected shooter was taken into police custody and a second suspect has been detained. The suspect in custody and the suspect detained for further questioning were both students.
Police officers responded to Santa Fe High School around 8 a.m. CDT after reports that a shooter opened fire inside.
President Trump addresses Texas high school shooting, vows his administration will do everything possible to protect nation's students.Video
Trump: We grieve for terrible loss of life at Sante Fe High
The Santa Fe Police Department confirmed explosive devices were found at the campus of the high school and the "surrounding areas adjacent to the school." The school has been evacuated and the campus was cleared, the Santa Fe Police Department said.
A school resource officer was shot and injured and another officer was also injured in the incident, CBS News reported.
The chief nursing officer at the University of Texas Medical Branch told reporters the center received two adult patients and one person under 18 years old.
Santa Fe High School junior Guadalupe Sanchez, 16, cries in the arms of her mother, Elida Sanchez, after reuniting with her at a meeting point at a nearby Alamo Gym fitness center following a shooting at Santa Fe High School in Santa Fe, Texas, on Friday, May 18, 2018. (Michael Ciaglo/Houston Chronicle via AP)
Students console each other following a school shooting at Santa Fe High School. (AP)
Galveston County Sheriff's Maj. Douglas Hudson said units responded to reports of shots fired. Witnesses say a gunman opened fire inside an art class during first period.
A 17-year-old student told Fox News her friend was shot in the leg.
"We all thought it was practice drill and we all started kind of running and laughing across the street, hiding behind the auto place. At that point, they had us starting to write our names on papers showing that we were there... and they had us walking over...," Destiny Clark, a junior, said as she pointed to stores. "It was very dramatic. Nobody really knew what was going on."
Witness reports that the Sante Fe High School gunman was armed with a shotgun; reaction from retired NYPD Lt. Joe Cardinale.Video
Report: Texas gunman entered art class, opened fire
Two seniors at the school told KHOU 11 their friend pulled the fire alarm after spotting the shooter and urged other students to run. They also said they saw an injured female student.
“Now I am worried about everyone else,” one student commented. “I don’t even want to go to graduation now.”
The student said she did not get a good look at the shooter because she was running away. She said students escaped through a door at the back of the classroom.
Authorities have not yet confirmed these accounts.
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A map showed the location of the school shooting in Santa Fe, Texas.
A parent of one of the students told Fox News they drove to the school immediately after hearing about the shooting.
"If it can happen in Santa Fe, Texas, it can happen anywhere," the parent said. "I mean, it's just unbelievable."
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President Trump tweeted Friday after the shooting, saying: "School shooting in Texas. Early reports not looking good. God bless all!"
Santa Fe High School student Dakota Shrader is comforted by her mother Susan Davidson following a shooting at the school on Friday, May 18, 2018, in Santa Fe, Texas. Shrader said her friend was shot in the incident. (Stuart Villanueva/The Galveston County Daily News via AP)
Eight to 10 people were killed Friday in a school shooting in Santa Fe, Texas. (AP)
Trump later tweeted that he "grieved for the terrible loss of life, and send our support and love to everyone affected by this horrible attack in Texas."
He also mentioned the school shooting during a speech at the White House Friday.
“Unfortunately I have to begin by expressing our sadness and heartbreak over the deadly shooting in Texas,” he said. “We send prayers and support for everyone affected in the horrific attack.
People embrace outside the Alamo Gym where students and parents wait to reunite following a shooting at Santa Fe High School Friday, May 18, 2018, in Santa Fe, Texas. ( Michael Ciaglo/Houston Chronicle via AP)
A suspect was taken into police custody and a second suspect was detained following the shooting. (AP)
Trump spoke with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to "offer his condolences for those affected by the shooting at Santa Fe High School," an official told Fox News.
Gov. Abbott ordered flags in Texas lowered half-staff in memory of those killed in Friday’s shooting.
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Students were evacuated from the school following the school shooting.
The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) said it was also on the scene. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez tweeted early Friday that he arrived at the school to assist officers with the Galveston County Sheriff Office.
Santa Fe is a city of about 13,000 residents, located 30 miles southeast of Houston. The incident is the nation's deadliest school shooting since the February attack in Parkland, Fla., that killed 17 people.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/18/texas-high-school-gunman-in-custody-identified-ap.html
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I believe he used a shotgun and revolver. If that is the case then this will be swiftly brushed under the rug.
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Another tragic shooting. I'm sure the politicization will be swift, again.
Texas high school gunman in custody identified: AP
By Kathleen Joyce, Jennifer Earl | Fox News
Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez says 8 to 10 victims feared dead in Texas school shooting.
The suspect accused of unleashing a hail of bullets inside one of his classes early Friday morning that left up to nine people dead has been identified, reports stated.
Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, was identified as the person in custody in connection to the shooting at Santa Fe High School, the Associated Press reported.
Explosive devices were found at the school, authorities said.
Al Tompkins
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The chilling audio of police dispatch in the moments that the #SantaFe High shooting was unfolding: from KTRK/Broadcastify
6:22 AM - May 18, 2018
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20 people are talking about this
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The suspected shooter was taken into police custody and a second suspect has been detained. The suspect in custody and the suspect detained for further questioning were both students.
Police officers responded to Santa Fe High School around 8 a.m. CDT after reports that a shooter opened fire inside.
President Trump addresses Texas high school shooting, vows his administration will do everything possible to protect nation's students.Video
Trump: We grieve for terrible loss of life at Sante Fe High
The Santa Fe Police Department confirmed explosive devices were found at the campus of the high school and the "surrounding areas adjacent to the school." The school has been evacuated and the campus was cleared, the Santa Fe Police Department said.
A school resource officer was shot and injured and another officer was also injured in the incident, CBS News reported.
The chief nursing officer at the University of Texas Medical Branch told reporters the center received two adult patients and one person under 18 years old.
Santa Fe High School junior Guadalupe Sanchez, 16, cries in the arms of her mother, Elida Sanchez, after reuniting with her at a meeting point at a nearby Alamo Gym fitness center following a shooting at Santa Fe High School in Santa Fe, Texas, on Friday, May 18, 2018. (Michael Ciaglo/Houston Chronicle via AP)
Students console each other following a school shooting at Santa Fe High School. (AP)
Galveston County Sheriff's Maj. Douglas Hudson said units responded to reports of shots fired. Witnesses say a gunman opened fire inside an art class during first period.
A 17-year-old student told Fox News her friend was shot in the leg.
"We all thought it was practice drill and we all started kind of running and laughing across the street, hiding behind the auto place. At that point, they had us starting to write our names on papers showing that we were there... and they had us walking over...," Destiny Clark, a junior, said as she pointed to stores. "It was very dramatic. Nobody really knew what was going on."
Witness reports that the Sante Fe High School gunman was armed with a shotgun; reaction from retired NYPD Lt. Joe Cardinale.Video
Report: Texas gunman entered art class, opened fire
Two seniors at the school told KHOU 11 their friend pulled the fire alarm after spotting the shooter and urged other students to run. They also said they saw an injured female student.
“Now I am worried about everyone else,” one student commented. “I don’t even want to go to graduation now.”
The student said she did not get a good look at the shooter because she was running away. She said students escaped through a door at the back of the classroom.
Authorities have not yet confirmed these accounts.
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A map showed the location of the school shooting in Santa Fe, Texas.
A parent of one of the students told Fox News they drove to the school immediately after hearing about the shooting.
"If it can happen in Santa Fe, Texas, it can happen anywhere," the parent said. "I mean, it's just unbelievable."
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President Trump tweeted Friday after the shooting, saying: "School shooting in Texas. Early reports not looking good. God bless all!"
Santa Fe High School student Dakota Shrader is comforted by her mother Susan Davidson following a shooting at the school on Friday, May 18, 2018, in Santa Fe, Texas. Shrader said her friend was shot in the incident. (Stuart Villanueva/The Galveston County Daily News via AP)
Eight to 10 people were killed Friday in a school shooting in Santa Fe, Texas. (AP)
Trump later tweeted that he "grieved for the terrible loss of life, and send our support and love to everyone affected by this horrible attack in Texas."
He also mentioned the school shooting during a speech at the White House Friday.
“Unfortunately I have to begin by expressing our sadness and heartbreak over the deadly shooting in Texas,” he said. “We send prayers and support for everyone affected in the horrific attack.
People embrace outside the Alamo Gym where students and parents wait to reunite following a shooting at Santa Fe High School Friday, May 18, 2018, in Santa Fe, Texas. ( Michael Ciaglo/Houston Chronicle via AP)
A suspect was taken into police custody and a second suspect was detained following the shooting. (AP)
Trump spoke with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to "offer his condolences for those affected by the shooting at Santa Fe High School," an official told Fox News.
Gov. Abbott ordered flags in Texas lowered half-staff in memory of those killed in Friday’s shooting.
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Students were evacuated from the school following the school shooting.
The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) said it was also on the scene. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez tweeted early Friday that he arrived at the school to assist officers with the Galveston County Sheriff Office.
Santa Fe is a city of about 13,000 residents, located 30 miles southeast of Houston. The incident is the nation's deadliest school shooting since the February attack in Parkland, Fla., that killed 17 people.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/18/texas-high-school-gunman-in-custody-identified-ap.html
so true
The Republican Governor of Texas started "politicizing" it only HOURS after it happened. The blood on the floor of the school isn't even dry and he's making remarks like the ones below.
Doesn't he know this is the time for "thoughts and prayers" and definitely not the time to be talking about new legislation restricting our god given right to own guns.
For once Bum and I are in agreement.
This immediate politicization of what is truly just a common event in this country is just disgusting
"We need to do more than just pray for the victims and their families," said Abbott, a Republican, during a news conference in response to the shooting. "It's time in Texas that we take action to step up and make sure this tragedy is never repeated ever again in the history of the state of Texas." Abbott said he plans to convene "roundtable discussions" next week that will bring together lawmakers and community members with a wide array of perspectives.
"We need to do more than just pray for the victims and their families," said Abbott, a Republican, during a news conference in response to the shooting. "It's time in Texas that we take action to step up and make sure this tragedy is never repeated ever again in the history of the state of Texas." Abbott said he plans to convene "roundtable discussions" next week that will bring together lawmakers and community members with a wide array of perspectives.
"Beginning immediately, I'm going to be working with members of the Texas Legislature but also members of our communities across the entire state of Texas, to begin with roundtable discussions beginning next week where we will assemble all stakeholders to begin to work immediately on swift solutions to prevent tragedies like this from ever happening again," Abbott said.
Abbott suggested he hopes the discussions will lead to legislation: "We want to hear from everybody who has an interest in what has happened today, so we can work together on putting together laws that will protect Second Amendment rights but at the same time ensure that our communities and especially our schools are safer places."
The governor added he wants input from parents, students, teachers and gun rights supporters
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I believe he used a shotgun and revolver. If that is the case then this will be swiftly brushed under the rug.
I don't think there is any way they brush this or any other shooting under the rug. They're going to trot out the puppets from the Parkland shooting if they haven't already. I bet David Hogg "writes" a book soon too.
The facts don't matter to anti-gun zealots.
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I believe he used a shotgun and revolver. If that is the case then this will be swiftly brushed under the rug.
Yup, gonna be difficult for the left to spin this into their gun control movement.
Remember the shotgun is joe Biden’s gun of choice!
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You know some of those stupid kids at this high school are going to think they suddenly have some right to express an opinion just because someone shot 20 people at their school and 10 of them died
WTF could they possibly know about anything. They're just kids
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Yup, gonna be difficult for the left to spin this into their gun control movement.
Remember the shotgun is joe Biden’s gun of choice!
You think the facts will get in the way of them spinning this?
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You know some of those stupid kids at this high school are going to think they suddenly have some right to express an opinion just because someone shot 20 people at their school and 10 of them died
WTF could they possibly know about anything. They're just kids
Ive seen people shot and killed, when does my opinion start to matter?
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You think the facts will get in the way of them spinning this?
I live in Houston and the local press is pretty much covering it down the middle, turn on CNN though and its all about gun control at the moment
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Ive seen people shot and killed, when does my opinion start to matter?
sorry, it doesn't matter
that's just how it works
unless you're in favor of doing nothing and then your opinion matters
I see Greg Abbot couldn't wait to get in front of a microphone and start talking about setting up round table discussion with legislators and "stakeholders" that he hopes will lead to legislation
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sorry, it doesn't matter
that's just how it works
unless you're in favor of doing nothing and then your opinion matters
I see Greg Abbot couldn't wait to get in front of a microphone and start talking about setting up round table discussion with legislators and "stakeholders" that he hopes will lead to legislation
What laws do you think would have stopped this?
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I live in Houston and the local press is pretty much covering it down the middle, turn on CNN though and its all about gun control at the moment
just turned it on and it's "right down the middle" too
thank god
everything should always be right down the midde
actually they are they are talking about how they are still searching for more explosive devices and what was the motivation of the shooter and were there any warning signs
is that "down the middle" on right or left ?
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I live in Houston and the local press is pretty much covering it down the middle, turn on CNN though and its all about gun control at the moment
I don't think there is any way the media and the left (redundant) provide fair coverage and/or avoid talking about gun control.
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What laws do you think would have stopped this?
none
I've said that many times
I don't even know why this is considered "news"
Why do you think Greg Abbot was so quick to politicize this mundane event
The guy was on TV mere hours after this shooting talking about he wants to have round tables NEXT WEEK that he hopes will lead to new legislation
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I don't think there is any way the media and the left (redundant) provide fair coverage and/or avoid talking about gun control.
No shit man
So true
Only right wing media can treat this subject fairly
No way that right wing media would ever allow their political agenda to influence their message
I'm watching CNN right now they are still talking about how the FBI is looking for more explosive devices
Sheesh, when are they going to give it a rest.
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LOL Casey Jordan CNN Criminalist just said that the first warning sign was access to firearms
Didn’t take long to get back on track straw
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As expected.
Cuomo's 'open letter' to Trump after Texas school shooting slammed on Twitter: 'YOU do something'
By Jennifer Earl | Fox News
Hours after a gunman opened fire in a Texas high school classroom, killing at least 10 people, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo took to Twitter demanding President Trump "DO SOMETHING." After listing seven mass shootings in a tweet to Trump, Cuomo, a Democrat, then drafted a letter.
The May 18 "open letter" calls on Trump, the House of Representatives and the Senate to take action.
"When is enough enough?" Cuomo asks. "How many more innocent people have to die before you act?"
Cuomo, who boasted about his "F" rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA), told the polticians to put their country first.
"You were elected to do something - do something. Your first responsibiltiy is to the people of the United States, not the NRA - do something," Cuomo repeated. "My heart breaks for the families who have to grieve from this needless violence - DO SOMETHING."
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/18/cuomos-open-letter-to-trump-after-texas-school-shooting-slammed-on-twitter-do-something.html
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As expected.
Cuomo's 'open letter' to Trump after Texas school shooting slammed on Twitter: 'YOU do something'
By Jennifer Earl | Fox News
Hours after a gunman opened fire in a Texas high school classroom, killing at least 10 people, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo took to Twitter demanding President Trump "DO SOMETHING." After listing seven mass shootings in a tweet to Trump, Cuomo, a Democrat, then drafted a letter.
The May 18 "open letter" calls on Trump, the House of Representatives and the Senate to take action.
"When is enough enough?" Cuomo asks. "How many more innocent people have to die before you act?"
Cuomo, who boasted about his "F" rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA), told the polticians to put their country first.
"You were elected to do something - do something. Your first responsibiltiy is to the people of the United States, not the NRA - do something," Cuomo repeated. "My heart breaks for the families who have to grieve from this needless violence - DO SOMETHING."
. . . .
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/18/cuomos-open-letter-to-trump-after-texas-school-shooting-slammed-on-twitter-do-something.html
Yawn
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LOL Casey Jordan CNN Criminalist just said that the first warning sign was access to firearms
Didn’t take long to get back on track straw
someone on TV said something stupid
shocking
I'd ask if you had a link to that but I'm sure you don't
so you're telling me she said that access to a gun is a warning sign?
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someone on TV said something stupid
shocking
I'd ask if you had a link to that but I'm sure you don't
so you're telling me she said that access to a gun is a warning sign?
You clearly graduated at the top of your class.
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You clearly graduated at the top of your class.
I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things
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someone on TV said something stupid
shocking
I'd ask if you had a link to that but I'm sure you don't
so you're telling me she said that access to a gun is a warning sign?
She said firearms but yes access to firearms was a warning sign.
Would that shock you that someone on CNN would say that?
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She said firearms but yes access to firearms was a warning sign.
Would that shock you that someone on CNN would say that?
no it wouldn't shock me. People say stupid shit all the time and some people say stupid shit on TV
What show was she on. I'd like to see if I can find it online
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no it wouldn't shock me. People say stupid shit all the time and some people say stupid shit on TV
What show was she on. I'd like to see if I can find it online
Erin Burnett out front, do they post their shows online?
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ebo.html
They haven’t posted the transcript from tonight but it’ll show up at some point
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ebo.html
They haven’t posted the transcript from tonight but it’ll show up at some point
Cool. I've never even heard of that show.
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Kid was 17.......he already broke the law just being in possession of a shotgun and a pistol.
More gun laws would have totally stopped this. ::)
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Cool. I've never even heard of that show.
It’s probably the worst one on cnn
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I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things
Who took over this account?
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Who took over this account?
I went to an Ivy League school. I’m very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words
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If I had kids or grandkids still in school, I'd be signing them up for home school/on-line school programs tomorrow morning. School shootings have become a huge and devastating catastrophe.
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If I had kids or grandkids still in school, I'd be signing them up for home school/on-line school programs tomorrow morning. School shootings have become a huge and devastating catastrophe.
come on man, more high schoolers die in car crashes (and probably a thousand other things) than school shootings
besides what happens when the shooting happens at home.
then what, bubble wrap them and lock them in a panic room ?
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If I had kids or grandkids still in school, I'd be signing them up for home school/on-line school programs tomorrow morning. School shootings have become a huge and devastating catastrophe.
Devastating, yes. Huge, no.
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then what, bubble wrap them and lock them in a panic room ?
Prime would like that
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I went to an Ivy League school. I’m very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words
Obsessed much ?
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Handgun and a shotgun, both illegally possessed. Very inconvenient for those folks that want to ban so-called assault rifles as a solution to school shootings.
The school should have posted more "Gun Free Zone" stickers I guess.
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Handgun and a shotgun, both illegally possessed. Very inconvenient for those folks that want to ban so-called assault rifles as a solution to school shootings.
The school should have posted more "Gun Free Zone" stickers I guess.
I think what most people on that side would want would be an Australia style gun ban, or like SF1900 says, ban all guns.
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I think what most people on that side would want would be an Australia style gun ban, or like SF1900 says, ban all guns.
Is that the story now? Not too long ago I remember having to argue with people calling me paranoid and saying "nobody wants to take your guns....blah blah blah, common sense regulations".
Also.........Fuck Australia.
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come on man, more high schoolers die in car crashes (and probably a thousand other things) than school shootings
besides what happens when the shooting happens at home.
then what, bubble wrap them and lock them in a panic room ?
Do you have amnesia or something? This post was witty/ logical. The Strawman account is compromised. I suspect the Russians.
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Do you have amnesia or something? This post was witty/ logical. The Strawman account is compromised. I suspect the Russians.
very perceptive comrade
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Devastating, yes. Huge, no.
When it comes to these mass shootings, it seems huge to me. It should never happen.
- The U.S. had 78 mass shootings between 1983 and 2013.
- The highest number of mass shootings experienced outside the United States was in Germany – where seven shootings occurred.
- In the other 24 industrialized countries taken together, 41 mass shootings took place.
- In other words, the U.S. had nearly double the number of mass shootings than all other 24 countries combined in the same 30-year period.
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come on man, more high schoolers die in car crashes (and probably a thousand other things) than school shootings
besides what happens when the shooting happens at home.
then what, bubble wrap them and lock them in a panic room ?
I can't disagree with you regarding auto crash related deaths, particularly among teenagers and folks in their early 20's.
While shootings do happen in the home for various reasons, such as domestic violence and suicide, they aren't usually considered mass shootings. Furthermore, a mass shooting is very unlikely to occur in my home. In my opinion, your scenario is far-fetched and it makes little sense.
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Prime would like that
Why do you say this? It isn't funny. In fact, your comment is disgusting and juvenile. I thought you were a better person.
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Is that the story now? Not too long ago I remember having to argue with people calling me paranoid and saying "nobody wants to take your guns....blah blah blah, common sense regulations".
Also.........Fuck Australia.
That's just where it starts. Then with the slow desensitizing of this generation, the next will be okay with total confiscation. That's why it's okay to have those on the other end of the spectrum that fight for all gun rights, even the right to own a machine gun. It's called balance, and as long as we have it, we will have our guns.
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When it comes to these mass shootings, it seems huge to me. It should never happen.
- The U.S. had 78 mass shootings between 1983 and 2013.
- The highest number of mass shootings experienced outside the United States was in Germany – where seven shootings occurred.
- In the other 24 industrialized countries taken together, 41 mass shootings took place.
- In other words, the U.S. had nearly double the number of mass shootings than all other 24 countries combined in the same 30-year period.
Can you define what was used as a "mass shooting" for your stats?
Where the same parameters used for other countries?
How many "mass shootings" were gang related?
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I went to an Ivy League school. I’m very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words
Didn't realize there was an Ivy League school in Nor. Cal ::)
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no AR? also i heard he was bullied.. im not trying to defend his actions...but.......ever yone has their breaking point. plus how the media glamorizes these "mass shootings" makes these guys into celeberities.... so what better way to go out and but to go out famous... if i was mentally unstable and wanted attention... thanks media you made this guys name a household name...again and again and again and again and again...props msm! you are pushing these monsters!
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no AR? also i heard he was bullied.. im not trying to defend his actions...but.......ever yone has their breaking point. plus how the media glamorizes these "mass shootings" makes these guys into celeberities.... so what better way to go out and but to go out famous... if i was mentally unstable and wanted attention... thanks media you made this guys name a household name...again and again and again and again and again...props msm! you are pushing these monsters!
Shotgun and .38 revolver
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Shotgun and .38 revolver
other teens with same mental problems as this guy and the other past "mass shooting" teens...become "famous" due to the media... these people were insignificant as a pimple on a mouses ass... now they are famous due to the media "glamorizing" these events. so if you think about it the media makes these guys famous.... i remeber reading about a serial killer that fed off media attention due to his killings...ie: newspapers, tv media etc.. the fbi cut all ties with the media to limit his coverage of his future murders with the media... he fed off the attention he got.. ill try to look his name up, but it makes sense to me.
my point is.. .there are many many more teens with the same mental problems as this teen... but they watch tv and see how famous these guys get so they do the same... a domino effect
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201805/many-serial-killers-crave-public-notoriety
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Didn't realize there was an Ivy League school in Nor. Cal ::)
there are obviously a lot of things you don't realize
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ban guns!
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there are obviously a lot of things you don't realize
Coach doesn’t fully grasp your obsession w all things Ttump w that comment. He suspects you got a mail order diploma from Phoenix U or Devry
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Coach doesn’t fully grasp your obsession w all things Ttump w that comment. He suspects you got a mail order diploma from Phoenix U or Devry
I'm not sure you understand where that comment comes from
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A friend of mine posted his opinion on mass shootings on his Facebook page. I thought some of you might enjoy reading it. Feel free to weigh in if you have an opinion. Just so you know, I am not in favor of executions, but I can see where what he writes makes sense. My friend is half my age, (to give this some perspective).
"School Shootings and the Manchild, a conjecture
These school shooters all fill the same niche: outsider, gun access, angry and trying to vindicate self, others as incurables who need to be disciplined, "I'll show them", etc., etc.
These are the attitudes of manchildren--those curious teenagers who are still very much children but who are beginning to have man sized feelings and capabillities.
I think that we have experience dealing with manchildren. They are like little bitches who need to be disciplined themselves. They need to be hardened out of their immaturity.
This latest shooter was planning on killing himself as the finale, but couldn't bring himself to kill himself. That shows me you've got a big, fat, manchild there.
His only social value at this point is in showing what happens to people like himself, to make an example of himself.
If we allow people like him to be treated with incarceration or institutionalization, then we are rewarding their behavior. The state should be clear that it will not incur undue costs associated with housing and maintaining these kind of people. On some level, knowing that you'll be treated fairly and with due process and won't be tarred and feathered and thrown into a bog with a 100lb stone around your neck is an incentive to these assholes.
Because of the ongoing frequency of these crimes, the state should take a deterrence minded penal philosophy towards its punitive approach. I think that these manchildren should know that once they embark upon this path there is no exit. The authorities will be merciless with them and they will be executed. I think death penalty should be used in these cases. The children should be tried as men and should face man sized penalties.
You can go after the NRA, but in the end it is the manchild who is pulling the trigger in these cases and we need to go after the manchild, too."
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Good post
A friend of mine posted his opinion on mass shootings on his Facebook page. I thought some of you might enjoy reading it. Feel free to weigh in if you have an opinion. Just so you know, I am not in favor of executions, but I can see where what he writes makes sense. My friend is half my age, (to give this some perspective).
"School Shootings and the Manchild, a conjecture
These school shooters all fill the same niche: outsider, gun access, angry and trying to vindicate self, others as incurables who need to be disciplined, "I'll show them", etc., etc.
These are the attitudes of manchildren--those curious teenagers who are still very much children but who are beginning to have man sized feelings and capabillities.
I think that we have experience dealing with manchildren. They are like little bitches who need to be disciplined themselves. They need to be hardened out of their immaturity.
This latest shooter was planning on killing himself as the finale, but couldn't bring himself to kill himself. That shows me you've got a big, fat, manchild there.
His only social value at this point is in showing what happens to people like himself, to make an example of himself.
If we allow people like him to be treated with incarceration or institutionalization, then we are rewarding their behavior. The state should be clear that it will not incur undue costs associated with housing and maintaining these kind of people. On some level, knowing that you'll be treated fairly and with due process and won't be tarred and feathered and thrown into a bog with a 100lb stone around your neck is an incentive to these assholes.
Because of the ongoing frequency of these crimes, the state should take a deterrence minded penal philosophy towards its punitive approach. I think that these manchildren should know that once they embark upon this path there is no exit. The authorities will be merciless with them and they will be executed. I think death penalty should be used in these cases. The children should be tried as men and should face man sized penalties.
You can go after the NRA, but in the end it is the manchild who is pulling the trigger in these cases and we need to go after the manchild, too."
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Could be wrong but I’ve been told that even if he is charged as an adult the death penalty and life without parole is off the table. The most he can receive is supposedly life with the possibility of parole.
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Oh and straw, they updated the transcript link I posted and you can see for yourself where she said access to firearms is the biggest warning sign/red flag
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Could be wrong but I’ve been told that even if he is charged as an adult the death penalty and life without parole is off the table. The most he can receive is supposedly life with the possibility of parole.
Actually, when tried as an adult, the punishment can be more severe.
The United States Supreme Court ruled in Roper v. Simmons in 2005 that imposing the death penalty on offenders who were younger than age 18 at the time of the murder for which they were charged violates the Eighth Amendment. Following the 2012 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Miller v. Alabama1) states and the federal government are required to consider the unique circumstances of each juvenile defendant in determining an individualized sentence. Montgomery v. Louisiana,2) a 2016 decision, ensures that the decision applies retroactively. For juveniles, a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole is unconstitutional.
SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Kip Kinkel has lost an appeal to the Oregon Supreme Court, where he had sought reduction of the 111-year sentence he received for a 1998 mass shooting at a Springfield high school. TOM JAMES , Associated Press Thursday, May 10th 2018. His appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court is expected.
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Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun.
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Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun.
Yup the shot gun is joe Biden’s gun of choice!!!
I always wonder when people like him start talking about guns if they know exactly how fucking stupid they sound or if they think that what they see in the movies is how real life guns work?
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John Kerry 2004 , went duck hunting with 4-5 campaign staffers .
They each held a dead duck in one hand and their gun in the other, walking in 1 straight line.
When the reporters asked how they did , he replied ; " We each got 1." ::)
I like John Kerry, but compared to Pres W Bush, he sounded like a complete tool on that duck hunt.
Obama never made that mistake and did his best to sound more authentic on the campaign trail.
A great example is him laughing at himself while throwing a gutter ball, bowling.
He was often advised early on, the call himself " Barry " Obama.
But he knew being authentic was more important.
Plenty of pudits advised Trump to act more "presidentail " .
Jeb Bush even scolded him during the debates saying ;
" You can't insult your way to the Presidency Donald."
Oh well, he damn sure did ...
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