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There minds are so far gone that they won't even believe the most credible truth! God exists.
It is said that the greatest trick the evil one has played on humans was convince them that their is no God!
God is and was and always will be. Bow down to his majesty and worship him and maybe he will forgive your sins.
Only one way to God and its through Jesus!
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Ok...Now PROVE IT.
Prove God exists.
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Alexxx, play along with him.
Tell him to prove that God doesn't exist. He can't. He'll say it's impossible to prove God doesn't exist. For all of Johnny's knowledge, his two bachelors degress, and all his science books he simply can't prove the non-existence of God.
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Thanks w8tlftr!
Ha! Prove that God doen't exist!
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Careful alexxx or he will challenge you to a pit fight. ::)
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Alexxx, play along with him.
Tell him to prove that God doesn't exist. He can't. He'll say it's impossible to prove God doesn't exist. For all of Johnny's knowledge, his two bachelors degress, and all his science books he simply can't prove the non-existence of God.
NO ONE can.
But the burden isn't on me. I'm not claiming anything.
The burden is on HIM for making the claim.
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and prove goatboys heterosexuality ;D
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Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this". Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the person's responsibility who is making the bold claim to prove it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_other_uses
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_other_uses
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Those are the theories and laws of men. That means nothing.
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Those are the theories and laws of men. That means nothing.
You aren't making sense.
You postulated a claim and now the burden is on YOU to prove your claim. If you can't then your claim is baseless.
I can claim all types of things but saying "you can't disprove it" isn't proof of anything. Belief in something based on not being able to disprove it is a logical fallacy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_other_uses
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when anyone is making a bold claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the person's responsibility who is making the bold claim to prove it
Hellllllooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
That's what I've been telling you, Johnny.
You said God was a myth which says to me "fairytale" or not real.
The burden of proof is on YOU.
Please open your library of science books and prove he does not exist.
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I say that leprechauns exist!
Does anyone disagree with this?
If you do, you have to prove that leprechauns don't exist.
If you can't, that means that leprechauns do exist, and I'm right and you're wrong!
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I believe in leprechauns. There is one on my daughter's cereal box. :)
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when anyone is making a bold claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the person's responsibility who is making the bold claim to prove it
Hellllllooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
That's what I've been telling you, Johnny.
You said God was a myth which says to me "fairytale" or not real.
The burden of proof is on YOU.
Please open your library of science books and prove he does not exist.
I retracted my claim that "God is not real" and i've already proven "God is a myth".
Myth-a traditional story accepted as history.
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
"God" making the world is a traditional story accept as History, Thus a "myth".
Now i've proven my claim..YOU proves YOURS.
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I retracted my claim that "God is not real" and i've already proven "God is a myth".
Myth-a traditional story accepted as history.
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
"God" making the world is a traditional story accept as History, Thus a "myth".
Now i've proven my claim..YOU proves YOURS.
Johnny, I'm not sure I understand what claim has been proven? How have you proved that God is a myth? Because you've simply used the word God in a sentence with the definition of the word myth, you've proven that God is a myth? ???
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I retracted my claim that "God is not real" and i've already proven "God is a myth".
Myth-a traditional story accepted as history.
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
"God" making the world is a traditional story accept as History, Thus a "myth".
Now i've proven my claim..YOU proves YOURS.
I'm not playing this game with you, Johnny. I don't have the time nor the desire to put effort into something you'll quickly dismiss. Anything ANYONE tells you will be viewed by you as non-credible because you simply lack faith. Nothing I can say or do can or will change that. It's your journey and yours alone.
As I told you, I have very personal reasons for my faith and I certainly don't have to explain them to a non-believer. Can you see how Matthew 7:6 applies here?
Besides, you're the one putting Christianity on trial - not me.
BTW, by retracting your claim of saying God is not real you're saying that it is possible that he is.
When you remove all that is impossible what remains is possible.
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Figures.
;D
:)
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For as much effort and resources Johnny spends on all these claims that God is not real, the more is evident to me that I think he knows hes real and just doesn't want to accept it. There is all this hate for Christianity.....why? Because it is the only threat to the kingdom of darkness. I am glad that the battle has already been won. It must really burn inside you to know that Jesus has died for people even like you, yet you still choose to miss out on the real experience of life.
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Johnny, could you please share your opinions/thoughts regarding Professor Antony Flew ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Flew
"a deity or a 'super-intelligence' [is] the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature." "I now realize that I have made a fool of myself by believing that there were no presentable theories of the development of inanimate matter up to the first living creature capable of reproduction."
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I'm not playing this game with you, Johnny. I don't have the time nor the desire to put effort into something you'll quickly dismiss. Anything ANYONE tells you will be viewed by you as non-credible because you simply lack faith. Nothing I can say or do can or will change that. It's your journey and yours alone.
As I told you, I have very personal reasons for my faith and I certainly don't have to explain them to a non-believer. Can you see how Matthew 7:6 applies here?
Besides, you're the one putting Christianity on trial - not me.
BTW, by retracting your claim of saying God is not real you're saying that it is possible that he is.
When you remove all that is impossible what remains is possible.
You're still failing to provide proof..
BTW saying "I'm not claiming god does not exist" isn't saying "it is possible it exists" I don't even know if it's possible but from our current understanding of physics..it isn't.
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Johnny, I'm not sure I understand what claim has been proven? How have you proved that God is a myth? Because you've simply used the word God in a sentence with the definition of the word myth, you've proven that God is a myth? ???
I've proven "GOD" fits the definition of a myth.
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You're still failing to provide proof..
BTW saying "I'm not claiming god does not exist" isn't saying "it is possible it exists" I don't even know if it's possible but from our current understanding of physics..it isn't.
I'm sorry, Johnny, but I simply can not provide the scientific proof you're seeking. My beliefs are based on my reasoning, my faith, and personal life events.
Quite frankly, I highly doubt anyone can give you the proof you want.
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Johnny, could you please share your opinions/thoughts regarding Professor Antony Flew ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Flew
"a deity or a 'super-intelligence' [is] the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature." "I now realize that I have made a fool of myself by believing that there were no presentable theories of the development of inanimate matter up to the first living creature capable of reproduction."
It's false. The naturalistic explanations are the only "good" explanations going by the scientific method. Big-bang and Evolution are the most supported explanations and are clear facts. There is zero evidence for a "deity" so that explanation can't be said to be "good".
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I'm sorry, Johnny, but I simply can not provide the scientific proof you're seeking. My beliefs are based on my reasoning, my faith, and personal life events.
Quite frankly, I highly doubt anyone can give you the proof you want.
If proof existed it could be provided. No proof exists and that's why no one can provide it.
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It's false. The naturalistic explanations are the only "good" explanations going by the scientific method. Big-bang and Evolution are the most supported explanations and are clear facts. There is zero evidence for a "deity" so that explanation can't be said to be "good".
Clear facts? You mean the scientific community was able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that "the Big Bang" created the universe and that evolution is indeed hardcore fact?
These are theories that have been proven through countless tests in a controlled environments?
Don't get me wrong. I'm very open to the idea of evolution - I really am. I'm just not ready to jump on the "evolution" bandwagon yet. I guess you could call it a lack of faith. ::)
What do you think of Antony Flew?
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If proof existed it could be provided. No proof exists and that's why no one can provide it.
The same goes for proof that God doesn't exist as atheists claim.
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http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html
"Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions. "
Yeah, sounds crystal clear to me.
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http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/does-god-exist-c.htm
(A link provided from a "Big Bang" article)
Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:
Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?
Geez, making the Big Bang theory even more clear.....
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actually you gotta factor in quantum mechanix..the bubble theory , string theory when thinking about the universe...
also google dark energy and have a read...
the universe does not need a creator to errupt out of nothing..quantum uncertanity and the "uncertanity principle" takes care of that while you'r at it " google "paulis exclusion principle"
virtual particles are created out of NOTHING all the time...and ahihilate eachother..a virtual particl and its anti particle...how so? cause one can NEVEr say that a given systen has value 0...again read the uncertanity principle..
i've posted these links on the general wayy too many times without anyone paying any attention to do it again..
google it yourself..
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I will.
The argument basically says that because life is so complex, it could not have sprung into existence on it's own, it required the help of "God", right?
Well, no matter how complex life and the universe is, the "God" that created it would have to be infinitely more complex, right?
So, since we started with the premise "complexity could not have evolved on it's own, it must have been created", that kind of begs the question, "Who created 'God'?"
"Supergod"?
If so, who created "Supergod"? "Ultragod"? ???
If your answer is that the chain stops with "God", you've blown your whole initial argument out of the water, since if it is possible that "God" either always existed or evolved on "his" own, it is equally possible that the universe did.
Occam's Razor: "Do not multiply entities unnecessarily", or put more directly, "Don't try to make it more complex than it needs to be... the simplest explanation is usually the correct one".
Interesting input. Really makes you wonder about the possibility of different planes of reality.
Wasn't Ultra-God a Japanese anime show? ;)
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jimmy is the only reason you arent a corpse around here!
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i have leverage
not pull ;)
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I say that leprechauns exist!
Does anyone disagree with this?
If you do, you have to prove that leprechauns don't exist.
If you can't, that means that leprechauns do exist, and I'm right and you're wrong!
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Im wit Goat
If you say you saw Elvis or a dragon youre nutz
unless of course Elvis AND jesus were riding the dragon
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Clear facts? You mean the scientific community was able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that "the Big Bang" created the universe and that evolution is indeed hardcore fact?
Yes and Yes.
These are theories that have been proven through countless tests in a controlled environments?
Evolution and the Big bang aren't theories. They are facts. There are THEORIES ABOUT THEM however. How they occured and why are scientific theories. THAT they occured are scientific facts.
Many things prove Evolution and the Big bang. I'll list a few for each that proves absolutely each occured.
Evolution-Endogenious retroviruses, Transitional fossils, Redundant pseudo genes, DNA simalirity.
Big Bang- Expanson of Space-Time, Background radiation, Cosmological constant.
Don't get me wrong. I'm very open to the idea of evolution - I really am. I'm just not ready to jump on the "evolution" bandwagon yet. I guess you could call it a lack of faith. ::)
What do you think of Antony Flew?
The "Evolution bandwagon" is infact the same as the "Round earth bandwagon".
What do I think of Mr.Flew? Nothing much. He turned into a Deist because he beleives that natural explanations for the universe aren't "as good" as supernatural ones. A stupid belief but his belief. His BELIEF isn't evidence of anything.
Most likely he turned into a Deist because of emotional reasons. Many aren't strong enough to be atheists and not believe in some "father figure" in the sky. They need something supernatural to believe in. Note the "God" he said he believed in was an inactive God. Meaning one that made the universe about 13 billion years ago and then left it after that. Not interfering with life or humans or anything like that. A Deistic God.
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The same goes for proof that God doesn't exist as atheists claim.
There are two types of Atheism..
1.Strong atheism
2.Weak Atheism.
Strong Atheism=There is no GOD!
Weak Atheism=Lack of belief there is a God.
Weak atheism makes no claims.
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http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html
"Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions. "
Yeah, sounds crystal clear to me.
That article uses "Theory" in laymen terms so as not to confuse laymen who frequently read such sites.
In reality...Scientific Theories NEVER become "proven" only disproven in which case they are replaced by another theory that accounts for the new evidence against the last.
"Big bang theory" isn't the same as "The big bang".
The Big bang "Theory" explains the big bang...How and why it occured.
The Big bang happened. "Big bang" as in about 13 billion years ago the universes suddenly started expanding from a singularity and is still doing so today.(Which can be measured via background radiation).
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There are two types of Atheism..
1.Strong atheism
2.Weak Atheism.
Strong Atheism=There is no GOD!
Weak Atheism=Lack of belief there is a God.
Weak atheism makes no claims.
So then by your reasoning:
1. Lack of faith of a God makes a weak atheist. Since you make no claim that God does not exist you would be a weak atheist.
2. Anyone who has faith in the existence of God is a weak because they lack the strength to submit themselves totally to science and scientific theory.
Would this analysis of your statements be correct?
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http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/does-god-exist-c.htm
(A link provided from a "Big Bang" article)
Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:
Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
This is absolutely false. NO ONE has calculated the odds of evolution or natural formation of the universe. Such calculatins would be IMPOSSIBLE given the infinite amount of unknown variables.
Secondly you say "Information requires an intelligent designer". Ok..PROVE IT. Prove information can't form without an intelligent designer.
Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
Some philosophers agree and many others don't. Philosophers aren't scientists. Philosophers can't answer advanced scientific questions. Their OPINIONS are of little importance to such scientific questions.
Who gave me my conscience? EVOLUTION. Humans(Like most other animals) evolved so they could live alongside other of their own or in some cases other species. If humans evolved with no conscience(Scientists call it empathy) then they would not feel bad when they killed other humans. A population of humans not feeling bad for killing other humans would not last very long now would it? Empathy is the result of Evolution.
People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?
Geez, making the Big Bang theory even more clear.....
Personal anecdotes mean absolutely nothing. Unless they can be documented, Measured and tested they aren't science. People fool themselves and often misinterpret things that are completly natural as supernatural. This happens alot. People who see something they can't explain often interpret it as supernatural if they aren't critical thinkers.
It's human nature to misinterpret things when under alot of stress. You see a fog at a distance in the shape of a human and instantly you interpret it as a ghost if you don't know better.
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So then by your reasoning:
1. Lack of faith of a God makes a weak atheist. Since you make no claim that God does not exist you would be a weak atheist.
2. Anyone who has faith in the existence of God is a weak because they lack the strength to submit themselves totally to science and scientific theory.
Would this analysis of your statements be correct?
"Lack of belief" is weak atheism. I make no claim that god does or does not exist i'm a weak atheist. Weak atheists do not believe a God exists but do not make the assertion that one does not absolutely exist.
Anyone who believes in a God is mentally weak in that particular area of critical thinking. They are either emotionally weak or intellectually. Meaning they either believe because it makes them feel good or they believe because they really think the evidence supports it.
Newton was a Genius. Yet he believed in the Bible strictly and believed in prophecies and spent many years with alchemy and other nonsense like that. Alchemy is trying to turn iron into gold...
People can be extremly intelligent in some areas but extremly stupid in other areas.
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"Lack of belief" is weak atheism. I make no claim that god does or does not exist i'm a weak atheist. Weak atheists do not believe a God exists but do not make the assertion that one does not absolutely exist.
Anyone who believes in a God is mentally weak in that particular area of critical thinking. They are either emotionally weak or intellectually. Meaning they either believe because it makes them feel good or they believe because they really think the evidence supports it.
Newton was a Genius. Yet he believed in the Bible strictly and believed in prophecies and spent many years with alchemy and other nonsense like that. Alchemy is trying to turn iron into gold...
People can be extremly intelligent in some areas but extremly stupid in other areas.
This definition of critical thinking was taken from the Critical Thinking Community (http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/definingCT.shtml)
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness.
It entails the examination of those structures or elements of thought implicit in all reasoning: purpose, problem, or question-at-issue; assumptions; concepts; empirical grounding; reasoning leading to conclusions; implications and consequences; objections from alternative viewpoints; and frame of reference. Critical thinking - in being responsive to variable subject matter, issues, and purposes - is incorporated in a family of interwoven modes of thinking, among them: scientific thinking, mathematical thinking, historical thinking, anthropological thinking, economic thinking, moral thinking, and philosophical thinking.
It seems to me that believing in God fits the description of critical thinking. I'm not talking about blind faith (belief without question) but trying to gain knowledge and understanding of the Bible and using science to help unlock the mysteries of how we came to be.
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This definition of critical thinking was taken from the Critical Thinking Community (http://www.criticalthinking.org/aboutCT/definingCT.shtml)
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness.
It entails the examination of those structures or elements of thought implicit in all reasoning: purpose, problem, or question-at-issue; assumptions; concepts; empirical grounding; reasoning leading to conclusions; implications and consequences; objections from alternative viewpoints; and frame of reference. Critical thinking - in being responsive to variable subject matter, issues, and purposes - is incorporated in a family of interwoven modes of thinking, among them: scientific thinking, mathematical thinking, historical thinking, anthropological thinking, economic thinking, moral thinking, and philosophical thinking.
It seems to me that believing in God fits the description of critical thinking. I'm not talking about blind faith (belief without question) but trying to gain knowledge and understanding of the Bible and using science to help unlock the mysteries of how we came to be.
Moral and philosophical thinking does not equate to a belief in a God. I myself am a moral and philosophical atheist. I actually come to atheism via philosophy and contemplation. There are many fields of philosophy dedicated to secular moralism.
Most university teachers who teach philosophy will agree with me that the philosophical logic of a "God" just doesn't make sense. Many reasons. Obvious reasons. Many paradoxes concerning the existence of a God. Espically an Omnipotent God as described in the Bible. Many problems with the moral aspects of such a being existing. Simply blaming all of our problems on the adam&eve sinning doesn't sufice considering the entire story of genesis has been disproven by science.
Understanding the Bible is not a bad thing. Truly understanding who wrote it and why they wrote it and what it means is a good thing. Your conclusions won't be that it is the flawless conclusion of some omnipotent God..Oh no..It will be that the bible was composed by ancient people in the middle east and it details their beliefs about the world. Nothing more.
Using science to unlock the mysteries of the bible isn't a bad thing either. Actually science IS doing just that. Science is explaining the various aspects of the bible and how some are based on history and most are based on false mythology.
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Moral and philosophical thinking does not equate to a belief in a God. I myself am a moral and philosophical atheist. I actually come to atheism via philosophy and contemplation. There are many fields of philosophy dedicated to secular moralism.
Most university teachers who teach philosophy will agree with me that the philosophical logic of a "God" just doesn't make sense. Many reasons. Obvious reasons. Many paradoxes concerning the existence of a God. Espically an Omnipotent God as described in the Bible. Many problems with the moral aspects of such a being existing. Simply blaming all of our problems on the adam&eve sinning doesn't sufice considering the entire story of genesis has been disproven by science.
Understanding the Bible is not a bad thing. Truly understanding who wrote it and why they wrote it and what it means is a good thing. Your conclusions won't be that it is the flawless conclusion of some omnipotent God..Oh no..It will be that the bible was composed by ancient people in the middle east and it details their beliefs about the world. Nothing more.
Using science to unlock the mysteries of the bible isn't a bad thing either. Actually science IS doing just that. Science is explaining the various aspects of the bible and how some are based on history and most are based on false mythology.
Moral and philosophical thinking in relation to religion is a debate for another time. I'll have do more research to justify my interpretation and give you an intelligent debate.
The Bible is just a book written by man that provides to us the laws of God. Because it was written by man it's important not to get caught up purely in it's literal translation. IMO, it's better to look for the spirit of the law or what God and Jesus intended. Far to many attrocities have happened in man's dark history in the name of God and religion because of someones twisted view of God in order to satisfy their own selfish agenda. I do not plan to be a party to anymore of them.
As far as blaming things on Adam and Eve... well, to me, it's an excuse by those that refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. What's done is done and what will be will be. All I can do is try to live my life by the following simple rules:
1. Reject passivity
2. Accept responsibility
3. Lead courageously
4. Expect God's reward
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Moral and philosophical thinking in relation to religion is a debate for another time. I'll have do more research to justify my interpretation and give you an intelligent debate.
The Bible is just a book written by man that provides to us the laws of God. Because it was written by man it's important not to get caught up purely in it's literal translation. IMO, it's better to look for the spirit of the law or what God and Jesus intended. Far to many attrocities have happened in man's dark history in the name of God and religion because of someones twisted view of God in order to satisfy their own selfish agenda. I do not plan to be a party to anymore of them.
As far as blaming things on Adam and Eve... well, to me, it's an excuse by those that refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. What's done is done and what will be will be. All I can do is try to live my life by the following simple rules:
1. Reject passivity
2. Accept responsibility
3. Lead courageously
4. Expect God's reward
1.You're stating that the bible details the "laws of God" without ever proving a God exists.
2.When I say "blaming it on adam and eve" i'm taking about NATURAL things like detah, Disease, Pain, Suffering, plagues..ect..ect. Inorder to live in this world you must kill and death is unavoidable. This world is full of pain and suffering. It was formed that way. Any God responsible for such a world would not be a God i'd worship even if I believed it existed.
Christians say "Well man is responsible for all of those things" by saying Adam and eve sinned and thus the world went into chaos. That is what I was refuting.
But you've also got problems HUMANS cause. A moral god would intervene and stop evil humans from hurting innocent humans. He would stop war and cure disease even if humans caused them. If humans are his children he should act like the adult and take care of them and end war,famine,suffering..ect.
The fact that people believe such a God exists that could wave his finger and abolish pain and suffering and disease from the world in a micro second yet allows it to continue amazes me. And the fact they WORSHIP such a god is baffling to me.
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Wow.... the fundamentalists would have a field day with you. ;D
His argument is "Even if the bible says so and so..It's false because my gut/"Spirit" tells me so. But you should still follow the bible!"
Doesn't make much sense does it?
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1.You're stating that the bible details the "laws of God" without ever proving a God exists.
2.When I say "blaming it on adam and eve" i'm taking about NATURAL things like detah, Disease, Pain, Suffering, plagues..ect..ect. Inorder to live in this world you must kill and death is unavoidable. This world is full of pain and suffering. It was formed that way. Any God responsible for such a world would not be a God i'd worship even if I believed it existed.
Christians say "Well man is responsible for all of those things" by saying Adam and eve sinned and thus the world went into chaos. That is what I was refuting.
But you've also got problems HUMANS cause. A moral god would intervene and stop evil humans from hurting innocent humans. He would stop war and cure disease even if humans caused them. If humans are his children he should act like the adult and take care of them and end war,famine,suffering..ect.
The fact that people believe such a God exists that could wave his finger and abolish pain and suffering and disease from the world in a micro second yet allows it to continue amazes me. And the fact they WORSHIP such a god is baffling to me.
If the Bible is not a "roadmap" to savlation what is it? As far as the proof of God's existence? Well, I've yet to see absolute proof but through my own lifes experiences and logic and reason I have faith in his existence.
The world is a nasty place without a doubt. However, it's what we do with our time here that defines who we are as people and a race. God gave us the free will to choose our own path.
I'm of the belief that if God suddenly showed up today and proved beyond a reasonable doubt he was God and then put an end to world suffering there would still be those that doubted him or be angry that he would interfere in the affairs of man.
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His argument is "Even if the bible says so and so..It's false because my gut/"Spirit" tells me so. But you should still follow the bible!"
Doesn't make much sense does it?
Sure it does. I don't take the Bible literally. I try to put it in context and look for it's meaning.
You've had arguments with Stella regarding Genesis about this.
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Wow.... the fundamentalists would have a field day with you. ;D
Let them. It wouldn't change a thing.
If everyone agreed on how the Bible was to be interpreted we wouldn't have so many different denominations of Christianity.
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I'm of the belief that if God suddenly showed up today and proved beyond a reasonable doubt he was God and then put an end to world suffering there would still be those that doubted him or be angry that he would interfere in the affairs of man.
SO WHAT???
Children often throw fits when their parents give them medicine. So what? It's for their own good.
If this God like a father then he should act like one. Stop letting people suffer and die needlessly and fix the world. He's OMNIPOTENT meaning he can do ANYTHING right? He should make the world better then. Get rid of aids and cancer. End death. End suffering. Make humans not required to kill other animals to survive. Make humans mentally stronger so they can't be hurt from emotional types of things. Sure the population will increase..So what? God can make the world larger and larger with the same gravity. Why not? He's GOD afterall!
The fact of the matter is this...The world is as the world formed and things happen as nature intends them to happen. Death,Suffering,Evil and pain are rampant and that's all there is to it. IF a God exists then he is either 1.Unable to fix the world or 2.Evil. Simple as that. Those are the only two explanations. A moral god would not sit back and do nothing while death and suffering occured on a masive scale. I don't sit back and do nothing if I am able to do something. I help when I see a problem. I do all I can to help other people when I see a problem. I don't sit back with infinite power and watch as people die and suffer!
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Let them. It wouldn't change a thing.
If everyone agreed on how the Bible was to be interpreted we would have so many different denominations of Christianity.
You mean we wouldn't have so many different denominations.
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You mean we wouldn't have so many different denominations.
Right. Wouldn't.
Sorry about the typo.
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SO WHAT???
Children often throw fits when their parents give them medicine. So what? It's for their own good.
If this God like a father then he should act like one. Stop letting people suffer and die needlessly and fix the world. He's OMNIPOTENT meaning he can do ANYTHING right? He should make the world better then. Get rid of aids and cancer. End death. End suffering. Make humans not required to kill other animals to survive. Make humans mentally stronger so they can't be hurt from emotional types of things. Sure the population will increase..So what? God can make the world larger and larger with the same gravity. Why not? He's GOD afterall!
The fact of the matter is this...The world is as the world formed and things happen as nature intends them to happen. Death,Suffering,Evil and pain are rampant and that's all there is to it. IF a God exists then he is either 1.Unable to fix the world or 2.Evil. Simple as that. Those are the only two explanations. A moral god would not sit back and do nothing while death and suffering occured on a masive scale. I don't sit back and do nothing if I am able to do something. I help when I see a problem. I do all I can to help other people when I see a problem. I don't sit back with infinite power and watch as people die and suffer!
So then you would make all drugs illegal, make abortion illegal, etc. because it's harmful to the body and immoral?
....or would you respect the free will of people and let them make their own choices (for better or worse) but still hold them accountable?
See where I'm going with this?
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So then you would make all drugs illegal, make abortion illegal, etc. because it's harmful to the body and immoral?
....or would you respect the free will of people and let them make their own choices (for better or worse) but still hold them accountable?
See where I'm going with this?
Absolutely false.
Every person has the right to do whatever makes them HAPPY. Even if drugs cause damage...It is the free will of the person to do what makes them happy.
If I were GOD I'd make it so drugs don't cause damage by making humans unable to die or get disease or even feel alot of pain.
Since we live in a world where death exists and there is nothing you can do about it(Now atleast) humans have the right to put whatever substance into their own bodies if it makes them happy. It is their choice. Compairing a God making a world where death exists and outlawing substance people take is very stupid.
Afterall the only reason people take drugs is to gain something. Be it health,Pleasure or whatever else. They do this because they LACK this naturally. Anti-biotics are because your God made bacteria. Drugs are used because humans can't naturally produce the pleasure these drugs give them for whatever reason.
A god could easily make it so humans could emulate naturally whatever feelings these drugs produce without ever taking the drugs and be 100% healthy while doing it.
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Absolutely false.
Every person has the right to do whatever makes them HAPPY. Even if drugs cause damage...It is the free will of the person to do what makes them happy.
If I were GOD I'd make it so drugs don't cause damage by making humans unable to die or get disease or even feel alot of pain.
Since we live in a world where death exists and there is nothing you can do about it(Now atleast) humans have the right to put whatever substance into their own bodies if it makes them happy. It is their choice. Compairing a God making a world where death exists and outlawing substance people take is very stupid.
I think you're missing my point about free will and accountability, Johnny.
I'm not debating whether drug use is right or wrong. I'm a Libertarian so I'm all about freedom of choice (with personal accountability).
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I think you're missing my point about free will and accountability, Johnny.
I'm not debating whether drug use is right or wrong. I'm a Libertarian so I'm all about freedom of choice (with personal accountability).
You're compairing legalizing drugs even if they are unealthy and letting people make their own choices to a God sitting back and watching people suffer and die when it's NOT their choice to do so.
A God could make everything right without infringing on freewill. But outlawing drugs so people don't do them 1.Doesn't even work beacus people still do them and 2.Infringes on freewills.
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You're compairing legalizing drugs even if they are unealthy and letting people make their own choices to a God sitting back and watching people suffer and die when it's NOT their choice to do so.
A God could make everything right without infringing on freewill. But outlawing drugs so people don't do them 1.Doesn't even work beacus people still do them and 2.Infringes on freewills.
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I used drugs as an example. Poor choice since it seems to be a sore spot with you.
My point is this: God respects free will. Our pain and suffering on this plane of reality is a trial - a test. What we do here, in this life, defines who we are as a race. We can choose to be compassionate towards our fellow man and ease our suffering or add to the problems we face everyday. That, Johnny, is our choice. That is our test.
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I used drugs as an example. Poor choice since it seems to be a sore spot with you.
My point is this: God respects free will. Our pain and suffering on this plane of reality is a trial - a test. What we do here, in this life, defines who we are as a race. We can choose to be compassionate towards our fellow man and ease our suffering or add to the problems we face everyday. That, Johnny, is our choice. That is our test.
All of the compassion in the world doesn't get rid of disease and death. ::)
Cancer patient...
(http://thumb3.shutterstock.com/photos2/display_pic_with_logo/9602/9602,1121962766,10.jpg)
Oh yea..A "Test"! ::)
The fact you believe a god exists and that this god can help this child yet this god doesn't and you WORSHIP this god makes me sick.
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All of the compassion in the world doesn't get rid of disease and death. ::)
Cancer patient...
(http://thumb3.shutterstock.com/photos2/display_pic_with_logo/9602/9602,1121962766,10.jpg)
Oh yea..A "Test"! ::)
The fact you believe a god exists and that this god can help this child yet this god doesn't and you WORSHIP this god makes me sick.
Yes, Johnny - a test.
I never said life was fair.
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Yes, Johnny - a test.
I never said life was fair.
Life isn't fair. The god you worship made life. Therefor it is the fault of the god you worship that life is unfair.
Your God could easily fix it but he does not. Supposedly all of the death and suffering in the world is a "test".
Children die from cancer and other diseases everyday and it's a "test".
Again...If a God exists either
1.He is unable to fix it
or
2.He is a cruel sadistic unethical monster.
Considering there's no evidence a God exists such discussions about his "morality" or I should say lack there-of are highly pointless.
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Life isn't fair. The god you worship made life. Therefor it is the fault of the god you worship that life is unfair.
Your God could easily fix it but he does not. Supposedly all of the death and suffering in the world is a "test".
Children die from cancer and other diseases everyday and it's a "test".
Again...If a God exists either
1.He is unable to fix it
or
2.He is a cruel sadistic unethical monster.
Considering there's no evidence a God exists such discussions about his "morality" or I should say lack there-of are highly pointless.
I feel sad for you, Johnny, and I'm sorry that you're so hurt and angry. :(
Did you listen to the sermon I provided in the Philippians 1:8-10 thread?
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I feel sad for you, Johnny, and I'm sorry that you're so hurt and angry. :(
Did you listen to the sermon I provided in the Philippians 1:8-10 thread?
YOU feel sad for ME?
BAHAHAH!!! I'm not the one worshiping an imaginary monster!
How someone can be as stupid as you and still get through life is even more amazing than your absurd beliefs! You just can't grasp the fact that EVEN IF you god exists which no evidence exists supporting such...HE WOULD BE AN EVIL MONSTER! You're so mentally weak you can't face the facts. Wake the fuck up!
It seems everytime you come upon a post you can't refute you copout with "I feel bad for you" or "Why are you so angry" or "I'll pray for you." Everytime I see that bullshit I laugh my ass off!
Did I listen to the Sermon? No. My computer is too slow. 56k it has to load every 2 seconds.
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Lets all smoke the peacepipe and get down to the real question.
Are you all a figment of my imagination?
Not confident you can convince me either way :)
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YOU feel sad for ME?
BAHAHAH!!! I'm not the one worshiping an imaginary monster!
How someone can be as stupid as you and still get through life is even more amazing than your absurd beliefs! You just can't grasp the fact that EVEN IF you god exists which no evidence exists supporting such...HE WOULD BE AN EVIL MONSTER! You're so mentally weak you can't face the facts. Wake the f**k up!
It seems everytime you come upon a post you can't refute you copout with "I feel bad for you" or "Why are you so angry" or "I'll pray for you." Everytime I see that bullshit I laugh my ass off!
Did I listen to the Sermon? No. My computer is too slow. 56k it has to load every 2 seconds.
Why does a person of your self-proclaimed intellect spend so much of his time in the religious section of a bodybuilder's forum?
You obviously have no need of God, Jesus, or Christians so why are you here? Do you honestly think that your anger and hate will weaken my faith?
Johnny, the more you post the more you make it very clear that you are a angry and hurt person. That's why I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for anyone that is in pain and suffering since I've been there myself.
BTW, you can still listen to the sermon with a 56k modem. It's a streamed audio file.
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Why does a person of your self-proclaimed intellect spend so much of his time in the religious section of a bodybuilder's forum?
You obviously have no need of God, Jesus, or Christians so why are you here? Do you honestly think that your anger and hate will weaken my faith?
Johnny, the more you post the more you make it very clear that you are a angry and hurt person. That's why I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for anyone that is in pain and suffering since I've been there myself.
BTW, you can still listen to the sermon with a 56k modem. It's a streamed audio file.
Look at the name of the forum Religious Debates & Threads
I'm here to debate.
Secondly I tried to play it on my computer but it plays for 2 seconds and then loads for 30 seconds, Plays for 2 more loads for 30 more. Won't work.
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Look at the name of the forum Religious I'm here to debate.
Secondly I tried to play it on my computer but it plays for 2 seconds and then loads for 30 seconds, Plays for 2 more loads for 30 more. Won't work.
That still doesn't answer my question but if you call what you're doing debate then more power to you.
It's to bad you can listen to the sermon. It covers a lot of what we've been debating.
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That still doesn't answer my question but if you call what you're doing debate then more power to you.
It's to bad you can listen to the sermon. It covers a lot of what we've been debating.
Most of what i'm doint isn't debate but DESTRUCTION. I'm destroying your beleifs one belief at a time and you're sitting back "praying" for me.
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Most of what i'm doint isn't debate but DESTRUCTION. I'm destroying your beleifs one belief at a time and you're sitting back "praying" for me.
You've destroyed nothing but, thanks to you, my faith is even stronger than before. :)
For that I say, thank you. :) :) :)
I have not prayed for you. I feel sad for you but haven't prayed for you. You wouldn't appreciate the prayer anyways. ::)
Can you see where Matthew 7:6 applies here, Johnny?
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You've destroyed nothing but, thanks to you, my faith is even stronger than before. :)
For that I say, thank you. :) :) :)
I have not prayed for you. I feel sad for you but haven't prayed for you. You wouldn't appreciate the prayer anyways. ::)
Can you see where Matthew 7:6 applies here, Johnny?
If your dogma is stronger inlight of evidence against it then you're thick headed.
Matthew 7:6 absolutely applies here. Except i'm not the swine! ;)
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If your dogma is stronger inlight of evidence against it then you're thick headed.
Matthew 7:6 absolutely applies here. Except i'm not the swine! ;)
Perhaps. I guess it will take more than a Christian hating atheist to weaken my faith. Like I told you before, my faith is based on my life's experiences, logic, and reason. I have YET to see absolute proof of the non-existence of God.
I was thinking in Matthew 7:6 that you were the dog. ;)
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Perhaps. I guess it will take more than a Christian hating atheist to weaken my faith. Like I told you before, my faith is based on my life's experiences, logic, and reason. I have YET to see absolute proof of the non-existence of God.
I was thinking in Matthew 7:6 that you were the dog. ;)
What logic? What reason?
You expect absolute proof against something inorder not to believe in it?
No one can absolutely prove that green aliens don't live on venus. Therefor you believe they do? Really? ::)
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What logic? What reason?
You expect absolute proof against something inorder not to believe in it?
No one can absolutely prove that green aliens don't live on venus. Therefor you believe they do? Really? ::)
No, Johnny, I don't expect absolute proof of God's non-existence.
My faith (and reasons for having it) are sufficient for me.
You really need to consider taking your crusade against Christianity elsewhere. You're really not doing a good job of it here.
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http://www.non-religious.com/faith.html
Faith - Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
Religious faith is simply unjustified belief in matters such as life after death, or god, in the absence of tangible evidence. There are many detrimental results of religious faith:
Irrational thought instead of logic, and people giving no consideration to the possibility that they are wrong.
Intolerance of people who hold other beliefs, or no religious beliefs.
Using different moral guidelines, or not using moral guidelines, in the treatment of people outside their faith.
Sanctioning people, or countries, of other faiths, thereby making society less productive.
Faith often sparks violence between groups; one just needs to look at history to find countless examples of wars and conflicts where faith has been a contributing factor. Sam Harris, in his book "The End of Faith," argues that in the presence of weapons of mass destruction we cannot expect to survive our religious differences indefinitely. He states, "We have simply lost the right to our myths." Rationality, instead of religion, needs to be applied to ethical issues on both the local and global levels.
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you have to put religion in historical perspective and then it becomes something completely different. a civilizations religion is a future civilizations mythlogy. when you say you believe in god what do you mean by that ? in the U.S. you mean, for most,the Christian idea of god. in other parts of the world and throughout history it can mean many things. to us it's Greek mythology to them it was there theology
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Most of what i'm doint isn't debate but DESTRUCTION. I'm destroying your beleifs one belief at a time and you're sitting back "praying" for me.
More evidence you are a little lonely boy Johnny. Your intellectual ego needs to be so large to compensate for your poor self exteem in the real world. You actually think you are destroying people's beliefs? You write that as if you are so proud of it. Little boy. You are a idiot. A real idiot.
Go back to your mommy and ask her to hold you.
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Atheists aren't stupid. I've never met one who is not smart. And to not believe in God becuase of a lack of evidence or facts only shows how that person thinks.
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Atheists are either stupid, ignorant, or just plain communist. Since atheists don't believe in God, they shouldn't attempt to convince other people that God doesn't exist. What I don't like about atheists is that you find a lot of them in politics. Atheists don't have the slightest idea as to what "One nation under God" means or what "In God we trust" means to people who are patriots.
God is such a mystery that when you figure out who God is, then you will discover a secret that has been kept hidden by the Church and the State for so many years.
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Atheists are either stupid, ignorant, or just plain communist. Since atheists don't believe in God, they shouldn't attempt to convince other people that God doesn't exist. What I don't like about atheists is that you find a lot of them in politics. Atheists don't have the slightest idea as to what "One nation under God" means or what "In God we trust" means to people who are patriots.
God is such a mystery that when you figure out who God is, then you will discover a secret that has been kept hidden by the Church and the State for so many years.
This coming from an unrepentant homosexual :-\. Seek Jesus for real and he might heal you.
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Atheists are either stupid, ignorant, or just plain communist. Since atheists don't believe in God, they shouldn't attempt to convince other people that God doesn't exist. What I don't like about atheists is that you find a lot of them in politics. Atheists don't have the slightest idea as to what "One nation under God" means or what "In God we trust" means to people who are patriots.
God is such a mystery that when you figure out who God is, then you will discover a secret that has been kept hidden by the Church and the State for so many years.
So it's OK for Christian to ram down there ideology on non-believers but not OK for non-believers to try to open some eyes. Look what faith has done in the last 2000 years, it makes people kill others in the name of some god,it makes Christians kill Christians in the name of god, it makes people send children to fight in the name of god to be slaughtered like lambs, it makes people sell everything to wait for the end time, it makes people strap bombs to there bodies for the glory of god.Almost every major conflict in the world today is theolocally based. As humans we would be much better off if religious faith would die and reason takes over. Believe in a after life is fine if it gives you confort but there are better ways to teach morals and ethics then a scared straight mentality which in the long run has never worked.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_other_uses
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Wikipedia is not a reliable source!! you should know that. They can put whatever they want there the information is not verified.
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Atheists are either stupid, ignorant, or just plain communist. Since atheists don't believe in God, they shouldn't attempt to convince other people that God doesn't exist. What I don't like about atheists is that you find a lot of them in politics. Atheists don't have the slightest idea as to what "One nation under God" means or what "In God we trust" means to people who are patriots.
God is such a mystery that when you figure out who God is, then you will discover a secret that has been kept hidden by the Church and the State for so many years.
1.Hardly any atheists in politics.
2."One nation under God" wasn't added until the 1950's by communist scared politicans who equated atheism to communism.
3.Theists try to converte people..Why can't atheists?
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Wikipedia is not a reliable source!! you should know that. They can put whatever they want there the information is not verified.
Wikipedia is reliable. However some articles in it aren't.
Articles that are frequently viewed are more accurate than those that aren't.
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as whatever you people call yourselves, christian, catholic...whatever set you claim.......is it 'ok' to say 'athiests are stupid'?
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Atheists aren't stupid. They are just very ignorant people because they don't know who God is, and they don't know how God influences powerful people in politics.
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Atheists aren't stupid. They are just very ignorant people because they don't know who God is, and they don't know how God influences powerful people in politics.
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and they don't know how God influences powerful people in politics.
Don't tell me you believe Bush is influence by God.....
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Don't tell me you believe Bush is influence by God.....
Karl Rove is God?
Uh-oh
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Atheists aren't stupid. They are just very ignorant people because they don't know who God is, and they don't know how God influences powerful people in politics.
i still find 'ignorant' insulting
talkin about us behind our backs every sunday
tsk tsk
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...because they don't know who God is, and they don't know how God influences powerful people in politics.
ummm, yes they do. That's where all the anguish comes from...
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Bush is influenced by God because Bush knows that God exists based on the false premise that makes people believe there is a separation of Church and State
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Bush is influenced by God because Bush knows that God exists based on the false premise that makes people believe there is a separation of Church and State
Bush is influenced by greed and his greedy wealthy supporters. Be real.
And if God IS influencing Bush he/she is not doing a good Job.
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Bush is influenced by God because Walker believes that he is the chosen one, to be the global God father of the(so called) holy war on terrorism.
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Bush is influenced by God because Walker believes that he is the chosen one, to be the global God father of the(so called) holy war on terrorism.
(snicker).... Who's Walker?
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(snicker).... Who's Walker?
He's a Texas Ranger - a real bad ass.
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Oh never mind then. "BUSH is the anointed one"
ALL HAIL BUSH!
BUSH IS GOOD!
BUSH IS GOOD!
BUSH IS GOOD!
We've got BUSH!
We've got BUSH!
We've got BUSH!
We all want BUSH!
We all want BUSH!
We all want BUSH!
Have you had some BUSH today?
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Ok...Now PROVE IT.
Prove God exists.
I can prove He exists to me, because my prayers are always answered (though not always the way I like and not always as fast as I'd like). I've tested a number of the guidelines for healthy living, both in terms of food and relationships with other people, and they work. I pay tithe and have found the money, plus interest, is always returned to me. I'm raising my children using Biblical principles and I have four solid citizens who should turn into great adult citizens. You can't take those experiences and say they scientifically prove God exists, but they're good enough for me.
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I can prove He exists to me, because my prayers are always answered (though not always the way I like and not always as fast as I'd like). I've tested a number of the guidelines for healthy living, both in terms of food and relationships with other people, and they work. I pay tithe and have found the money, plus interest, is always returned to me. I'm raising my children using Biblical principles and I have four solid citizens who should turn into great adult citizens. You can't take those experiences and say they scientifically prove God exists, but they're good enough for me.
"Good enough for you" isn't proof of anything!
Lastnight I prayed to thor that the sun would shine today, Guess what..It did! Therefor Thor exists!
Bad logic as you can see.
Prayer doesn't work...
Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.
And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.
Because it is the most scientifically rigorous investigation of whether prayer can heal illness, the study, begun almost a decade ago and involving more than 1,800 patients, has for years been the subject of speculation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?ex=1301461200&en=4acf338be4900000&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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Three things prove that God exists:
A. There is no separation of church and state
B. This country is more than "One nation under God"
C. "In God We Trust" means that the all-american politician in Congress has faith in God
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I can prove He exists to me, because my prayers are always answered (though not always the way I like and not always as fast as I'd like).
I know EXACTLY what you mean. The prayers get answered, just not always exactly how we wanted it.
Last winter... I was praying really hard. And next thing ya know... we got eight inches of snow overnight. :-\
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I know EXACTLY what you mean. The prayers get answered, just not always exactly how we wanted it.
Last winter... I was praying really hard. And next thing ya know... we got eight inches of snow overnight. :-\
;D Yeah. I gave up praying for the phone call from the lawyer handling the estate of a rich long lost uncle who died and left me a bundle.
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I know that praying works for people who call themselves religious conservatives. The leader of the pack is the president & CEO of America. The faith of Bush comes from his upbringing in Texas. The Lone Star State is a great place because of the culture of republicanism, cowboys, cattle, the ranch, pick-up trucks, rangers, the rodeo, & the christian church.
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I'm not playing this game with you, Johnny. I don't have the time nor the desire to put effort into something you'll quickly dismiss. Anything ANYONE tells you will be viewed by you as non-credible because you simply lack faith. Nothing I can say or do can or will change that. It's your journey and yours alone.
As I told you, I have very personal reasons for my faith and I certainly don't have to explain them to a non-believer. Can you see how Matthew 7:6 applies here?
Besides, you're the one putting Christianity on trial - not me.
BTW, by retracting your claim of saying God is not real you're saying that it is possible that he is.
When you remove all that is impossible what remains is possible.
Ok.
Let me add my take on this.
Christians claim that there is an existance of something.
Hence the burden of proof lies on them.
The problem in our society, is that we've got it backwards.
We are giving the atheists the burden of proof.
When instead, we should look at it (faith) as an empty field, which we should try to fill with scientifically proven theories.
If there is no theory which holds up to critical scientific research, then there is no place for faith.
Good or bad, doesn't matter. It's just the truth.
And truth shall set us free.
YIP
Zack
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Ok.
Let me add my take on this.
Christians claim that there is an existance of something.
Hence the burden of proof lies on them.
The problem in our society, is that we've got it backwards.
We are giving the atheists the burden of proof.
When instead, we should look at it (faith) as an empty field, which we should try to fill with scientifically proven theories.
If there is no theory which holds up to critical scientific research, then there is no place for faith.
Good or bad, doesn't matter. It's just the truth.
And truth shall set us free.
YIP
Zack
Jesus just put a bullet in the chamber and it's for you >:(
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Jesus just put a bullet in the chamber and it's for you >:(
Great.
That means he'll have to show up, and prove he ( the Messiah) exist first.
YIP
Zack
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I would assume that bullet that is in the chamber of that gun is meant for me because I have to lose my life.
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Great.
That means he'll have to show up, and prove he ( the Messiah) exist first.
YIP
Zack
Nope, he'll just shoot you in the back of the head! ;D
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I don't believe in God.I think is a character created to dispel the fears of ppl.What happens after we die etc.Jesus Christ?This guy probably did exist but was a character such as David Koresch in modern times.Just a man w/lots of charisma that was able to get gullible ppl. to follow his beliefs.Even Charles Manson was able to create a cult!!Oh, I also think there was a lot of ppl. f'in w/drugs back then :D.The bible is so contradictory imo it isn't funny.Oh yeah lol, believe it or not i'm a non practicing RC & used to be an altar boy.I never stayed behind after church services to chat w/priests however ;) lol.
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I don't believe in God.I think is a character created to dispel the fears of ppl.What happens after we die etc.Jesus Christ?This guy probably did exist but was a character such as David Koresch in modern times.Just a man w/lots of charisma that was able to get gullible ppl. to follow his beliefs.Even Charles Manson was able to create a cult!!Oh, I also think there was a lot of ppl. f'in w/drugs back then :D.The bible is so contradictory imo it isn't funny.Oh yeah lol, believe it or not i'm a non practicing RC & used to be an altar boy.I never stayed behind after church services to chat w/priests however ;) lol.
I think a lot of us athests don't have a problem with god/religion or people who believe in it. The 2 problems are:
1. Getting it forced down your throat by zealots.
2. Being told I'm going to hell for being a non-believer
How often do you see athests on street corners preaching or turning up at your house trying to convert you to atheism?
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ive learned to trust jesus through the years,hes gotten me out of situations that were pretty much impossible to get out of,trust me on that
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ive learned to trust jesus through the years,hes gotten me out of situations that were pretty much impossible to get out of,trust me on that
dude you've learned to trust yourself but you attribute it to jesus...
why sell yourself short?
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dude you've learned to trust yourself but you attribute it to jesus...
why sell yourself short?
Perhaps Jesus is inside him.... a power avialable to all of us and with us at all times. So it his himself he trusted, he chose to trust what God has given us.
Just a thought. God is inside us. He is part of who we are.
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Perhaps Jesus is inside him.... a power avialable to all of us and with us at all times. So it his himself he trusted, he chose to trust what God has given us.
Just a thought. God is inside us. He is part of who we are.
He is a part of who you are but not me i'm afraid... sounds like he was a hell of a guy though!
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I think a lot of us athests don't have a problem with god/religion or people who believe in it. The 2 problems are:
1. Getting it forced down your throat by zealots.
2. Being told I'm going to hell for being a non-believer
How often do you see athests on street corners preaching or turning up at your house trying to convert you to atheism?
Amen.
It's always the religious nuts trying to force their agenda, even killing in the name of their faith.
When's the last time you heard someone who doesn't give a flying fuck about god and faith trying to throw it in peoples' faces?
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Another thing, some congressman who supported the 10 commandments being in a courthouse was asked to name all of them and he could name only like 4... hahaha
Stupid religous nuts.