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Some work. Many don't. And the ones who do work aren't generally doing anything inherently better and are doing the work that natives were doing long before their arrival and still are doing!
Immigrant worship has played out!
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Some work. Many don't. And the ones who do work aren't generally doing anything inherently better and are doing the work that natives were doing long before their arrival and still are doing!
Immigrant worship has played out!
cheap labor, from construction to IT
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Asians are hard workers...
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Asians are hard workers...
Yup they smart to ::)
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Asians are hard workers...
pakis are halfass workers
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Some work. Many don't. And the ones who do work aren't generally doing anything inherently better and are doing the work that natives were doing long before their arrival and still are doing!
Immigrant worship has played out!
Most are hard workers, old ones aside. Why? Because they don't have benefits and won't die and not be able to sent their families money if they didn't work. Now I'm not talking about the ones that abuse the system and get fake ssn numbers, that shit needs to stop.
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Some work. Many don't. And the ones who do work aren't generally doing anything inherently better and are doing the work that natives were doing long before their arrival and still are doing!
Immigrant worship has played out!
alabama's HB 56 bill crippled their agriculture industry and cost the state about 10% of their annual gdp.
think about how much it costs to wash your car and if you'd want to do that job sucking in those dangerous fumes for pennies.
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alabama's HB 56 bill crippled their agriculture industry and cost the state about 10% of their annual gdp.
think about how much it costs to wash your car and if you'd want to do that job sucking in those dangerous fumes for pennies.
1.) Yeah America's dark secret is there are jobs that Americans don't want to do and are needed.
2.) I turn my car off before I was it. ;)
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Some work. Many don't. And the ones who do work aren't generally doing anything inherently better and are doing the work that natives were doing long before their arrival and still are doing!
Immigrant worship has played out!
Having known many people who became illegal immigrants, I have to agree with this.
Illegal immigrants are not an homogeneous monolith, as some people want you to think.
A few groups I've noticed are:
The ones who can afford to go as tourists but end up staying as aliens. They are usually middle class, with good manners and an average education (perhaps below average by US standards).
The ones who will risk their lives in order to enter illegaly. They are usually less educated than the first group. They can pay up to 15K-20K to coyotes so they take him to the US. That amount of money would allow them to start a small business where they come from, yet they choose to leave their country.
People who go to a foreing country only because they have relatives there. This is a really heterogeneous group. Hard to make a generalization about it.
Hardworking, frugal people who pursue high paid jobs in order to save as much money as possible and send it back to their country so they can come back one day and invest it. A small group in my opinion.
People who come from colapsed societies like Venezuela, or Siria. Again, hard to make a generalization about them, except that they had good reasons to run away from the country.
All in all, those gruops are not mutually exclusive. I guess some of them overlap oftenly.
PD: I'm talking only about latinos.
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Having known many people who became illegal immigrants, I have to agree with this.
Illegal immigrants are not an homogeneous monolith, as some people want you to think.
A few groups I've noticed are:
The ones who can afford to go as tourists but end up staying as aliens. They are usually middle class, with good manners and an average education (perhaps below average by US standards).
The ones who will risk their lives in order to enter illegaly. They are usually less educated than the first group. They can pay up to 15K-20K to coyotes so they take him to the US. That amount of money would allow them to start a small business where they come from, yet they choose to leave their country.
People who go to a foreing country only because they have relatives there. This is a really heterogeneous group. Hard to make a generalization about it.
Hardworking, frugal people who pursue high paid jobs in order to save as much money as possible and send it back to their country so they can come back one day and invest it. A small group in my opinion.
People who come from colapsed societies like Venezuela, or Siria. Again, hard to make a generalization about them, except that they had good reasons to run away from the country.
All in all, those gruops are not mutually exclusive. I guess some of them overlap oftenly.
PD: I'm talking only about latinos.
Know anyone who can clean my toilet?
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worth ethic is a matter of morality, not race.
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worth ethic is a matter of morality, not race.
Work ethic is not a matter of morality. It's part of a psychological trait called conscientiousness. It can be measured and used to predict things like success in the academy and in the work field. It's also been proven to be heritable.
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Work ethic is not a matter of morality.
minus the genetic factor, would u agree that work ethic is a matter of morality?
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Work ethic is not genetic or moral its cultural. Whether religious, national, political, city, home culture thats what its based on.
its a moral issue. anything of lasting value is built and maintained upon a solid moral foundation, if that foundation crumbles, things go to shit.
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its a moral issue. anything of lasting value is built and maintained upon a solid moral foundation, if that foundation crumbles, things go to shit.
LMAO!
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Yup they smart to ::)
Japan is a first world country and them and China don’t let everyone in their country, they reject pretty much all Muslims, unlike European countries
So who’s smart I ask you?
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Look at catholic cultures vs protestant: Latin Americans, Southern Europeans, Irish, Canada (French speaking part), Philippines vs Germans, Scandanavia, Canada (English Speaking part), USA circa 1970, Australia, Northern Europe (Belgium, etc.).
The "protestant" section you listed is 100% White. ::)
As for Quebec, yes, it is a province on welfare, but it beats living there than ANY of the non-White areas you listed. Ditto for Southern Europe. Are you telling me you see no difference between Mexico and Italy? ::)
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Trump Administration just added 15,000 VISA's allow temporary workers from Mexico into our country to take jobs away from American citizens.
I'm sure there are plenty of hardworking American citizens who can do these jobs. If they need to raise the wages to get Americans to take these jobs they should just do it and pass it along to the consumer.
I'm sure everyone would be fine with that.
It's crazy to give these jobs away to Mexican's, most of whom Trump has previously warned us are rapists and criminals and I'm sure a few good people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-adds-15-000-work-visas-will-it-help-shell-n877696
President Donald Trump's Department of Homeland Security announced Friday it was making available an additional 15,000 visas for a seasonal work program that were badly needed by businesses, particularly in the Trump-voting crab town of Hoopers Island.
"The limitations on H-2B visas were originally meant to protect American workers, but when we enter a situation where the program unintentionally harms American businesses it needs to be reformed," said DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen in granting the additional visas. "As Secretary, I remain committed to protecting U.S. workers and strengthening the integrity of our lawful immigration system and look forward to working with Congress to do so."
After demand exceeded the available supply of 66,000 visas, DHS used a lottery system to award them to businesses, rather than on a a first come, first served basis. The change hit Hoopers Island, Maryland, hard as NBC News reported earlier this month, leaving it without 40 percent of the visas its crab-picking businesses need to operate.
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Trump Administration just added 15,000 VISA's allow temporary workers from Mexico into our country to take jobs away from American citizens.
I'm sure there are plenty of hardworking American citizens who can do these jobs. If they need to raise the wages to get Americans to take these jobs they should just do it and pass it along to the consumer.
I'm sure everyone would be fine with that.
It's crazy to give these jobs away to Mexican's, most of whom Trump has previously warned us are rapists and criminals and I'm sure a few good people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-adds-15-000-work-visas-will-it-help-shell-n877696
You LIAR! Trump would never do that! America First!!
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LMAO!
think of it like this..... meth heads r capable of an admirable work ethic while high (even if it is working towards damnation 4 the most part, lol)... not much 4 longevity, tho. I'm not quite sober enough to know if that makes sense... but thats the gist of what I feel
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think of it like this..... meth heads r capable of an admirable work ethic while high (even if it is working towards damnation 4 the most part, lol)... not much 4 longevity, tho. I'm not quite sober enough to know if that makes sense... but thats the gist of what I feel
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Trump Administration just added 15,000 VISA's allow temporary workers from Mexico into our country to take jobs away from American citizens.
I'm sure there are plenty of hardworking American citizens who can do these jobs. If they need to raise the wages to get Americans to take these jobs they should just do it and pass it along to the consumer.
I'm sure everyone would be fine with that.
It's crazy to give these jobs away to Mexican's, most of whom Trump has previously warned us are rapists and criminals and I'm sure a few good people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-adds-15-000-work-visas-will-it-help-shell-n877696
This is absolute bullshit. They are bringing these fuckers in to lower the wages, nothing new here.
https://www.epi.org/blog/h-2b-crabpickers-maryland-seafood-industry-paid-less-than-average/
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You LIAR! Trump would never do that! America First!!
Of course he would, he's a zionist shill...
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Of course he would, he's a zionist shill...
LMAO!
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Problem is immigrants do not want to assimilate ..dont learn language so Mexicans, Chinese..Muslims and every other immigrant simply turn town by little town into their own country and by the time the population 70-80% non American...non English speaking..Business owners simply cant afford to hire Americans..you cant serve the taken over community with Englsh...Community by community..one at a time is the immigrant strategy....Here in La We have China Town...Armenian town...Multiple Mexican towns..Stores..signs...n o english.Foreign flags....Saw immigrant get angry at cvs worker for not speaking spanish...and paid for meds with medicare in her 30's...out of control.
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Problem is immigrants do not want to assimilate ..dont learn language so Mexicans, Chinese..Muslims and every other immigrant simply turn town by little town into their own country and by the time the population 70-80% non American...non English speaking..Business owners simply cant afford to hire Americans..you cant serve the taken over community with Englsh...Community by community..one at a time is the immigrant strategy....Here in La We have China Town...Armenian town...Multiple Mexican towns..Stores..signs...n o english.Foreign flags....Saw immigrant get angry at cvs worker for not speaking spanish...and paid for meds with medicare in her 30's...out of control.
I think the real problem is, most of the world speaks more than one language. Some several. Americans speak for the most part, English and think everyone else is the same.
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I thing the real problem is, most of the world speaks more than one language. Some several. Americans speak for the most part, English and think everyone else is the same.
Agnostic007,
Can you say with a straight face that White-majority countries are going to be better off once we are flooded with people from third world countries?
Do you really believe that?
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Problem is immigrants do not want to assimilate ..dont learn language so Mexicans, Chinese..Muslims and every other immigrant simply turn town by little town into their own country and by the time the population 70-80% non American...non English speaking..Business owners simply cant afford to hire Americans..you cant serve the taken over community with Englsh...Community by community..one at a time is the immigrant strategy....Here in La We have China Town...Armenian town...Multiple Mexican towns..Stores..signs...n o english.Foreign flags....Saw immigrant get angry at cvs worker for not speaking spanish...and paid for meds with medicare in her 30's...out of control.
Parasites...leeches
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Work ethic is not genetic or moral its cultural. Whether religious, national, political, city, home culture thats what its based on.
Look at catholic cultures vs protestant: Latin Americans, Southern Europeans, Irish, Canada (French speaking part), Philippines vs Germans, Scandanavia, Canada (English Speaking part), USA circa 1970, Australia, Northern Europe (Belgium, etc.).
There isn't a succesful Catholic Colony. A protestant works for it, a Catholic is taught to pray for it. Of course this is a generalization but all these factors have stronger linear relationships to work ethic than do race. There are a lot of social studies on this.
Also countries in which there are large groups that self identify as different (whether race or religion such as a country like Brazil with Whites, Blacks/Mulatos, Natives/Mestizos, Zambos or a place like Iraq with 5 different religious groups making up the population) tend to have higher levels of strife, poverty, and wealth inequality which contributes to ever more strife/violence, poverty, and wealth inequality. The only countries that are an exception are Switzerland, Canada, Belgium, and all of these have strong protestant backgrounds, as well as parliamentary governing systems which allow for the inclusion of multiple groups of people in government representation.
Thus the real issue here are religious values/culture, and political culture > race.
Hey "genius", Irish convicts build Australia, visit Spain, Vatican,Italy,Croatia,Austria or Bavaria than talk BS.
First travel, then bla/bla/bla.
+ inform yourself abut current political situation in Sweden,Denmark,Germany or UK.
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If someone is well payed, they will be hard workers.
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Over 50% will use some form of welfare.....
In the 60's immigrants were screened to ensure they would be an asset to this country and not use government assistance...
And then the Democrats decided they wanted 'diversity' and the gates were opened...
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“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”
“This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”
“But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”
“The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”
“The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”
Theodore Roosevelt
Address to the Knights of Columbus
New York City- October 12th, 1915
And here's more. Unfortunately I cannot put it up so here's the link. From Teddy Roosevelt in 1916.
http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/images/research/txtspeeches/672.pdf (http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/images/research/txtspeeches/672.pdf)
And finally, from Snopes regarding Teddy Rooselvelt's stance on hyphenated "americans" -
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sole-loyalty/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sole-loyalty/)
Multiculturalism sucks ass. Fuck libtards.
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Hey "genius", Irish convicts build Australia, visit Spain, Vatican,Italy,Croatia,Austria or Bavaria than talk BS.
First travel, then bla/bla/bla.
+ inform yourself abut current political situation in Sweden,Denmark,Germany or UK.
Been to all these countries multiple times and lived in mainland Europe for 8 years..... none of the countries you mentioned rival Germany or Canada in success and living standard. Immigration is horrible see my post from above but this is a new development. The nations you mentioned are obviously better than Latin America and Africa for sure but my argument stands with these facts.
This is not a dick measuting contest I am just expressing my view point and have an argument that is backed up by social studies, and personal experiences. Yours may different and you are entitled to it.
Also I am not pro immigration as you may be implying.
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If someone is well payed, they will be hard workers.
I thought this was true until I worked my current job. Over 40 bucks an hour, strong union, all the 1.5 x and 2x you can work. Half the people do next to f*** all while the other half keeps the ball rolling.
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I thought this was true until I worked my current job. Over 40 bucks an hour, strong union, all the 1.5 x and 2x you can work. Strong union too. Half the people do next to f*** all while the other half keeps the ball rolling.
I agree with this.
I know people with a strong work ethic but underpaid cause they're kinda shy and won't ask for a raise.
I also know people who ask for a lot of money, but whose work ethic and skills don't match their ego.
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I'm veru anti immigration but I have to say after having worked with a fair few filipinos I gained a lot of respect for them. There are a lot of hard working sikh/east indian guys out there too. But that doesn't mean I want them in my town lol
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Why Work when they receive the handouts that they do
Bench
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Why Work when they receive the handouts that they do
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Serious question for everyone.
What benefits do illegal immigrants receive? Do they have access to healthcare? Food coupons? Free education for their children?
I really don't know.
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I thing the real problem is, most of the world speaks more than one language. Some several. Americans speak for the most part, English and think everyone else is the same.
Thread was about immigrants to America..Come to a foreign country...speak the language...has nothing to do with anyone else in the world. Language is a unifying force of a country...Dont want to speak English? ..learn 3rd world languages and stay in 3rd world....Come to The United States Of America for opportunity you do not have in your multiple language country? LEARN ENGLISH!!!! Its part of assimilation to a foreign country.
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Serious question for everyone.
What benefits do illegal immigrants receive? Do they have access to healthcare? Food coupons? Free education for their children?
I really don't know.
If they can't/don't get a fake SSN. Nothing. No handouts, they can't unless they game the system and get papers. They can't even go to the hospital because they will get deported. Some will get free ER visits, because you can't let people die. But many hospitals will kick them out as soon as possible, which can lead to death.
Now going back to the 14th amendment, anybody born here is a citizen. So kids might receive some help from the government, and are citizens so all rights americans have.
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Serious question for everyone.
What benefits do illegal immigrants receive? Do they have access to healthcare? Food coupons? Free education for their children?
I really don't know.
Good question. And being considered a liberal on this board, I have always wondered why we are so focused on a billion dollar tax payed wall, when we can immediately stop supplying free education and benifits to illegals for an immediate cost savings. With a Republican President, House and Senate why hasn't this happened?? If you make the US less attractive to illegals, there will be less
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Good question. And being considered a liberal on this board, I have always wondered why we are so focused on a billion dollar tax payed wall, when we can immediately stop supplying free education and benifits to illegals for an immediate cost savings. With a Republican President, House and Senate why hasn't this happened?? If you make the US less attractive to illegals, there will be less
yup, a wall is a waste of money and a stupid idea. Free education and benefits? Are you talking about kids born here?
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yup, a wall is a waste of money and a stupid idea. Free education and benefits? Are you talking about kids born here?
I wish. it actually involves anyone who comes across with kids no matter if they were born here or not
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I wish. it actually involves anyone who comes across with kids no matter if they were born here or not
Wrong. Google is friend. Not fox and friends
http://econofact.org/do-undocumented-immigrants-overuse-government-benefits
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Wrong. Google is friend. Not fox and friends
http://econofact.org/do-undocumented-immigrants-overuse-government-benefits
Thanks for posting that
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Wrong. Google is friend. Not fox and friends
http://econofact.org/do-undocumented-immigrants-overuse-government-benefits
How about posting a link with real numbers from the actual source instead of this jewish bullshit.
Here's statistics for LA from fox since you mentioned them.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/la-made-1-3b-in-illegal-immigrant-welfare-payouts-in-just-2-years.html
Illegal immigrant families received nearly $1.3 billion in Los Angeles County welfare money during 2015 and 2016, nearly one-quarter of the amount spent on the county’s entire needy population, according to data obtained by Fox News.
The data was obtained from the county Department of Public Social Services -- which is responsible for doling out the benefits --
The effect they have on the healthcare and justice system also needs to be taken into account.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#4a8a274b12c4
 
Current federal policy is to prohibit federal tax funding of health care to unauthorized immigrants through either Medicaid or Obamacare. Nevertheless, rough estimates suggest that the nation's 3.9 million uninsured immigrants who are unauthorized likely receive about $4.6 billion in health services paid for by federal taxes, $2.8 billion in health services financed by state and local taxpayers, another $3.0 bankrolled through "cost-shifting" i.e., higher payments by insured patients to cover hospital uncompensated care losses, and roughly $1.5 billion in physician charity care. In addition to these amounts, unauthorized immigrants likely benefit from at least $0.9 billion in implicit federal subsidies due to the tax exemption for nonprofit hospitals and another $5.7 billion in tax expenditures from the employer tax exclusion.
All told, Americans cross-subsidize health care for unauthorized immigrants to the tune of $18.5 billion a year . Of this total, federal taxpayers provided $11.2 billion in subsidized care to unauthorized immigrants in 2016
Illegal immigrants (mexicans) are a fiscal drain not because they are lazy and don’t work, but because people at that level of education have larger families on average and use a lot in social services and pay little in taxes.
And it's not just undocumented immigrants, legal immigrant households recieve benefits (mainly food and medicaid) at almost twice the rate of natives as well.
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How about posting a link with real numbers from the actual source instead of this jewish bullshit.
Here's statistics for LA from fox since you mentioned them.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/la-made-1-3b-in-illegal-immigrant-welfare-payouts-in-just-2-years.html
Illegal immigrant families received nearly $1.3 billion in Los Angeles County welfare money during 2015 and 2016, nearly one-quarter of the amount spent on the county’s entire needy population, according to data obtained by Fox News.
The data was obtained from the county Department of Public Social Services -- which is responsible for doling out the benefits --
The effect they have on the healthcare and justice system also needs to be taken into account.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#4a8a274b12c4
 
Current federal policy is to prohibit federal tax funding of health care to unauthorized immigrants through either Medicaid or Obamacare. Nevertheless, rough estimates suggest that the nation's 3.9 million uninsured immigrants who are unauthorized likely receive about $4.6 billion in health services paid for by federal taxes, $2.8 billion in health services financed by state and local taxpayers, another $3.0 bankrolled through "cost-shifting" i.e., higher payments by insured patients to cover hospital uncompensated care losses, and roughly $1.5 billion in physician charity care. In addition to these amounts, unauthorized immigrants likely benefit from at least $0.9 billion in implicit federal subsidies due to the tax exemption for nonprofit hospitals and another $5.7 billion in tax expenditures from the employer tax exclusion.
All told, Americans cross-subsidize health care for unauthorized immigrants to the tune of $18.5 billion a year . Of this total, federal taxpayers provided $11.2 billion in subsidized care to unauthorized immigrants in 2016
Illegal immigrants (mexicans) are a fiscal drain not because they are lazy and don’t work, but because people at that level of education have larger families on average and use a lot in social services and pay little in taxes.
And it's not just undocumented immigrants, legal immigrant households recieve benefits (mainly food and medicaid) at almost twice the rate of natives as well.
Fox and friends. Fake news.
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