Here is a perspective: CPS separates children from their parents for much less dangerous shit compared to taking a child across a border desert with limited supplies, surrounded by willing criminals, and/or gang members who are routinely smuggling drugs.
Jesus Christ, it would be considered child endangerment if any of us did that type of shit; the fact that anyone is against taking a child from an unfit parent baffles me.
Of course we don’t understand
As we’re not Suffering from the Mental disorder that afflicts Liberal Leftists.
Maybe if these crimmigrants didn’t try to break the law this would not be an issue
Honest question: If these "children" were allowed to continue their journey to wherever they had planned, do you believe that it would be better than the facility that is shown below? (LITERAL CAGES!)
The crinkling sound of all those space blankets would drive me nuts.
F*** you Melanie, you feckless piece of s***': Kathy Griffin goes on shocking tirade against First Lady and demands she stops her husband from separating immigrant families
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5855247/Kathy-Griffin-goes-shocking-tirade-against-Lady.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5855247/Kathy-Griffin-goes-shocking-tirade-against-Lady.html)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/18/04/4D5BCAC700000578-0-image-a-7_1529291361729.jpg)
Why aren't the children sent back with the parents? What are they going to do with them here?
We always seem to forget about what's "right" when a democrat is in power:
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Trump is playing a very dangerous game of chicken near the 2018 elections to attempt to get funding for the border wall. Can't blame the Democrats for this.....all he has to do is place a call to DHS as its an administrative issue
And say what exactly? Specifically, when someone enters illegally and is not legitimately seeking asylum, what should we do?
Elian was kidnapped by his mother after a divorce and his father wanted him back. That was more of a custody case than anything to do with immigration
Trump is playing a very dangerous game of chicken near the 2018 elections to attempt to get funding for the border wall. Can't blame the Democrats for this.....all he has to do is place a call to DHS as its an administrative issue
For anyone interested in the facts. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policyI see no reason to change the current policy based on things like this.
Just another losing position for the Democrats.
Yeah it gave the celebrities and all the screeching nut cases out there a chance to virtue signal on social media but at the end of the day, the vast majority of Americans want a border that means something. Obama even gave speeches about the need for border security a few short years ago.
Just more ammunition foolishly given to Trump for 2020. As usual he is masterfully playing the long game and setting up his opposition to get exposed and embarrassed in front of the entire world.
I see no reason to change the current policy based on things like this.
Where are Trumps advisors right now? This is the perfect time to give a short speech, with a pre speech "build-up" like he's coming to the table ( ::)) on this "crisis". And then completely ignore the topic and issue an EO making average americans lives easier. Not hard to do. Being a showman, telling the left and media to get fucked - this is Trumps brand, as simple as it may sound. Seize on the moment!
Anyway, Trump is doing a decent job holding firm on this while the chimichangas we share a border with get away unscathed with blame. Mexico could do so much more right now.
tl:dr Trump is on the defensive despite this being a losing issue/crocodile tears for dems. Be offensive! :'(
He is giving a rally in Duluth, Minnesota tomorrow evening.
I would imagine something will be said there and he usually let's loose for those types of events.
Sorry Poly , but this "separate kids from parents" at the border policy is NOT going to end well for team Trump.
I'm pretty fair minded and can tell when a policy or statement is going to be a loser.
Obviously, you guys can post and think what you will.
I think this one is inhumane and viewed as cruel.
I also heard her give the presser yesterday, since she's sec of DHS.
She sounded like a dettached, cold political figure.
Trump supporters can yell and scream about the "truth" on this zero tolerance policy at the border .
BUT, it's cruel and hateful to separate parents from their kids at the border.
The reality of what happens to the kids in these situations is beyond politics.
We can debate BOTH sides of many political issues.
Team Trump is on the wrong side of this this issue.
Plenty of female Trump supporters are horrified by this action.
It's officially classified as a misdemeanor .
So, that's a ridiculous analogy.
The current action at the border is cruel and hateful.
The public outcry will grow and more kids get taken from parents.
Kids are suffering . THAT's the bigger issue.
It's wrong to use kids as leverage to make some political point on immigration.
With all due respect, your side is missing the bigger issue here.
*Children ( some quite young) are being separated from parents at the boarder .
Most people find that cruel and hateful action. The audio tapes of cryng kids, is very upsetting for most people.
This goes way beyond policy or some estoric immigration law.
The bottom line, is, kids are suffering and the President could order it stopped. But he doesn't.
Kids are suffering . THAT's the bigger issue.
Sorry Poly , but this "separate kids from parents" at the border policy is NOT going to end well for team Trump.
I'm pretty fair minded and can tell when a policy or statement is going to be a loser.
Obviously, you guys can post and think what you will.
I think this one is inhumane and viewed as cruel.
Since your side can't defend the current family separation policy you need to bring in other issues to muddy the waters.
Plus, resorting to personal insults is further proof on how weak your side of the debate really is.
Hope this helps. ;)
I don't agree with abortion after 16 weeks.
In fact, I think late terms abortions are wrong.
I don't agree with abortion after 16 weeks.
In fact, I think late terms abortions are wrong.
I never said I agreed with 100% of every policy or position of anyone I vote for.
I do agree with the dems on basic abortion rights however. I'd limit it to 16 weeks.
I refused to vote for Trump because I thought he lacked the temperament and experience to be President.
Plus, I had doubts on his character and ability to work well with congress. I still do.
WTF's going on here? Russia and Stormy didn't workout, so now it's all about separating illegal parents from their kids?
Yep, pretty gross thought process. "I will support mass murder as long as I agree with them on some other issues".
So you agree that late term abortion is murder, and yet you voted for politicians ( Hillary and obama) who dont, that makes you one disgusting pile of garbage, who's selective and recent outage on this subject completely worthless.
Wish people cared as much about our own foster care system destroying children as they do about this stuff.
It's officially classified as a misdemeanor .
So, that's a ridiculous analogy.
The current action at the border is cruel and hateful.
The public outcry will grow and more kids get taken from parents.
Kids are suffering . THAT's the bigger issue.
It's wrong to use kids as leverage to make some political point on immigration.
DemoCraps hate their own country and fight for foreigners...
Government officials familiar with early drafts of the executive order also told NBC News it would allow families to be detained together but would not stop the "zero tolerance" policy of charging people with a misdemeanor for entering illegally.
Several administration officials say the executive order would allow families to be held in immigration detention together. That will run up against a longstanding federal court decree that prohibits the government from holding children in detention for long periods — generally around 20 days.
THIS issue goes beyond mere politics .
I was one of the few Hillary voters that often posted about seeing the energy with team Trump before the 2016 election.
That's because I live in a very conservative area and saw firsthand , what was going on.
Many Trump supporters have a blind spot when it comes to the perceived cruelty many feel on the child separation issue.
I was watching Lou Dobbs last night, and he had a David Rollins on , giving his take.
Rollins agreed with Trump and said people should not get emotional and have outrage over a "policy issue."*
* THAT's the real problem and shows a completly tone deaf attitude on how something people feel strongly about.
Ann Coulter was also on Lou Dobbs and gave her cruel, crass rhetoric on this latest separation issue.
She claimed it's some form of act to promote open borders .
I saw a few female journalists in tears on the air over this issue.
Pres Trump has changed course, but, this won't be forgotten.
Dear Yamcha,
I try to stay above petty insults but your heartless posts are beyond the line of common decency.
You are a disgusting, immature man .
Well.. an EO was signed. Don't know if it will calm the storm though.
Dear Yamcha,
I try to stay above petty insults but your heartless posts are beyond the line of common decency.
You are a disgusting, immature man .
Dear Howard,Right? Howards threads seem to lose posts randomly that Howard doesn't like.
I am afraid to post anything in threads in which you are active due to random post disappearing or being altered.
OBAMA KEPT THEM IN CAGES, WRAPPED THEM IN FOIL
HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF OBAMA’S ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DETENTION FACILITIES THE MEDIA WON’T SHOW YOU:
Here they are, taken in 2014 during a media tour of Obama-era detention facilities in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, Arizona.:
then it even harder to explain the chickening out
I dont know
normally an egg has to be broken to make an onlette but seems the chicken ran
Over 100 arrested in another large-scale immigration raid
By: JOHN SEEWER, Associated Press
POSTED: JUN 20 2018 11:06AM EDT
TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) - More than 100 workers were arrested Tuesday at an Ohio meatpacking plant by federal agents following a yearlong immigration investigation, the second large-scale raid within the state in the past two weeks.
The investigation focused on whether the company knowingly hired people who are in the country illegally, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said.
The agency said it also was looking into whether many of the workers were using fraudulent identification belonging to U.S. citizens.
The arrests come as the U.S. government steps up its focus on businesses that hire people in the country illegally as part of a broad range of immigration crackdowns under President Donald Trump.
The 146 arrests in one of the largest workplace immigration raids in recent years happened at Fresh Mark's meat processing plant in Salem, in northeastern Ohio. Immigration agents and local authorities also carried out search warrants at the company's three other locations in Canton and Massillon.
Most of the workers detained were from Guatemala, said Khaalid Walls, an agency spokesman.
A message seeking comment was left with the company Wednesday.
No criminal charges have been filed against Fresh Mark, but authorities say the investigation is continuing.
The company makes bacon, hot dogs, ham, and lunch meat for the Sugardale and Superior's brands.
Fresh Mark is a member of Immigration and Customs Enforcement's self-policing program that's described as a way for employers to verify workers are in the country legally and to spot fraudulent documents, the agency said.
Members of the program aren't immune from prosecution for workforce compliance violations, the agency added.
"Unlawful employment is one of the key magnets drawing illegal aliens across our borders," said Steve Francis, head of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations unit in Detroit.
Two weeks ago, immigration agents arrested 114 people at a garden and landscaping company in northern Ohio. Authorities said they planned to charge workers for crimes including identity theft and tax evasion.
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/another-large-scale-immigration-raid
For those opposed to separating families at the border, this issue goes beyond politics.
The outrage is genuine and due to us feeling that it's a cruel act directed at children.
For a lot of us, this was just too much and we spoke out with passion.
If you have a different view, fine. But laughing at people suffering is just plain wrong and met with DISGUST.
For those opposed to separating families at the border, this issue goes beyond politics.
The outrage is genuine and due to us feeling that it's a cruel act directed at children.
For a lot of us, this was just too much and we spoke out with passion.
If you have a different view, fine. But laughing at people suffering is just plain wrong and met with DISGUST.
This was a new "zero tolerance" policy instituted by the Trump admin this spring.
Immigration , especially on the southern border has been a long time problem.
Separating kids from parents as an enforced policy is new .
Yamcha, that is a legitimate question currently being debated with related issues in congress.
The problem many have is a flip attitude that comes off as careless .
Making jokes and belittling those struggling to make a life is viewed as cruel by me (and many others).
When it involves parents with young children, the outrage multiplies by 1000.
FYI, at that point we stop listening and get filled with disgust and outrage.
You seem like a smart guy, capable of intelligent debate on a variety of issues.
Yes, you've displayed some clever humor with your political cartoons.
I'd simply urge you to remember that some topics are too serious to make jokes about.
Separating kids from parents is one such topic.
If you can understand that the outrage is genuine and curtail the jokes, we can debate. I'd enjoy that.
However, if you doube down on making more jokes on this issue, I'll be forced to assume the worst about you.
AGAIN, feel free to have a different view on this and other issues.
Saying we need secure borders is one thing.
Making fun of those trying to cross with their children is never funny.
Since this is only a forum, we'll both go on , but it would be nice to interact with you.
Thanks for understanding I'm sincere and reaching out .
I wasn't asking this question to you fuckface. Go get another divorce and continue to drown in a life full of failure.
This was a new "zero tolerance" policy instituted by the Trump admin this spring.
Immigration , especially on the southern border has been a long time problem.
Separating kids from parents as an enforced policy is new .
Nope you are wrong as usual, it is a 21 year old policy. Again you have been victimized by Fake News...
This was a new "zero tolerance" policy instituted by the Trump admin this spring.
Immigration , especially on the southern border has been a long time problem.
Separating kids from parents as an enforced policy is new .
Nope you are wrong as usual, it is a 21 year old policy. Again you have been victimized by Fake News...
This was a new "zero tolerance" policy instituted by the Trump admin this spring.
Immigration , especially on the southern border has been a long time problem.
Separating kids from parents as an enforced policy is new .
Howard you are a hypocritical fat piece of shit!
Howard also loves to murder babies on top of all the rest of the fake/hypocritical outrage.
This whole thing is another classic example of a bunch of people being so dumb that they immediately believe news sources that have been shown to be liars, twisters, etc. Even worse that they refuse to turn course in their destructive thinking/actions when given full proof that they have been lied to.
Are you talking about the EU?
Howard you hypocritical fat piece of shit, these photos below were from 2014 (Obama was in Office) and the same thing was taking place: kids separated from adults:
OBAMA KEPT CHILDREN IN CAGES, WRAPPED THEM IN FOIL
HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF OBAMA’S ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DETENTION FACILITIES THE MEDIA WON’T SHOW YOU:
Here they are, taken in 2014 during a media tour of Obama-era detention facilities in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, Arizona.:
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilitiesHoward you are a hypocritical fat piece of shit!
WTF's going on here? Russia and Stormy didn't workout, so now it's all about separating illegal parents from their kids?
Your comments are really lame.I guess "lame" comments can also be accurate ones.
WTF's going on here? Russia and Stormy didn't workout, so now it's all about separating illegal parents from their kids?This. It's pathetic. If dems worked as hard for the people as they did trying to screw Trump, they might get shit done.
I guess "lame" comments can also be accurate ones.
I guess. So, you really think we've heard the last of Ms. Daniels and the Russian thing?
I guess. So, you really think we've heard the last of Ms. Daniels and the Russian thing?No, they have to go back to that again in their neverending quest/circle of unending nothingness. His point was essentially that they get worked up about nothing (and try to get the nation worked up) each week and move from subject to subject in the hopes of something sticking.
It would be good if the whore just went back to whoring - Really is anyone remotely interested
Or bothered by what went on.
As for the Russia thing is it of any significance to the degree it’s played out by some.
This was a new "zero tolerance" policy instituted by the Trump admin this spring.
Immigration , especially on the southern border has been a long time problem.
Separating kids from parents as an enforced policy is new .
Zero tolerance on a law that’s been on the books for years. He wants the law enforced
Which law would this be? There are policies and there are laws. These are not the same thing.
"Was the ‘Law to Separate Families’ Passed in 1997 or ‘by Democrats’?
There is no federal law mandating children and parents be separated at the border; a policy resulting in that outcome was enacted in May 2018."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/)
Which law would this be? There are policies and there are laws. These are not the same thing.
"Was the ‘Law to Separate Families’ Passed in 1997 or ‘by Democrats’?
There is no federal law mandating children and parents be separated at the border; a policy resulting in that outcome was enacted in May 2018."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/)
why did Mr Trump copy Mr Obama?Copy or was it only brought to mainstream attention to get the publics focus off the fucked up FBI?
why did Mr Trump copy Mr Obama?
Maybe just maybe he thought as obama it was a good policy to keep in place.I would imagine that dems would be protesting outside of many courthouses over all the families being torn apart by the evil police and their enforcement of some bullshit laws. ::)
I would imagine that dems would be protesting outside of many courthouses over all the families being torn apart by the evil police and their enforcement of some bullshit laws. ::)
why did Mr Trump copy Mr Obama?
Obviously the current Trump doctrine is that if Obama did it it must be bad
I don't think this work out well for Guatemala