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Pit Bulls have been in the Unites States since the Mid 1800's. Why was there no hysteria about them back in 1890?
Colbys Twister 1903
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Colby%27s_Twister_won_for_Colby_on_November_19%2C_1906%2C_when_he_defeated_Parson%27s_Jim_Big_Boy_in_42_min._at_Boxford%2C_Mass.jpg)
John Colby is the first breeder to sell Pitbulls to the general public. The blood of Colby dogs is in almost every pure breed Pitbull today.
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coolest dogs ever
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Colby's Pincher and Tige 1896
(http://pic.pedigreedatabase.com/gallerypictures/151990.jpg)
JORGENSEN'S ROSE 1912
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/15/a2/5115a23452c037a2e938c554a965357a.jpg)
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Coby's Tige 1896
(https://www.petforums.co.uk/attachments/copbystige-jpg.308607/)
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1901
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sjVW_DdcJ4s/Te7fUSGWgTI/AAAAAAAAAMY/IXtfVC_fYc8/s1600/little+girl+and+pit+bull.jpg)
Colby's Billy with his son 1900
(http://rayfox6.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/colbysbilly.jpg.w300h238.jpg)
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Colby's Major 1896
(http://pic.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/2445334-685745.jpg)
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1920
(http://rayfox6.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/2013svintagepitbull.jpg)
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Cool pics keep them coming.
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8) "Pete was an American Pit Bull Terrier and was registered with the American Kennel Club as a Staffordshire Terrier."
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Beautiful pups, post more!
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Olive agrees...
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As does my dearly departed Luna. (AKA Dubs)... (Wittle Wuna).
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Webster's Joker 1914
(http://pic.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1559620.jpg)
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Armitage’s Kager 1914
(http://www.gamedogshistory.com/wp-content/uploads/PitDogs_august_19531.jpg)
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so bread to be agressive and fight to the death? mmmmm
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so bread to be agressive and fight to the death? mmmmm
(https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2016/3-22/fPazBTMsDF-10.png)
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8) "Pete was an American Pit Bull Terrier and was registered with the American Kennel Club as a Staffordshire Terrier."
Kid is missing a finger. I wonder....
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(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25000000/Pitbull-wallpaper-pitbull-rapper-25094094-1024-768.jpg)
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Google “nanny dogs”
Something has changed
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There was also a Colby testing/ breeding/selling bulldogs in the Sacrament area early 1900's.
Worst thing that happened to the breed was becoming popular, especially among the degenerate segments of society.
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Charlie Lloyd with champion Pilot 1878. Pilot was imported from Walsall England to America. Cockney Charlie had been importing dogs from England to America since as early as 1854.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Charlie_Lloyd_with_our_dog_%22Pilot%22_-_Pit_Bull%28APBT%29.jpg)
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Charlie Lloyd with champion Pilot 1878. Pilot was imported from Walsall England to America.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Charlie_Lloyd_with_our_dog_%22Pilot%22_-_Pit_Bull%28APBT%29.jpg)
English Staffordshire Terrier?
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English Staffordshire Terrier?
Yes. All American Pitbull Terriers are direct descendants of the English Staffordshire Bull Terriers. This is how they came to be. When Pilot lands on America's shore he became an American Pit Bull Terrier and all his offspring are American Pit Bull Terriers.
All of John Colby's dogs are based off of Staffordshire Bull Terriers that were Imported from Ireland and the Irish dogs were just imported from Staffordshire England.
Colby's Galtie was imported from Ireland
(http://dogs-world-pedigrees.com/pitbull/pics/medium/2255/med_55bacd49f1ce1.jpg)
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typical violent immigrants
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Bull and bear baiting were popular in England up until 1835 when they were outlawed. A Bill for the suppression of the practice was introduced in 1802, but was defeated due to it's popularity.
After 1835, dog fighting became more popular in England leading to the development of the English Bull terrier and the Staffordshire Bull terrier, which at one time were the same breed, but over time developed into separate breeds.
Charlie Lloyd's champion Pilot was one of these Staffordshire Bull terriers that was brought over from England to become the American Pitbull terrier. Many other immigrants from Ireland and England brought their Stafforshire Bull terriers as well.
Bull and Bear Baiting arenas shown on the "woodcut" map of London of c.1561 (the dogs are shown coming out of pens to each side),
Note the old English spelling of bull and bear baiting in this carving - "bolle bayting" and "beare bayting".
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Bull_and_Bear_Baiting_arenas_shown_on_the_Agas_Map_of_London_of_1560.JPG/440px-Bull_and_Bear_Baiting_arenas_shown_on_the_Agas_Map_of_London_of_1560.JPG)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-baiting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-baiting)
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There was also a Colby testing/ breeding/selling bulldogs in the Sacrament area early 1900's.
Worst thing that happened to the breed was becoming popular, especially among the degenerate segments of society.
It's not just who owns the dog, but more importantly, who is selecting what dogs get bred and what dogs don't get bred.
Bob Wallace was one of the great Pitbull breeders of the 1950's. To this day any dog with his name in the pedigree if coveted. When he died he had all his dogs put to sleep because he said he didn't want the Pepsi generation ruining his dogs.
In addition, many of Bob Wallace's dogs were the foundation of the AKC American Staffordshire Terrier.
Many of the Pitbulls today are just garbage. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. If you select good dogs to breed you get good pups. If have an idiot selecting sh#t dogs you will get garbage we have today.
Burt Clouse and Bob Wallace, two famous breeders
(http://www.bryantsreddevils.com/Ancestors/BertClouseBobWallace.jpg)
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shakespeare would mention bear baitng back in his day
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I met and talked with Stratton a few times at the shows in S. California, He knew Wallace and lots of the old time legends.
I still kick myself because I was once at a dogmans house in Ramona looking at a litter of Tater/Faith pups (Patrick), I put down a deposit and later changed my mind and bought a grandson of 'Going Light Barney' that turned out to be a dud. Many of the Tater/Faith pups turned into winners. Larry McCaw who owned Barney also lived in Ramona although I never met him.
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(https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2016/3-22/fPazBTMsDF-10.png)
lol >:(
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Hooten's Butcher Boy 1967
(http://pic.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1369883-62779.jpg)
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Tudor's Black Demon
(http://www.sporting-dog-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/man1.jpg)
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Hooten's Butcher Boy 1967
(http://pic.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1369883-62779.jpg)
Tragic how that all went down....
Norm Hooten committed suicide after getting busted and refusing to rat out his friends...
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Question for Palumboism and Oldgolds: Do you support dog fighting?
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I'm a dog lover, all dogs....
But.....
Most people believe the nonsense about dog fighting from humane society etc....It truly is nonsense...
They believe it's alright to lie if it helps their cause, I believe lying is wrong, period.
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I'm a dog lover, all dogs....
But.....
Most people believe the nonsense about dog fighting from humane society etc....It truly is nonsense...
They believe it's alright to lie if it helps their cause, I believe lying is wrong, period.
Okay, in keeping with the notion that lying is always wrong, could you answer the first question: Do you support dog fighting? Then please explain what it is about the Humane Society's stance on dog fighting that you regard as 'nonsense'.
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Back in the day, dogs were treated like the beasts they are. Today dogs have better life than humans. Its the way of the devil.
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As does my dearly departed Luna. (AKA Dubs)... (Wittle Wuna).
Beautiful dog dude, sorry for your loss.
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Back in the day, dogs were treated like the beasts they are. Today dogs have better life than humans. Its the way of the devil.
if a humans life is worse than a dog, that's their own fault
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Question for Palumboism and Oldgolds: Do you support dog fighting?
I've never been to a dog fight and don't have any desire to go to one. I'm not into fighting of any kind like boxing, ultimate fighting, karate. None of it interests me. However, I don't have any problem with dog fighting and I like most Pit Bulls.
My neighbor has a Labrador he takes duck hunting. when he comes home the dog has a duck in it's mouth. The same instinct that lab has to retrieve a ducks is the same instinct a Pit Bull has to fight. Yet nobody faults the Lab for holding a dead duck in it's mouth.
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In MMA a fighter gets cuts, bruises etc.This is what they choose to do, should we outlaw MMA?
If a dog is not forced to fight and can quit at any time and you watch him closely and not allow him to get seriously injured is it immoral?
These dogs are silent and wag their tail as they scrap...They actually enjoy it.....Miniature Mike Tysons...You tell me....
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I've never been to a dog fight and don't have any desire to go to one. I'm not into fighting of any kind like boxing, ultimate fighting, karate. None of it interests me. However, I don't have any problem with dog fighting and I like most Pit Bulls.
My neighbor has a Labrador he takes duck hunting. when he comes home the dog has a duck in it's mouth. The same instinct that lab has to retrieve a ducks is the same instinct a Pit Bull has to fight. Yet nobody faults the Lab for holding a dead duck in it's mouth.
ever think the dog views the duck as food?
no problem with dog fighting? the dog fights because if it doesn't it will be beaten and killed, michael vick would torture dogs that didn't want to fight, saying every pit bull has the instinct to fight is like saying every man wants to be a cage fighter when you know most men would crap their pants if forced in the cage
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Strong logic, you pieces of shit. Prostitution (when it's not coerced) and steroid usage are activities that supporters most often defend as individual freedoms which deserve to be recognised as specifically self-regarding acts. (*These were the three examples you gave before deleting them, Palumboism.) One might argue that criminalising these acts on the basis of various prejudices, utilitarian appeals to social morality, or religious passages is an unjustifiable abridgement of individual liberty. Attempting to subsume dog fighting into this category, however, demonstrates not only your incredible stupidity, but your utter depravity too. Subjecting sentient, intelligent animals to abuse and torture in the name of entertainment is about as justifiable as child abuse, and it's no coincidence that those who participate in that attempt to justify it by appealing to consent as well. So, Oldgolds, you can take your ridiculous comparison to MMA and your claims of them 'enjoying' being torn apart, and shove it up your decrepit old ass, you fucking spastic. I refuse to even post on the same forum as you.
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In MMA a fighter gets cuts, bruises etc.This is what they choose to do, should we outlaw MMA?
If a dog is not forced to fight and can quit at any time and you watch him closely and not allow him to get seriously injured is it immoral?
These dogs are silent and wag their tail as they scrap...They actually enjoy it.....Miniature Mike Tysons...You tell me....
You're an idiot or maybe retarded
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if a humans life is worse than a dog, that's their own fault
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I meant as , dogs appear to be more praised than people. For instance, in my country, a restaurant can reject a stinking person, but a stinking dog HAS the right to stay INSIDE the restaurant. Regardless of what kind of life a person has, humans > beasts.
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So much ignorance on here....You people simply no nothing of which you speak......
Read some of the Stratton books and educate yourselves....
Stop simply accepting the nonsense you read from the Humane society and main stream media....
Get some knowledge....
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Strong logic, you pieces of shit. Prostitution (when it's not coerced) and steroid usage are activities that supporters most often defend as individual freedoms which deserve to be recognised as specifically self-regarding acts. (*These were the three examples you gave before deleting them, Palumboism.)
It's been a long week for me. I don't even remember deleting these.
I think I deleted them because I didn't have the time to explain that I wasn't saying they were the same I was simply saying they were three things I personally don't believe should be illegal. Additionally, they are three things I personally have never done nor want to do in the future, but I want others to have the liberty to do them if they so choose. For example, even though I have no desire to fight a Pit Bull, I have no problem with Oldgolds fighting his dog if he so chooses. The same for prostitution and steroids. I don't want a nanny state government.
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ever think the dog views the duck as food?
no problem with dog fighting? the dog fights because if it doesn't it will be beaten and killed, michael vick would torture dogs that didn't want to fight, saying every pit bull has the instinct to fight is like saying every man wants to be a cage fighter when you know most men would crap their pants if forced in the cage
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Nobody would fight a Pit Bull that doesn't want to fight. It's called a gameness contest for a reason. The height of the pit is only two feet high, so if a dog doesn't want to fight it simply jumps out of the pit and looses the fight. Or it makes a turn, which is when one of the dogs turns his head and shoulders away from his opponent. If a turn is called, the dogs are separated and sent to their corners. The dog that the turn was called on has less than thirty seconds to cross to the middle of the pit towards the opposing dog or it looses the fight. So, the object of the fight is to allow the dog as many opportunities to stop fighting if it so chooses.
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I meant as , dogs appear to be more praised than people. For instance, in my country, a restaurant can reject a stinking person, but a stinking dog HAS the right to stay INSIDE the restaurant. Regardless of what kind of life a person has, humans > beasts.
the person knows it should shower, the dog doesn't
no excuse for a human to stink
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Nobody would fight a Pit Bull that doesn't want to fight. It's called a gameness contest for a reason. The height of the pit is only two feet high, so if a dog doesn't want to fight it simply jumps out of the pit and looses the fight. Or it makes a turn, which is when one of the dogs turns his head and shoulders away from his opponent. If a turn is called, the dogs are separated and sent to their corners. The dog that the turn was called on has less than thirty seconds to cross to the middle of the pit towards the opposing dog or it looses the fight. So, the object of the fight is to allow the dog as many opportunities to stop fighting if it so chooses.
not michael vick
he would drown or electrocute dogs that didn't want to fight, and he used small dogs like beagles as "sparring partners" for his fighting dogs
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Next on the agenda, cock-fighting. "Is a dead game cock the winner's dinner, or the loser's flaccid reminder of failure?"
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As game and clean bred a little bitch as any man owns.
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As game and clean bred a little bitch as any man owns.
got to love ancient marketing ;D
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not michael vick
he would drown or electrocute dogs that didn't want to fight, and he used small dogs like beagles as "sparring partners" for his fighting dogs
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Well, Michael Vick was a complete degenerate and should have received the same treatment he gave his dogs....There is no excuse for mistreating a dog.
I have never fought a dog but think that if 2 pits who are trained and wanting to fight and if the handlers are next to them not allowing them to get seriously injured I might allow a scrap. I don't condone these dumbass, streetcorner ghetto types fighting dogs with no concern for the dogs wellbeing. The oldtime 'conventions were regulated and attracted a better class of people. Then the breed was 'discovered' by the lowest types in our society and chaos ensued.
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Pit Bulls have been in the Unites States since the Mid 1800's. Why was there no hysteria about them back in 1890?
Colbys Twister 1903
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Colby%27s_Twister_won_for_Colby_on_November_19%2C_1906%2C_when_he_defeated_Parson%27s_Jim_Big_Boy_in_42_min._at_Boxford%2C_Mass.jpg)
John Colby is the first breeder to sell Pitbulls to the general public. The blood of Colby dogs is in almost every pure breed Pitbull today.
If you are serious, I will offer a possibility. The lack of social media, internet, etc. What happened back in the day, was limited to local news
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Nobody would fight a Pit Bull that doesn't want to fight. It's called a gameness contest for a reason. The height of the pit is only two feet high, so if a dog doesn't want to fight it simply jumps out of the pit and looses the fight. Or it makes a turn, which is when one of the dogs turns his head and shoulders away from his opponent. If a turn is called, the dogs are separated and sent to their corners. The dog that the turn was called on has less than thirty seconds to cross to the middle of the pit towards the opposing dog or it looses the fight. So, the object of the fight is to allow the dog as many opportunities to stop fighting if it so chooses.
Holy Shit you're ignorant.
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I've never been to a dog fight and don't have any desire to go to one. I'm not into fighting of any kind like boxing, ultimate fighting, karate. None of it interests me. However, I don't have any problem with dog fighting and I like most Pit Bulls.
My neighbor has a Labrador he takes duck hunting. when he comes home the dog has a duck in it's mouth. The same instinct that lab has to retrieve a ducks is the same instinct a Pit Bull has to fight. Yet nobody faults the Lab for holding a dead duck in it's mouth.
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Well, Michael Vick was a complete degenerate and should have received the same treatment he gave his dogs....There is no excuse for mistreating a dog.
I have never fought a dog but think that if 2 pits who are trained and wanting to fight and if the handlers are next to them not allowing them to get seriously injured I might allow a scrap. I don't condone these dumbass, streetcorner ghetto types fighting dogs with no concern for the dogs wellbeing. The oldtime 'conventions were regulated and attracted a better class of people. Then the breed was 'discovered' by the lowest types in our society and chaos ensued.
And then you have this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_Fighting_Dog (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_Fighting_Dog)
Don't kid yourself on the old types being a better class of people. Even in the UK where they had bear baiting and dog fights, it was known to be popular among the degenerates and low classes.
And even Jack London's "White Fang" published in 1906 had a dog fighter by the name of Beauty Smith, who was portrayed as mean and of low class.
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Lol....Never heard of that breed...I'm talking about the pit bull in the US and the organized dog fighting game from about 1900 to present
The dogs are in a small pit grappling, with each handler and a referee standing next to them. If a dog "turns" (tries to quit), the match is stopped. If the handler thinks his dog is taking too much punishment he can stop the fight.
And these dogs are NOT trained to fight by using beagles or cats or any other type of dog because other breeds are a complete mismatch.
Those are lies spread by humane society types.
Would Mike Tyson spar with a some guy from the street corner...It's laughable...
I'm not saying I condone all of this but the lies bother me.
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Mr 'I Kant tell a lie':
I have never fought a dog
I was once at a dogmans house in Ramona looking at a litter of Tater/Faith pups (Patrick), I put down a deposit and later changed my mind and bought a grandson of 'Going Light Barney' that turned out to be a dud.
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And then you have this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_Fighting_Dog (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_Fighting_Dog)
The Dogo Argentino is directly derived from this breed and it's appearance alone shows much of it's DNA comes from the American Pit Bull Terrier.
Mixing no other breed of dog with the Pit Bull produces a better fighting dog. In addition, no other breed of dog has been able to win against the Pit Bull. They have fought 150 pound Tosa's in Japan against 50 pound Pit Bulls. The results are always the same.
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why are you so fascinating with dogs fighting? how about dogs that save lives? how come you have no interest in that?
(https://usatunofficial.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/switzerland_saint_bernard_d.jpg?w=620&h=413)
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The Dogo Argentino is directly derived from this breed and it's appearance alone shows much of it's DNA comes from the American Pit Bull Terrier.
Mixing no other breed of dog with the Pit Bull produces a better fighting dog. In addition, no other breed of dog has been able to win against the Pit Bull. They have fought 150 pound Tosa's in Japan against 50 pound Pit Bulls. The results are always the same.
take a look at other dogs on that list (below in the Wikipedia link), and you will see that there is a certain phenotype that is adhered to.
From the Bully Kutta of India to the semi-feral Cimarron Uruguayo. And then there is the newer pocket pit bulls. Which look weird, due to the wide front and foreshortened snout, and they have breathing problems because of that.
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A Pit Bull fighting a beagle as a sparring partner is the dog equivalent of Kramer fighting children. It makes absolutely no sense.
(http://www.digitalstrips.com/wp-content/kramer_karate.jpg)
he used the beagles to teach his pit bulls to attack other dogs on sight, the beagle obviously wouldn't put up a fight so it was perfect to not risk injuring his potentially prize winning pit bull
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I have never fought a dog but think that if 2 pits who are trained and wanting to fight and if the handlers are next to them not allowing them to get seriously injured I might allow a scrap.
LOL are you serious?
the dogs fight to the death it's not some "scrap", that's all they know there is no fighting for recreation or fun like a human boxer or mma fighter
any dog owner that would allow this would not be concerned about them getting "seriously injured" the dogs in their eyes are just used for their own sadistic pleasure or for gambling
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LOL are you serious?
the dogs fight to the death it's not some "scrap", that's all they know there is no fighting for recreation or fun like a human boxer or mma fighter
any dog owner that would allow this would not be concerned about them getting "seriously injured" the dogs in their eyes are just used for their own sadistic pleasure or for gambling
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Honestly dude....You don't know what you are talking about...
Read some books, get some true facts.
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Strong logic, you pieces of shit. Prostitution (when it's not coerced) and steroid usage are activities that supporters most often defend as individual freedoms which deserve to be recognised as specifically self-regarding acts. (*These were the three examples you gave before deleting them, Palumboism.) One might argue that criminalising these acts on the basis of various prejudices, utilitarian appeals to social morality, or religious passages is an unjustifiable abridgement of individual liberty. Attempting to subsume dog fighting into this category, however, demonstrates not only your incredible stupidity, but your utter depravity too. Subjecting sentient, intelligent animals to abuse and torture in the name of entertainment is about as justifiable as child abuse, and it's no coincidence that those who participate in that attempt to justify it by appealing to consent as well. So, Oldgolds, you can take your ridiculous comparison to MMA and your claims of them 'enjoying' being torn apart, and shove it up your decrepit old ass, you fucking spastic. I refuse to even post on the same forum as you.
They're animals you idiot.
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They're animals you idiot.
So is your mum, you fat bastard. But I'm sure you'd sobbing all over your tits if I threw the bitch into a pit with another pig and made them both bite chunks out of each other.
Given that the last time we interacted on here, you attempted to argue against the benefits of spinal surgery while presenting two research papers which hilariously contradicted your own opinion ( http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=626384.msg8724076#msg8724076), it's safe to assume that you're not likely to be making any logical arguments in this instance, either. You've began by exclaiming that 'they're [dogs] animals'. Congratulations on managing such an astute observation. Are we to take it from this statement that you're making some Malebranchean claim that animals are mere non-sentient automata? That you believe human beings, despite being mammals which evolved like every other creature, are somehow distinct from all other species on Earth in that they alone have the capacity to experience pain and fear? Frankly, it wouldn't exactly be surprising if you are. If I managed to skewer myself on a stake of scientific ignorance in the manner that you did when previously discussing surgery, I'd be rather reluctant to engage with science again too. Perhaps you think it might be easier to concur with Palumboism: that the 'nanny state' (those damn communists!) has no business interfering with an individual's right to kill or inflict pain on an animal for their own entertainment, despite its capacity to suffer? You just go ahead and see if you can make a coherent argument based on rights or ethics without contradicting yourself in some manner, and I'll be here to remind you once more that you're literally one of the stupidest individuals on this forum.
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Honestly dude....You don't know what you are talking about...
Read some books, get some true facts.
i don't read fiction
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What about ratting? In my view this is much curler to animals. The poor rats are squealing in pain an want none of this.
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So is your mum, you fat bastard. But I'm sure you'd sobbing all over your tits if I threw the bitch into a pit with another pig and made them both bite chunks out of each other.
Given that the last time we interacted on here, you attempted to argue against the benefits of spinal surgery while presenting two research papers which hilariously contradicted your own opinion ( http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=626384.msg8724076#msg8724076), it's safe to assume that you're not likely to be making any logical arguments in this instance, either. You've began by exclaiming that 'they're [dogs] animals'. Congratulations on managing such an astute observation. Are we to take it from this statement that you're making some Malebranchean claim that animals are mere non-sentient automata? That you believe human beings, despite being mammals which evolved like every other creature, are somehow distinct from all other species on Earth in that they alone have the capacity to experience pain and fear? Frankly, it wouldn't exactly be surprising if you are. If I managed to skewer myself on a stake of scientific ignorance in the manner that you did when previously discussing surgery, I'd be rather reluctant to engage with science again too. Perhaps you think it might be easier to concur with Palumboism: that the 'nanny state' (those damn communists!) has no business interfering with an individual's right to kill or inflict pain on an animal for their own entertainment, despite its capacity to suffer? You just go ahead and see if you can make a coherent argument based on rights or ethics without contradicting yourself in some manner, and I'll be here to remind you once more that you're literally one of the stupidest individuals on this forum.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Lol at trying to prove an argument using the bible haha
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Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(http://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif)
It's hardly surprising that a man stupid enough to cite studies which destroy his own arguments would also attempt to hide behind vague religious passages rather than deal with any logic. Biblical injunctions are neither legally binding, nor are they ever consistently morally binding, given that you selectively choose which ones to follow. The fact therefore remains that dog fighting is illegal, and you do not live in a theocracy where laws are made by interpreting scripture or appealing to deities. Nonetheless, let's take a closer look at your pathetic excuse for an argument. Exactly what part of God's order that man shall have 'dominion' over animals do you think justifies torturing them for sport? If I have dominion over something - meaning control - is that licence to assert my control in any manner I choose regardless of whether or not that violates any religious or humanist concepts of compassion?
In order to address Palumboism's question too, let me be clear on what we are talking about. We are not debating the morality of killing animals as a matter of necessity in some cases, or the potential justifications for eating meat in modern industrial societies. We are talking about the specific act of subjecting animals to pain and death purely for entertainment. If you condone that, then not only do you potentially weaken any rights protecting you from similar treatment on the basis of your capacity to suffer, but you arbitrarily deny animals any moral status at all, purely as a matter of prejudice. It is quite amazing that the illogical nature of this line of reasoning was highlighted as far back as 1789, yet on Getbig we still find morons willing to make such vacuous appeals. Seeing as a significant portion of this forum are timid introverts masquerading as uncompromising strongman-types, it is likely that they would dismiss this topic in order to avoid being branded a 'liberal' or some other nonsensical, meaningless pejorative. You may then wish to study the issue from the perspective of the Christian right - where the conservative Republican Matthew Scully has wrote extensively on the subject of animal welfare in general. He's not somebody that I would usually turn to, but presuming you've managed to improve your critical reading skills since the last time you made yourself look like a colossal penis, you may just learn something.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/pro-life-pro-animal-matthew-scully/
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I'm wasting far too much time on here talking to legit retards. SF, Kahn, The Ugly, Grape and many others that I respect and have enjoyed chatting with - take care! I'm flushing myself.
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I'm wasting far too much time on here talking to legit retards. SF, Kahn, The Ugly, Grape and many others that I respect and have enjoyed chatting with - take care! I'm flushing myself.
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Quitter. You'll be back.
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I'm wasting far too much time on here talking to legit retards. SF, Kahn, The Ugly, Grape and many others that I respect and have enjoyed chatting with - take care! I'm flushing myself.
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Raw emotion and very little logic from people who know very little about what they are talking about.....
The dogs are not fought to the death. Usually a guy picks up his dog when the dog has lost or if a dog shows he wants to quit the referee stops the contest and the dog has to show he wants to continue. These dogs love to fight, they are not forced. Anyone who has been around competition bred pits knows this is true. So much ignorance from people who blindly accept information from the media or the humane society....Do you really want the truth or do you just want to believe the bullshit that's in your mind?
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It's hardly surprising that a man stupid enough to cite studies which destroy his own arguments would also attempt to hide behind vague religious passages rather than deal with any logic. Biblical injunctions are neither legally binding, nor are they ever consistently morally binding, given that you selectively choose which ones to follow. The fact therefore remains that dog fighting is illegal, and you do not live in a theocracy where laws are made by interpreting scripture or appealing to deities. Nonetheless, let's take a closer look at your pathetic excuse for an argument. Exactly what part of God's order that man shall have 'dominion' over animals do you think justifies torturing them for sport? If I have dominion over something - meaning control - is that licence to assert my control in any manner I choose regardless of whether or not that violates any religious or humanist concepts of compassion?
In order to address Palumboism's question too, let me be clear on what we are talking about. We are not debating the morality of killing animals as a matter of necessity in some cases, or the potential justifications for eating meat in modern industrial societies. We are talking about the specific act of subjecting animals to pain and death purely for entertainment. If you condone that, then not only do you potentially weaken any rights protecting you from similar treatment on the basis of your capacity to suffer, but you arbitrarily deny animals any moral status at all, purely as a matter of prejudice. It is quite amazing that the illogical nature of this line of reasoning was highlighted as far back as 1789, yet on Getbig we still find morons willing to make such vacuous appeals. Seeing as a significant portion of this forum are timid introverts masquerading as uncompromising strongman-types, it is likely that they would dismiss this topic in order to avoid being branded a 'liberal' or some other nonsensical, meaningless pejorative. You may then wish to study the issue from the perspective of the Christian right - where the conservative Republican Matthew Scully has wrote extensively on the subject of animal welfare in general. He's not somebody that I would usually turn to, but presuming you've managed to improve your critical reading skills since the last time you made yourself look like a colossal penis, you may just learn something.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/10/pro-life-pro-animal-matthew-scully/
National Review is a conservative publication? Hardly. It's full of neo-cons, wannabe elitists, and other aspiring globalists like yourself who despise traditional American culture and values.
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so bread to be agressive and fight to the death? mmmmm
Bread???
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Staffordshire Bull Terriers 1920 England.
At the time, these dogs were know as the Bull and Terrier. The name Staffordshire Bull Terrier name was not adopted till 1935.
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The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the original Bull and Terrier, which was developed from a mix of the Old English Bull dog and the Old English Terrier.
The English Bull Terrier was developed by James Hinks in the 1850's from a mix of the English White Terrier (now extinct) and the Bull and Terrier. The Bull Terrier was recognized as a breed in 1862 by the English Kennel club. The Bull and Terrier was later recognized in 1935 as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
English Bull Terrier 1915
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Old English Bulldog
Crib and Rosa is an 1817 painting by Samuel Raven,
The painting depicts Crib and Rosa, two well known Old English Bulldogs. Rosa was considered to represent correct formation for bulldogs at that time. This painting provides an image of the extinct Old English Bulldog breed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crib_and_Rosa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crib_and_Rosa)
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Old Family Rednose
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Beautiful, athletic dog...The morons today who are breeding the 100 lb. blue pitbulls are completely clueless. The true pitbull/bulldog is usually in the 40 lb. range and athletically built, not the blocky muscular dogs that are popular. Many well bred (gamebred) pits are not even recognized as pitbulls by the public. Before a match they are put into a training regimen called a "keep" where they train like a boxer, often working up to 20 miles of roadwork....And yes, they enjoy it....
I had one pit I put in my garage and he would jump on his treadmill and start his roadwork by himself with a big grin on his face. Truly remarkable dogs but not for everyone. Many/most folks are too clueless and irresponsible to be trusted with a fighting breed like this. They shouldn't be left in a backyard because they are
escape artists". They should be chained or on a cable run.
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Great pictures. Timeless. Colby pits are the best. Thanks for this post.
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Beautiful, athletic dog...The morons today who are breeding the 100 lb. blue pitbulls are completely clueless. The true pitbull/bulldog is usually in the 40 lb. range and athletically built, not the blocky muscular dogs that are popular. Many well bred (gamebred) pits are not even recognized as pitbulls by the public. Before a match they are put into a training regimen called a "keep" where they train like a boxer, often working up to 20 miles of roadwork....And yes, they enjoy it....
I had one pit I put in my garage and he would jump on his treadmill and start his roadwork by himself with a big grin on his face. Truly remarkable dogs but not for everyone. Many/most folks are too clueless and irresponsible to be trusted with a fighting breed like this. They shouldn't be left in a backyard because they are
escape artists". They should be chained or on a cable run.
Excellent post!
My Youtube will sometime suggest videos of American Bullies. What a money making scam those fat out of shape dogs are. This breeder talks about how sick and out of shape his dog got at the age of 11.
This in NO WAY is an American Pit Bull Terrier.
The APBT is a fit and athletic breed.
Strider fully conditioned
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Jimmy Boots fully conditioned
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Don't kid yourself on the old types being a better class of people. Even in the UK where they had bear baiting and dog fights, it was known to be popular among the degenerates and low classes.
And even Jack London's "White Fang" published in 1906 had a dog fighter by the name of Beauty Smith, who was portrayed as mean and of low class.
This picture of John Colby says you're wrong.
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This Advertisement by Bob Wallace says you're wrong too.
Just introducing a couple of pure bred Old Family Reds that suite me.
Nothing to peddle.
Nothing at stud.
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Bob Wallace is second from the right on the top in this photo wearing the black suit. Maurice Carver, Earl Tudor, and Floyd Boudreaux are also in this picture.
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Floyd Boudreaux with Ox
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The morons today who are breeding the 100 lb. blue pitbulls are completely clueless.
them beefed up ones look super cool lol
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them beefed up ones look super cool lol
NO, Just NO. Those are abominations. They are the dog equivalent of Rich Piana (RIP).
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these dogs look completely bad ass imo
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this one, may b a little on the large side at 173 pounds, lol:
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NO, Just NO. Those are abominations. They are the dog equivalent of Rich Piana (RIP).
I understand where you're coming from, but they still look super epic, and every dog that I posted is drug free.
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This picture of John Colby says you're wrong.
(https://vitaminsforpitbulls.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/John-P-Colby.jpg)
This Advertisement by Bob Wallace says you're wrong too.
Just introducing a couple of pure bred Old Family Reds that suite me.
Nothing to peddle.
Nothing at stud.
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Bob Wallace is second from the right on the top in this photo wearing the black suit. Maurice Carver, Earl Tudor, and Floyd Boudreaux are also in this picture.
And Mayfield on the bottom. I think the guy standing far right is Sadler and on the far left Bobby Hall...could be wrong.
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Floyd Boudreaux with Ox
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It’s a shame that this wonderful hobby has come to be associated with the likes of Michael Vick and his ilk.
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Famous Dogmen - October 29, 1966
Backrow: Leo Kinard, Maurice Carver, Bert Clouse (in back) of Earl Tudor, Bob Hemphill in front of person at door, Bob Wallace, George Saddler.
Front Row: Floyd Boudreaux, Bobby Lewis, Don Maloney, Scotty Nelson
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I remember seeing a pic and reading about Wilrox White's Red Tyson
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I remember seeing a pic and reading about Wilrox White's Red Tyson
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Bob Hemphill and Bob Wallace are known for their Red Nosed APBT. Wilrox White's Red Tyson has both their names in his pedigree.
HEMPHILL'S GERONIMO
HEMPHILL'S RED DIXIE
WALLACE'S RED SQUAW
WALLACE'S RED ROCK
Wilrox White's Red Tyson
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=96711 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=96711)
Click on PR PRINDLE'S MAGGIE name in the far right of the pedigree.
Wallace's Red Rock, pictured below on the right is in Red Tyson's pedigree
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As well as Hemphill's Geronimo
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I live near Tucson...A few years ago the government/humane society raided Pat Patrick's yard of dogs, The dogs were healthy, happy, on chains. Some had scars but that's normal for pits. They confiscated over a hundred dogs and charged him with dog fighting. The case wound it's way through the courts and meanwhile the dogs were all killed/euthinized because the humans society/government claimed as fighting dogs, they were not adoptable...120 BEAUTIFUL DOGS WERE KILLED....Pat Patrick won his case and was exonerated.
THIS is how the humane society and government operate....If they see treadmills or scars they prosecute....
I guess they maintain that the dogs were better off dead than living their lives on chains in Patricks yard...This is pure bullshit...
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Some breeders are trying to bring back the Antebellum Bull Dog. They might want to change its name, you know with the association with words "antebellum" and "slavery".
http://www.easypetmd.com/doginfo/antebellum-bulldog (http://www.easypetmd.com/doginfo/antebellum-bulldog)
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This picture of John Colby says you're wrong.
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Most men at that time used to dress pretty classy even poor ones.. especially for a photo portrait.
But Colby was known among old-schoolers as a peddler.
Having a game pit is a huge responsibility, even a cur pitbull should NOT be available on the hands of the public.
Reason is that the oldschoolers knew the consequences, not only against other animals but time to time Manbiters pitbulls existed, no matter how you raised.
Gr.champion Zebo, Gr.ch Virgil, Gr.ch Angus were notorious man-biters.. and imagine these dogs on the hands of person with zero knowledge about pitbulls? let alone dogs?!! they'd even bite you if you didn't release them when they saw another dog/cat/person..
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Beautiful dog dude, sorry for your loss.
Thanks bud, she was sweet, died suddenly on Xmas morning, only 3 years old... sucks...
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Most men at that time used to dress pretty classy even poor ones.. especially for a photo portrait.
But Colby was known among old-schoolers as a peddler.
Having a game pit is a huge responsibility, even a cur pitbull should NOT be available on the hands of the public.
Reason is that the oldschoolers knew the consequences, not only against other animals but time to time Manbiters pitbulls existed, no matter how you raised.
Gr.champion Zebo, Gr.ch Virgil, Gr.ch Angus were notorious man-biters.. and imagine these dogs on the hands of person with zero knowledge about pitbulls? let alone dogs?!! they'd even bite you if you didn't release them when they saw another dog/cat/person..
And what wares was Colby selling?
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Raw emotion and very little logic from people who know very little about what they are talking about.....
The dogs are not fought to the death. Usually a guy picks up his dog when the dog has lost or if a dog shows he wants to quit the referee stops the contest and the dog has to show he wants to continue. These dogs love to fight, they are not forced. Anyone who has been around competition bred pits knows this is true. So much ignorance from people who blindly accept information from the media or the humane society....Do you really want the truth or do you just want to believe the bullshit that's in your mind?
And I will add to Oldgolds very knowledgeable post.. a lot of people are up in arms over bull fighting in some countries. The fact is, the bulls love to fight, and the bulls aren't harmed. They are lulled into a sense of well being by sword pokes and gently fall asleep. So much disinformation out there about Bull fights and dog fights, I'm glad Oldgolds and I had the opportunity to dispel the false info
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And I will add to Oldtimers very knowledgeable post.. a lot of people are up in arms over bull fighting in some countries. The fact is, the bulls love to fight, and the bulls aren't harmed. They are lulled into a sense of well being by sword pokes and gently fall asleep. So much disinformation out there about Bull fights and dog fights, I'm glad Oldtimer and I had the opportunity to dispel the false info
Oldtimer and oldgolds are two different people.
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Oldtimer and oldgolds are two different people.
good catch fixed it.
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good catch fixed it.
Oldtimer is a good fella, oldgolds on the other hand is suspect.
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Most men at that time used to dress pretty classy even poor ones.. especially for a photo portrait.
But Colby was known among old-schoolers as a peddler.
Having a game pit is a huge responsibility, even a cur pitbull should NOT be available on the hands of the public.
Reason is that the oldschoolers knew the consequences, not only against other animals but time to time Manbiters pitbulls existed, no matter how you raised.
Gr.champion Zebo, Gr.ch Virgil, Gr.ch Angus were notorious man-biters.. and imagine these dogs on the hands of person with zero knowledge about pitbulls? let alone dogs?!! they'd even bite you if you didn't release them when they saw another dog/cat/person..
Colby sold dogs to the general public, so they called him a peddler. Big deal. He, and his dogs were also very well respected. The solution to man biters is simple. Don't buy a dog bred from them.
Speaking in broad generalizations about Pit Bulls shows someone doesn't really understand the breed. The Pit bull isn't like an AKC pure breed dog where every dog of a particular breed looks and acts the same. Pit Bulls all look and act differently. You can tell this just by the variability of the breed.
I will agree having a game pit is a huge responsibility and having a Pit Bull in general requires a more responsible owner. As you know there real hazard with a Pit Bull is not that it will harm a person, but that it will harm another dog or animal. I think the real damage to the reputation of this breed came when the general public with a lack of understanding of the breed started buying them.
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Oldtimer is a good fella, oldgolds on the other hand is suspect.
I won't make that mistake again.
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Colby sold dogs to the general public, so they called him a peddler. Big deal. He, and his dogs were also very well respected. The solution to man biters is simple. Don't buy a dog bred from them.
Speaking in broad generalizations about Pit Bulls shows someone doesn't really understand the breed. The Pit bull isn't like an AKC pure breed dog where every dog of a particular breed looks and acts the same. Pit Bulls all look and act differently. You can tell this just by the variability of the breed.
I will agree having a game pit is a huge responsibility and having a Pit Bull in general requires a more responsible owner. As you know there real hazard with a Pit Bull is not that it will harm a person, but that it will harm another dog or animal. I think the real damage to the reputation of this breed came when the general public with a lack of understanding of the breed started buying them.
It was a very big deal..
A dog breed several hundreds of generations for fighting purpose shouldn't be sold just to make a buck.
I brought the man-biting aspect because the dangers of a pitbull who attacks people is much more than a regular dog.
Colby sold to the general public without lack of understanding and that created a big problem, not just for the owners/pitbull community/pets but the breed itself.
Even a Cur pitbull can create more danger than regular dog if handled improper.
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And the people in our society who have the most pitbulls are the lowest, most irresponsible among us.....Ghettos and barrios across America are full of pitbulls....
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And the people in our society who have the most pitbulls are the lowest, most irresponsible among us.....Ghettos and barrios across America are full of pitbulls....
Hmm, probably just like it was in the UK.
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Colby's Jerry 1900
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Colby's Galtie Imported from Ireland 1910
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Colby's Primo 1935
This was one of the foundation dogs for the AKC American Staffordshire Terrier. In addition, the conformation standard was based on this dog.
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Henzil's Hobo
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Earl Tudor with Blackjack 1920
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Maurice Carver and Wino
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Needham's Hannibal
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Jack Williams' Tim
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Joe Corvino's Denver Storm
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Jim Corcoran with Corcoran's "BIDDY"
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John Fonseca with Fonseca's "TINKER" 1932
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Earl Tudor's Crazy Joe 1916
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Earl Tudor with Dick 1915
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Henzil's Hobo
(http://www.villaliberty.org/pitbull1_archivos/image103.jpg)
I had a 1/2 Heinzl dog...He had a little Fonseca breeding also. Once I took a pilgrimage to the old, original dog yard of Howard Heinzl in Phoenix and then to Carvers old yard in San Antonio...This was way after they were dead. I think I found both.
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Similarities of how cockfighting is views in America and abroad as dog fighting is.
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Philippines
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Similarities of how cockfighting is views in America and abroad as dog fighting is.
Almost all the dog fighters in America and abroad also raise cocks. The two go hand in hand, but cock fighting is much more popular because they are cheaper to raise. That's the reason all the early APBT were small dogs. They require less feed to raise and the small dogs are preferred by some.
I find all the fear mongering about the APBT to be amusing. You're talking about a dog that doesn't get much over 60 pounds. It's common for a Rottweiler, Doberman, or German Shepard to weigh 90 pounds. The majority of APBT weigh less than 50 pounds. All this fear over a dog I can curl with one arm.
I'm not at all interested in cock fighting or dog fighting. I remember showing a Vietnamese friend who had been to many cock fights as a child a book about the APBT and he thought it was cruel to fight dogs but had no problem fighting chickens and actually like cock fighting.
All the countries that have cock fighting also have some dog fighting and use the American Pit Bull Terrier. The best Pit Bulls in America are fought down in Mexico where it's unrestricted.
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I had a 1/2 Heinzl dog...He had a little Fonseca breeding also. Once I took a pilgrimage to the old, original dog yard of Howard Heinzl in Phoenix and then to Carvers old yard in San Antonio...This was way after they were dead. I think I found both.
Maurice was a colorful character. His Grandfather brought dogs over from Ireland.
I would have like to have met Howard Heinzl
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Vert training...
https://instagram.com/p/BlMtRh6FjxZ/