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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Disco187 on September 26, 2018, 06:27:32 AM
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I heard on rx muscle that Chris b has a genetic kidney disease, something about protein’s clogging the filtering tubules. Curious to see if he will continue to compete with all the stress from depletion.
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Beavis and Bumhead...
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I heard on rx muscle that Chris b has a genetic kidney disease, something about protein’s clogging the filtering tubules. Curious to see if he will continue to compete with all the stress from depletion.
So the protein is responsible and not the drug abuse....got it!
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I heard on rx muscle that Chris b has a genetic kidney disease, something about protein’s clogging the filtering tubules. Curious to see if he will continue to compete with all the stress from depletion.
Most "pro's" have mental disorders so I think he will be juicing for years to come....without being "big" most of them get very insecure
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Between this and Pedro Barron’s recent interview (nearby thread), it boggles the mind how these guys attribute their failing organs to anything but the drugs. I’m sure the absolute havoc they put their kidneys through during contest prep, and the stacks and stacks of drugs/diuretics they take, have nothing to do with it. I guess the question is, why lie about it? Do they actually think they’re fooling anyone? It’s unfortunate on one hand, but in the other hand, if someone is truly that delusional and reckless, it serves them right. Industry is clearly full of guys with all kinds of mental issues.
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If he gets huger then his kidney tubes will increase in size, allowing free flow of protein.
It's all so easy to understand.
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Between this and Pedro Barron’s recent interview (nearby thread), it boggles the mind how these guys attribute their failing organs to anything but the drugs. I’m sure the absolute havoc they put their kidneys through during contest prep, and the stacks and stacks of drugs/diuretics they take, have nothing to do with it. I guess the question is, why lie about it? Do they actually think they’re fooling anyone? It’s unfortunate on one hand, but in the other hand, if someone is truly that delusional and reckless, it serves them right. Industry is clearly full of guys with all kinds of mental issues.
they do fool thousands of dumb fucks who are their fans....it's NEVER the drugs just a hereditary disorder.... sister is an IFBB pro (tranny) and her fiancé is IFBB pro so drugs is a family affair !!
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Is the stress on the kidneys related to anabolic or is it the mass protein consumption, diuretics , sodium, potassium and dehydration stress on kidneys.
Sounds like a novice question but how stressful to kidneys is a diet based on 1 gram of protein per pound and moderate to high testosterone usage plus a 2nd compound with 3-5 units of growth and a oral every late spring to early summer to tighten up ( stano var clen )
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So the protein is responsible and not the drug abuse....got it!
Obviously,drugs aren’t bad.
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Is the stress on the kidneys related to anabolic or is it the mass protein consumption, diuretics , sodium, potassium and dehydration stress on kidneys.
Sounds like a novice question but how stressful to kidneys is a diet based on 1 gram of protein per pound and moderate to high testosterone usage plus a 2nd compound with 3-5 units of growth and a oral every late spring to early summer to tighten up ( stano var clen )
HIGH PROTEIN DIETS DO NOT HARM ALREADY HEALTHY KIDNEYS!!!!! OLD FUCKING MYTH!!!!!!!!
https://www.thoughtco.com/is-a-high-protein-diet-damaging-to-kidneys-415212
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weird how many hereditary heart and kidney diseases there are in bodybuilding :P
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weird how many hereditary heart and kidney diseases there are in bodybuilding :P
Its the damn Advil...
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Nearly every pro..including the Barron interview...sites high blood pressure. I speak spanish and even Barrons entrevista en espanol said it wasnt the drugs..his blood pressure was like 240/160 or some crazy shit....then the diuretucs as well as heigthened kidney stress just from superhuman training(2-3 times more muscle is 2-3 times more waste products from training for kidney to filter)...and just the stress of being overweight..even if its not fat.....bottom line is plenty of 70s and 80s guys are just fine..its the excessive bodyweight...dehydration and high blood pressure....Why speculate about anabolics and protein intake(which has inconclusive studies) when EVERY study absolutely confirms that HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE and dehydration directly and permanently damages the kidneys....its not really that complicated.
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What mechanism did Bumstead use to determine that his kidney failure was genetic?
Just because one person in your family has X condition and you develop it, it doesn't automatically mean its genetic.
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Might there be a new drug they are using?
If I read correctly the ifbb is trying to reduce diuretics use. So perhaps some guys are switching to other chemicals?
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Nearly every pro..including the Barron interview...sites high blood pressure. I speak spanish and even Barrons entrevista en espanol said it wasnt the drugs..his blood pressure was like 240/160 or some crazy shit....then the diuretucs as well as heigthened kidney stress just from superhuman training(2-3 times more muscle is 2-3 times more waste products from training for kidney to filter)...and just the stress of being overweight..even if its not fat.....bottom line is plenty of 70s and 80s guys are just fine..its the excessive bodyweight...dehydration and high blood pressure....Why speculate about anabolics and protein intake(which has inconclusive studies) when EVERY study absolutely confirms that HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE and dehydration directly and permanently damages the kidneys....its not really that complicated.
high blood pressure = kidney issues
being heavy = issues
chemicals are for real
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He says that he'll continue to compete but will retire before his 40's.
I remember Jay saying he'd b a fool if he kept competing after 30. And Jay didn't have kidneys issues at least not publicly anyways.
I said it here more than once , I'll say again about 80% of pro bodybuilders have their kidneys working weaker (at least for their age).
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Maybe, just maybe, he's too stupid (read: LAZY) to actually work for a living and would rather live to pose, pose to live until that moment he turns Japaneser. For the fuckin' SNAGs here like Conker, that means he gets jaundice and...wait for it...turns yellow as a result. Oh and Conker, SNAG means you're a Sensitive New Age Guy and "Guy" really is written as "Guy".
Cucktards. Can't stand 'em but since the establishment of the Endangered Feces Act, they're here to serve as an example of protected feces and how best to belittle them.
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Is the stress on the kidneys related to anabolic or is it the mass protein consumption, diuretics , sodium, potassium and dehydration stress on kidneys.
Sounds like a novice question but how stressful to kidneys is a diet based on 1 gram of protein per pound and moderate to high testosterone usage plus a 2nd compound with 3-5 units of growth and a oral every late spring to early summer to tighten up ( stano var clen )
Diuretics is the problem
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This what he says he has in his YT video.
IgA nephropathy (nuh-FROP-uh-thee), also known as Berger's disease, is a kidney disease that occurs when an antibody called immunoglobulin A (IgA) lodges in your kidneys. This results in local inflammation that, over time, may hamper your kidneys' ability to filter wastes from your blood.
IgA nephropathy usually progresses slowly over many years, but the course of the disease in each person is uncertain. Some people leak blood in their urine without developing problems, some eventually achieve complete remission, and others develop end-stage kidney failure.
No cure exists for IgA nephropathy, but certain medications can slow its course. Keeping your blood pressure under control and reducing your cholesterol levels also slow disease progression.
IgA nephropathy care at Mayo Clinic
Symptoms
IgA nephropathy usually doesn't cause symptoms in the early stages. The disease can go unnoticed for decades and is sometimes first suspected when routine tests reveal protein and red blood cells in your urine that can't be seen without a microscope (microscopic hematuria).
Signs and symptoms of IgA nephropathy when kidney function is impaired include:
Cola- or tea-colored urine (caused by red blood cells in the urine)
Repeated episodes of cola- or tea-colored urine, sometimes even visible blood in your urine, usually during or after an upper respiratory or other type of infection
Pain in the side(s) of your back below your ribs (flank)
Swelling (edema) in your hands and feet
High blood pressure
When to see a doctor
Make an appointment with your doctor if you notice blood in your urine. Urinary bleeding may be caused by strenuous exercise, some foods, medications or a urinary tract infection.
But prolonged or repeated bleeding may indicate a serious medical problem and should always be evaluated. Also see your doctor if you develop sudden swelling in your hands and feet.
Request an Appointment at Mayo Clinic
Causes
Inside a kidney
Kidney cross section
Your kidneys are two bean-shaped, fist-sized organs located at the small of your back, one on each side of your spine. Each kidney contains tiny blood vessels (glomeruli) that filter waste, excess water and other substances from your blood as they pass through your kidneys. The filtered blood re-enters your bloodstream, while the waste material passes into your bladder and out of your body when you urinate.
Immunoglobulin A (IgA) is an antibody that plays a key role in your immune system by attacking invading pathogens and fighting infections. But in IgA nephropathy, this antibody collects in the glomeruli, causing inflammation (glomerulonephritis) and gradually affecting their filtering ability.
Researchers don't know exactly what causes IgA deposits in the kidneys, but these conditions or factors may be associated with the development of IgA nephropathy:
Genes, because IgA nephropathy is more common in some families and in certain ethnic groups
Liver diseases, including cirrhosis, a condition in which scar tissue replaces normal tissue within the liver, and chronic hepatitis B and C infections
Celiac disease, a digestive condition triggered by eating gluten, a protein found in most grains
Dermatitis herpetiformis, an itchy, blistering skin disease that stems from gluten intolerance
Infections, including HIV infection and some bacterial infections
Risk factors
Although the exact cause of IgA nephropathy is unknown, these factors may increase your risk of developing this condition:
Sex. In North America and western Europe, IgA nephropathy affects at least twice as many men as it does women.
Ethnicity. IgA nephropathy is more common in Caucasians and Asians than it is in blacks.
Family history. In some cases, IgA nephropathy appears to run in families, indicating that genetic factors may contribute to the disease.
Complications
The course of IgA nephropathy varies from person to person. Some people have the disease for years with few problems. In fact, many cases may go undiagnosed. Other people develop one or more of the following complications:
High blood pressure. Damage to your kidneys from IgA deposits can raise your blood pressure, and high blood pressure can cause further damage to your kidneys.
High cholesterol. High levels of cholesterol may increase your risk of a heart attack.
Acute kidney failure. If your kidneys lose their filtering ability due to IgA deposits, waste products build up quickly in your blood.
Chronic kidney disease. IgA nephropathy can cause your kidneys to gradually stop functioning. In such cases, permanent dialysis or a kidney transplant is needed to sustain life.
Nephrotic syndrome. This is a group of problems that can be caused by damage to the glomeruli, including high urine protein levels, low blood protein levels, high cholesterol and lipids, and swelling of your eyelids, feet and abdomen.
Prevention
Because the cause of IgA nephropathy isn't known, it's not possible to prevent it. But if you have a family history of IgA nephropathy, talk with your doctor to find out what steps you can take to keep your kidneys healthy, such as reducing high blood pressure and keeping your cholesterol at healthy level
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what would a cycle for him look like? doses and diuretics use ?
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Nearly every pro..including the Barron interview...sites high blood pressure. I speak spanish and even Barrons entrevista en espanol said it wasnt the drugs..his blood pressure was like 240/160 or some crazy shit....then the diuretucs as well as heigthened kidney stress just from superhuman training(2-3 times more muscle is 2-3 times more waste products from training for kidney to filter)...and just the stress of being overweight..even if its not fat.....bottom line is plenty of 70s and 80s guys are just fine..its the excessive bodyweight...dehydration and high blood pressure....Why speculate about anabolics and protein intake(which has inconclusive studies) when EVERY study absolutely confirms that HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE and dehydration directly and permanently damages the kidneys....its not really that complicated.
Bullshit...Lots of bodybuilders, pro wrestlers from the 80's died young from steroids. 3 of my friends included.
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These guys are trading years of their life for TEMPORARY muscles.
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These guys are trading years of their life for TEMPORARY muscles.
This. At best, the drugs and extreme dieting are a calculated risk. It's just like any other "extreme" sport. The added stress on the body during contest prep can exacerbate existing conditions (or acute illnesses) that might not otherwise have been life-threatening. But sometimes the perfect storm of conditions comes along and shit happens, like with Munzer, Momo, etc.
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These guys are trading years of their life for TEMPORARY muscles.
And for our entertainment ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=398734.0;attach=435794;image)
He better take this seriously and retire from bodybuilding ASAP.
Ray Mentzer also died from complications resulting from Berger's disease. It is said those complications resulted in kidney failure. Ray died just two days after discovering his brother Mike Mentzer's dead body in the very same apartment due to heart failure.
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what would a cycle for him look like? doses and diuretics use ?
The cycles you see guys doing on fitmisc and reddit for physique are real and seems to be 3-4g/wk total of 3-4 compounds inc orals. HGH on top 4-6iu.
It's no secret it takes a lot of gear to compete. People used to lie about their doses, so many stories about coaches on the forums saying low dose is all you need then a few clients spoke out about hiring them and being chucked on grams and grams of gear (opposite of what was being preached). Bostin Loyd did a lot to blow the doors open on it all.
The issue nowadays though is on forums, trt has become 250-400/wk which is just plain wrong (im on 125/wk). guys are wanting to cruise long term on 500-900/wk. people are becomming immune to dosages.
Also consider in the US particularly it seems they start young so when you hear of a 25yr old guy having health issues, hes probably been hitting gear hard non-stop for 7yrs. Thats a looooong fucking time to be constantly hitting your organs.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=398734.0;attach=435794;image)
He better take this seriously and retire from bodybuilding ASAP.
Ray Mentzer also died from complications resulting from Berger's disease. It is said those complications resulted in kidney failure. Ray died just two days after discovering his brother Mike Mentzer's dead body in the very same apartment due to heart failure.
Interesting. A good advice that not many in this industry will take.
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A urinalysis detects if the kidneys are 'spilling protein. This is one sign of kidney failure. Proteinuria can also be a result of overproduction of proteins by the body.
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Bullshit...Lots of bodybuilders, pro wrestlers from the 80's died young from steroids. 3 of my friends included.
Steroids simply are not toxic to the kidneys....high blood pressure that steroids contribute to is....diuretics and dehydration are...sorry about your friends
Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) may delay progression of chronic kidney disease (CKD) and lower the risk of death in men with hypogonadism, new findings presented at the National Kidney Foundation's 2017 Spring Clinical Meetings suggest.
Archana Goel, MD, of the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Kansas City, Missouri, and colleagues analyzed data from a large cohort of veterans diagnosed with low total testosterone (TT). The investigators divided patients into 2 groups: those treated and who had normalization of TT (38,708 men) and those who were not treated (9755 men) and continued to have low TT. The treated and untreated groups had follow-up times of 6.1 and 5.1 years, respectively.
Reference
Goel A, Oni O, Wiegmann P, et al. Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) delays progression of CKD and ESRD. Poster presented at the National Kidney Foundation's 2017 Spring Clinical Meetings in Orlando, Florida. Poster 239.
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Anyone have that FLEX magazine that talked about Tom Platz entire downfall tied to Advil or Tylenol? That was a classic.
Competitive bodybuilding and personal responsibility are, in fact, mutually exclusive.
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Advil can mess you up though. This is true.
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Anyone have that FLEX magazine that talked about Tom Platz entire downfall tied to Advil or Tylenol? That was a classic.
Competitive bodybuilding and personal responsibility are, in fact, mutually exclusive.
Tom Prince?
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These guys are trading years of their life for TEMPORARY muscles.
Ironically Just about anyone outside bodybuilding see it that way .... In bodybuilding/ you can be talking about dialysis , and almost every single Bodybuilder is hoping for a kidney donor to keep the "work ethic" going rather than learning the lesson .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=398734.0;attach=435794;image)
He better take this seriously and retire from bodybuilding ASAP.
Ray Mentzer also died from complications resulting from Berger's disease. It is said those complications resulted in kidney failure. Ray died just two days after discovering his brother Mike Mentzer's dead body in the very same apartment due to heart failure.
the article you posted quotes Jerry Brainum saying he thinks both Mike and Ray OD's on prescription pain killers.