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Looks like Schizzo just gave his two weeks' notice at Walmart.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-for-all-us-employees.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-for-all-us-employees.html)
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Looks like Schizzo just gave his two weeks' notice at Walmart.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-for-all-us-employees.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-for-all-us-employees.html)
that's still just above the poverty line depending on where you live
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that's still just above the poverty line depending on where you live
You realize the federal minimum wage is $7.25, right? No company is obligated to pay more than that. $15 is huge for a lot of people in America, and in rural places (which is where Amazon has a lot of its fulfillment centers), it's more than enough to live on.
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I’d have to work 100 hours a week under the table to make my bills.yes much better than minimum wage by far but no one with a house and family could live with that unless in a very depressed area.
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You realize the federal minimum wage is $7.25, right? No company is obligated to pay more than that. $15 is huge for a lot of people in America, and in rural places (which is where Amazon has a lot of its fulfillment centers), it's more than enough to live on.
I live in a rural area and $15 is more than most people make unless they are professionals.
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I’d have to work 100 hours a week under the table to make my bills.yes much better than minimum wage by far but no one with a house and family could live with that unless in a very depressed area.
I'm pretty sure Amazon isn't trying to lure you from your business with the $15 an hour offer.
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You realize the federal minimum wage is $7.25, right? No company is obligated to pay more than that. $15 is huge for a lot of people in America, and in rural places (which is where Amazon has a lot of its fulfillment centers), it's more than enough to live on.
think again
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think again
Dan where do you live?
$15 wouldn't cut it for a single person in California but you would do okay in parts of Florida, Texas, Ohio and Michigan.
Side note no one wants to be a picker for Amazon no matter what they pay.
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Goodrum is offline because he is applying for Amazon warehouse jobs! :D
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Dan where do you live?
$15 wouldn't cut it for a single person in California but you would do okay in parts of Florida, Texas, Ohio and Michigan.
Side note no one wants to be a picker for Amazon no matter what they pay.
read my post I said ''depending on where you live '' Im in NY I make 23.50 an hour plus bonus with a mortgage 2 kids 1 in college and my wife works and its still not easy.. so a single or married couple no kids yea 15 an hour in some states is fine
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So the world's richest man gave his employees a raise, while at the same time alerting the media to his Noble act..so brave
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So the world's richest man gave his employees a raise, while at the same time alerting the media to his Noble act..so brave
I don't think it was meant to be brave. Would it have been better if he didn't give them a raise?
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I don't think it was meant to be brave. Would it have been better if he didn't give them a raise?
No it makes him a narcissist
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Jeff Bezos knows the Karmic law of the universe and knows that giving back will repay him over and over.
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No it makes him a narcissist
It makes him a narcissist to help his employees? I am a narcissist and I wouldn't help anyone.
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It makes him a narcissist to help his employees? I am a narcissist and I wouldn't help anyone.
yes a part of being one is excessive urge for admiration. your just a dick ;D
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read my post I said ''depending on where you live '' Im in NY I make 23.50 an hour plus bonus with a mortgage 2 kids 1 in college and my wife works and its still not easy.. so a single or married couple no kids yea 15 an hour in some states is fine
I gotcha. I missed the earlier post I just quoted the think again.
I don't think k13 was implying $15 an hour was great money but that it was an acceptable rate for a minimum wage hire.
I'm like most here in that I wouldn't want to have that as my pay but I'd take 15 over 7.75.
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USA doesn't need a useless minimum wage................
USA needs a Salary Cap
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I’d have to work 100 hours a week under the table to make my bills.yes much better than minimum wage by far but no one with a house and family could live with that unless in a very depressed area.
You have far too many personal bills if that is accurate. Unplug from the rat race.
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You have far too many personal bills if that is accurate. Unplug from the rat race.
I definitely do.Wish I could.It sucks.bills,groceries and gas etc I need about 8k a month.thats leaving nothing extra.3 kids and wife that does not work is pretty rough.
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USA doesn't need a useless minimum wage................
USA needs a Salary Cap
A salary cap? How is that freedom?
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USA doesn't need a useless minimum wage................
USA needs a Salary Cap
Great, we can start with Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Oprah...maybe throw Fuckerberg in the mix as well.
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Great, we can start with Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Oprah...maybe throw Fuckerberg in the mix as well.
Highest paid employee salary of any company can only be 10x that of the lowest paid employee...
easy....
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I am an Assistant Store Manager at Auto Zone and I make between $13-14 an hour. At times, its a slight struggle but I make do.
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I am an Assistant Store Manager at Auto Zone and I make between $13-14 an hour. At times, its a slight struggle but I make do.
You know SF1900- AutoZone was just listed as one of the most recession resistant and consistently highest performing businesses out there. So you have a bright and stable career ahead of you. You should be proud.
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/azo/financials
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Highest paid employee salary of any company can only be 10x that of the lowest paid employee...
easy....
What type of non-sense is this?You know SF1900- AutoZone was just listed as one of the most recession resistant and consistently highest performing businesses out there. So you have a bright and stable career ahead of you. You should be proud.
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/azo/financials
People working on their cars, no-brainer. Especially with the average age of a car in the US being about 14 yrs old. And as more EVs come online, this may or may not continue.
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You know SF1900- AutoZone was just listed as one of the most recession resistant and consistently highest performing businesses out there. So you have a bright and stable career ahead of you. You should be proud.
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/azo/financials
Thank you. I am proud that I landed this job.
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Thank you. I am proud that I landed this job.
;D I just went there the other day for some car stuff. Everybody was polite as can be. All kidding aside, the are valued at just under $20B. I never knew. Same with companies like Dollar General. Their market cap is $25 Billion!
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;D I just went there the other day for some car stuff. Everybody was polite as can be. All kidding aside, the are valued at just under $20B. I never knew. Same with companies like Dollar General. Their market cap is $25 Billion!
Walmart views dollar general as their biggest competitor (as far as market share)!
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$15 an hour at 40 hours a week is approximately $2000, adjusting for state and local taxes. It's more than enough for a single person to live ALONE (no roommates) on a budget in rented lodgings and have money saved over after their usual monthly expenses (food, car insurance, gas, cellphone bill, groceries). I never said anything about kids or a wife or an elderly/sick dependent. That being said, subsidies do exist for those extra burdens if you file the right paperwork and demonstrate you need additional help beyond what you make. In fact, that's what drove the pay hike in the first place: There was a law passed that the company would be penalized for every dollar in food stamps or other assistance their minimum-wage employees received on top of their salaries. It's certainly not a bad wage for a young person in their first job. Walmart recently raised its waged to around $12 an hour after years of protests and complaints by employees.
I’d have to work 100 hours a week under the table to make my bills.yes much better than minimum wage by far but no one with a house and family could live with that unless in a very depressed area.
That sucks. You may have to go back to the drawing board one day and reconfigure that setup when you can afford to. I sympathize, though, no judgments here.
I live in a rural area and $15 is more than most people make unless they are professionals.
It's a living wage in many midwestern and southern states. I mean, if someone wants more, they can try to get promoted after enough years of service or go back to school, or learn a trade. Nobody's forcing anyone to work at Amazon, right?
So the world's richest man gave his employees a raise, while at the same time alerting the media to his Noble act..so brave
It's not about bravery. It's about him being the richest man in the world and feeling the pressure from a multitude of sources: The many attempts at unionizing in his workforce that the company crushed in the past; protests by existing employees, as well as undercover reports of working conditions that included people urinating in bottles or defecating in garbage cans to avoid missing their pick targets or asking for bathroom breaks, or being dehydrated from walking around a hot warehouse all day; and reports by none other than Tucker Carlson (among others) criticizing the company for how it treats his employees on his show:
Oh...I thought only left wing media outlets focused on minimum wage and worker conditions? ::)
No it makes him a narcissist
He was already a narcissist and will continue to be. It comes with having $150 billion as your net worth and the largest virtual retail company in the world. Has nothing to do with this pay raise. That's just good business.
USA doesn't need a useless minimum wage................
USA needs a Salary Cap
The Soviet Union had that, too. It closed down. Idiot.
I am an Assistant Store Manager at Auto Zone and I make between $13-14 an hour. At times, its a slight struggle but I make do.
I don't believe anything you write here but for those who do occupy that position at Auto Zone, good on them. One day they might get their own store.
think again
No. You think again.
Goodrum is offline because he is applying for Amazon warehouse jobs! :D
Haha. He's too fat for most of their hourly jobs.
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Amazon.com 5* :)
Amazon.com.au sucks >:(
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I’d have to work 100 hours a week under the table to make my bills.yes much better than minimum wage by far but no one with a house and family could live with that unless in a very depressed area.
So you work over 14 hours a day seven days a week, presumably, you work out being on this board, and yet you still have time to post on GetBig.
Props!
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just left amazon after 5 years, took my boss down with me
the unions should be coming soon ;D
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So you work over 14 hours a day seven days a week, presumably, you work out being on this board, and yet you still have time to post on GetBig.
Props!
I have my own business and some days I work 10-12 hours some days I don’t work at all.I would have to work 100 hours a week under the table if I was getting 15.00 an hour just to pay bills and I would still be short is what I said.
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Highest paid employee salary of any company can only be 10x that of the lowest paid employee...
easy....
And completely stupid.
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Jesus I wouldn't even get out of bed for 15 n hour. Some of you guys need to aim higher. How can anyone be ok with making 15 bucks an hour??
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Jesus I wouldn't even get out of bed for 15 n hour. Some of you guys need to aim higher. How can anyone be ok with making 15 bucks an hour??
What about 15.25?
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The reality of this Bezos move is that 1) He eliminated stock and bonuses from the employees pay, 2) He is giving the employees who currently make $15/hour a very small raise so essentially those who worked their way up are now no different than entry level people (fcking stupid move)3) He is investing in warehouse automation at a lightning fast clip and won't need a lot of employees anyways and 4) He is worried about antitrust action so he tried to placate the liberal Democrats in Congress and get them on his side.
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$15 an hour will force many businesses to pay people with cash. Imagine how a little business with three employees will survive like a dry cleaner if they are shelling out over 100k in salary and health benefits?
Minimum wage was never meant to be a career. It's a job for high school, college kids and those supplementing the main family income. If this spreads it will be nearly impossible for a high school or college student to find a job. Many jobs will be lost too. This liberal BS that they are going to force businesses to pay a minimum wage of 30K is socialism and it will back fire in the end.
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The reality of this Bezos move is that 1) He eliminated stock and bonuses from the employees pay, 2) He is giving the employees who currently make $15/hour a very small raise so essentially those who worked their way up are now no different than entry level people (fcking stupid move)3) He is investing in warehouse automation at a lightning fast clip and won't need a lot of employees anyways and 4) He is worried about antitrust action so he tried to placate the liberal Democrats in Congress and get them on his side.
Great explanation!
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$15 an hour will force many businesses to pay people with cash. Imagine how a little business with three employees will survive like a dry cleaner if they are shelling out over 100k in salary and health benefits?
Minimum wage was never meant to be a career. It's a job for high school, college kids and those supplementing the main family income. If this spreads it will be nearly impossible for a high school or college student to find a job. Many jobs will be lost too. This liberal BS that they are going to force businesses to pay a minimum wage of 30K is socialism and it will back fire in the end.
$15 is their hiring wage. What theyre doing is similar to what Henry Ford did with the $5 a day wage. In theory $15 will attract a better employee.
Years ago in Detroit McDonalds offered higher starting wages to compete with factory jobs. When the factorys shut down McDonald's didnt have to offer as competitive starting salary.
Amazon will only hire so many people. This isnt going to raise minimum wage nation wide this is only going to make amazon a desired place for a certain type of manual laborer.
Eventuality Amazon will raise prices to offset costs.
It's not going to be the start of socialism.
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It's not going to be the start of socialism.
The danger is the centralization/concentration of service that Amazon offers. Goes against everything established against monopolies in the past. That's what makes it the perfect company store partner for huge govt and minimum basic income AKA socialism.
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The danger is the centralization/concentration of service that Amazon offers. Goes against everything established against monopolies in the past. That's what makes it the perfect company store partner for huge govt and minimum basic income AKA socialism.
Valid point. It's interesting that there hasnt been government intervention yet.
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$15 an hour will force many businesses to pay people with cash. Imagine how a little business with three employees will survive like a dry cleaner if they are shelling out over 100k in salary and health benefits?
Minimum wage was never meant to be a career. It's a job for high school, college kids and those supplementing the main family income. If this spreads it will be nearly impossible for a high school or college student to find a job. Many jobs will be lost too. This liberal BS that they are going to force businesses to pay a minimum wage of 30K is socialism and it will back fire in the end.
No, it won't. You don't realize how much executive pay has ballooned in the last 20 years. A lot of C-suite people are taking home 8 figures in bonuses and stock options, on top of salary, while the people who keep their fucking trucks moving and pick and pack their shitty Chinese microwaves and blenders are on food stamps. That's not right, and that's why these mega-rich companies like Walmart and Amazon are all raising their pay. It's not socialism, it's fucking common sense. $7-$12 isn't a living wage in 2018. All management pay has grown for inflation, but rank and file pay hasn't. The billionaire owners of Walmart didn't lose a dime by raising the pay to $12 from whatever it was before.
Amazon's dirtiest employment practices aren't even for their warehouse staff. It's for their self-employed residential delivery drivers, who make shit for pay and have to deliver a ton of packages or get canned by the end of the day.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hv3QDkK0/rzpikrn9ifcak4ix1lks.jpg)
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No it makes him a narcissist
So what? If someone is helping make other people's lives better what does it matter what kind of person you think he is? As long as he didn't make his money by killing people like a drug dealer what makes you think you can read his mind and determine his motivations for helping others? All you can be sure of is his actions. What he actually does. Why he does it is of much less importance.
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So what? If someone is helping make other people's lives better what does it matter what kind of person you think he is? As long as he didn't make his money by killing people like a drug dealer what makes you think you can read his mind and determine his motivations for helping others? All you can be sure of is his actions. What he actually does. Why he does it is of much less importance.
Good post and well said. Seems you can't do anything anymore without being trashed for your motives. Just because the guy was very innovative and is very successful is no reason to jackhammer his decisions on what to do with his own business.
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USA doesn't need a useless minimum wage................
USA needs a Salary Cap
Really? How does that help anything? And how will that work?
Say you start a business and make an annual profit of one million a year. Say the business is such a success because of a very productive employee whom you pay 500 grand a year. This employee starts winning contracts and his productivity goes through the roof and your million a year profit goes to twenty million. You now want to give him a raise to two million a year but you can't because the salary cap is one million. Now what? As the owner, you HAVE to keep that additional profit or do business owners also have a salary cap? And if they do, say a ten million cap, where is that additional ten million profit go? What if a foreign company wants to hire this employee more that you are ALLOWED to pay him?
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^^^ All questions beyond the scope of laisser-faire leftists.
All they want is for hourly rank-and-file workers to make more and CEOs to make less. They can't explain why but there it is. They usually also believe if you tax the wealthy more, it'll create prosperity for all.
In fact, the total wealth in private hands is about $3 trillion if we're talking billionaires only. Break that down into equal sums for 325 million people and what do you get? $9200 per American. That's all. And keep in mind that's assuming you took ALL their wealth, not, say, 10% more, or 15% more.
It's insane. It makes NO sense and flies in the face of merit-based compensation and the laws of nature. Do people give bears and tigers less food and wolves and foxes more?
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$15 an hour at 40 hours a week is approximately $2000, adjusting for state and local taxes. It's more than enough for a single person to live ALONE (no roommates) on a budget in rented lodgings and have money saved over after their usual monthly expenses (food, car insurance, gas, cellphone bill, groceries). I never said anything about kids or a wife or an elderly/sick dependent. That being said, subsidies do exist for those extra burdens if you file the right paperwork and demonstrate you need additional help beyond what you make. In fact, that's what drove the pay hike in the first place: There was a law passed that the company would be penalized for every dollar in food stamps or other assistance their minimum-wage employees received on top of their salaries. It's certainly not a bad wage for a young person in their first job. Walmart recently raised its waged to around $12 an hour after years of protests and complaints by employees.
That sucks. You may have to go back to the drawing board one day and reconfigure that setup when you can afford to. I sympathize, though, no judgments here.
It's a living wage in many midwestern and southern states. I mean, if someone wants more, they can try to get promoted after enough years of service or go back to school, or learn a trade. Nobody's forcing anyone to work at Amazon, right?
It's not about bravery. It's about him being the richest man in the world and feeling the pressure from a multitude of sources: The many attempts at unionizing in his workforce that the company crushed in the past; protests by existing employees, as well as undercover reports of working conditions that included people urinating in bottles or defecating in garbage cans to avoid missing their pick targets or asking for bathroom breaks, or being dehydrated from walking around a hot warehouse all day; and reports by none other than Tucker Carlson (among others) criticizing the company for how it treats his employees on his show:
Oh...I thought only left wing media outlets focused on minimum wage and worker conditions? ::)
He was already a narcissist and will continue to be. It comes with having $150 billion as your net worth and the largest virtual retail company in the world. Has nothing to do with this pay raise. That's just good business.
The Soviet Union had that, too. It closed down. Idiot.
I don't believe anything you write here but for those who do occupy that position at Auto Zone, good on them. One day they might get their own store.
No. You think again.
Haha. He's too fat for most of their hourly jobs.
Masterful work on using the multi-quote function. I don't even know how to use it.
One of the marks of a top tier poster.
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Jesus I wouldn't even get out of bed for 15 n hour. Some of you guys need to aim higher. How can anyone be ok with making 15 bucks an hour??
Those with jobs that pay $8/hour. How much did you make on your first job? Was it more than $15 an hour adjusted for inflation. I mean, you did get out of bed.
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The reality of this Bezos move is that 1) He eliminated stock and bonuses from the employees pay, 2) He is giving the employees who currently make $15/hour a very small raise so essentially those who worked their way up are now no different than entry level people (fcking stupid move)3) He is investing in warehouse automation at a lightning fast clip and won't need a lot of employees anyways and 4) He is worried about antitrust action so he tried to placate the liberal Democrats in Congress and get them on his side.
OK, I get it. He's an evil, evil man and if given the opportunity would enslave us all in work camps and is doing this to cover up his sinister plans. But do you think the employees are better off now at $15/hour or at the $7.50/hour?
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All business owners are evil cretins who screw over their employees. Only government officials are good and then only if they are socialists. If we could just change the U.S. to pure socialism we would be so much better off like Venezuela, Cuba and the old Soviet Union.
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OK, I get it. He's an evil, evil man and if given the opportunity would enslave us all in work camps and is doing this to cover up his sinister plans. But do you think the employees are better off now at $15/hour or at the $7.50/hour?
Its not about that. It’s about the long term. And that is with the pay raises many industries are lost king towards automation. Like the fast food industry, those companies that raise their min wage to 15/hour, hire less people and focus on automation. And like Thomas Sowell has said, raising of the min wage has hurt employable certain segments of the population.
http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/ (http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/)
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Its not about that. It’s about the long term. And that is with the pay raises many industries are lost king towards automation. Like the fast food industry, those companies that raise their min wage to 15/hour, hire less people and focus on automation. And like Thomas Sowell has said, raising of the min wage has hurt employable certain segments of the population.
http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/ (http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/)
Automation has its limits. Humans are still being used for the overwhelming majority of physically-demanding jobs in retail, logistics, and customer service. Layoffs are inevitable, but the same thing happened 100 years ago when industry started moving towards machine-based labor. It'll never get to a place where no one without an advanced degree or skill has a job because it would lead to economic stagnation and possible civil unrest. There's far more jobs open than people looking and that will continue for a long time.
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OK, I get it. He's an evil, evil man and if given the opportunity would enslave us all in work camps and is doing this to cover up his sinister plans. But do you think the employees are better off now at $15/hour or at the $7.50/hour?
You aren’t the sharpest pencil in the box pellius. Do some research on what the existing employees are saying about this “raise”.
The bulk of your comments are truly ignorant.
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Its not about that. It’s about the long term. And that is with the pay raises many industries are lost king towards automation. Like the fast food industry, those companies that raise their min wage to 15/hour, hire less people and focus on automation. And like Thomas Sowell has said, raising of the min wage has hurt employable certain segments of the population.
http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/ (http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/)
Huge, huge, huge difference between the government raising the minimum wage and an employer raising their base pay.
As Thomas Sowell's number one student, Walter Williams, would say, "Move to the back of the class."
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You aren’t the sharpest pencil in the box pellius. Do some research on what the existing employees are saying about this “raise”.
The bulk of your comments are truly ignorant.
Why don't you point out and explain my "ignorance" as I majored in math/science and minored in Economics at UCLA.
I know several people that work for Amazon, two are relatives. Those that were making 7.50 are ecstatic that their pay has doubled.
Why don't you answer the question instead of hurling personal insults. If you were working at Amazon making 7.50 and it was raised to 15 would you consider yourself better off or would you decline the increase?
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Good on Amazon but $15/hour is about $30,000 yearly. That's enough to get by in some places but it's not a comfortable lifestyle.
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Valid point. It's interesting that there hasnt been government intervention yet.
There has....just that's it's the Chinese govt not the USA:
https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-apple-hacked-by-china-through-microchip-2018-10
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Good on Amazon but $15/hour is about $30,000 yearly. That's enough to get by in some places but it's not a comfortable lifestyle.
You realize those people wear headsets that tells them to pick items off a shelf and put it on a push cart on wheels, right? They don't deserve $15. Not even $13. If you want a comfortable life, go to school or learn something that not everyone else can do after 4 hours of group training.
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Good on Amazon but $15/hour is about $30,000 yearly. That's enough to get by in some places but it's not a comfortable lifestyle.
No one is forcing anyone to take the job. Or make it a career. It's a means to an end.
You realize those people wear headsets that tells them to pick items off a shelf and put it on a push cart on wheels, right? They don't deserve $15. Not even $13. If you want a comfortable life, go to school or learn something that not everyone else can do after 4 hours of group training.
Kwon, after reading your description of the skill set, do you think I can use you as a reference for this Amazon job?
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You realize those people wear headsets that tells them to pick items off a shelf and put it on a push cart on wheels, right? They don't deserve $15. Not even $13. If you want a comfortable life, go to school or learn something that not everyone else can do after 4 hours of group training.
All I said is that $15/hour isn't much for an adult, and that was in response to some posters in this thread that act like this is a livable wage. Since you mention it though, how much do these workers "deserve" and how did you arrive at your figure?
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No one is forcing anyone to take the job. Or make it a career. It's a means to an end.
And yet plenty of people make a career out of similar low-paying, dead-end jobs. Why do you think that is?
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And yet plenty of people make a career out of similar low-paying, dead-end jobs. Why do you think that is?
Opportunity. Lack of education. Low motivation and self esteem. Low intelligence. Poor work ethic. Living expenses play a role as does debt to income ratio.
There's a large portion of society that looks for the path of least resistance when living life. There's another portion that likes stability, consistency and routine even if they don't like the job.
Familiarity with an occupation for many is better than starting over somewhere new. There's a reason a large portion of the (American) population lives within 60 miles of where they grew up (another study says the average American lives 18 miles away from their mother).
What was the answer you were looking for and what do you think Amazon should pay as a starting wage?
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think again
2x
Seems impossible
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2x
Seems impossible
Cut back on the lobster and caviar, you'll be fine.
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Huge, huge, huge difference between the government raising the minimum wage and an employer raising their base pay.
As Thomas Sowell's number one student, Walter Williams, would say, "Move to the back of the class."
Read on. I said the fast food industry. I believe in some places Wendy’s or McDonalds has raised their min wage to $15/hour, but with that has come more automation. So, less people are being hired.
Also, one must ask does this make the cost of fries, Big Mac, or a Wendy’s Chicken sandwich go up.
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McDonalds' hiring rates have actually been trending upward in conjunction with more automation. If you go into an automated Mcdonald's (or home depot or cvs) it's not like any of those stores are being operated by one or two employees.
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There's a large portion of society that looks for the path of least resistance when living life.
Wouldn't the path of least resistance be immediate suicide?
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Read on. I said the fast food industry. I believe in some places Wendy’s or McDonalds has raised their min wage to $15/hour, but with that has come more automation. So, less people are being hired.
Also, one must ask does this make the cost of fries, Big Mac, or a Wendy’s Chicken sandwich go up.
Thomas Sowell would be shaking his head. I jest but Sowell has been my idol since my days taking econ classes at UCLA and I have read every one of his books and articles which seems like forever. I wish he would run this world.
No business will do anything willingly if it did not increase profits. And, of course, raising labor cost increases the cost of doing business. They will only raise base pay due to competition and if they are able to compensate elsewhere. This could be by raising the cost to the consumer but this is always the last resort. That is the option most often done when it is the government that mandates that they pay more. If they do it from a business standpoint then raising consumer cost is the last desperate option that most choose not to do. That leaves automation as a viable option. Have machines replace people so you don't have to hire as many employees.
I remember Sowell's response when posed this question about automation/technology replacing human labor. "So what?" You never, ever want to put restrictions on technology to spare human jobs. Never. If you did we'd still be having blocks of ice delivered to our homes on horse and carriage.
As technology advances and jobs are lost, new jobs are created that more than compensates for less efficient human labor. Anytime you can reduce the cost of doing business and increase the profit margin only then can expand and grow, not only your own business but the economy as a whole.
Say you own a fast food drive in and you employ ten workers. Now you have some machine that can flip the burgers at the exact time you want them every time and put them on a bun ten patties at a time. It could be anything really but say it cuts the need for labor down to five employees so you get rid of the other five. But now you are making more money. Now you can save and invest, which grows the economy. Maybe that savings can be translated into opening up another drive in with five employees. So instead of having one drive in with ten employees, you have two with five each.
Again, the basic economic principle is to never to reject the advances in technology, to do things better and cheaper, because you want to save an individual job. New, better and more jobs are always the result. And it also increases the standard of living for the consumer because they get better products for less cost. I remember when the VHS was being replace by the DVDs. All the talk of loss jobs. All those VCR machines, VHS rental stores going out of business. And they did. And we are better off for it.
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New, better and more jobs are always the result.
Do you actually believe this ???
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Opportunity. Lack of education. Low motivation and self esteem. Low intelligence. Poor work ethic. Living expenses play a role as does debt to income ratio.
There's a large portion of society that looks for the path of least resistance when living life. There's another portion that likes stability, consistency and routine even if they don't like the job.
Familiarity with an occupation for many is better than starting over somewhere new. There's a reason a large portion of the (American) population lives within 60 miles of where they grew up (another study says the average American lives 18 miles away from their mother).
What was the answer you were looking for and what do you think Amazon should pay as a starting wage?
18 miles away from mother,close 23 miles.
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Do you actually believe this ???
Instead of I that I go through all this trouble writing this and not meaning it. That I just make it up for fun . Why don't you address the argument and debate and offer a counter point? Give an example where it's not true. And just to be clear, I mean advances that made it to the market. There are many ideas that are tried and failed but those technology advances that actually did produce always resulted in more and better jobs producing better and cheaper products.
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If you really think of it, Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO, is more successful than Jeff Bezos:
Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO: Over 200 online businesses.
Jeff Bezo: One online business.
The numbers speak for themselves.
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18 miles away from mother,close 23 miles.
I hear you bro. I live in my moms basement.
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Instead of I that I go through all this trouble writing this and not meaning it. That I just make it up for fun . Why don't you address the argument and debate and offer a counter point? Give an example where it's not true. And just to be clear, I mean advances that made it to the market. There are many ideas that are tried and failed but those technology advances that actually did produce always resulted in more and better jobs producing better and cheaper products.
Once upon a time, twenty chair makers lived in the same city. Each knew how to make an entire chair. Then came the chair factory, which makes a chair in five steps. Each step requires someone to do a unique, tiny, and trivial job. The factory can make enough chairs for the whole city.
Instead of 20 jobs, we have five. Instead of a satisfying job, we have an extremely boring and degrading job. I'll grant that the jobs are "new" at least...
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Once upon a time, twenty chair makers lived in the same city. Each knew how to make an entire chair. Then came the chair factory, which makes a chair in five steps. Each step requires someone to do a unique, tiny, and trivial job. The factory can make enough chairs for the whole city.
Instead of 20 jobs, we have five. Instead of a satisfying job, we have an extremely boring and degrading job. I'll grant that the jobs are "new" at least...
All 1000000% due to pure greed of the 1%... thus the need for a salary cap
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Once upon a time, twenty chair makers lived in the same city. Each knew how to make an entire chair. Then came the chair factory, which makes a chair in five steps. Each step requires someone to do a unique, tiny, and trivial job. The factory can make enough chairs for the whole city.
Instead of 20 jobs, we have five. Instead of a satisfying job, we have an extremely boring and degrading job. I'll grant that the jobs are "new" at least...
Once upon a time we all depended horses for transportation and a life was spent in the village or town you were born.
20 chair makers were chair makers because their fore fathers were. That didn't mean it was a satisfying or fulfilling job, it meant they were born into that life. Today they can pursue any dream or desire they have.
The old ways weren't always better, nor are the new. The past is romanticized by people who weren't there to live it, just like the future is imagined by those in the present. We live in the now
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All 1000000% due to pure greed of the 1%... thus the need for a salary cap
And has this been proven to work, when it comes to how much an owner of a business or CEO can make?
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20 chair makers were chair makers because their fore fathers were. That didn't mean it was a satisfying or fulfilling job, it meant they were born into that life. Today they can pursue any dream or desire they have.
The old ways weren't always better, nor are the new. The past is romanticized by people who weren't there to live it, just like the future is imagined by those in the present. We live in the now
Anyone can pursue their dream. I was reading Herodotus' histories and learned about many people who risked everything and succeeded. Some impersonated the king and took his throne, some incited rebellion and came out on top, some founded new communities, etc.
I'm not saying the past was better, but are people really more free? It depends if they realize their dreams more or less often than they used to, and what those dreams are.
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Anyone can pursue their dream. I was reading Herodotus' histories and learned about many people who risked everything and succeeded. Some impersonated the king and took his throne, some incited rebellion and came out on top, some founded new communities, etc.
I'm not saying the past was better, but are people really more free? It depends if they realize their dreams more or less often than they used to, and what those dreams are.
Your points are valid and I don't have an answer if people experience more freedom. I do think we live in the most exciting time with the most opportunity to live a best life.
Bezos was a regular human who built a conglomeration. I like to believe that anyone can chase there dream and succeed.
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Once upon a time we all depended horses for transportation and a life was spent in the village or town you were born.
20 chair makers were chair makers because their fore fathers were. That didn't mean it was a satisfying or fulfilling job, it meant they were born into that life. Today they can pursue any dream or desire they have.
The old ways weren't always better, nor are the new. The past is romanticized by people who weren't there to live it, just like the future is imagined by those in the present. We live in the now
and everyone lived off one salary.. the man worked.. woman took care of the house/kids....
THATS the way the economy and life is supposed to work..
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and everyone lived off one salary.. the man worked.. woman took care of the house/kids....
THATS the way the economy and life is supposed to work..
I'm not arguing that at all.
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Your points are valid and I don't have an answer if people experience more freedom. I do think we live in the most exciting time with the most opportunity to live a best life.
Bezos was a regular human who built a conglomeration. I like to believe that anyone can chase there dream and succeed.
Yeah, it's cool. I just learned to see things differently during my time at Amazon. For over five years I worked a degrading job, becoming stupider by the day while making a killing. The work was so boring and pointless I started to wonder if they just pay people to keep them stupid. There's no way more than 5% of what went on in my department was of any real value to anyone.
At the same time I love using Uber, which probably would be a much shittier service without AWS (or one of its competitors) -- if it could exist at all without them. I don't order many packages, but of course I like getting them the next day. I couldn't give a shit about 99% of the worthless apps that flood onto my screen, but I like having my music library with Amazon, streaming in anytime, anywhere, to any device.
Are all these things worth it? Before working at Amazon, I would have said "yes" without hesitation. But the longer I worked there, the more I started to question myself.
I felt less "human" every day. What did it matter if I could get movies on demand, when I couldn't stop thinking about some annoying conflict at work long enough to enjoy one? Why did I cares about news, books or any cultural material? Every nose-to-monitor day, I forgot more and more of the real-world and historical context needed to understand and enjoy them in the first place. I liked buying expensive clothes with my big paychecks, but they just gathered dust, since I never went anywhere but the office and gym.
In short, I started to comprehend the common paranoia about "consumerism" after seeing firsthand the gross overpayment for pointless services rendered by a rapidly-dehumanized, disposable, and quickly-restocked immigrant workforce, all perpetuated to ensure that 99.999% uptime, 4.98 star service, 14.7 minute delivery window, and burgeoning, bursting catalogue we call progress. Wanton waste disguised as "efficiency" -- who really pays the price for those competition-crushing savings if not -- you, the worker?
Sorry, sort of tangential rant, not really directed at you.
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Once upon a time, twenty chair makers lived in the same city. Each knew how to make an entire chair. Then came the chair factory, which makes a chair in five steps. Each step requires someone to do a unique, tiny, and trivial job. The factory can make enough chairs for the whole city.
Instead of 20 jobs, we have five. Instead of a satisfying job, we have an extremely boring and degrading job. I'll grant that the jobs are "new" at least...
Ok, so you can't think of a single example. Neither can I but I'm sure there are some. Nothing has a 100 percent success rate.
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Yeah, it's cool. I just learned to see things differently during my time at Amazon. For over five years I worked a degrading job, becoming stupider by the day while making a killing. The work was so boring and pointless I started to wonder if they just pay people to keep them stupid. There's no way more than 5% of what went on in my department was of any real value to anyone.
At the same time I love using Uber, which probably would be a much shittier service without AWS (or one of its competitors) -- if it could exist at all without them. I don't order many packages, but of course I like getting them the next day. I couldn't give a shit about 99% of the worthless apps that flood onto my screen, but I like having my music library with Amazon, streaming in anytime, anywhere, to any device.
Are all these things worth it? Before working at Amazon, I would have said "yes" without hesitation. But the longer I worked there, the more I started to question myself.
I felt less "human" every day. What did it matter if I could get movies on demand, when I couldn't stop thinking about some annoying conflict at work long enough to enjoy one? Why did I cares about news, books or any cultural material? Every nose-to-monitor day, I forgot more and more of the real-world and historical context needed to understand and enjoy them in the first place. I liked buying expensive clothes with my big paychecks, but they just gathered dust, since I never went anywhere but the office and gym.
In short, I started to comprehend the common paranoia about "consumerism" after seeing firsthand the gross overpayment for pointless services rendered by a rapidly-dehumanized, disposable, and quickly-restocked immigrant workforce, all perpetuated to ensure that 99.999% uptime, 4.98 star service, 14.7 minute delivery window, and burgeoning, bursting catalogue we call progress. Wanton waste disguised as "efficiency" -- who really pays the price for those competition-crushing savings if not -- you, the worker?
Sorry, sort of tangential rant, not really directed at you.
I totally understand and I can relate from where you're coming from. I forgot you worked for Amazon so you have a better perspective and insight than the crap I was spewing.
I was also "trapped" in a good paying job that left me depressed, feeling worthless and miserable. No amount of money, or at least what I was making, can overcome that.
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Ok, so you can't think of a single example. Neither can I but I'm sure there are some. Nothing has a 100 percent success rate.
???
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Amazon is going to pay $15/hr but they are taking away bonus and stock options.
Probably works out to a wash for them.
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Amazon is going to pay $15/hr but they are taking away bonus and stock options.
Probably works out to a wash for them.
Which would you prefer?
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Which would you prefer?
Let it go, man. Some people just don't see the issue through the prism of the average Amazon hourly worker. I've talked to a few since making this thread and they couldn't care less about stock options. They just want enough money to pay their rent.
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Yeah, it's cool. I just learned to see things differently during my time at Amazon. For over five years I worked a degrading job, becoming stupider by the day while making a killing. The work was so boring and pointless I started to wonder if they just pay people to keep them stupid. There's no way more than 5% of what went on in my department was of any real value to anyone.
At the same time I love using Uber, which probably would be a much shittier service without AWS (or one of its competitors) -- if it could exist at all without them. I don't order many packages, but of course I like getting them the next day. I couldn't give a shit about 99% of the worthless apps that flood onto my screen, but I like having my music library with Amazon, streaming in anytime, anywhere, to any device.
Are all these things worth it? Before working at Amazon, I would have said "yes" without hesitation. But the longer I worked there, the more I started to question myself.
I felt less "human" every day. What did it matter if I could get movies on demand, when I couldn't stop thinking about some annoying conflict at work long enough to enjoy one? Why did I cares about news, books or any cultural material? Every nose-to-monitor day, I forgot more and more of the real-world and historical context needed to understand and enjoy them in the first place. I liked buying expensive clothes with my big paychecks, but they just gathered dust, since I never went anywhere but the office and gym.
In short, I started to comprehend the common paranoia about "consumerism" after seeing firsthand the gross overpayment for pointless services rendered by a rapidly-dehumanized, disposable, and quickly-restocked immigrant workforce, all perpetuated to ensure that 99.999% uptime, 4.98 star service, 14.7 minute delivery window, and burgeoning, bursting catalogue we call progress. Wanton waste disguised as "efficiency" -- who really pays the price for those competition-crushing savings if not -- you, the worker?
Sorry, sort of tangential rant, not really directed at you.
Very good post
And insight.
Working conditions / pay etc have gone backwards in most jobs here in the U.K.
Since the late 90’s if not before.
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Very good post
And insight.
Working conditions / pay etc have gone backwards in most jobs here in the U.K.
Since the late 90’s if not before.
Doesn't help a growing Muslim subgroup (benefits scroungers) have elbowed aside the old White Trash in council flats so parodied in the 80s-90s on TV and taken their place, expect they make a lot more children and preach hatred for the country. You can't go to any shopping mall or Tesco in big cities and not see like 20 ragheads pushing shopping carts with four kids in them. Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and Cameron ruined the country. I hope to see the day every shaven-headed soccer hooligan and pub regular in a football shirt with broken teeth and gold earrings goes out with cricket bats and brass knuckles and beats the living shit out of the police and trashes their local MPs office on live TV. The Irish had two deadly paramilitary forces that still exist and shot each other and English soldiers whenever they had to blow off some steam. The UK and Scotland needs the same. Let's get the Neds out there too, put the buckfast and fags done and go fucking kill people.
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^^^^ this is what they brought into Great Britain. How riots didn't occur against it after it happened is beyond me. My guess is English women came out with their whole "all muslims aren't terrorists" and "we're a welcoming country, we're better than judging all people on the actions of a few" bullshit. So I guess you can conclude the triggered, frothing protesters in DC right now as basically the same as the shitbags in England. Same delusions. Same self-destructive tendencies.
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Doesn't help a growing Muslim subgroup (benefits scroungers) have elbowed aside the old White Trash in council flats so parodied in the 80s-90s on TV and taken their place, expect they make a lot more children and preach hatred for the country. You can't go to any shopping mall or Tesco in big cities and not see like 20 ragheads pushing shopping carts with four kids in them. Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and Cameron ruined the country. I hope to see the day every shaven-headed soccer hooligan and pub regular in a football shirt with broken teeth and gold earrings goes out with cricket bats and brass knuckles and beats the living shit out of the police and trashes their local MPs office on live TV. The Irish had two deadly paramilitary forces that still exist and shot each other and English soldiers whenever they had to blow off some steam. The UK and Scotland needs the same. Let's get the Neds out there too, put the buckfast and fags done and go fucking kill people.
Very well said
Totally agree with you.
And the Traitorous politicians have the idiot Liberal Leftist Thought Police
Listening & Watching Everyone To report them should they dare to Speak
Out Against the Filthy Scumbag Muslims.
Seriously I’m looking forward to the Revolt
At 58 May I live long enough to see & join in.
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^^^^ this is what they brought into Great Britain. How riots didn't occur against it after it happened is beyond me. My guess is English women came out with their whole "all muslims aren't terrorists" and "we're a welcoming country, we're better than judging all people on the actions of a few" bullshit. So I guess you can conclude the triggered, frothing protesters in DC right now as basically the same as the shitbags in England. Same delusions. Same self-destructive tendencies.
And you have the likes of Howard / Prime / Straw etc etc the Liberal Leftists
That cannot & will not see The Truth & Facts Going on Right Before Their Eyes
FFS this Liberalism is Some form Of Brainwashed Mental Illness.