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Title: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: SF1900 on November 16, 2018, 09:16:27 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/11/16/judge-orders-trump-administration-to-restore-cnn-reporter-jim-acostas-white-house-press-pass.html


A federal judge on Friday granted CNN's request for a court order that would temporarily reinstate network correspondent Jim Acosta's White House press pass, which had been suspended indefinitely in the wake of a fiery exchange between the reporter and President Donald Trump a week earlier.

The ruling from Judge Timothy Kelly, who was appointed by Trump, gave CNN a victory in the ongoing case.

"I want to thank all of my colleagues in the press who supported us this week, and I want to thank the judge for the decision he made today," Acosta said outside U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Kwon on November 16, 2018, 09:23:41 AM
They should remove Timothy Kelly and Jim Acosta.


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Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 16, 2018, 09:41:28 AM
Simple solution. Don't call on his pompous ass during press briefings. He's an asshole. Fuck him
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: funk51 on November 16, 2018, 11:26:27 AM
did anyone ever hear any politician  in the last 20 years give a simple yes or no answer to a simple question requiring a yes or no answer.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 16, 2018, 11:33:53 AM
Simple solution. Don't call on his pompous ass during press briefings. He's an asshole. Fuck him
Even simpler, appeal the court order all the way to the Supreme Court.  Even if CNN wins it would be years down the line.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 16, 2018, 12:41:32 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/11/16/judge-orders-trump-administration-to-restore-cnn-reporter-jim-acostas-white-house-press-pass.html


A federal judge on Friday granted CNN's request for a court order that would temporarily reinstate network correspondent Jim Acosta's White House press pass, which had been suspended indefinitely in the wake of a fiery exchange between the reporter and President Donald Trump a week earlier.

The ruling from Judge Timothy Kelly, who was appointed by Trump, gave CNN a victory in the ongoing case.

"I want to thank all of my colleagues in the press who supported us this week, and I want to thank the judge for the decision he made today," Acosta said outside U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.


Freedom of the press survives....at least temporarily.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 16, 2018, 12:43:28 PM
Even simpler, appeal the court order all the way to the Supreme Court.  Even if CNN wins it would be years down the line.

And lot's of tax dollars wasted on nonsense. -Nothing new here!  >:(
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 16, 2018, 12:49:27 PM
Obama banned reporters. Reporters don't control the press conference. They don't control the amount of questions they can ask or the amount of time they have. If Jim Acosta think's he is in charge of the press conference the President won't hold press conferences. This is bad precedent where every reporter is fighting for air time to become a star won't concede the microphone. Tired of liberals.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 16, 2018, 01:48:31 PM
did anyone ever hear any politician  in the last 20 years give a simple yes or no answer to a simple question requiring a yes or no answer.

Good point Funk...
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: illuminati on November 16, 2018, 01:52:30 PM
Biased reporting of the cnn press survives....at least temporarily.

Fixed 👍🏻
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 16, 2018, 02:32:39 PM
Why does the left have to sue to exist in the normal world?
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 16, 2018, 02:34:59 PM
And lot's of tax dollars wasted on nonsense. -Nothing new here!  >:(
Just like the Russian collusion nonsense.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: OAK on November 16, 2018, 02:38:53 PM
How did this case get dealt with SO fast? It normally takes forever for an average person to move through the court system. Why is this CNN reporter so special?

Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 16, 2018, 02:50:39 PM
Fixed 👍🏻

If you believe CNN is biased, don't patronize it. There's always FOX News, which is also biased, just to the right instead of the left. For those who actually have an open mind, watch both or neither.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: pellius on November 16, 2018, 02:56:05 PM
Why is it a legal right to get access to the White House press conference?
I mean, if Trump wanted to he could just stop having these conferences altogether.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 16, 2018, 03:01:07 PM
He should do just that.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: chaos on November 16, 2018, 06:30:37 PM
Freedom of the press survives....at least temporarily.
Freedom of the press? What freedom was suppressed? Is Jim "I'm a bitchbaby" Acosta the only cnn reporter? What about all the reporters your hero Obama banned? Where was your fake ass outrage then? ::)

About the Obama era bans....
Quote
There was no sympathy from The White House.  “Hey, if reporters are going to try to undermine what the President is doing, we want to know about it,” a source close to The White House said.
“It’s a wise decision to ban reporters,” reportedly said former President, Bill Clinton.  “My second-term was negatively affected by that drummed-up Monica Lewinsky scandal.  It would be a shame if that happened to President Obama.  Reporters are part of the problem.”
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Disgusted on November 16, 2018, 06:31:47 PM
So how does a judge get to say who gets a pass?
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Moontrane on November 16, 2018, 06:48:17 PM
So how does a judge get to say who gets a pass?

I guess the judge will order DC Metro police to escort Acosta into the WH press briefing room.  And Secret Service will have to stand down.  I can't wait!
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: illuminati on November 16, 2018, 07:59:46 PM
If you believe CNN is biased, don't patronize it. There's always FOX News, which is also biased, just to the right instead of the left. For those who actually have an open mind, watch both or neither.

I don’t watch cnn or fox.

Though there’s no escaping the biased crap cnn put out as news
How much has their viewing figures dropped.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: illuminati on November 16, 2018, 08:08:03 PM
Freedom of the press survives....at least temporarily.



Hmmm okay
What about Obama routinely banned news photographers from official events. He went months between press conferences and used social media to circumvent reporters.

First lady Michelle Obama took policy trips overseas with no press on her airplane. The White House scrubbed public visitor logs of names it didn’t want in the news.

The Obama administration posted the worst record in history for fulfilling requests for public records under the Freedom of Information Act.

Anything to Say or It was Fine Because Obama was doing this
Its only Donald that is causing your outrage with this one ban ?
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on November 17, 2018, 03:17:26 AM
Freedom of the press survives....at least temporarily.

CNN didnt lose anything when Acosta got the boot. they had the option to send someone else. Acosta is an annoying girl that doesn't have a right to be invited to anything.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: chaos on November 17, 2018, 02:13:52 PM


Hmmm okay
What about Obama routinely banned news photographers from official events. He went months between press conferences and used social media to circumvent reporters.

First lady Michelle Obama took policy trips overseas with no press on her airplane. The White House scrubbed public visitor logs of names it didn’t want in the news.

The Obama administration posted the worst record in history for fulfilling requests for public records under the Freedom of Information Act.

Anything to Say or It was Fine Because Obama was doing this
Its only Donald that is causing your outrage with this one ban ?
This is where liberals will tell us to quit living in the past. They only want to drag up the past when it benefits their agenda.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 17, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Freedom of the press survives....at least temporarily.

LOL

What about everyone else in the room? Have you even seen the clip. Everyone around him is raising their hands wanting to ask a question but Jim pretends as though these other people don’t exist. It’s all about him.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 18, 2018, 11:20:00 AM
Freedom of the press? What freedom was suppressed? Is Jim "I'm a bitchbaby" Acosta the only cnn reporter? What about all the reporters your hero Obama banned? Where was your fake ass outrage then? ::)

About the Obama era bans....

What outrage? I find no evidence to support President Obama ever taking away any reporter's press pass. He did criticize the press for their cynicism and negativity, much as Trump has done.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 18, 2018, 11:24:12 AM


Hmmm okay
What about Obama routinely banned news photographers from official events. He went months between press conferences and used social media to circumvent reporters.

First lady Michelle Obama took policy trips overseas with no press on her airplane. The White House scrubbed public visitor logs of names it didn’t want in the news.

The Obama administration posted the worst record in history for fulfilling requests for public records under the Freedom of Information Act.

Anything to Say or It was Fine Because Obama was doing this
Its only Donald that is causing your outrage with this one ban ?

Obama didn't much like the press, but he didn't ban any reporters from press conferences. What outrage???
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: illuminati on November 18, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
Obama didn't much like the press, but he didn't ban any reporters from press conferences. What outrage???


That’s a wimpy reply.
Clearly everything Obuma did was okay by you.
It’s just what Trump does that is unpalatable for you.
 ::)

Biased or what.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 18, 2018, 12:45:32 PM

That’s a wimpy reply.
Clearly everything Obuma did was okay by you.
It’s just what Trump does that is unpalatable for you.
 ::)

Biased or what.

Why clearly everything...? It's no so much what Trump does as it is what he says and how he acts that is unpalatable to me.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: illuminati on November 18, 2018, 02:15:10 PM
Why clearly everything...? It's no so much what Trump does as it is what he says and how he acts that is unpalatable to me.

Why clearly - I don’t recall you ever being upset or moaning about anything Obuma has ever said or done
When he’s done very similar things as president.
Bit of a contradiction really.

At least you can admit you don’t like what Trump says & acts like.

Me I couldn’t stand the Limp wristed Faggott Obuma - He was far to weak
And to much like the other 2 Faggott clowns of France & Canada.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: chaos on November 18, 2018, 05:33:59 PM
What outrage? I find no evidence to support President Obama ever taking away any reporter's press pass. He did criticize the press for their cynicism and negativity, much as Trump has done.
???
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-banned-journalists/
Did your hero Obama take away anyones press pass? Maybe not, but he did repeatedly have reporters removed that wrote articles that were critical of him.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: illuminati on November 18, 2018, 06:18:15 PM
???
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-banned-journalists/
Did your hero Obama take away anyones press pass? Maybe not, but he did repeatedly have reporters removed that wrote articles that were critical of him.

No doubt according to Prime.
Ahh that’s okay because it’s Obuma
Nothing to get upset about & perfectly acceptable

Heaven help Donald if he does the same — OH the outrage.   ::)

Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Griffith on November 19, 2018, 04:45:00 AM
CNN is blatantly anti-Trump.

It's no wonder he has an issue with them.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: deadz on November 19, 2018, 06:54:50 AM
Acosta needs to be punched in his mouth.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Fortress on November 19, 2018, 10:24:22 AM
Do we have any bikini shots of the White House aide who was attempting to reclaim the mic from soycuck Jim?
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: deadz on November 19, 2018, 12:08:51 PM
Do we have any bikini shots of the White House aid who was attempting to reclaim the mic from soycuck Jim?
Was hoping for an up skirt while she was kneeling, didn’t happen.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: sarcafago on November 19, 2018, 12:32:26 PM
Why clearly everything...? It's no so much what Trump does as it is what he says and how he acts that is unpalatable to me.

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Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Fortress on November 19, 2018, 01:55:06 PM
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The fuck?

Nice helmet. No homo.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 20, 2018, 12:16:13 PM
Why clearly - I don’t recall you ever being upset or moaning about anything Obuma has ever said or done
When he’s done very similar things as president.
Bit of a contradiction really.

At least you can admit you don’t like what Trump says & acts like.

Me I couldn’t stand the Limp wristed Faggott Obuma - He was far to weak
And to much like the other 2 Faggott clowns of France & Canada.
 

You don't remember me being upset or complaining about Obama because I wasn't and didn't. One reason was because I was less interested in politics then. Another big reason is because I like President Obama; he has class and he speaks intelligently.

Why wouldn't I admit to not liking Trump's personality? Some of his policies, I disagree with or at least partly disagree with. We need tax reform, improvements in health care and to enforce laws that restrict illegal immigration, regardless of where the people come from.



Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 20, 2018, 12:22:58 PM
The fuck?

Nice helmet. No homo.

Yikes, I sure looked fat back then. I probably weighed close to 200 lbs. which is 25 - 30 lbs. more than I weigh today. That photo is 5 years old.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 20, 2018, 12:28:06 PM
???
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-banned-journalists/
Did your hero Obama take away anyones press pass? Maybe not, but he did repeatedly have reporters removed that wrote articles that were critical of him.

What I read is that he didn't grant them interviews if he felt they were too cynical and negative. He also held fewer press conferences. Perhaps because he didn't make a big boastful deal out of every little thing that happens.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: chaos on November 20, 2018, 05:13:50 PM
What I read is that he didn't grant them interviews if he felt they were too cynical and negative. He also held fewer press conferences. Perhaps because he didn't make a big boastful deal out of every little thing that happens.
Or is it because he was ranked one of the least transparent admins?

 
 Another big reason is because I like President Obama; he has class and he speaks intelligently.


LMAO!!! HAhahahahahaaa!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: AbrahamG on November 20, 2018, 06:01:30 PM
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Up the hcg.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Princess L on November 20, 2018, 07:03:01 PM
 

You don't remember me being upset or complaining about Obama because I wasn't and didn't. One reason was because I was less interested in politics then. Another big reason is because I like President Obama; he has class and he speaks intelligently.

Why wouldn't I admit to not liking Trump's personality? Some of his policies, I disagree with or at least partly disagree with. We need tax reform, improvements in health care and to enforce laws that restrict illegal immigration, regardless of where the people come from.



Only with a teleprompter  ::)  and that "class" you speak of  ::) is/was totally fake  ::)   All he cares/cared about was hobnobbing with celebrities and first class treatment from others kissing his ass  ::)

What I read is that he didn't grant them interviews if he felt they were too cynical and negative. He also held fewer press conferences. Perhaps because he didn't make a big boastful deal out of every little thing that happens.

Like hell he didn't!  Jumping the gun without facts multiple times!  "if I had a son..."  ::)

It is not a constitutional right the press be granted access to the White House.  ::)  This is not a freedom of the press situation  >:(
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: illuminati on November 20, 2018, 07:41:37 PM
 

You don't remember me being upset or complaining about Obama because I wasn't and didn't. One reason was because I was less interested in politics then. Another big reason is because I like President Obama; he has class and he speaks intelligently.

Why wouldn't I admit to not liking Trump's personality? Some of his policies, I disagree with or at least partly disagree with. We need tax reform, improvements in health care and to enforce laws that restrict illegal immigration, regardless of where the people come from.



As usual you manage to avoid the issue.
You carry on whining & complaining about Donald
It’s funny when you do & it’s about similar things that Obuma did.
I’ll say it again No Contradiction is There.

As for Obuma Having Class - oh jayzus  ::)
Speaking intelligently - 😂😂😂

Please keep the funny stuff coming.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 21, 2018, 12:09:58 PM
Only with a teleprompter  ::)  
It is not a constitutional right the press be granted access to the White House.  ::)  This is not a freedom of the press situation  >:(

According to Judge Timothy Kelly, who was appointed by Trump, a failure of due process (5th Amendment) in the decision to strip Acosta’s press pass, as well as the use of a doctored video to justify the action against Acosta were the basis for the temporary reinstatement. It has since been fully restored and CNN has dropped their lawsuit against the White House.

Whether or not it was an issue of freedom of the press is a matter of perspective.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 21, 2018, 12:16:59 PM

As for Obuma Having Class - oh jayzus  ::)
Speaking intelligently - 😂😂😂

Please keep the funny stuff coming.


You are entitled to your opinion. Other's differ.

13th January 2016
Why Barack Obama will be remembered as one of the greatest speakers of all time https://www.gingerpublicspeaking.com/article/why-barack-obama-will-be-remembered-as-one-of-the-greatest-speakers-of-all-time
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 21, 2018, 12:59:09 PM
That is laughable.  Obama was a terrible public speaker with his constant umms and uhhs and focusing on himself constantly.  Any person who has ever attended Toastmasters for any amount of time is a better public speaker.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: milone79 on November 21, 2018, 01:21:37 PM
How did this case get dealt with SO fast? It normally takes forever for an average person to move through the court system. Why is this CNN reporter so special?



THIS^^^
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: SF1900 on November 21, 2018, 01:27:36 PM
That is laughable.  Obama was a terrible public speaker with his constant umms and uhhs and focusing on himself constantly.  Any person who has ever attended Toastmasters for any amount of time is a better public speaker.

Most presidents are not good public speakers.

Being president does not automatically mean one has good speaking skills. It's an art, in and of itself. There are tons of people who are not involved in politics who are way better public speakers than most politicians.

HN, in your humble opinion, do you think Winston Churchill was a good public speaker?
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 21, 2018, 02:18:12 PM
I've seen very limited video of Churchill speeches but have seen a lot of his quotes.  I was responding to the article Primemuscle posted about Obama being a great speaker.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: SF1900 on November 21, 2018, 04:46:17 PM
I've seen very limited video of Churchill speeches but have seen a lot of his quotes.  I was responding to the article Primemuscle posted about Obama being a great speaker.

I know, I was just asking for your general opinion, broskie!
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Princess L on November 21, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
According to Judge Timothy Kelly, who was appointed by Trump, a failure of due process (5th Amendment) in the decision to strip Acosta’s press pass, as well as the use of a doctored video to justify the action against Acosta were the basis for the temporary reinstatement. It has since been fully restored and CNN has dropped their lawsuit against the White House.

Whether or not it was an issue of freedom of the press is a matter of perspective.

They can say or write anything they want.  Where is it written they can have privileged access inside the White House?
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Al Doggity on November 22, 2018, 12:10:45 AM
They can say or write anything they want.  Where is it written they can have privileged access inside the White House?

Once a reporter has an official security clearance, it can't just be arbitrarily suspended or revoked. You're right about one thing. This isn't an issue of freedom of the press. All of the examples that chaos posted on the previous page unwittingly prove that. Every administration has an adversarial relationship with some portion of the press, to some degree. This is an issue of due process. Just like a dmv clerk can't take away your license because you have an attitude, a gov't clearance can't be revoked arbitrarily. The white house never gave an official reason for why Acosta's pass should be revoked which was the basis for the lawsuit.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 22, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
They didn't even have these press conferences or press passes until the Kennedy administration and that was when the press acted like adults and not liberal hacks.  If I were Trump or any Republican I would just stop having them and let them print whatever they want which is what freedom of the press really covers.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: chaos on November 22, 2018, 08:11:53 AM
Once a reporter has an official security clearance, it can't just be arbitrarily suspended or revoked. You're right about one thing. This isn't an issue of freedom of the press. All of the examples that chaos posted on the previous page unwittingly prove that. Every administration has an adversarial relationship with some portion of the press, to some degree. This is an issue of due process. Just like a dmv clerk can't take away your license because you have an attitude, a gov't clearance can't be revoked arbitrarily. The white house never gave an official reason for why Acosta's pass should be revoked which was the basis for the lawsuit.
I think if they would have waited and suspended his pass temporarily while they did an investigation, allowing due process to take place, there would have been no chance for cnn to sue.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: pellius on November 22, 2018, 03:45:44 PM
Once a reporter has an official security clearance, it can't just be arbitrarily suspended or revoked. You're right about one thing. This isn't an issue of freedom of the press. All of the examples that chaos posted on the previous page unwittingly prove that. Every administration has an adversarial relationship with some portion of the press, to some degree. This is an issue of due process. Just like a dmv clerk can't take away your license because you have an attitude, a gov't clearance can't be revoked arbitrarily. The white house never gave an official reason for why Acosta's pass should be revoked which was the basis for the lawsuit.

I don't think those are valid analogies. A DMV clerk has no administrative authority to make that call. And to get a license you have to pass a test, pay a fee, and follow the law.  A government clearance can be revoked at any time and for any reason. I've had it done to me several times. I've had clearances for special projects when I was with the DOD taken away because they just didn't think I should have it anymore. It's just like an employer can, in real-world practice, fire you for any reason they want. Maybe they just don't want to pay you any more or they just don't like you. You can make a case if you can prove it was for sexual or gender discrimination but that's going to tough to prove since you were hired initially.

The President doesn't even have to have press conferences. Or he can give a conference, a speech, with no reporters at all. Acosta is continually disruptive and has no special right to be there.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Al Doggity on November 22, 2018, 04:51:47 PM
I don't think those are valid analogies. A DMV clerk has no administrative authority to make that call. And to get a license you have to pass a test, pay a fee, and follow the law.  A government clearance can be revoked at any time and for any reason. I've had it done to me several times. I've had clearances for special projects when I was with the DOD taken away because they just didn't think I should have it anymore. It's just like an employer can, in real-world practice, fire you for any reason they want. Maybe they just don't want to pay you any more or they just don't like you. You can make a case if you can prove it was for sexual or gender discrimination but that's going to tough to prove since you were hired initially.

The President doesn't even have to have press conferences. Or he can give a conference, a speech, with no reporters at all. Acosta is continually disruptive and has no special right to be there.

Almost everything about this is wrong. I don't even know where to start. Firstly, here is one passage directly from the code of federal regulations that addresses this:

Quote
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/409.1
In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges.

This is one of the regulations the judge addressed in his ruling. Not only are you wrong, but for some reason you are arguing against reality. Even if you don't know the reasons, you must be aware of how the lawsuit turned out. So what are you arguing the basis of the ruling was?

Yes, Trump can choose not to do press conferences or ignore any reporter he likes. He does that often.  Kinda makes you wonder why he engages with Acosta , doesn't it ? It's almost like he wanted to  goad Acosta into "violating" a rule and then accused him of the first thing that came close to looking like a violation ( even though the judge in the case acknowledged that it was complete bullshit  ::) ).
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: pellius on November 23, 2018, 12:27:18 AM
Almost everything about this is wrong. I don't even know where to start. Firstly, here is one passage directly from the code of federal regulations that addresses this:

This is one of the regulations the judge addressed in his ruling. Not only are you wrong, but for some reason you are arguing against reality. Even if you don't know the reasons, you must be aware of how the lawsuit turned out. So what are you arguing the basis of the ruling was?

Yes, Trump can choose not to do press conferences or ignore any reporter he likes. He does that often.  Kinda makes you wonder why he engages with Acosta , doesn't it ? It's almost like he wanted to  goad Acosta into "violating" a rule and then accused him of the first thing that came close to looking like a violation ( even though the judge in the case acknowledged that it was complete bullshit  ::) ).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/409.1
In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges.


Taking that statement without context seems to imply that everybody has the right to a press pass as long as you don't present a danger to the president. But I would ask that getting a security clearance from the Secret Service for a press pass does not necessarily mean you have a right to that pass. Is it the Secret Service that determines who gets to attend press conferences? Just like I may qualify for a security clearance to work on a specific project but that doesn't mean I will be hired or authorized to work on that project. This has happened to me as well. Getting a clearance to work in a specific lab was not an issue as it entailed the same criteria as the other projects I worked on. I was simply not chosen for the assignment and it was given to someone else.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Disgusted on November 23, 2018, 03:15:51 AM
Almost everything about this is wrong. I don't even know where to start. Firstly, here is one passage directly from the code of federal regulations that addresses this:

This is one of the regulations the judge addressed in his ruling. Not only are you wrong, but for some reason you are arguing against reality. Even if you don't know the reasons, you must be aware of how the lawsuit turned out. So what are you arguing the basis of the ruling was?

Yes, Trump can choose not to do press conferences or ignore any reporter he likes. He does that often.  Kinda makes you wonder why he engages with Acosta , doesn't it ? It's almost like he wanted to  goad Acosta into "violating" a rule and then accused him of the first thing that came close to looking like a violation ( even though the judge in the case acknowledged that it was complete bullshit  ::) ).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/409.1
In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges.


This does not apply. The reporter was not applying for an application as he already had one. He was being disruptive and told to sit down. In fact it could be argued that he was being combative. I've seen people thrown out of town hall meetings for less. This is a voluntary press confidence where the reporters got to ask questions, this is not a debate. This guy wouldn't not shut up and was being disruptive and by all accounts should have been removed earlier than he was. I don't care who the President is like him or not you never saw this kind of stuff years ago.   
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Al Doggity on November 24, 2018, 04:25:46 AM

This does not apply. The reporter was not applying for an application as he already had one. He was being disruptive and told to sit down. In fact it could be argued that he was being combative. I've seen people thrown out of town hall meetings for less. This is a voluntary press confidence where the reporters got to ask questions, this is not a debate. This guy wouldn't not shut up and was being disruptive and by all accounts should have been removed earlier than he was. I don't care who the President is like him or not you never saw this kind of stuff years ago.   

Then why do you suppose the trump administration didn't argue that? Why do you suppose Acosta's pass was temporarily reinstated and the White House backed down rather than continue with the lawsuit?
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Darren Avey on November 24, 2018, 04:48:04 AM
I will never get bored of Trump owning liberal bitch minds.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: dr.chimps on November 24, 2018, 04:53:31 AM
Then why do you suppose the trump administration didn't argue that? Why do you suppose Acosta's pass was temporarily reinstated and the White House backed down rather than continue with the lawsuit?

Our mod is a White, Oklahoman Mom:ffOR:White Hot Idiot TrumISM.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: chaos on November 24, 2018, 07:23:28 AM
Then why do you suppose the trump administration didn't argue that? Why do you suppose Acosta's pass was temporarily reinstated and the White House backed down rather than continue with the lawsuit?
I did read a story saying that the white house was going to pursue this after it gathered the facts and went about it the right way.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 24, 2018, 01:20:52 PM
I will never get bored of Trump owning liberal bitch minds.

We liberals never get bored of Trump making a fool of himself.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: thelamefalsehood on November 24, 2018, 01:32:19 PM
We liberals never get bored of Trump making a fool of himself.

And we conservatives never get tired of the sweet taste of liberal tears ;)
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 24, 2018, 02:06:18 PM
And we conservatives never get tired of the sweet taste of liberal tears ;)
X2
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Al Doggity on November 24, 2018, 03:31:30 PM
And we conservatives never get tired of the sweet taste of liberal tears ;)

Hmm  ::) ? Trump being legally forced to accept a "terrible person" back into  his home counts as owning liberals? Why is this thread filled with conservatives complaining about the outcome then? With standards this low, no wonder idiots think trump is a great president.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: chaos on November 24, 2018, 04:25:53 PM
Hmm  ::) ? Trump being legally forced to accept a "terrible person" back into  his home counts as owning liberals? Why is this thread filled with conservatives complaining about the outcome then? With standards this low, no wonder idiots think trump is a great president.
I suppose you would expect us to take to the streets and riot? Maybe strip naked and scream ay the sky? Perhaps stalk some people in their homes and threaten them?
Oh wait, that's liberals.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: thelamefalsehood on November 24, 2018, 05:42:21 PM
Hmm  ::) ? Trump being legally forced to accept a "terrible person" back into  his home counts as owning liberals? Why is this thread filled with conservatives complaining about the outcome then? With standards this low, no wonder idiots think trump is a great president.

I was replying to the old hippy lib Primemuscle. The next time I need advice on what Cheetos or Doritos are best I'll ask you ;)
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Disgusted on November 24, 2018, 07:22:13 PM
Then why do you suppose the trump administration didn't argue that? Why do you suppose Acosta's pass was temporarily reinstated and the White House backed down rather than continue with the lawsuit?

Not enough info. Was Acosta banned or CNN? Was it temporary or permanent? I would assume anyone who is disrupting a press hearing could be asked to leave. I have know idea how a supreme court judge could ever be involved in this type of matter.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: pellius on November 24, 2018, 09:50:36 PM
Our mod is a White, Oklahoman Mom:ffOR:White Hot Idiot TrumISM.

Just another angry bitter response from an angry bitter old man.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Al Doggity on November 24, 2018, 09:58:10 PM
Not enough info. Was Acosta banned or CNN? Was it temporary or permanent? I would assume anyone who is disrupting a press hearing could be asked to leave. I have know idea how a supreme court judge could ever be involved in this type of matter.

Yet that lack of info didn't stop you from complaining about the unfair outcome and weighing in on what legal tactics could and shouldn't be used. The reason Acosta's pass was reinstated and trump's white house backed down is not a secret or a mystery. Like I said, like the judge in the case said, like every article that covered this said, it was a matter of failing to follow due process. Anyone who is interested in getting around the lack of info could do so with a few mouse clicks.


I was replying to the old hippy lib Primemuscle. The next time I need advice on what Cheetos or Doritos are best I'll ask you ;)
And he was responding to someone who claimed a loss was somehow a win. Which is a recurring theme on this board. Somehow trumptards convince themselves that when he melts down, he's actually trolling or when he makes a fool of himself, he's owning minds. If you weren't in agreement with the point that preceded yours, then my bad.  Feel free to dm for advice or  requests. I cannot guarantee i'll respond in a timely manner.


I suppose you would expect us to take to the streets and riot? Maybe strip naked and scream ay the sky? Perhaps stalk some people in their homes and threaten them?
Oh wait, that's liberals.

Why would people who are "winning" and "owning minds" and "trolling" be expected to do any of these things? That was the point of the post.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 25, 2018, 01:02:16 AM
I suppose you would expect us to take to the streets and riot? Maybe strip naked and scream ay the sky? Perhaps stalk some people in their homes and threaten them?
Oh wait, that's liberals.

Yup, the modern day libtards are entertaining arent they? Not talking old-school Dem's now, Im talking modern/progressive/aggressive/pussyish modern day coward libtards.
A joke the whole world can laugh at.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: chaos on November 25, 2018, 07:48:58 AM
Just another angry bitter response from an angry bitter old man.
Yeah, he's become quite the nasty old geezer.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Primemuscle on November 25, 2018, 12:51:20 PM
And we conservatives never get tired of the sweet taste of liberal tears ;)

Do you see me crying?  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Disgusted on November 25, 2018, 07:04:39 PM
Yet that lack of info didn't stop you from complaining about the unfair outcome and weighing in on what legal tactics could and shouldn't be used. The reason Acosta's pass was reinstated and trump's white house backed down is not a secret or a mystery. Like I said, like the judge in the case said, like every article that covered this said, it was a matter of failing to follow due process. Anyone who is interested in getting around the lack of info could do so with a few mouse clicks.

And he was responding to someone who claimed a loss was somehow a win. Which is a recurring theme on this board. Somehow trumptards convince themselves that when he melts down, he's actually trolling or when he makes a fool of himself, he's owning minds. If you weren't in agreement with the point that preceded yours, then my bad.  Feel free to dm for advice or  requests. I cannot guarantee i'll respond in a timely manner.


Why would people who are "winning" and "owning minds" and "trolling" be expected to do any of these things? That was the point of the post.

I wasn't complaining  just pointing out what you posted was not correct but if you think  I was wrong I'm all ears Al.
Title: Re: Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White Hou
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 25, 2018, 09:16:55 PM
😂😂😂

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1060701009419296768?s=21