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any GBer's into mountaineering?
my friend is and he's done a few mountains but to attempt Everest is easily $50-100k he told me
what a rip off
a "sport" for rich people
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While the Sherpas do all the heavy lifting for $500.
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seriously, is that all the sherpas get paid?
the usual exploitation by rich people if its true
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https://www.economist.com/prospero/2015/12/11/the-price-the-sherpas-pay-for-westerners-to-climb-everest
. . . In the 60 years since the first ascent by Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay in 1953 more than 3,000 others have “summited” the world’s tallest mountain. In good years up to 600 people may reach the top, with Westerners paying up to $90,000 each for the privilege. The value this has for the Nepalese economy, one of the weakest in the region, is enormous. Tourism represented nearly 3% of the country’s GDP in 2013. In 2012, the government received $3.3m from Everest-climbing licenses alone. Many millions more were spent on hotels, restaurants, supplies and porters. And the tour operators are generous local employers. The average income in Nepal is around $700; Sherpas who climb Everest can make between $3,000 and $5,000 in a single season, more if they summit.
J
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I have heard that there are still a large number of deceased climbers up there who are never coming back.
Is it possible that there are still 200+ bodies up there or is that merely the number of people who died making the summit attempt.
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Most Westerners that pay to summit have no business up there. They aren't good enough climbers. Many die. The poor Sherpas have to risk their own lives to save them. A Sherpa can't come down and leave a live climber. Many Sherpas die too. The Sherpas set up the routes, ropes, camps, ladders, everything, and get paid f*** all.
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Nobody forced them to sherp for a living.
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Most Westerners that pay to summit have no business up there. They aren't good enough climbers. Many die. The poor Sherpas have to risk their own lives to save them. A Sherpa can't come down and leave a live climber. Many Sherpas die too. The Sherpas set up the routes, ropes, camps, ladders, everything, and get paid f*** all.
That's actually not even remotely true.
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Can I pay the Sherpas to carry me to the top? I would rather just climb the last couple hundred feet. Same goes for the descent. :D
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A taper and jointer on my site has done it....
He paid £10k.
He was on the TV (ITV UK) with Victora Pendleton (olympic athlete) not so long back during the climb.
Apparently after a certain point you are told; no one is coming for you if you get hurt, you're on your own from here on....as they walked passed the odd frozen corpse.
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$35,000 to $100,000
http://business.time.com/2012/01/23/the-economics-of-everest/
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A taper and jointer on my site has done it....
He paid £10k.
He was on the TV (ITV UK) with Victora Pendleton (olympic athlete) not so long back during the climb.
Apparently after a certain point you are told; no one is coming for you if you get hurt, you're on your own from here on....as they walked passed the odd frozen corpse.
10000 pounds is alot less than 100000 dollars.
Who is wrong?
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Mountain climbing 👎
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I have heard that there are still a large number of deceased climbers up there who are never coming back.
Is it possible that there are still 200+ bodies up there or is that merely the number of people who died making the summit attempt.
Frozen fucks littered all over that mountain, yeah.
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Nobody forced them to sherp for a living.
A sherp gotta sherpa.
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10000 pounds is alot less than 100000 dollars.
Who is wrong?
Well I saw pictures and footage of Kevin during the climb....
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Can I just take a helicopter to the top?
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Sadly know.. Air is so thin the helicopter blades can get enough lift. Maybe you could skydive and parachute to the top. ;D. Then ski down. Getbigger style!
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Seems like a waste of money to me.... I can think of many destinations a lot more fun and attractive then vainly trying to stand on top of some mountain...
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Seems like a waste of money to me.... I can think of many destinations a lot more fun and attractive then vainly trying to stand on top of some mountain...
Rocky just ran up the fucker in a toque like a boss! Then he started angrily screaming Drago’s name, and Drago was like, Holy fuck! The dude just climbed Everest in a toque and is screaming my name! Maybe I should indefinitely postpone this fight!
Then Rock went back to the barn and hammered out some more shoulder presses with a cart full of hangers-on.
And then that night Adrian sucked his Italian “stallion”.
I saw the documentary.
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No sure about this, but didn't a blind climber reach the top with a Sherpa's assistance recently?
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No sure about this, but didn't a blind climber reach the top with a Sherpa's assistance recently?
Raggedy tiny Sherpa feller probably carried the corporate fat cat.
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TWADDLE, Those final couple of hundred feet before you reach the top of EVEREST contains HILLERY's STEP (a narrow climb to the top in which only one climber can climb at a time) and is now more difficult since it was destroyed by that big earthquake a couple of years ago.
I suggest you have your Sherpa take you all the way to the top.
Are you planning to make the decent on your own?
And if I recall correctly ... a few years ago there were a number of climbers at the top which caused a delay while descending the STEPS.
And that delay was the initial cause of a number of those descending climbers to get lost in a white-out that prevented them from reaching the safety of their base camp.
One climber fell off a cliff on his/her way down and another (BECK WEATHERS) passed out somewhat close to base camp and was later found by a base camp search party only to be thought to be dead and left in place.
The interesting thing is that he did manage to survive and somehow managed to get to the base camp alive ... but definitely not well.
I think that book was "INTO THIN AIR!" but I could be wrong as I have read more than a couple of Mt Everest books.
Here is HILLERY's STEP which was taken before the eathquake occured!
Gotta find a photo of how Hillery's Step looks today after that quake did some damage!
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Frozen fucks littered all over that mountain, yeah.
They're actually used as markers for the climbers.
J
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They're actually used as markers for the climbers.
J
Or if you need an extra boot or whatnot.
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They're actually used as markers for the climbers.
J
I knew there were quite a few bodies (still wearing their original gear) on the mountain, but do they really use them as markers? Pretty morbid, but I'd honestly assume the climbers would want it that way.
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Interesting! I did not know that, JAGO.
There are a number of great books that some GetBiggers may be interested in regarding the climb to the top of the world.
Here are a few which I suggest:
TOUCHING MY FATHER’s SOUL provides insight into the culture and beliefs of the Sherpas, as well as the 1996 expedition that went so horribly wrong.
INTO THIN AIR about that disastrous day in May 1996, when eight climbers died in a blizzard near the summit.
THE CLIMB … A response to some accusations made in the book INTO THIN AIR.
NO SUMMIT OUT OF SIGHT … A controversial book by a 13 year old who climbed to the top. I believe that the controversy is that he was only 13.
INTO THE SILENCE ... ??
LEFT FOR DEAD … BY Beck Weathers who was left for dead in the 1996 climb.
DEAD LUCKY .. Another book which I believe was written by Beck Weathers.
A lot of controversy and accusations in these books regarding that May 1996 catastrophy!
Good reads!
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DIABLO, YSS, it is possible to take a helicopter ride to the top of Everest ....
ACCORDING TO NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.com ....The record for the highest helicopter landing was shattered in 2005 when test pilot Didier Delsalle landed his turbo engine AS350 B3 helicopter on the top of Mount Everest.
The best time to make that trip would be two weeks in May ... but I have no idea as to whom you would contact to make a reservation nor do I know what two weeks in May are best.
Nor do I know if it would be cheaper to fly there tnan to walk/climb there.
Nor how many days either mode of transportation would take.
One day via helicopter? Several weeks on foot?
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Use to be incredibly dangerous and so physically hard the climbers were top athletes in their climbing. Now the tech is making it so chubby soccer moms can do it. Next thing you know they will have an escalator to the top with stops at McDonalds along the accent.
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Use to be incredibly dangerous and so physically hard the climbers where top athletes in their climbing. Now the tech is making it so chubby soccer moms can do it. Next thing you know they will have an escalator to the top with stops at McDonalds along the accent.
I think that's a little bit of hyperbole. Everest is grueling and not for novices.
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Use to be incredibly dangerous and so physically hard the climbers where top athletes in their climbing. Now the tech is making it so chubby soccer moms can do it. Next thing you know they will have an escalator to the top with stops at McDonalds along the accent.
Staying alive has become easier,maybe. Modern materials like gortex, waterproof down and such. But what tech has made it easier to climb?
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http://altereddimensions.net/2012/dead-bodies-on-mount-everest (http://altereddimensions.net/2012/dead-bodies-on-mount-everest)
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I have heard that there are still a large number of deceased climbers up there who are never coming back.
Is it possible that there are still 200+ bodies up there or is that merely the number of people who died making the summit attempt.
yes the bodies are still there
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At $100,000 you didn't climb Everest, you visited it.
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You know no black person went up there cause all those frozen bodies still have boots on
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Staying alive has become easier,maybe. Modern materials like gortex, waterproof down and such. But what tech has made it easier to climb?
GPS tracking to take the easiest routes. They basically winged it back then. Warmer clothing. Better foot wear. Supplies and gear being pre dropped off at different points. Paying more people to carry your gear to the top.
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I watched a documentary about mountaineering. The getbigger of mountaineering (forget his name) said that Everest is for pussies who like to brag about being a climber, real men climb K2.
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http://altereddimensions.net/2012/dead-bodies-on-mount-everest (http://altereddimensions.net/2012/dead-bodies-on-mount-everest)
Did they get a refund?
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I watched a program all day some years ago and had/have a desire to do it. I think it would be awesome.
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Staying alive has become easier,maybe. Modern materials like gortex, waterproof down and such. But what tech has made it easier to climb?
It has nothing to do with cold weather....its the altitude that will kill you. You are up 30k feet. Man was not meant to survive at that heights. Sherpas are there because they adapted to those highs living their since B.C. However, even they can get fucked.
Things that can fucking kill you on Mt Everest Other Than Freezing:
Avalanche
Injury from fall
Ice collapse
Oxygen tank depleted if you use them (most do)
Brain hemorrhage
Mountain sickness
Getting crushed under the serec or crevice
Heart Attack
Suspended upside down for too long
Exhaustion
Drowning (Yes you can drown)
Cerebral Edema (HACE)
Dehydration
Cerebral apoplexy
Stroke
HAPE (High Altitude Puluminary Edema)
And you can still freeze to death. You can spend 50k to attempt it but dying is absolutely free with your purchase. Only fucktards climb mountains
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I watched a documentary about mountaineering. The getbigger of mountaineering (forget his name) said that Everest is for pussies who like to brag about being a climber, real men climb K2.
Getbiggers can climb the highest mountains with one arm and one leg.
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The icefall from base camp to camp 1 is a dodgy section because of the falling ice.
Climbers pass through 11 times or something on a trip but sherpas do it 50 times or something crazy as they move gear and fix ropes and many sherpas get taken out in that spot.
There was a massive blowup between climbers and sherpas not to long ago. Sherpas were fixing ropes and a climber came up and wanted to go past. They told him to go back, dude got pissed off, they got pissed off and then it was almost a riot at base camp.
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Nobody forced them to sherp for a living.
Exactly. People who claim that others are underpaid simply do not understand economics and the free market.
Everybody always wants to pay less. Everybody always want to be paid more. When a transaction is agreed to it's because that is the best deal they could find. A sherpa can ask for $1,000 dollars and you are free to pay it, but if another sherpa offers his service for $500 you should be free to pay that as well.
People complain about cashiers making squat at their jobs but those complainers are free to toss them a few extra bucks for their hard work. This poor girl at the Dairy Queen in the mall was working her butt off so I was happy to put an extra fiver in her hand for being so polite under so much stress. More people should do this instead of complaining about what they think OTHERS should pay.
BTW, Oreo Royal Blizzard at DQ is amazing!
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It has nothing to do with cold weather....its the altitude that will kill you. You are up 30k feet. Man was not meant to survive at that heights. Sherpas are there because they adapted to those highs living their since B.C. However, even they can get fucked.
Things that can fucking kill you on Mt Everest Other Than Freezing:
Avalanche
Injury from fall
Ice collapse
Oxygen tank depleted if you use them (most do)
Brain hemorrhage
Mountain sickness
Getting crushed under the serec or crevice
Heart Attack
Suspended upside down for too long
Exhaustion
Drowning (Yes you can drown)
Cerebral Edema (HACE)
Dehydration
Cerebral apoplexy
Stroke
HAPE (High Altitude Puluminary Edema)
And you can still freeze to death. You can spend 50k to attempt it but dying is absolutely free with your purchase. Only fucktards climb mountains
I was replying to the comment that modern technology has made it easier. I was asking for an example of what and how, not this useless info.
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Do you think there more casulties going up or coming down?
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Rather do free styling rock climbing
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Sometimes you get the elevator, sometimes you get the Sherpa
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PELLIUS, Going up or going down casualties!
Interesting question!
But it appears at first glance that casualties going down is the winner.
This is based on the supposedly fact that too damn many climbers reach the top at the same time on the same day which causes a delay while heading back down within the immediate vicinity of Hillery's Step in which each 'descender' must traverse individually.
I believe that was one of the major factors involved in that 1996 catastrophy .... as those at the top could not get down fast enough to avoid the oncoming storm which caused a white-out and the eventual death of many. (8 ... I believe it was?)
I believe that it was this catastrophy that caused a number of 'rules' which limited the number of climbers who could 'visit ' the summit at any one time.
And ... An avalanche caused the death of a number of Sherpers but I don't know if they were going up or going down.
I'm sure that here must be some accurate statistics of Everest interest someplace on this here internet.
I assume that you all realize that there is only a two week window during the month of May in which a successful summit is recommended.
So it's possible to get pretty damn crowded up there!
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As expected ... there is a web-sitr that collects Everest Climb statistics.
If interested go to ...climbing@alanarnette.com and also check out the link to the HIMALAYAN Stats which contain an immense amount of up to date details.
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Do you think there more casulties going up or coming down?
If its deaths due to the person giving up rather than an act of nature, then itd be down.
One of the climbers in a doco had a good saying, getting to the top is optional but getting down is compulsory.
People push hard to get to the top leaving nothing to get back down so they die coming back, usually near the top. It's all sorts of fucked up, lack of oxygen and altitude sends them batty so those people are not thinking normally.
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Paying thousands of pounds to do something with a high chance of killing you is the height of stupidity
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Paying thousands of pounds to do something with a high chance of killing you is the height of stupidity
You pick up one of your dads weights. You start going to your school gym. You join powerhouse and start posting on getbig. You buy a thong and oil up for stage to win a trophy.
You go for a hike at the local park. You go climb the nearest mountain. You drive cross country to hike a bigger mountain. You find yourself taking on Everest.
Its not stupid,sometimes people get caught up in progression. Its human nature.
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PELLIUS, Going up or going down casualties!
Interesting question!
But it appears at first glance that casualties going down is the winner.
This is based on the supposedly fact that too damn many climbers reach the top at the same time on the same day which causes a delay while heading back down within the immediate vicinity of Hillery's Step in which each 'descender' must traverse individually.
I believe that was one of the major factors involved in that 1996 catastrophy .... as those at the top could not get down fast enough to avoid the oncoming storm which caused a white-out and the eventual death of many. (8 ... I believe it was?)
I believe that it was this catastrophy that caused a number of 'rules' which limited the number of climbers who could 'visit ' the summit at any one time.
And ... An avalanche caused the death of a number of Sherpers but I don't know if they were going up or going down.
I'm sure that here must be some accurate statistics of Everest interest someplace on this here internet.
I assume that you all realize that there is only a two week window during the month of May in which a successful summit is recommended.
So it's possible to get pretty damn crowded up there!
I would guess there would be more casualties going down than climbing up. Seems like there is more of a chance to slip and fall going down. I mean, stairs is a similar example. You never hear of anybody falling upstairs and if you do you'd probably just drop to your knee. When you fall downstairs you go tumbling down. I figure it's similar to climbing a hill.
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You get into trouble on the descent because you use all of your reserves to make the summit. As the summit gets closer you tap into everything you have to make the objective. If you push past your absolute reserves, you have nothing left for the descent and you're still at 29,000 feet and it's 20 below zero.
That's what I've heard more than one high altitude climber say.
The higher you climb the farther you can see.
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Can I pay the Sherpas to carry me to the top? I would rather just climb the last couple hundred feet. Same goes for the descent. :D
Reminds me of when Homer hit the gym and got into shape eating PowerSauce[TM] Bars, then climbed The Murderhorn - half way up he wakes up to find the Sherpa's dragging him up the mountain.... ;D
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Fly to top with helicopter :D