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On Friday, Freedom Caucus member Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, said President Trump should let the Democrats keep the government shutdown until “hell freezes over” or they agree to fund the wall.
In an interview on Fox News, Gohmert reminded the audience that the government is not really “shut down” in the way most media headlines suggest.
“We already appropriated 75 percent of the government’s funding, so when people talk about a shutdown, it’s really only a part of 25 percent, only a part, because the essential workers are the only ones that come,” Gohmert said. “Now there’s some of us that say, let’s make notes of which ones are essential and which ones aren’t and then let the nonessential go.”
Turning to the question of border security, Gohmert was asked if incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and the rest of the Democrats who refuse to fund a border security wall are responsible for the harm that comes to migrants seeking to take advantage of the United States’ weak borders.
Gohmert, a former Texas state judge, noted that in American civil law a party can be liable for harm to others for creating an “attractive nuisance.” He used the example of a child who wanders into a swimming pool and drowns because there was no fence around it. The owner of the pool would be liable for harm inflicted by his negligence in refusing to put up a fence. Gohmert said Democrats should be liable for the harm that comes to migrants attempting to cross the unsecured American border.
“I don’t know that there’s going to be an apology, but [Democrats] sure do owe one,” Gohmert said.
“Now to them, this is all about politics. ‘Gee, if we can just keep a wall from being built, then Trump loses the next election.’ Well, he may not, if he stands firm and it’s clear they’re the ones that are not protecting America,” he continued.
Asked how long the government should stay closed, Gohmert again noted it’s only partially closed and said it should remain so “’till hell freezes over.”
“Because we owe it to our country, and the best thing we can do compassionately for Mexico, for Central America, is not give them money that ends up in the hands of the drug cartels; it’s to secure the border so the drugs quit coming and we don’t lose 70,000 more lives a year, and Mexico becomes a top 10 economy because we drop the corruption. That’s compassion.”
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/gop-rep-louie-gohmert-keep-the-government-shut-down-till-hell-freezes-over/ :) :)
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That sounds like a great idea to me
I'm sure dumb Louie doesn't have any constituents that are being effected
Is Congress, The White House and their staff still getting paid during the shutdown
I assume not
very brave of Louie and his staff to go without pay for the duration....however long it takes
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That sounds like a great idea to me
I'm sure dumb Louie doesn't have any constituents that are being effected
Is Congress, The White House and their staff still getting paid during the shutdown
I assume not
very brave of Louie and his staff to go without pay for the duration....however long it takes
Oh the irony
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Oh the irony
yes, it's so ironic that someone made a grammatical error on a message board
that never happens (I know you have never done it before)
Any word if dumb Louie and his staff are still collecting a check while the government is shut down?
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The Dems will cave. They don’t wanna let it become apparent that most of their big government model is not needed.
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The Dems will cave. They don’t wanna let it become apparent that most of their big government model is not needed.
With no signs from the Capitol or the White House about a potential budget deal, the shutdown is expected to extend into next year. CNBC
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With no signs from the Capitol or the White House about a potential budget deal, the shutdown is expected to extend into next year. CNBC
It’s December 28. Until next year means through the weekend.
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Uh oh, this means the potholes won't be filled.
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It’s December 28. Until next year means through the weekend.
I'm old, but no so old that I don't know when the new year begins. ;) Anyway, there is nothing magic about January 1st with regards to the shutdown. Congress reconvenes on January 3rd which also doesn't guarantee action on the shutdown.
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Trump threatens to close 'Southern Border entirely' if Dems don't fund wall
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President Trump on Friday threatened to "close the Southern Border entirely" if Democrats do not agree to provide money to "finish" building a wall on the Mexican border.
Trump made the threat as a partial government shutdown enters its seventh day with no end in sight.
The shutdown began on Saturday after Democrats rejected demands from Trump that $5 billion be included for the wall in a measure to keep the government open.
"We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with," the president tweeted.
He also criticized past presidents and Congresses over the nation's current immigration laws.
"Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!"
The tweet was one of several Trump wrote on Friday morning as the shutdown increasingly looked like it could drag well into 2019.
Trump in a second tweet tied the fight over the wall to another of his signature issues: trade. He said the U.S. was losing money through the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and that closing the border would be a "profit making operation."
The U.S runs a trade deficit with Mexico, but outside observers have said that closing the border could cause economic chaos given the amount of trade and people who legally cross the border every day.
According to a report earlier this month by CBS News, about $558 billion in goods flowed across the border in both directions last year. It found that the U.S. exported $243.3 billion in goods across the border along with $58 billion in services.
Nearly a half million people enter the US. each day at various entry points on the southern border, according to a Wilson Center report cited by CBS.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/423082-trump-threatens-to-close-southern-border-entirely-if-dems-dont-fund%3famp
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That sounds like a great idea to me
I'm sure dumb Louie doesn't have any constituents that are being effected
Is Congress, The White House and their staff still getting paid during the shutdown
I assume not
very brave of Louie and his staff to go without pay for the duration....however long it takes
IMO none of them should be getting paid while this is going on and every single one of them should be taking a permanent pay cut.
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The Dems will cave. They don’t wanna let it become apparent that most of their big government model is not needed.
Please explain why they will cave. They won't. Absolutely no incentive to, as Trump is the dumbass that fucked up in his meeting with them saying he will own the shutdown. Dems will pass legislation to start the government up when they take control of the house next week anyway. Mr. Art of the Deal hahaha. Art of being a complete fucking dumb ass.
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yes, it's so ironic that someone made a grammatical error on a message board
that never happens (I know you have never done it before)
Any word if dumb Louie and his staff are still collecting a check while the government is shut down?
Spelling not grammar.
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Spelling not grammar.
;D
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Please explain why they will cave. They won't. Absolutely no incentive to, as Trump is the dumbass that fucked up in his meeting with them saying he will own the shutdown. Dems will pass legislation to start the government up when they take control of the house next week anyway. Mr. Art of the Deal hahaha. Art of being a complete fucking dumb ass.
As I said, the Dems are the party of big government. The longer this drags on, the more it becomes obvious that most of the bureaucracy isn’t needed.
This isn’t gonna help Chuck & Nancy:
Suspected cop-killer captured in California, officials blame sanctuary law
https://nypost.com/2018/12/28/suspected-cop-killer-captured-in-california-officials-blame-sanctuary-law/
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Man, does anyone who voted for Trump not want the wall? I voted for him and I don’t want it. Maybe a border fence along the whole thing and extra border patrol, but the wall just looks stupid. If we just keep turning them away and turn up the heat on those who employ illegals, that would take care of the problem in my opinion. Find and deport all illegals with criminal records and then find a way to keep the ones who will legitimately add to our economy. No more “sanctuary cities” or any of that shit. Kick those mayors out of office. This problem can be fixed without a big ugly wall.
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why didn't Mr Trump get funding for his wall while the Republican Party in total power?
Surly the energy that delivered the tax cuts could also deliver the wall funds?
The history of walls put up to keep others out is poor, they work better were both sides want a wall.
As it is unlikely the US will spend such money on a wall it is always available as a tub thumping distraction to be used by Mr Trump then he gets defensive
He needed 60 votes from the senate, which he doesn’t have. Not agreeing or disagreeing with what you’ve said, I’m just pointing out the “why” it didn’t get done.
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Man, does anyone who voted for Trump not want the wall? I voted for him and I don’t want it. Maybe a border fence along the whole thing and extra border patrol, but the wall just looks stupid. If we just keep turning them away and turn up the heat on those who employ illegals, that would take care of the problem in my opinion. Find and deport all illegals with criminal records and then find a way to keep the ones who will legitimately add to our economy. No more “sanctuary cities” or any of that shit. Kick those mayors out of office. This problem can be fixed without a big ugly wall.
It wasn’t one of my primary issues which were taxes, regulations, and not getting involved in stupid fucking wars in the Middle East.
That said, I don’t see any reason to not do it. Big walls do make for good neighbors. The spending part is a non issue. The biggest driver of debt is the social programs, Social Security and Medicare, and the Dems obviously don’t want to do anything about those two. So their opposition on the basis of fiscal responsibility is bullshit.
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IMO none of them should be getting paid while this is going on and every single one of them should be taking a permanent pay cut.
you and I finally agree on something
not only should congress and their staff and all white house staff should not be paid they should also not get back pay when the shutdown is over
Also, if Trump wants money for his wall all he needs to do is get Mexico to pay for it....just like he said repeatedly on the campaign trail
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Man, does anyone who voted for Trump not want the wall? I voted for him and I don’t want it. Maybe a border fence along the whole thing and extra border patrol, but the wall just looks stupid. If we just keep turning them away and turn up the heat on those who employ illegals, that would take care of the problem in my opinion. Find and deport all illegals with criminal records and then find a way to keep the ones who will legitimately add to our economy. No more “sanctuary cities” or any of that shit. Kick those mayors out of office. This problem can be fixed without a big ugly wall.
Maybe you should move to Southern California for a while? Wall/fence, whatever you want to call it, we need one. We also need an increase in personnel, change in the rules of engagement and an immigration policy overhaul.
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Maybe you should move to Southern California for a while? Wall/fence, whatever you want to call it, we need one. We also need an increase in personnel, change in the rules of engagement and an immigration policy overhaul.
I can say that the last couple of times I visited Southern California it seemed like I was in a foreign country. It's not at all the same place where I grew up and lived. Several years ago, coming home from Germany my wife and I went through customs at LAX. There seemed to be almost no one working there who spoke English and those that did had Asian accents. L.A. is very definitely a melting pot of people from all over the world.
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Trump Issues Executive Order Freezing Pay Rate for Federal Workers
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An executive order was issued on Friday by President Trump freezing federal workers’ pay for the 2019 year. This follows through on a pledge from earlier this year to get rid of an across-the-board pay increase among workers.
In August, Trump had announced he would cancel the 2.1% pay increase starting January due to “serious economic conditions.”
The Hill reported the order also cancels the “locality pay increase,” which adjusts paychecks based on the region of the country where workers are posted. The order however does not impact the 2.6% pay raise for military in 2019 because it was part of a defense spending bill Trump signed in August.
This announcement comes as the partial government shutdown enters its second week, with hundreds of thousands of federal employees entering the new year with furloughed or working without pay. Trump said the government will remain shutdown until he gets $5 billion for the wall from Democrats.
The executive order affects most of the 2.1 million federal employees around the nation, about 1.7 million of which live in areas outside of the Washington, D.C., metro area, The Hill reported.
The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), the U.S.’s largest union representing federal workers, asked Congress to reconsider the Senate’s pay proposal plan which included 1.9% pay bump in its spending plans for the next year.
AFGE’s National President J. David Cox Sr. says that Trump’s plan is a snub to federal workers.
“President Trump’s plan to freeze wages for these patriotic workers next year ignores the fact that they are worse off today financially than they were at the start of the decade,” said Cox, in a statement obtained by The Hill. “Federal employees have had their pay and benefits cut by over $200 billion since 2011, and they are earning nearly 5 percent less today than they did at the start of the decade.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/trump-issues-executive-order-freezing-211915805.html
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you and I finally agree on something
not only should congress and their staff and all white house staff should not be paid they should also not get back pay when the shutdown is over
Also, if Trump wants money for his wall all he needs to do is get Mexico to pay for it....just like he said repeatedly on the campaign trail
Is that your only hangup? That's what you've been spouting over and over. You agree a wall is needed, it's just a matter of who pays for it? ::)
Dems seemED to agree before Trump came along. ::)
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Spelling not grammar.
it absolutely could be a spelling error (go back and look - if you care - which I assume you don't because who the fuck does)
I'm just a random anonymous person on an obscure message board
It's not like I ever made a moronic comment such as "I know words, I have the best words"
It's not like I'm the POTUS making both grammatical and spelling errors on a daily basis on forum like Twitter that is read by millions of people every day
That shit our weird friend and so called moderator absolutely crazy....assuming he actually cares about such things
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He needed 60 votes from the senate, which he doesn’t have. Not agreeing or disagreeing with what you’ve said, I’m just pointing out the “why” it didn’t get done.
they also probably assumed there was no need for the US Taxpayer to pay for it when Trump said over and over and over again that Mexico was going to pay for it
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Is that your only hangup? That's what you've been spouting over and over. You agree a wall is needed, it's just a matter of who pays for it? ::)
Dems seemED to agree before Trump came along. ::)
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His only hang up is that Trump wants it and not one of his demoncrat heroes.
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Love how the IRS says they won't be sending refunds, but you can surely send them what you owe.
Trump could re-start a TEA revolution with one sentence on Twitter right now.
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Trump says he will be 'proud' to shut down the government for YEARS if he doesn't get his Mexican wall and says he might declare a NATIONAL EMERGENCY to build it as 'contentious' White House talks end in stalemate
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Donald Trump told Congressional leaders Friday that he will shut down the government for 'months or even years' if he does not get money for his border wall with Mexico — and said he was 'proud' to do it because it's the right thing.
Trump's threat was first disclosed by Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, during a news conference outside the White House. He accused the president of holding federal workers 'hostage' for the wall and urged him to continue the conversation with the government open.
The president confirmed the remarks as he addressed reporters in the Rose Garden.
'I did. I did. I did say that. Absolutely, I said that. I don’t think it will, but I am prepared,' Trump said at the beginning of a lengthy news conference.
Trump claimed the meeting was 'very, very productive,' which was a stark contrast to the tone adopted by Democratic leaders, and said that he was setting up a working group led by Mike Pence, the vice president that would meet this weekend to discuss how to move forward on the shutdown.
He headed to the Rose Garden after the meeting for an impromptu press conference flanked by Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, Pence, Republican Minority Whip Steve Scalise and Republican Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.
Mitch McConnell, the Republican Senate leader had been present for the talks but was not at the press conference. Trump claimed he was 'busy running the Senate,' even though it had adjourned until Tuesday.
Trump described his wall as a vital national security measure, and in a free-wheeling performance claimed that illegal immigrants were being driven across it away from ports of entries, in some cases with women in the back of their vehicles with their mouths taped over.
The president also disclosed that he had considered declaring a national emergency to build the wall without legislative approval and said: 'I can do it, if I want.'
'We can call a national emergency because of the security of our country. Absolutely. No, we can do it. I haven’t done it. I may do it,' he said. 'We can call a national emergency and build it very quickly.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6558117/Pence-suggests-DACA-table-theres-no-wall-no-deal-Dems-made.html
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The Latest: Trump to address nation about ‘crisis’ at wall
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on the government shutdown (all times local):
1:55 p.m.
President Donald Trump says he will address the nation Tuesday night about what says is a “crisis” at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Trump’s prime-time address will come amid a partial government shutdown caused by his insistence that Congress give him more than $5 billion to build a wall on the border. Congressional Democrats are refusing to pay for a wall.
Trump also plans a trip Thursday to the southern border to highlight his demands for the wall.
Trump tweets that he will address the nation at 9 p.m. Eastern time Tuesday.
https://apnews.com/8c28136a72b343dcac2edec3c8198413?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP
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Love how the IRS says they won't be sending refunds, but you can surely send them what you owe.
Trump could re-start a TEA revolution with one sentence on Twitter right now.
One thing for sure, do not file your taxes until the deadline if you underpaid. Conversely when the IRS owes you a return, file them the very first day possible.
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Trump: 'May declare a national emergency' to build wall
Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump said Sunday that he might declare a national emergency imminently to secure money for his border wall.
"I may declare a national emergency dependent on what's going to happen over the next few days," Trump told reporters as he left the White House for Camp David.
A White House official told CNN on Saturday that Trump was leaning toward declaring a national emergency to use military funding for his wall. Trump has demanded Congress appropriate money for the wall, and his dispute with Democrats over the issue pushed the government into an ongoing partial shutdown.
Maryland's Democratic senators, Ben Cardin and Chris Van Hollen, meanwhile, on Sunday called for not taking up any legislation not related to ending the shutdown.
"Senate Democrats should block consideration of any bills unrelated to opening the government until Sen. Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans allow a vote on the bipartisan bills the House passed to open the government," Van Hollen tweeted.
Vice President Mike Pence held a meeting with congressional leadership staff on Sunday afternoon, but after the meeting there was little indication they were getting close to a deal to reopen the government.
During Sunday's meeting, a letter from Acting Budget Director Russell Vought was handed to the congressional staff officially outlining some of the new requests for money on top of what's already been included in the Senate's FY 2019 bill. It included:
-- $5.7 billion for what is now called a "steel barrier" for the Southwest Border (which is an increase of $4.1 billion over the Senate funding). The letter says: "Central to any strategy to achieve operational control along the southern border is a physical infrastructure to provide requisite impedance and denial.";
-- $800 million to address "urgent humanitarian needs," such as additional funding for enhanced medical support and additional temporary facilities for processing and short-term custody of migrants taken into custody;
-- Additional $798 million for more detention beds — bringing the total request to $4.2 billion for 52,000 detention beds, citing an increase of people attempting to cross the border;
-- $571 million for an additional 2,000 law enforcement personnel;
The letter also includes a new policy proposal put forward by Democrats. The proposal, which appears similar to one rolled out during the Obama administration, would allow for in-country asylum processing for Central American minors. The letter notes that additional statutory change "would be required to ensure that those who circumvent the process and come to the United States without authorization can be promptly returned home." It's unclear if this means that those who approach the southern border would be denied asylum.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/06/politics/adam-schiff-trump-wall-cnntv/index.html