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;D hahahaha Yeh ok, scroll down
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/evander-holyfield-how-strong.49006/
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Neither of those guys hit 360 for 10
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LOL Ben Johnson was 160 tops?
I do believe these guys were on enough drugs that they should have been able to hit those numbers, but never happened.
I mean he hit 360 for 10 so maybe he could hit 400.....
Lol that dude is out a little out of his element talking about strength training.
Holyfield's strength was manufactured where as Tyson was more naturally strong. LOL
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These were physical phenoms who lived to train. I'm sure they lifted 360lbs or thereabout from their chest a few times but certainly not under stringent powerlifting requirements. It's not an unheard of feat, it's not like they're saying 495x10 or anything of that nature
Really though, who cares. Ben Johnson & Evander Holyfield were the best in the world at their chosen sport, being able to bench press any amount of weight was just the gravy on top.
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Lifted in the same gym with Ben during his prime.
There is NO chance in hell the guy could have done a sloppy five with even 275.
I witnessed him squat and weight train dozens of times. Very muscular, but “petite” and thin, guy.
This kind of utter nonsense pisses me off.
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Lifted in the same gym with Ben during his prime.
There is NO chance in hell the guy could have done a sloppy five with even 275.
I witnessed him squat and weight train dozens of times. Very muscular, but “petite” and thin, guy.
This kind of utter nonsense pisses me off.
He "squats" 5 plates in this video, you don't think he could have done a couple with 315 or even 365?
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It was reported by the press in the Olympic village Ben Johnson benched 400 with many witnesses.
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These were physical phenoms who lived to train. I'm sure they lifted 360lbs or thereabout from their chest a few times but certainly not under stringent powerlifting requirements. It's not an unheard of feat, it's not like they're saying 495x10 or anything of that nature
Really though, who cares. Ben Johnson & Evander Holyfield were the best in the world at their chosen sport, being able to bench press any amount of weight was just the gravy on top.
It's like saying Will Smith could have been a professional boxer. It's not true.
They are the best in the world at their respective sports, that has nothing to do with powerlifting movements. ZERO
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Good thread. Even though I knew nothing about gear when he got 'caught' I could have cared less - that world record run was electrifying
Then later on when I got my 'gear eye' in I predicted Marion Jones was pumped full of sh*t...
But there comes a point with things like gymnastics and wrestling where the amount of static (or close to static) holding and forced negatives (opposing an opponent or slowing your movement) might have a strong hypertrophy effect, no..? So are the physiques of the gymnasts and/or wrestler natty?
Here's an example - Javier Cortina - natty or not GetBig?
(https://theathleticbuild.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/tumblr_o3lkg4JcKn1qbrivdo1_1280-e1499719477244.png)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/8f27b05476496c5500430538247704f6/5CC9B268/t51.2885-15/e35/s480x480/17075879_1852848401594557_7695948462281457664_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com)
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It was reported by the press in the Olympic village Ben Johnson benched 400 with many witnesses.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=654517&page=1
This link says he could hit 350 and squat 700.
Wide range of what he could ALLEGEDLY lift. No such discrepancy on his 100 time though.
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Good thread. Even though I knew nothing about gear when he got 'caught' I could have cared less - that world record run was electrifying
Then later on when I got my 'gear eye' in I predicted Marion Jones was pumped full of sh*t...
But there comes a point with things like gymnastics and wrestling where the amount of static (or close to static) holding and forced negatives (opposing an opponent or slowing your movement) might have a strong hypertrophy effect, no..? So are the physiques of the gymnasts and/or wrestler natty?
Here's an example - Javier Cortina - natty or not GetBig?
(https://theathleticbuild.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/tumblr_o3lkg4JcKn1qbrivdo1_1280-e1499719477244.png)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/8f27b05476496c5500430538247704f6/5CC9B268/t51.2885-15/e35/s480x480/17075879_1852848401594557_7695948462281457664_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com)
As natural as any other national/Olympic level athlete.
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He "squats" 5 plates in this video, you don't think he could have done a couple with 315 or even 365?
That video is way after he retired.
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It's like saying Will Smith could have been a professional boxer. It's not true.
They are the best in the world at their respective sports, that has nothing to do with powerlifting movements. ZERO
Your analogy doesn't make much sense. Acting and boxing are two entirely separate domains. Boxing/sprinting and weight training are both power-centric endeavors.
Saying that Ben Johnson or Holyfield were at one point able to knock out a few shaky reps with 365 isn't too far out of the realm of unbelievability, at least in my opinion.
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Your analogy doesn't make much sense. Acting and boxing are two entirely separate domains. Boxing/sprinting and weight training are both power-centric endeavors.
Saying that Ben Johnson or Holyfield were at one point able to knock out a few shaky reps with 365 isn't too far out of the realm of unbelievability, at least in my opinion.
Doesn't make sense?
Will Smith played Ali in the movie Ali. It was said afterwards that he could have been a championship professional boxer if he choose to go that route.
Its not true.
And we're not talking about a few shakey reps with 365, its said they could do 10 with 360.
Remember when Kevin Levrone raced Dwayne Chambers? He wasnt as fast as he claimed.
If you think they benched 360, that's fine. 360 is an odd number to load on a bench anyhow. Elite athletes arent always elite powerlifters. 360 for 10 at 180 is incredible nonetheless.
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He "squats" 5 plates in this video, you don't think he could have done a couple with 315 or even 365?
Lee priest said he benched 5 reps with 550 pounds and people believe it...
In comparison Levrone is one of the strongest pressers in bbing and his strengths are well documented and he got 500 for 3 in his training vids
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He "squats" 5 plates in this video, you don't think he could have done a couple with 315 or even 365?
Thread is about his bench. Not his squat.
HTH
P.S. As said, I saw him weight train multiple times at his peak.
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Thread is about his bench. Not his squat.
HTH
P.S. As said, I saw him weight train multiple times at his peak.
Fortress you're obviously wrong. MULTIPLE anonymous people on the internet have reported what they have heard second hand, Ben Johnson can bench around 350 for a single or 360 for 10 or 365 for a few shaky reps or 400 for 1.
This isnt that hard to believe for the most elite sprinter who focused solely on explosive running. He probably could have won an Olympia or 2 if he decided to compete.
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Fortress you're obviously wrong. MULTIPLE anonymous people on the internet have reported what they have heard second hand, Ben Johnson can bench around 350 for a single or 360 for 10 or 365 for a few shaky reps or 400 for 1.
This isnt that hard to believe for the most elite sprinter who focused solely on explosive running. He probably could have won an Olympia or 2 if he decided to compete.
He probably could have won an Olympia or 2 if he decided to compete.
No doubt he’d of Run rings around the others. ;D
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Good thread. Even though I knew nothing about gear when he got 'caught' I could have cared less - that world record run was electrifying
Then later on when I got my 'gear eye' in I predicted Marion Jones was pumped full of sh*t...
But there comes a point with things like gymnastics and wrestling where the amount of static (or close to static) holding and forced negatives (opposing an opponent or slowing your movement) might have a strong hypertrophy effect, no..? So are the physiques of the gymnasts and/or wrestler natty?
Here's an example - Javier Cortina - natty or not GetBig?
(https://theathleticbuild.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/tumblr_o3lkg4JcKn1qbrivdo1_1280-e1499719477244.png)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/8f27b05476496c5500430538247704f6/5CC9B268/t51.2885-15/e35/s480x480/17075879_1852848401594557_7695948462281457664_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com)
oh geesh- totally juiced. It's not all that difficult to see (I know you know it Taffin). You don't get that kind of fullness and vascularity as a natty. Never. Why? Because as you diet down your blood volume drops. It's how the body protects itself during perceived starvation. Steroids counteract that.
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How much did Ben Johnson weighted in 1988 ?
He was the biggest/strongest/faster of his era .... no doubt
woooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Trained in the same gym as Dwain Chambers a few times. Powerful guy and obviously very explosive but doubt he could have benched more then an ugly 140kg. Saw him do do sets with 120kg and the few reps weren't easy ones. Would guess Johnson wouldn't have been any stronger then Chambers.
A very strong sprinter was Harry Aikines Ayeetey. Never saw him bench but witnessed him easily power clean 150kg and squat 200kg.
(http://www.swlondoner.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/harry-Aikines-Aryeetey-978x611.jpeg)
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Good thread. Even though I knew nothing about gear when he got 'caught' I could have cared less - that world record run was electrifying
Then later on when I got my 'gear eye' in I predicted Marion Jones was pumped full of sh*t...
But there comes a point with things like gymnastics and wrestling where the amount of static (or close to static) holding and forced negatives (opposing an opponent or slowing your movement) might have a strong hypertrophy effect, no..? So are the physiques of the gymnasts and/or wrestler natty?
Here's an example - Javier Cortina - natty or not GetBig?
(https://theathleticbuild.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/tumblr_o3lkg4JcKn1qbrivdo1_1280-e1499719477244.png)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/8f27b05476496c5500430538247704f6/5CC9B268/t51.2885-15/e35/s480x480/17075879_1852848401594557_7695948462281457664_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Not.
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Ben Johnson is a little lump of fast-twitch muscles, I bet that bench is accurate when he was at his best and on the heavy doses of racehorse steroids. In that video above he does 4x495 box squats. Spotter was helping a bit but it's still big weight and he's in his late 30s there and well past his prime.
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LOL Ben Johnson was 160 tops?
I do believe these guys were on enough drugs that they should have been able to hit those numbers, but never happened.
I mean he hit 360 for 10 so maybe he could hit 400.....
Lol that dude is out a little out of his element talking about strength training.
Holyfield's strength was manufactured where as Tyson was more naturally strong. LOL
Never realized Johnson was that small. He looked bigger on the track.
Tyson was somewhat manufactured as well. When he came out of jail he was 185.
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If you think they benched 360, that's fine. 360 is an odd number to load on a bench anyhow.
Not neccesarily.
Official olympic plates are in kilograms.
So no 45's but 20kgs or 25kgs. 20kg is 44lbs and 25kgs are 55lbs.
So that 360lbs would be two red plates and one blue on each side.
Anyway, that is why there is sometimes odd numbers mentioned on some of the articles, videos etc.
European teenagers dont have 200,300 or 400lbs sticking points.
They have 100kgs, 150kgs, 200kgs etc. ( 220, 330, 440lbs )
On topic: I've seen local sprinters use ridicilous amounts of weights on seemingly unimportant lifts for them.
But speed athletes, jumpers , throwers should be gifted in explosive power so, they are.
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Upper body strength is very important for sprinting.
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Not neccesarily.
Official olympic plates are in kilograms.
So no 45's but 20kgs or 25kgs. 20kg is 44lbs and 25kgs are 55lbs.
So that 360lbs would be two red plates and one blue on each side.
Anyway, that is why there is sometimes odd numbers mentioned on some of the articles, videos etc.
European teenagers dont have 200,300 or 400lbs sticking points.
They have 100kgs, 150kgs, 200kgs etc. ( 220, 330, 440lbs )
On topic: I've seen local sprinters use ridicilous amounts of weights on seemingly unimportant lifts for them.
But speed athletes, jumpers , throwers should be gifted in explosive power so, they are.
It's fine man, I'm wrong.
Like most here I've trained with professional and Olympic athletes. None were at Ben Johnson's level in terms of being the elite of elite. Some were weight room strong some weren't.
Ben Johnson is a world record holding sprinter who's, "record" stood for almost 20 years, but I still dont think he benched 360 for 10, cumulatively during his whole life, let alone at one time.
Im sure he benches more than Carl Lewis though.
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Never realized Johnson was that small. He looked bigger on the track.
Tyson was somewhat manufactured as well. When he came out of jail he was 185.
https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/jo/ben-johnson-1.html
This says he competed at 165.
Good point on Tyson.
His weight seemed to fluctuate greatly during his career, I'm sure it was a combination of anabolics and antidepressants.
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Good thread. Even though I knew nothing about gear when he got 'caught' I could have cared less - that world record run was electrifying
Then later on when I got my 'gear eye' in I predicted Marion Jones was pumped full of sh*t...
But there comes a point with things like gymnastics and wrestling where the amount of static (or close to static) holding and forced negatives (opposing an opponent or slowing your movement) might have a strong hypertrophy effect, no..? So are the physiques of the gymnasts and/or wrestler natty?
Here's an example - Javier Cortina - natty or not GetBig?
(https://theathleticbuild.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/tumblr_o3lkg4JcKn1qbrivdo1_1280-e1499719477244.png)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/8f27b05476496c5500430538247704f6/5CC9B268/t51.2885-15/e35/s480x480/17075879_1852848401594557_7695948462281457664_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Definitely juiced to the gills. The delts alone give it away. No natty has full striated delts at sub 10% bodyfat.
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It's fine man, I'm wrong.
Like most here I've trained with professional and Olympic athletes. None were at Ben Johnson's level in terms of being the elite of elite. Some were weight room strong some weren't.
Ben Johnson is a world record holding sprinter who's, "record" stood for almost 20 years, but I still dont think he benched 360 for 10, cumulatively during his whole life, let alone at one time.
Im sure he benches more than Carl Lewis though.
I've heard (I forget source) that Lewis didn't lift at all until late in his career. I find it hard to believe that a man who held the world record in the 100 meters in the late '80s - early '90s never touched a weight while accomplishing this feat, but sometimes I forget these guys are absolute athletic freaks and normal rules don't apply to them.
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I've heard (I forget source) that Lewis didn't lift at all until late in his career. I find it hard to believe that a man who held the world record in the 100 meters in the late '80s - early '90s never touched a weight while accomplishing this feat, but sometimes I forget these guys are absolute athletic freaks and normal rules don't apply to them.
This.
Lebron, Kobe, Jordan would all still be great basketball players irregardless of the drive and competitiveness.
Lewis, Johnson and Bolt would still be the fastest men of their era even if they were lackadaisical with their training.
Mike Tyson was GREAT even though he coasted for years.
Barry Bonds was a HOFer before steroids.
Training/commitment to the training pushes these guys over the top.
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This.
Lebron, Kobe, Jordan would all still be great basketball players irregardless of the drive and competitiveness.
Lewis, Johnson and Bolt would still be the fastest men of their era even if they were lackadaisical with their training.
Mike Tyson was GREAT even though he coasted for years.
Barry Bonds was a HOFer before steroids.
Training/commitment to the training pushes these guys over the top.
But bbers are nothing without gear, take all of it away, and they’ll be average at best :D