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Isn't that awesome? So nice of the government to allow you to seek a doctors assistance if you are diagnosed as terminal, within 6 months of death and in pain. I would like to hear what the ones who voted against it have to say.
https://cathstan.org/news/local/maryland-house-of-delegates-passes-physician-assisted-suicide-bill-in-74-66-vote
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Isn't that awesome? So nice of the government to allow you to seek a doctors assistance if you are diagnosed as terminal, within 6 months of death and in pain. I would like to hear what the ones who voted against it have to say.
https://cathstan.org/news/local/maryland-house-of-delegates-passes-physician-assisted-suicide-bill-in-74-66-vote
Bet you start seeing justification for emotional pain assisted death....
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Bet you start seeing justification for emotional pain assisted death....
Not sure what you mean. This is dealing with people who have been diagnosed with a terminal illness. Have 6 months or less to live. Have requested it on 3 different occasions, one in private, one in writing to dispell any notion of non voluntary. We give our pets more compassion than our loved ones
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Not sure what you mean. This is dealing with people who have been diagnosed with a terminal illness. Have 6 months or less to live. Have requested it on 3 different occasions, one in private, one in writing to dispell any notion of non voluntary. We give our pets more compassion than our loved ones
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oh boy,.
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Bet you start seeing justification for emotional pain assisted death....
and?
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Isn't that awesome? So nice of the government to allow you to seek a doctors assistance if you are diagnosed as terminal, within 6 months of death and in pain. I would like to hear what the ones who voted against it have to say.
https://cathstan.org/news/local/maryland-house-of-delegates-passes-physician-assisted-suicide-bill-in-74-66-vote
So “awesome” please be the first.
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Bet you start seeing justification for emotional pain assisted death....
Yeah no doubt around the corner for the weak sissified world we live in.”People don’t like me cause the color of my skin,I need meds to kill myself”.Just deal with it as everyone has problems.
“Im a man that wants to be a woman and people don’t accept me,I need meds to kill myself”,No your crazy and need a therapist.
Although I do think it should be your choice if suffering from a terminal illness.
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Should be nation-wide. You are suffering, you make the call. Dr. Jack was on to something...
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Isn't that awesome? So nice of the government to allow you to seek a doctors assistance if you are diagnosed as terminal, within 6 months of death and in pain. I would like to hear what the ones who voted against it have to say.
https://cathstan.org/news/local/maryland-house-of-delegates-passes-physician-assisted-suicide-bill-in-74-66-vote
Trying to be logical here for a second- If you are diagnosed as terminal, you are getting a doc's best guess of how long you have to live. And that is all over the place. So the 6 months timeline is fantasy. But on the other hand, if you are in constant pain and there is no cure or treatment other than deadening the pain, a lot of people would want to end it no matter what the timeline. I totally am on board with that.
My dad had a terminal condition and was completely lucid when on painkillers. He said he was in the most excruciating pain he ever experienced. There was no fix for his ailment. He told me and my brother he wanted to die.
We talked with the doctor and he said he would just slowly up the morphine dose. Morphine, as I soon learned, will always kill you over time. It stops the breathing function. But it is about the most humane way you could go. My dad said his goodbyes with a smile and went into a deep sleep. He was dead the next day.
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Should be nation-wide. You are suffering, you make the call. Dr. Jack was on to something...
I agree, I was just pointing out that this will be abused.....not just by the patients.
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I agree, I was just pointing out that this will be abused.....not just by the patients.
Explain how under the current law.
1. You have to be diagnosed with a terminal illness
2. You have to be within 6 months of expected death (This one to me is stupid. If I am terminal and in pain, and the prognosis is a year, why would I have to suffer 6 months?)
3. You have to request it on 3 separate occasions. 1 being in writing, 1 being without family members to reduce the risk of coercion,
In any situation there may be potential for abuse, like with alcohol, but do we really want to deal with things with "But it could possibly be abused somehow so lets not do it" attitude?
But I am curious as to how you see this WILL be abused, and not just by patients. What am I missing?
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Bet you start seeing justification for emotional pain assisted death....
Hahahaha! ;D
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We talked with the doctor and he said he would just slowly up the morphine dose. Morphine, as I soon learned, will always kill you over time. It stops the breathing function. But it is about the most humane way you could go. My dad said his goodbyes with a smile and went into a deep sleep. He was dead the next day.
Yup. Goes on everyday. It’s an unspoken reality.
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https://www.lifenews.com/2019/03/04/belgium-euthanized-2357-people-last-year-including-dozens-of-mentally-disabled-patients/
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Jesus. This county is fucked. Government so up everyone's ass. Hypocrisy: how is it legal that a 640 lb broad can order $30 in Girl Scout cookies and I can't do a bump of Coke if I want?
Off topic but I don't care
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I’m with you on this one. It’s your life, you should be allowed to do what you want with it.
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with Hypertrophy on this one.... same situation except my mother,,,, until you live it... sometimes for years... you don't know... :(
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Isn't that awesome? So nice of the government to allow you to seek a doctors assistance if you are diagnosed as terminal, within 6 months of death and in pain. I would like to hear what the ones who voted against it have to say.
https://cathstan.org/news/local/maryland-house-of-delegates-passes-physician-assisted-suicide-bill-in-74-66-vote
You've always been allowed to kill yourself, the difference here is having society help you..
Me and many others are against suicide so do it on your own and don't expect the rest of us to support you...
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You've always been allowed to kill yourself, the difference here is having society help you..
Me and many others are against suicide so do it on your own and don't expect the rest of us to support you...
Just curious why you would be against someone killing themselves if they are terminally ill?
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You've always been allowed to kill yourself, the difference here is having society help you..
Me and many others are against suicide so do it on your own and don't expect the rest of us to support you...
No the difference here is there is a dignified, controlled way to do it.
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Mean this respectfully, but those totally against the right of a person committing suicide, why? I'm assuming its religion? Like God began your life and its blasphemous to not let him end it?
The next is if someone has kids, a family that will be emotionally and financially devasted. Thats a horrible thing to do.
The only other would be just disdain for that level of apathy? You SHOULD never quit, you should keep fighting, losers commit suicide, but that argument I don't understand as much. Yes, someone that committs suicide of course is a quitter, but what do you care? Most times when someone whines about something, I hate my apartment, I hate this restaurant, I hate America, we shout "Then fucking leave!"
What if some totally isolated person, no family, no friends, maybe been living on the street, rampant alcoholic for decades and just hates life and wants out?
Why is that wrong? Not saying it isn't, but outside of God why is it wrong?
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Slippery slope.
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Slippery slope.
not at all, even if relatively healthy people want to. Who's right is it to tell another adult what to do with his\her own body?
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not at all, even if relatively healthy people want to. Who's right is it to tell another adult what to do with his\her own body?
Would you feel the same way if it were your loved one, wife, son, daughter, etc., suffering from depression?
What about corrupt doctors, hospital staff assisting with suicide of depressed organ donors instead of finding ways to help them live?
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Would you feel the same way if it were your loved one, wife, son, daughter, etc., suffering from depression?
What about corrupt doctors, hospital staff assisting with suicide of depressed organ donors instead of finding ways to help them live?
What the alternative? Watching a loved one suffer through a life they don't want to be living?
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There are people begging to be euthanized and im over here with foot warts thinking its an existential crisis.
Really puts shit in perspective.
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not at all, even if relatively healthy people want to. Who's right is it to tell another adult what to do with his\her own body?
Already, you've moved on from terminally ill people to relatively healthy people. Now its the ill person can only make the decision, then it'll be a spouse can make the decision, then family and finally the government.
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What the alternative? Watching a loved one suffer through a life they don't want to be living?
The point is, many who want to off themselves today, recover tomorrow and live a normal life after that.
There are also many who will eventually attempt suicide and succeed.
How do you separate these two types of people? How do you know which to treat and which to whack?
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Already, you've moved on from terminally ill people to relatively healthy people. Now its the ill person can only make the decision, then it'll be a spouse can make the decision, then family and finally the government.
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Jeff Foxworthy: And life insurance is another form of protection. That’s just kind of a fine line deal, because you want to have enough of it, god forbid you do pass earlier, every guy I think has a mental image of his family sitting around the table with a turkey leg in each hand going ♪♪ He was a jolly good fellow ♪♪. But you don’t want to have so much insurance that you actually put a bounty on your own head. I don’t want to see my wife down at the hospital going “Pull the plug.” “Mrs. Foxworthy, it’s only a sprained ankle.” “I don’t care, pull the plug. I know him, and he wouldn’t want to limp around like that. Just put him down, go on, put him down.”
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Already, you've moved on from terminally ill people to relatively healthy people. Now its the ill person can only make the decision, then it'll be a spouse can make the decision, then family and finally the government.
nope, just a proponent of personal autonomy. The scenarios you outlined are the exact opposite; the point is not the government, your family nor your spouse should have any say on what people do to and with their own bodies unless there's risk to another party
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Jeff Foxworthy: And life insurance is another form of protection. That’s just kind of a fine line deal, because you want to have enough of it, god forbid you do pass earlier, every guy I think has a mental image of his family sitting around the table with a turkey leg in each hand going ♪♪ He was a jolly good fellow ♪♪. But you don’t want to have so much insurance that you actually put a bounty on your own head. I don’t want to see my wife down at the hospital going “Pull the plug.” “Mrs. Foxworthy, it’s only a sprained ankle.” “I don’t care, pull the plug. I know him, and he wouldn’t want to limp around like that. Just put him down, go on, put him down.”
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nope, just a proponent of personal autonomy. The scenarios you outlined are the exact opposite; the point is not the government, your family nor your spouse should have any say on what people do to and with their own bodies unless there's risk to another party
As am I. I hate when they try to ban soda or trans fats or any of that stuff. If people want to ruin their health, I don't really care. This is not a particular topic that I even feel strongly about. What I outlined was the slippery slope, once you crack that door. A lot of noble, well intentioned things have turned disastrous over time. 50 years from now we'll have government run healthcare with them deciding who lives and who dies.
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LOL...had forgotten about that one.
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Would you feel the same way if it were your loved one, wife, son, daughter, etc., suffering from depression?
What about corrupt doctors, hospital staff assisting with suicide of depressed organ donors instead of finding ways to help them live?
Most, especially on this board would tell someone clinically and severely depressed to snap out of it, stop whining and being depressed, what you need is a good kick in the ass as a real job. I'm depressed the Lions lost, go get laid bitch.
Then condemn the person if they decide to end it. Condemned alive, condemned dead. Mental illness is horribly misunderstood by the general public, and MUCH of this are loser, assholes on full ssi disability for anxiety and depression because we still cannot really prove them medically YET. And tons of pay to play doctors that want the SSI reimbursment. I've met dudes playing basketball in the park on full ssi disability for anxiety.
Its ruined the credibility of true mental illness and the 10% or whatever that have REAL, treatment resistant depression or worse feel very abandoned by society, even family.
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On October 27, 1997, Oregon enacted the Death with Dignity Act which allows terminally-ill Oregonians to end their lives through the voluntary self-administration of lethal medications, expressly prescribed by a physician for that purpose. What took Maryland so long?
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On October 27, 1997, Oregon enacted the Death with Dignity Act which allows terminally-ill Oregonians to end their lives through the voluntary self-administration of lethal medications, expressly prescribed by a physician for that purpose. What took Maryland so long?
What's taking you so long?
LOL...I kid, I kid. :D
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I live in Guadalajara Mexico most of the year and there is a whole industry of sick elderly people...including terminal, painful agonizing cancer that have to fly to Mexico because here some people are so poor they cant afford a vet and have to put their own pets down so phentobarbitol(lethal injection) can be obtained for veterinary use. Some of the old people are afraid of injection, cant get compassionate care so they devised a system of drinking the bottle and will often drink 2 bottles just to be sure. As you guys know, injectables are not be be consumed orally and although 2 bottles 95% of the time does the trick..some old people wake up uncontrollably vomiting in an emergency room.
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Would you feel the same way if it were your loved one, wife, son, daughter, etc., suffering from depression?
What about corrupt doctors, hospital staff assisting with suicide of depressed organ donors instead of finding ways to help them live?
Depression is not a terminal illness, and wouldn't qualify.. but I have known one or two people who suffered from depression, bi polar disorder, some other mental illness that kept them literally bedridden or in their homes with the curtains drawn for years. I have a close relative that for the last 20 years has had one medical issue after another, suffers from depression, barely exists.. Honestly I am somewhat surprised she hasn't killed herself because her existence is pretty miserable. If she called me tonight and said she was going to participate in medically supervised suicide I would completely understand