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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SF1900 on April 04, 2019, 07:17:52 AM
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https://ourfuture.org/20190207/sorry-donald-america-already-is-a-socialist-country
During Donald Trump’s State of the Union speech, many of the old, white, Republican Senators and Representatives must have gotten more exercise than in weeks, jumping to their feet to applaud almost every sentence of the endless rhetoric.
One of the moments that got the loudest applause was Trump’s attempt to blame progressive Democrats for the problems of the current Venezuelan government, proclaiming the U.S. “will never be a socialist country” to a loud standing ovation from Republicans (and too many Democrats) and chants of “USA, USA, USA.”
Like so much of Trump’s speech, the statement was false. I have news for the Donald: The United States—like every other country with an advanced economy, such as the U.K., Germany, France, and Japan—is already a partly socialist country, with a mixed economy and many government programs that serve the public good.
By this defintion, Social Security is a “socialist” program: it’s a government-run pension system that cuts out private money managers. Medicare – a single-payer, government-run health insurance program for those over 65 – is too. Medicare-For-All would simply extend this to the rest of the population.
The minimum wage, maximum hour, and child labor laws that go back over a century are likewise “socialist” programs, in that the government intervenes in the capitalist market to require employers to meet minimum standards that might not be met in a pure, unregulated “free” market. Agricultural and energy subsidies are likewise socialist programs. I could go on and on.
Stripped of the Red-baiting and name-calling, the real debate isn’t between capitalism vs. socialism, but about the appropriate balance between the two.
Conservatives want to reduce Social Security and Medicare benefits and reduce the numbers who qualify, while progressives want to increase and expand these programs. Many progressives want to move towards a Medicare system covering all Americans, not just those over 65 (“Medicare for All”) while centrist Democrats want to protect the ACA which is a hybrid between private insurance and government insurance and regulation, and conservatives want to go back to the all-private system which pre-dated the ACA.
The government already supports higher education (that’s socialism) but progressives want to make a public college education free or debt-free. Conservatives support government subsidies for agriculture and the oil energy (that’s socialism) while many progressives believe this is “reverse welfare” for the rich and want to reduce them.
Under the headline, “Most Young Americans Prefer Socialism to Capitalism” CNBC reported on a Gallup poll this summer showing that millennials are more favorable to the socialist side than the capitalist side of the equation. with 51% having a positive view of socialism and only 47% having a positive view of capitalism.
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Good post, SF.
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The government does such a good job of managing things I think we should turn everything over to them. Let them take all the money and have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez decide how to spend it.
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The government does such a good job of managing things I think we should turn everything over to them. Let them take all the money and have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez decide how to spend it.
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Orgasm?
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Orgasm?
No, her handlers were about to feed her a carrot.
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She always votes "neigh".
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The government does such a good job of managing things I think we should turn everything over to them. Let them take all the money and have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez decide how to spend it.
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How in the fuck has this vile ugly bitch went through life pulling faces like that without receiving a good hard punch in the mouth?
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How in the fuck has this vile ugly bitch went through life pulling faces like that without receiving a good hard punch in the mouth?
Animal cruelty laws.
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How in the fuck has this vile ugly bitch went through life pulling faces like that without receiving a good hard punch in the mouth?
Before I read your post I was thinking why can’t someone punch her during that face.
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Before I read your post I was thinking why can’t someone punch her during that face.
Haha was my very first thought upon seeing her as well mate
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Dumb.
Government "supporting" schools or building roads etc isn't socialism.
Hope this helps.
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SF, your point about Europe is interesting but successful small countries that have a Socialist style Healthcare system tend to have smaller populations with a more homogeneous population with most if not all members of society contributing to the system. In America, the top 50% pay all the taxes and the top 3% paid over 50% of federal income taxes. Thus, it is a system that is doomed to fail when 50% of the populous is contributing nothing to the cause. If everybody had skin in the game, then it would conceivably be fairer but at this point it is not.
Then, look at NY, which is going to have a tax shortfall this year as their highest earners are moving to states with minimal to no state income tax. Piss the rich off and eventually, no matter how much of a bleeding heart they are, they will move to where they can keep their hard earned cash. Thus, your point is really kind of moot.
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SF, your point about Europe is interesting but successful small countries that have a Socialist style Healthcare system tend to have smaller populations with a more homogeneous population
Smaller, homogeneous populations that don't have to pay to have a capable military because the United States will protect them if anyone starts any shit.
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True, we do have a lot of socialist programs. That's part of the battle currently raging. But that doesn't mean we are a socialist country. Our government doesn't own and run all means of production. Companies are still privately owned. Government regulation isn't the same as government ownership.
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True, we do have a lot of socialist programs. That's part of the battle currently raging. But that doesn't mean we are a socialist country. Our government doesn't own and run all means of production. Companies are still privately owned. Government regulation isn't the same as government ownership.
libertarians will say otherwise
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Our healthcare is based on debt upon debt. The "refugee crisis" blew a huge hole into the budget and luckily brought grave inustice to light.
If you need the good stuff, like teeth, you better go to Hungary or Thailand because the monies you'll need are HUGE and the healthcare system is not fond of helping you - a friend of mine had his teeth done for 10000€ and got a refund of 100€ from the "Krankenkasse". Charges for dental services are sky high and that's why many people run around with bad or missing teeth. And guss what - it's exactly the poo-rer people, that the socialists pretend to protect, who have to swallow this "rotten egg".
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The official "face" of the Democratic Party.
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Social programs don't make a country Socialist.
I think the term has been diluted through the years. Forty years ago everyone would have thought that Socialism meant the prohibition of private property. It was a synonym for Communism.
Nowadays, you have people calling the Nordic countries Socialists, when in reality all of them are among the top 20 in thr ranking Doing Business.
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The official "face" of the Democratic Party.
Laughing it up while she plans to steal more of your money and take away more of your rights.
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Laughing it up while she plans to steal more of your money and take away more of your rights.
I literally LOL'ed at your carrot comment above.
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Social programs don't make a country Socialist.
I think the term has been diluted through the years. Forty years ago everyone would have thought that Socialism meant the prohibition of private property. It was a synonym for Communism.
Nowadays, you have people calling the Nordic countries Socialists, when in reality all of them are among the top 20 in thr ranking Doing Business.
That sort of reason in spite of it being factual isn't going to gain much traction with this crowd of Trump sycophants. They already believe there is a withholding on their paychecks dedicated to ni66ers, sp!cs, gays and jews. Great post nonetheless. No homo either. Unless you happen to have huge tits in which case all bets are off. :)
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Abraham, the neo-nazis on this board are as moronic and stupid as the entire Democratic Party. Most Trump supporters and I suspect most reasonable Democrats do not support the fringe aspects of their parties, who unfortunately are the faction most represented by the MSM and websites like Yahoo. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is literally the dumbest member in the House, and she gets the most playtime on Yahoo or MSNBC. Her proposed programs are ludicrous and stupid and yes Socialist in nature. I agree every society needs programs to help or aide those unable to care for themselves. Not everyone is going to a Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates. However, the reason people are going to vote Trump into office again in 2020 is that hard working Americans...all colors and creeds and religions...are sick of working so hard so able bodied individuals can cut a check from Uncle Sam. Although your stereotype that it is Negroes, Hispanics, etc are the biggest offenders...the true reality is lazy people with zero work ethic and no desire to get ahead is the biggest offender regardless of race. Hope that helps. Let the MSM brainwash you into thinking the majority of Trump supporters are racist, uneducated twinks. Didn't work out so well for you in 2016. With the cast of characters running for the Democratic ticket, your party is in a world of hurt and as Pray4War pointed out you cannot put lipstick on a Donkey.
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