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https://www.foxnews.com/us/dems-outraged-over-mueller-report-before-its-expected-release-today-trump-facing-more-battles-ahead
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If the investigation and report are crooked nonsense, how can it be solid proof he's innocent?
WTF? ???
Didn't you claim to be a PhD?
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/dems-outraged-over-mueller-report-before-its-expected-release-today-trump-facing-more-battles-ahead
Like everyone else, I want to see what the report actually says.
AG Barr could be 100% correct, but I have a feeling he was tad misleading to protect Trump.
It was pretty shady , how he had several briefings with Whitehouse lawyers BEFORE congress gets a peak.
I suspect , it will show that Trump did several unethical deals behind the scenes .
It may not rise to the level of criminal acts , BUT it won't look good for the President.
Trump is very image conscious and demands loyalty and this will shake that fabricated veneer.
If I had to bet, I'd wager the report won't be damaging enough to impeach him .
BUT, it will put a big dent in his political capitol and hurt his change for a 2nd term.
What cracks me up is how team Trump always says the Mueller report exonerated him.
Then, in the next breath say it was a witch hunt done by crooked cops.
If the investigation and report are crooked nonsense, how can it be solid proof he's innocent?
WTF? ???
Of course, when they don't like any released facts, they just scream "fake news". :D
How is he going to be guilty of a fake crime?
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What cracks me up is how team Trump always says the Mueller report exonerated him.
Then, in the next breath say it was a witch hunt done by crooked cops.
If the investigation and report are crooked nonsense, how can it be solid proof he's innocent?
WTF? ???
This is really weird how liberals do not understand logic. Mueller (and everyone else involved) knew long before this report was released that there was no collusion yet continued to let it drag on to try and build a partisan case for obstruction for the public and impeachment(which was also known there would be no case for) and drag his name through the mud, but ended up with nothing anywhere. It's just so hilarious that they tried so hard and came up with nothing. He is no hero to the conservative side. He is a joke and still put wording in the report to make it look as if there could be obstruction (but there isn't legally or any other way) or he would have been a big boy and brought up prosecution.
Levin made a great point in that they admitted that they had all they needed yet still wanted to get the president to sit down and talk to them in order to trick him like Flynn, etc. In fact, watch his interview tonight on Hannity and it may help you understand why it can be both.
You're basically saying,"Somebody made up a story about me raping someone, but the report eventually shows I did not but only after years of my name being thrown around and being told to every single American that I did do it so now half the country believes it." Are you innocent or not?
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/dems-outraged-over-mueller-report-before-its-expected-release-today-trump-facing-more-battles-ahead
Like everyone else, I want to see what the report actually says.
AG Barr could be 100% correct, but I have a feeling he was tad misleading to protect Trump.
It was pretty shady , how he had several briefings with Whitehouse lawyers BEFORE congress gets a peak.
I suspect , it will show that Trump did several unethical deals behind the scenes .
It may not rise to the level of criminal acts , BUT it won't look good for the President.
Trump is very image conscious and demands loyalty and this will shake that fabricated veneer.
If I had to bet, I'd wager the report won't be damaging enough to impeach him .
BUT, it will put a big dent in his political capitol and hurt his change for a 2nd term.
What cracks me up is how team Trump always says the Mueller report exonerated him.
Then, in the next breath say it was a witch hunt done by crooked cops.
If the investigation and report are crooked nonsense, how can it be solid proof he's innocent?
WTF? ???
Of course, when they don't like any released facts, they just scream "fake news". :D
Repeat this until you die:
There was no evidence of any crime that justified the investigation.
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:D
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Didn't you claim to be a PhD?
Are you trying to figure out why it is that Howard is considerably more politically astute than you?
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This is really weird how liberals do not understand logic. Mueller (and everyone else involved) knew long before this report was released that there was no collusion yet continued to let it drag on to try and build a partisan case for obstruction for the public and impeachment(which was also known there would be no case for) and drag his name through the mud, but ended up with nothing anywhere. It's just so hilarious that they tried so hard and came up with nothing. He is no hero to the conservative side. He is a joke and still put wording in the report to make it look as if there could be obstruction (but there isn't legally or any other way) or he would have been a big boy and brought up prosecution.
Levin made a great point in that they admitted that they had all they needed yet still wanted to get the president to sit down and talk to them in order to trick him like Flynn, etc. In fact, watch his interview tonight on Hannity and it may help you understand why it can be both.
You're basically saying,"Somebody made up a story about me raping someone, but the report eventually shows I did not but only after years of my name being thrown around and being told to every single American that I did do it so now half the country believes it." Are you innocent or not?
You are making me cry. ::)
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Repeat this until you die:
There was no evidence of any crime that justified the investigation.
Repeat this until you die: Trump has not been exonerated.
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Are you trying to figure out why it is that Howard is considerably more politically astute than you?
LOL!
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Repeat this until you die: Trump has not been exonerated.
Exonerated of what?? He was never charged with a crime.
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Are you trying to figure out why it is that Howard is considerably more politically astute than you?
Not at all. I figure if he was actually a PhD, he spent far too many years in some liberal shithole of an education system being manipulated and brainwashed and his brain is too far gone to talk sense to. Maybe you're a PhD too?
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In PHYSICS , we don't spend much time doing "political calculations".
So you never took any other class besides PHYSICS? ::)
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LibaTards want a un-redacted report ??? so classified top secrets are to be exposed ? fucking idiots !
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Repeat this until you die: Trump has not been exonerated.
I’d rather you just die.
You lack any sociably redeeming characteristics. You had sex with gay men behind your wife’s back for 50 years and hid it from her. You are the most disgusting type of deviant on the planet.
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Exonerated of what?? He was never charged with a crime.
You're right but Mueller's report offers very little solace. “If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,” Mueller wrote. “Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.”
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You're right but Mueller's report offers very little solace. “If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,” Mueller wrote. “Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.”
So they can't prove guilt, innocent until proven guilty.
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So they can't prove guilt, innocent until proven guilty.
Here's a thought. When someone is tried prematurely, before there is enough evidence to convict them and they are found innocent, that's pretty much the end of the story because of double jeopardy laws. So yes, Trump is legally presumed innocent at this point, but this may not be the end of this story. New or yet undisclosed evidence can still put his supposed innocence in jeopardy. The book remains open. I don't know how you feel, but if I were Trump, this would make me extremely uneasy.
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You're right but Mueller's report offers very little solace. “If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,” Mueller wrote. “Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.”
Solace from what? He was never charged with anything. There is zero proof of that stupid conspiracy theory.
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I agree that the Mueller report shows that team Trump never engaged in a formal, quid pro quo conspiracy with Russia to alter the election.
BUT we also know from his 100 pgs of evidence that Russian operatives DID try to influence our election ( and will continue).
Dems are wrong in saying that since the Russians hacked into our election and social media , Trump must have been directly involved. He wasn't.
The GOP and Trump were wrong for denying that Russia hacked into our election and related social media . They did.
These are 2 separate issues.
Stop parsing words. They found no evidence of a conspiracy. Period. Stop parroting the talking points from those airhead progressive commentators about an "informal" conspiracy.
I have also seen zero evidence that whatever Russia did impacted a single vote. Anywhere.
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I never said the Ruskie hack impacted actual votes because we have no way of knowing THAT.
I'm simply pointing out that they did hack and TRIED to influence voters via social media.
They didn't "hack" anything. What you're simply doing is trying to passively aggressively continue spouting that stupid conspiracy theory.
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I have also seen zero evidence that whatever Russia did impacted a single vote. Anywhere.
"Actually, the Mueller Report that Russia DID affect the vote"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/19/actually-mueller-report-showed-that-russia-did-affect-vote/
Are you saying otherwise? Because that is completely insane.
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Beyond getting voters in the U.S. to follow Facebook or Twitter accounts and read fake news websites, the Russians translated their social media influence into real-life events. Posing as American grassroots activists, the trolls set up and promoted rallies in swing states like Florida and Pennsylvania, as well as at Trump properties in New York, according to the indictment.
http://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/
So Einstein...tell me how you can prove that DIDN'T influence voters.
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I agree that the Mueller report shows that team Trump never engaged in a formal, quid pro quo conspiracy with Russia to alter the election.
BUT we also know from his 100 pgs of evidence that Russian operatives DID try to influence our election ( and will continue).
Dems are wrong in saying that since the Russians hacked into our election and social media , Trump must have been directly involved. He wasn't.
The GOP and Trump were wrong for denying that Russia hacked into our election and related social media . They did.
These are 2 separate issues.
Why didn't Obama stop them?
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"Actually, the Mueller Report that Russia DID affect the vote"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/19/actually-mueller-report-showed-that-russia-did-affect-vote/
Are you saying otherwise? Because that is completely insane.
Listen, don't start posting links you didn't read, because if I have the time and I feel like it, I just might read them. This is an opinion piece. All this fool did was say Russia hacked John Podesta's email (for which there is no proof) and the release of those truthful emails were mentioned in the media repeatedly, so they had to change votes. Yeah real scientific analysis there. ::)
It may be — and appears to be — true that Russia didn’t manipulate actual voting results, changing a county’s pro-Clinton votes into pro-Trump ones. Perhaps the Oct. 7 warning played a role in that success. But Russia’s efforts absolutely affected the vote, as they were intended to — and as Trump and his campaign hoped they would.
How? Well, those Podesta emails for one. Mueller's indictments against a number of alleged Russian intelligence agents details how they accessed the Democratic National Committee network and Podesta's email account (among other targets) and transferred the data to WikiLeaks. There, the stolen material became a central component of the election coverage for much of the last month.
In October 2017, we made this graphic, showing how often WikiLeaks was mentioned on cable news, compared to former FBI director James B. Comey (whose last-minute announcement about Clinton’s email server certainly affected the results) and to “Access Hollywood.”
(Philip Bump/The Washington Post)
All of that conversation during the course of that month certainly had some effect.
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Beyond getting voters in the U.S. to follow Facebook or Twitter accounts and read fake news websites, the Russians translated their social media influence into real-life events. Posing as American grassroots activists, the trolls set up and promoted rallies in swing states like Florida and Pennsylvania, as well as at Trump properties in New York, according to the indictment.
http://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/
So Einstein...tell me how you can prove that DIDN'T influence voters.
Listen Einstein, they posted pro- and anti-Trump rallies. lol And how many people showed up at these rallies??
I don't have to prove a negative. Absurd.
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Listen Einstein, they posted pro- and anti-Trump rallies. lol And how many people showed up at these rallies??
I don't have to prove a negative. Absurd.
This post--makes ZERO sense.
Think about it.
And EINSTEIN--for the record I did read what I posted.
Your saying u have no proof that they didnt influence voters opinions. That statement is factually INCORRECT.
and it's been proven.
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This post--makes ZERO sense.
Think about it.
And EINSTEIN--for the record I did read what I posted.
Your saying u have no proof that they didnt influence voters opinions. That statement is factually INCORRECT.
and it's been proven.
I know, I've confused you with the facts. It's ok. You will survive.
Read slowly: Russian operatives organized political rallies in favor of Trump and against Trump. They organized rallies in favor of Hillary and against Hillary.
And again, Einstein, the link you posted is an opinion piece. There is zero evidence that a single vote changed because Russia posted ads on facebook that nobody saw, etc.
People, if you ever doubt that Trump Derangement is Real, read whatever "Prudence" posts on this board. lol
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I give up on you man---really.
It's like talking to a wall.
We disagree.
Time will tell.
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I give up on you man---really.
It's like talking to a wall.
We disagree.
Time will tell.
Yeah. You post stream of consciousness partisan gobbledygook (complete with supersized font and pretty colors). I try and help you with the facts. You get frustrated. I get it.
But I am here to help. First thing you should do is let all that anger out at the MSM for lying to you for two years about Trump being a Manchurian Candidate.
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There is zero evidence that a single vote changed because Russia posted ads on facebook that nobody saw, etc.
This.
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Another flop.
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Yeah. You post stream of consciousness partisan gobbledygook (complete with supersized font and pretty colors). I try and help you with the facts. You get frustrated. I get it.
But I am here to help. First thing you should do is let all that anger out at the MSM for lying to you for two years about Trump being a Manchurian Candidate.
The Democrats have no policy to stand on, so they have tried to use Russian collusion as a proxy to keep from having to acknowledge President Donald Trump’s historical economic success.
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Pg 2 of the Mueller report clearly states this and they have 100 pgs of evidence showing they did.
Plus, we have virtually EVERY US intelligence agency saying that Russia hacked the DNC, voter rolls , etc
We also know they had a "troll farm " that originated in St Petersburg that tried to influence voters on FB and other social media.
Once again, I'm NOT saying Trump was directly involved with Russia on this. The Mueller reports is clear about that.
BUT, we have a ton of evidence from highly credible sources that Russia did try to influence the 2016 election.
How much influence they had is nearly impossible to know.
You would definitely eat April Ryan’s ass.
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Pg 2 of the Mueller report clearly states this and they have 100 pgs of evidence showing they did.
Plus, we have virtually EVERY US intelligence agency saying that Russia hacked the DNC, voter rolls , etc
We also know they had a "troll farm " that originated in St Petersburg that tried to influence voters on FB and other social media.
Once again, I'm NOT saying Trump was directly involved with Russia on this. The Mueller reports is clear about that.
BUT, we have a ton of evidence from highly credible sources that Russia did try to influence the 2016 election.
How much influence they had is nearly impossible to know.
False - stop lying. The DNC was not hacked. Assange himself said it was leaked and podesta responded to a phising attempt. The hillcunt has only herself to blame for her loss.
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According to everyone of our intel services, they did.
https://mashable.com/2016/12/29/russian-hacking-fbi-dhs-report/
The problem is that people want to automatically assume 2 things from this:
1. Trump conspired with Russia to hack the DNC and election sites. He didn't!
2. Russia influenced voters enough to give the election to Trump.
There is no way of knowing how much actual impact they had on the vote.
Fact - Russia hacked into the DNC ,election sites and tried to influence voters via social media ( like Facebook).
NOT fact based - This fixed the election for Trump and he conspired with Russia.
I think my conclusion is fair ,reasonable and based on facts.
Its Russia's fault that Hillarity didnt campaign in the rust belt and ran a miserable campaign? Remember. she called 50% the country deplorables, ran on a craptastic platform, etc.
Russia had ZERO to do with her losing. You liberal twats just still can't accept it.
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https://mashable.com/2016/12/29/russian-hacking-fbi-dhs-report/
I guess the FBI and DHS are fringe sources ::)
AGAIN, I'm NOT saying Trump was directing this or telling Russia to do it, etc.
But it's a basic FACT, that they hacked into the DNC and various elections sites and voter rolls.
Yes that is true - how many FBI have been fired - 3 or 4 now, and how many criminal investigations are now open on the FBI - 7-9 now
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You didn't read my reply .
I posted ; it's near IMPOSSIBLE to get an accurate measure of how the Russian hacking and influence affected the vote.
I also agree that Hillary ran a lousy campaign , isn't likeable and lacks charisma.
But that doesn't mean Russia didn't hack and try to influence things via social media. They did.
The answer is nothing. Hillary lost all on her own. Russia had no impact at all.
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That' possible and it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to really know for sure.
BUT we do know that they tried .
And we do know they've tried since 2014 at least, so why didn't Obama stop them?
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Democrats are playing with a fire of their own setting. It is just and fitting that the smoke will get in their own eyes.
And blind them all the more. Call it the smoke of their own hubris.
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And we do know they've tried since 2014 at least, so why didn't Obama stop them?
Anyone ???
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Trumpers accusing dems of "hubris" is akin to the champion baked bean eater complaining that his friend farts . ;D
Again, is it any wonder you've been divorced so many, many times? IOL.