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An employee that begins work at Mcdonalds at 17 years old can easily become a manager by 20/21..with hard work.
Mcdonalds general manager
$48,000 average with cash incentive program - $50,000.
Medical and dental benefits.
401k
Life insurance.
Mcdonalds also has a stock option plan to lock in a set stock price.
A child could work as a general manager at Mcdonalds from 19 to 26, parents agree to let him live at home as this being his college and grad school. Parents have no colege tuition, no room and board, books,etc. Child has own medical and dental.
Child spends $10,000 a year on living expenses, clothes,etc. Puts $40,000 in block stock options of Mcdonalds per year along with a few higher risk/yield stocks. At 26 years old, with average growth of Mcdonalds stock and conservative tech, at 26 years old should have over $500,000, no debt, full medical and dental and a billion dollar company international managerial position on his resume. 6 years living at home ready to enter the world
College
Average cost with room and board, books, misc per year -$60,000
Same time sending same kid to college will COST parents over $300,000.
With liberal arts major at end of college student has no skills, no resume, moves back home with parents after college or rooms with buddies. NOT ready to enter world.
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I got my BA in Gender Studies with a minor in Philosophy and I have a very good job.
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I got my BA in Gender Studies with a minor in Philosophy and I have a very good job.
Even if your degree wasn't already worthless when you got it, it certainly would be obsolete now because when you were in school there were only 2 genders to study.
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Even if your degree wasn't already worthless when you got it, it certainly would be obsolete now because when you were in school there were only 2 genders to study.
They are not worthless. I am doing good things with my degree and having a BA in Gender Studies has expanded my knowledge about many social issues.
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They are not worthless. I am doing good things with my degree and having a BA in Gender Studies has expanded my knowledge about many social issues.
Can you sell me some Mcquires car wax? ??? If not, which do you recommend? Also what windshield wipers do you recommend?
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An employee that begins work at Mcdonalds at 17 years old can easily become a manager by 20/21..with hard work.
Mcdonalds general manager
$48,000 average with cash incentive program - $50,000.
Medical and dental benefits.
401k
Life insurance.
Mcdonalds also has a stock option plan to lock in a set stock price.
A child could work as a general manager at Mcdonalds from 19 to 26, parents agree to let him live at home as this being his college and grad school. Parents have no colege tuition, no room and board, books,etc. Child has own medical and dental.
Child spends $10,000 a year on living expenses, clothes,etc. Puts $40,000 in block stock options of Mcdonalds per year along with a few higher risk/yield stocks. At 26 years old, with average growth of Mcdonalds stock and conservative tech, at 26 years old should have over $500,000, no debt, full medical and dental and a billion dollar company international managerial position on his resume. 6 years living at home ready to enter the world
College
Average cost with room and board, books, misc per year -$60,000
Same time sending same kid to college will COST parents over $300,000.
With liberal arts major at end of college student has no skills, no resume, moves back home with parents after college or rooms with buddies. NOT ready to enter world.
It doesn't have to cost $300k to send your kid to college.
I sent two kids to college for nowhere near that.
One kid got an assoc. from Community college in 2 years for $5k and then onto state school for $30k for his Bachelor.
The other kid did one year community and 3 years state school plus masters (5-year program). So $55k plus another $10k for the masters (kid got grad assistantship).
So two kids for $100k. Both lived at home while in college.
Other than that, yes, if you work hard and save and invest money you can build a tidy nest egg working at McDs.
But you also have limited growth potential at McDonalds. Where do you go from there? $50k a year is entry level wages.
Is your experience working at McDonalds transferable to a higher earning job? Where?
You could open your own burger joint with your savings. Opening a McDs though costs $millions.
I'm not putting down your idea though. If you are hard worker and save every nickel you could start your own biz selling burgers or a pizza shop or sub shop.
McDs are usually locally owned so not really anywhere to move up to I don't think. You're either an owner or a store mgr or drone.
I mean you're not going to move up to McD Corporate.
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Can you sell me some Mcquires car wax? ??? If not, which do you recommend? Also what windshield wipers do you recommend?
P21S 12700W Carnauba Wax
Rain-X Latitude Wiper Blade
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P21S 12700W Carnauba Wax
Rain-X Latitude Wiper Blade
Rain X are absolutely shit wipers. I'll just have you put on some Bosch wipers.
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Rain X are absolutely shit wipers. I'll just have you put on some Bosch wipers.
I sell a ton of them and customers love them.
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An employee that begins work at Mcdonalds at 17 years old can easily become a manager by 20/21..with hard work.
Mcdonalds general manager
$48,000 average with cash incentive program - $50,000.
Medical and dental benefits.
401k
Life insurance.
Mcdonalds also has a stock option plan to lock in a set stock price.
A child could work as a general manager at Mcdonalds from 19 to 26, parents agree to let him live at home as this being his college and grad school. Parents have no colege tuition, no room and board, books,etc. Child has own medical and dental.
Child spends $10,000 a year on living expenses, clothes,etc. Puts $40,000 in block stock options of Mcdonalds per year along with a few higher risk/yield stocks. At 26 years old, with average growth of Mcdonalds stock and conservative tech, at 26 years old should have over $500,000, no debt, full medical and dental and a billion dollar company international managerial position on his resume. 6 years living at home ready to enter the world
College
Average cost with room and board, books, misc per year -$60,000
Same time sending same kid to college will COST parents over $300,000.
With liberal arts major at end of college student has no skills, no resume, moves back home with parents after college or rooms with buddies. NOT ready to enter world.
I know of two people who are managers there and make great money BUT they work an insane number of hours and have to deal with high school and college age employees calling off all the time. One guy has had multiple heart attacks and cancer from the stress.
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I got my BA in Gender Studies with a minor in Philosophy and I have a very good job.
You are joking, right? Please tell me you are joking.
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No, I am not joking.
I thought Gender Studies would open doors for many opportunities, since it encompasses a broad range of human experiences, which could be applied to many fields of discipline.
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I was JUST talking about this the other day! Mostly because my best friend and I worked at our local Mcdonalds as our first job back in 2000 when we were 16. We were talking about dumb shit and I was like "dude, we should have just stayed at Mcdonalds and we'd probably be making more money now than were currently are!" lol! Granted neither of us are struggling (I made $72,000 last year, and he's a bank manager who most likely makes more), but chilling in the grill and flipping burgers was the shit back then! Especially considering that they gave us all the free food we could take home at the end of the night! lol
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I was JUST talking about this the other day! Mostly because my best friend and I worked at our local Mcdonalds as our first job back in 2000 when we were 16. We were talking about dumb shit and I was like "dude, we should have just stayed at Mcdonalds and we'd probably be making more money now than were currently are!" lol! Granted neither of us are struggling (I made $72,000 last year, and he's a bank manager who most likely makes more), but chilling in the grill and flipping burgers was the shit back then! Especially considering that they gave us all the free food we could take home at the end of the night! lol
It was my first job at 16 as well. Good place to start out.
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No, I am not joking.
I thought Gender Studies would open doors for many opportunities, since it encompasses a broad range of human experiences, which could be applied to many fields of discipline.
You have to be joking and expecting to be savaged on this site for saying this. You just want to see the witty replies, right?
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No.
I just don't care what people say about me.
If someone does not like my degree, so be it.
I don't have anything to prove to the people on here.
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I got my BA in Gender Studies with a minor in Philosophy and I have a very good job.
And unless you are a college Professor perpetrating the scam your job title does not have the words gender studies nor philosophy in it.
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And unless you are a college Professor perpetrating the scam your job title does not have the words gender studies nor philosophy in it.
No, it doesn't, but it's a very related field.
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They are not worthless. I am doing good things with my degree and having a BA in Gender Studies has expanded my knowledge about many social issues.
What's happen to your dream job on Manly beach ....... ???
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No, it doesn't, but it's a very related field.
Someone go on Indeed or any job site and see the "very good jobs" requiring a background in gender studies or Philosophy. Not saying it can't be done....good for you for escaping the trap. There's acting majors that are now major movie stars. Very good major choice for them.
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What's happen to your dream job on Manly beach ....... ???
I will still be looking to movie to Australia with Mr. Basile.
We have been in communication and are looking to buy a condo together.
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I know of two people who are managers there and make great money BUT they work an insane number of hours and have to deal with high school and college age employees calling off all the time. One guy has had multiple heart attacks and cancer from the stress.
What do managers at McDs make? Is it really great?
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What do managers at McDs make? Is it really great?
50,000 plus full medical dental and stock options. With 6-7 years, an Operations or regional manager is in 6 figures.. Legitimately attainable by 30. And this is not knowing someone or getting lucky, its basic hard work and this could be a legitimate progression.
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It doesn't have to cost $300k to send your kid to college.
I sent two kids to college for nowhere near that.
One kid got an assoc. from Community college in 2 years for $5k and then onto state school for $30k for his Bachelor.
The other kid did one year community and 3 years state school plus masters (5-year program). So $55k plus another $10k for the masters (kid got grad assistantship).
So two kids for $100k. Both lived at home while in college.
Other than that, yes, if you work hard and save and invest money you can build a tidy nest egg working at McDs.
But you also have limited growth potential at McDonalds. Where do you go from there? $50k a year is entry level wages.
Is your experience working at McDonalds transferable to a higher earning job? Where?
You could open your own burger joint with your savings. Opening a McDs though costs $millions.
I'm not putting down your idea though. If you are hard worker and save every nickel you could start your own biz selling burgers or a pizza shop or sub shop.
McDs are usually locally owned so not really anywhere to move up to I don't think. You're either an owner or a store mgr or drone.
I mean you're not going to move up to McD Corporate.
Operations manager, regional manager, Corporate offices....its a multi billion dollar international corporation...no where to go? Even if you don't pursue more....Just live at home as a manager and put the $200,000 in good stocks at 25....let it sit until 40(Apple, Mcdonalds,etc)
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Someone go on Indeed or any job site and see the "very good jobs" requiring a background in gender studies or Philosophy. Not saying it can't be done....good for you for escaping the trap. There's acting majors that are now major movie stars. Very good major choice for them.
I am happy to say that via my job, I have helped promote many liberal and democratic ideas regarding many social issues.
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No, I am not joking.
I thought Gender Studies would open doors for many opportunities, since it encompasses a broad range of human experiences, which could be applied to many fields of discipline.
How many genders did you study?
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I am happy to say that via my job, I have helped promote many liberal and democratic ideas regarding many social issues.
Ahhh..government. Yeah gender studies and philosophy might help you spend Mcdonalds tax money...point taken.
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How many genders did you study?
Multiple.
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Ahhh..government. Yeah gender studies and philosophy might help you spend Mcdonalds tax money...point taken.
That is incorrect.
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I will still be looking to movie to Australia with Mr. Basile.
We have been in communication and are looking to buy a condo together.
This is so touchy :'
(suggestion: try to see 'Wolf Creek' , Aussie film about tourism ;D)
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This so touchy :'
(suggestion: try to see 'Wolf Creek' , Aussie film about tourism ;D)
Saw Wolf Creek. It was "meh."
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Saw Wolf Creek. It was "meh."
;D , cops could not lock him up , 'no evidence' WTF ::)
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I am happy to say that via my job, I have helped promote many liberal and democratic ideas regarding many social issues.
U could be GB John of Arc :)
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In N Out burger is better to work at than McDonald’s, higher pay, better benefits, and management makes 100k+ a year
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Operations manager, regional manager, Corporate offices....its a multi billion dollar international corporation...no where to go? Even if you don't pursue more....Just live at home as a manager and put the $200,000 in good stocks at 25....let it sit until 40(Apple, Mcdonalds,etc)
So if someone gets a job working the register at McDs, does a good job and hangs in he can work up to a Corporate position and make $100k+?
Wouldn't a Corporate job require a college degree? So, even though they give you a few bucks for college, you'd still have to pony up most of the college cash yourself?
Here's the corporate jobs listed. I'd think they'd require a college degree.
https://mcdonalds.jibeapply.com/global-corporate/jobs?page=1&keywords=
Money for college. Not a lot.
https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/careers/training-and-education.html
"Scholarship Opportunities
Help pay for college with McDonald’s Scholarships. 50 awards of $2,500 each (one per state) and 3 awards of $7,500 each are given to eligible restaurant employees."
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-most go to a college that is way to expensive (out of state or private) based on their degree. there are some formulas out there - your career vs cost of education - i have no idea on the ratio/financial modeling
-most student loan debt is due to poor financial planning/decisions than anything else.
-one biggest benefit of college is the buddy system - go to a school where they look out for their own. A Few example. Texas A&M, Norte Dame, USC etc. i went to purdue and asu and we really dont look out for each other. def not a "boys club" it is who you know many times in this life
-colleges are all for profit - even the state funded schools they need to keep their doors open. most of the general public is unaware that huge universities have endowment funds. money managers invest school funds into the markets (equities, fixed income, private equity) to return an investment for the school! Yale's returns have been poor based on other Ivy school returns. sort of funny how schools "returns" are published and ranked - its all money managers who call the shots too
-i do feel in 10-20 years college will be more niche based. i took so many BS classes to fill credits. theatre, film, elvis presley etc - college should only 2-3 years tops with more focus on real world experience for no pay. internships have lost their luster - and are filler. internships need to be like they were back in the day - long hard hours, lots of grunt work
-i am a big believer in a 4 year university degree - even though i do not need one for my profession (mortgage broker) but i do implement supply chain management into my daily practice (what i went to school for) just dont go in crazy debt for it and be smart about it.
- college was fucking fun at ASU i wil say that for sure 8) 8) 8)
i loved being a TA - pretty much everyone passed with a B ;D - I am way too easy
side bar - Mcdonalds fries (fresh and hot) are still the best out there for fast food places
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In N Out burger is better to work at than McDonald’s, higher pay, better benefits, and management makes 100k+ a year
Waay more
In-N-Out Burger Managers Make $160,000 per Year
January 25, 2018
https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/in-guy-managers-make-a-lot-of-money/012518
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Waay more
In-N-Out Burger Managers Make $160,000 per Year
January 25, 2018
https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/in-guy-managers-make-a-lot-of-money/012518
And there you have it ;)
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-most go to a college that is way to expensive (out of state or private) based on their degree. there are some formulas out there - your career vs cost of education - i have no idea on the ratio/financial modeling
-most student loan debt is due to poor financial planning/decisions than anything else.
-one biggest benefit of college is the buddy system - go to a school where they look out for their own. A Few example. Texas A&M, Norte Dame, USC etc. i went to purdue and asu and we really dont look out for each other. def not a "boys club" it is who you know many times in this life
-colleges are all for profit - even the state funded schools they need to keep their doors open. most of the general public is unaware that huge universities have endowment funds. money managers invest school funds into the markets (equities, fixed income, private equity) to return an investment for the school! Yale's returns have been poor based on other Ivy school returns. sort of funny how schools "returns" are published and ranked - its all money managers who call the shots too
-i do feel in 10-20 years college will be more niche based. i took so many BS classes to fill credits. theatre, film, elvis presley etc - college should only 2-3 years tops with more focus on real world experience for no pay. internships have lost their luster - and are filler. internships need to be like they were back in the day - long hard hours, lots of grunt work
-i am a big believer in a 4 year university degree - even though i do not need one for my profession (mortgage broker) but i do implement supply chain management into my daily practice (what i went to school for) just dont go in crazy debt for it and be smart about it.
- college was fucking fun at ASU i wil say that for sure 8) 8) 8)
i loved being a TA - pretty much everyone passed with a B ;D - I am way too easy
side bar - Mcdonalds fries (fresh and hot) are still the best out there for fast food places
All of this. Excellent post.
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You are joking, right? Please tell me you are joking.
Doesn't he work the cash register at an auto parts store?
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Doesn't he work the cash register at an auto parts store?
He’s also a stocker
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Doesn't he work the cash register at an auto parts store?
That’s my part time job.
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One kid's college - 85K
Other kids college - 125K
Just made last payment, we did it w/ zero loans.
Glad its done...
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He’s also a stocker
Correct.
Although I am primarily trained as a cashier.
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is there a way to cut out all sf1900 replies?
i get it, the dude has been on getbig forever, is tired of it and trying to amuse himself by posting stupid shit, but its not very fun for the rest of us.
sf1900 how about quitting getbig altogether? 12 years is enough.
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Meltdown.
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SF1900 is a stone cold troll and I respect that. I'd love to get to know the man behind the name though. Pure homo.
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THINGS YOU TEACH YOUR KIDS, COLLEGE NOT REQUIRED:
Learn how to be empathetic. To have a basic understanding of people and why they operate the way they do. This is easier than you think.
Learn how not to be a dick.
Learn how to read the room.
Learn the difference between swallowing pride and compromising dignity.
Teach them how to set the thermostat very low and how to avoid fools who will goad you into anger.
Teach them that in the corporate world or even privately owned companies being a "yes" man can get you VERY far.
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An employee that begins work at Mcdonalds at 17 years old can easily become a manager by 20/21..with hard work.
Mcdonalds general manager
$48,000 average with cash incentive program - $50,000.
Medical and dental benefits.
401k
Life insurance.
Mcdonalds also has a stock option plan to lock in a set stock price.
A child could work as a general manager at Mcdonalds from 19 to 26, parents agree to let him live at home as this being his college and grad school. Parents have no colege tuition, no room and board, books,etc. Child has own medical and dental.
Child spends $10,000 a year on living expenses, clothes,etc. Puts $40,000 in block stock options of Mcdonalds per year along with a few higher risk/yield stocks. At 26 years old, with average growth of Mcdonalds stock and conservative tech, at 26 years old should have over $500,000, no debt, full medical and dental and a billion dollar company international managerial position on his resume. 6 years living at home ready to enter the world
College
Average cost with room and board, books, misc per year -$60,000
Same time sending same kid to college will COST parents over $300,000.
With liberal arts major at end of college student has no skills, no resume, moves back home with parents after college or rooms with buddies. NOT ready to enter world.
It's a decent middle class job.
I know a few supermarket managers making 60-70k with some OT thrown in.
Again, a solid middle class job.
These stores will be around forever but the positions lack mobility of say a nurse or welder.
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So if someone gets a job working the register at McDs, does a good job and hangs in he can work up to a Corporate position and make $100k+?
Wouldn't a Corporate job require a college degree?
"Scholarship Opportunities
Help pay for college with McDonald’s Scholarships. 50 awards of $2,500 each (one per state) and 3 awards of $7,500 each are given to eligible restaurant employees."
Mcdonalds has their own University called Hamburger University. Ray Kroc named it that because he really wanted humility. He wanted people proud to say I work at Mcdonalds, without having to add when hot chicks are around "But I'm in "Corporate". Ray Kroc till the end would flip burgers,etc. In Kroc tradition, they really like humility. Not douchebag real estate fakes, heavy on show and low on old fashioned hard work.
Hamburger University is a 130,000-square-foot (12,000 m2) training facility of McDonald's, located in Chicago, Illinois. This corporate university was designed to instruct personnel employed by McDonald's in the various aspects of restaurant management. More than 80,000 restaurant managers, mid-managers and owner/operators have graduated from this university.
Prior to 2018, Hamburger University was situated on a 80 acres (32 ha) campus in Oak Brook, Illinois. Restaurant employees receive approximately 32 hours of training in their first month with McDonald's and more than 5,000 students attend Hamburger University each year. Founder Ray Kroc oversaw lessons at its beginning. In 2011, about 275,000 people were recorded graduates from Hamburger University.
In 2016, McDonald's Corporation announced it would move its U.S. and world headquarters including Hamburger University from its long time home in Oak Brook to a newly built complex on property which formerly housed Oprah Winfrey's Harpo Studios in Chicago.
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is there a way to cut out all sf1900 replies?
i get it, the dude has been on getbig forever, is tired of it and trying to amuse himself by posting stupid shit, but its not very fun for the rest of us.
sf1900 how about quitting getbig altogether? 12 years is enough.
You dont like sf1900?
I hope you never have any car trouble. Hes always quick to respond to any questions.
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...plus he's sexy as fuck.
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What to do? Maybe college, or at least try to spell it correctly. :P
"Collage vs. McDonalds - what to do"?
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Mcdonalds has their own University called Hamburger University. Ray Kroc named it that because he really wanted humility. He wanted people proud to say I work at Mcdonalds, without having to add when hot chicks are around "But I'm in "Corporate". Ray Kroc till the end would flip burgers,etc. In Kroc tradition, they really like humility. Not douchebag real estate fakes, heavy on show and low on old fashioned hard work.
Hamburger University is a 130,000-square-foot (12,000 m2) training facility of McDonald's, located in Chicago, Illinois. This corporate university was designed to instruct personnel employed by McDonald's in the various aspects of restaurant management. More than 80,000 restaurant managers, mid-managers and owner/operators have graduated from this university.
Prior to 2018, Hamburger University was situated on a 80 acres (32 ha) campus in Oak Brook, Illinois. Restaurant employees receive approximately 32 hours of training in their first month with McDonald's and more than 5,000 students attend Hamburger University each year. Founder Ray Kroc oversaw lessons at its beginning. In 2011, about 275,000 people were recorded graduates from Hamburger University.
In 2016, McDonald's Corporation announced it would move its U.S. and world headquarters including Hamburger University from its long time home in Oak Brook to a newly built complex on property which formerly housed Oprah Winfrey's Harpo Studios in Chicago.
Ham U. is where you learn when the fries are done, how to mix the secret shake formula, fix the belt on the burger machine, and manage a McDs franchise.
Ham U. is focused on training franchisees to run their McDs franchise.
It's not a real University where you get a legit degree such as a BS or BA.
A "degree" from Ham U. is not a qualifier for a corporate job at McD.
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is there a way to cut out all sf1900 replies?
i get it, the dude has been on getbig forever, is tired of it and trying to amuse himself by posting stupid shit, but its not very fun for the rest of us.
sf1900 how about quitting getbig altogether? 12 years is enough.
NO, I am paying him to torture U :D
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NO, I am paying him to upset U :D
that's fine, i'm paying somebody to post 90% of the stuff "I" post on getbig anyway.
most of the time i neither write or read anything on getbig. im not even here.
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that's fine, i'm paying somebody to post 90% of the stuff "I" post on getbig anyway.
most of the time i neither write or read anything on getbig. im not even here.
great news , so U can afford ticket to Hawaii & meet Mr.Pellius & me :D
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great news , so U can afford ticket to Hawaii & meet Mr.Pellius & me :D
but you dont live in hawaii. you work outta a cubicle in india for $5 per hour you make money posting on msg boards, writing fake reviews on amazon, create fake followers on twitter etc
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but you dont live in hawaii. you work outta a cubicle in india for $5 per hour you make money posting on msg boards, writing fake reviews on amazon, create fake followers on twitter etc
no worries i could be on north shore tomorrow, actually would like to do training with hindu wrestlers (with those wooden clubs), nah i like
amazon, twitty !? nope i got booted from there 2 ;D ,..................
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Bump for Gender Studies.
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Bump for In N out burger
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Bump for Gender Studies.
;D
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What to do? Maybe college, or at least try to spell it correctly. :P
"Collage vs. McDonalds - what to do"?
Post title was changed...Wasn't going to say anything. Not sure how admin works. I posted College vs. Mcdonalds. Period. Anyone who saw original saw it. Someone put "What to do" and reposted..which is fine..I thought maybe an admin or something thought it was good topic and I didn't explain enough with just Mcdonalds vs college. But I didn't write "what to do"? Wouldn't. And misspell happened in change. I didn't even know you could change the topic header. But no problem, whatever admin did it. Look at my original actual post text...college is spelled correctly throughout the text...just when someone changed the header.
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An employee that begins work at Mcdonalds at 17 years old can easily become a manager by 20/21..with hard work.
Mcdonalds general manager
$48,000 average with cash incentive program - $50,000.
Medical and dental benefits.
401k
Life insurance.
Mcdonalds also has a stock option plan to lock in a set stock price.
A child could work as a general manager at Mcdonalds from 19 to 26, parents agree to let him live at home as this being his college and grad school. Parents have no colege tuition, no room and board, books,etc. Child has own medical and dental.
Child spends $10,000 a year on living expenses, clothes,etc. Puts $40,000 in block stock options of Mcdonalds per year along with a few higher risk/yield stocks. At 26 years old, with average growth of Mcdonalds stock and conservative tech, at 26 years old should have over $500,000, no debt, full medical and dental and a billion dollar company international managerial position on his resume. 6 years living at home ready to enter the world
College
Average cost with room and board, books, misc per year -$60,000
Same time sending same kid to college will COST parents over $300,000.
With liberal arts major at end of college student has no skills, no resume, moves back home with parents after college or rooms with buddies. NOT ready to enter world.
Look at my original text...college is spelled correctly multiple times...would I REALLY misspell it in the fucking header?...Someone changed this shit...if it can happen to me it can happen to anyone...did someone hack my shit? What's going on? I did not write WHAT TO DO? Our thoughts should be our own on this board.