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Title: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Joe Valentino on April 24, 2019, 11:32:30 AM


A loot of gear on that Cycle...
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Joe Valentino on April 24, 2019, 11:33:40 AM


A lot of gear on that Cycle...

"Drugs dont Build Muscle"  LOOOOOL
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: dan18 on April 24, 2019, 11:40:44 AM
"Drugs dont Build Muscle"  LOOOOOL
pity post ;D
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Deadpool on April 24, 2019, 03:39:50 PM
um, google Dead Bodybuilders.  Then, Dead Professional Wrestlers.  Something's up there, dontcha think?  ::)
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: SF1900 on April 24, 2019, 03:42:32 PM
um, google Dead Bodybuilders.  Then, Dead Professional Wrestlers.  Something's up there, dontcha think?  ::)

It's all a genetic abnormality.

Nothing to do with drugs.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Dave D on April 24, 2019, 03:52:04 PM
um, google Dead Bodybuilders.  Then, Dead Professional Wrestlers.  Something's up there, dontcha think?  ::)

Most wrestlers die from broken hearts. Once the spotlight is gone and theyre no longer in front of a frenzied crowd of fanatics they cant function in society as regular people.

I bet thats how bodybuilders feel when theyre not in shape.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: SF1900 on April 24, 2019, 03:55:59 PM
Most wrestlers die from broken hearts. Once the spotlight is gone and theyre no longer in front of a frenzied crowd of fanatics they cant function in society as regular people.

I bet thats how bodybuilders feel when theyre not in shape.

Even when big, they are ignored

Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Bevo on April 24, 2019, 05:29:40 PM
It's all a genetic abnormality.

Nothing to do with drugs.

Exactly, like having one leg
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: michael arvilla on April 24, 2019, 05:33:44 PM
I don’t always agree with Dave (Robby Robinson) but he sure as shit keeps us entertained/puts out good content!..
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: oldtimer1 on April 24, 2019, 05:47:24 PM
That drug dosage is one way path to death. I like what Dave has to say at the end. Drugs don't build muscle. Wait, what??

 
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: IroNat on April 24, 2019, 06:02:44 PM
Even when big, they are ignored



That is a depressing video.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: TheShape. on April 24, 2019, 06:18:44 PM
Even when big, they are ignored


Funniest bodybuilding video
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on April 24, 2019, 09:48:40 PM
That is a depressing video.

so depressing
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: JuicedKangaroo on April 24, 2019, 10:53:24 PM
> IFBB Pro Cycle
> Erythropoietin

Pick one
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 25, 2019, 08:28:25 AM
No one takes that. It’s fake.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Griffith on April 25, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
Even when big, they are ignored



Wow, that's bad. No one notices him, like he doesn't even exist.

Then flexes and looks around to see who notices, not a single person does, everyone else is just having and a great time.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Joe Valentino on April 25, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
Wow, that's bad. No one notices him, like he doesn't even exist.

Then flexes and looks around to see who notices, not a single person does, everyone else is just having and a great time.

The amount of money that guy spent on drugs, unless hes a genetic freak, is enough to buy a MacLaren and fuck a lot more Girls, but... to each its own
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 25, 2019, 01:30:08 PM
The amount of money that guy spent on drugs, unless hes a genetic freak, is enough to buy a MacLaren and fuck a lot more Girls, but... to each its own

He didn’t spend that kind of money on it. It’s like the Trump and Russian “collusion”. It didn’t happen
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Joe Valentino on April 25, 2019, 02:32:50 PM
He didn’t spend that kind of money on it. It’s like the Trump and Russian “collusion”. It didn’t happen

Ok, maybe not a MacLaren, but surely a Vette...
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Joe Valentino on April 25, 2019, 02:35:59 PM
He didn’t spend that kind of money on it. It’s like the Trump and Russian “collusion”. It didn’t happen

Since you brought the subject, Coach, how are you thinking of a, now remote chance of Biden's giving Trump a serious run for his Money?
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: B_MyT_2 on April 25, 2019, 06:37:44 PM
No one takes that. It’s fake.

Yeah, I'm only at the 5:20 mark and I had to post "BULLSHIT" on this!

Who and why would anyone take 300mgs of real drol (which Anapolin is), and add in EPO?  Anadrol at 50mgs causes nose bleeds for many people I know....especially me.  I would venture to say it raises RBC more than any other drug just at 1 tab a day, so what would 6 fucking do?  And I'm supposed to believe there would be a reason to add EPO on top of that?  FTN!

I know nothing about EPO doses, but I'm guessing 7600 i.u.'s is insane.  Do you know anything about endurance athletes and EPO Coach?  What would a cyclist take?
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: The Scott on April 25, 2019, 07:19:31 PM



Steve Reeves would have been covered in women.  This blob needs to keep moving or he'll be covered in flies.  I'm surprised there's not a rainbow ring around him when he's in the water.

What a fucking disgusting twatling.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 25, 2019, 08:45:13 PM
Since you brought the subject, Coach, how are you thinking of a, now remote chance of Biden's giving Trump a serious run for his Money?

No, what’s he going to run on, Obama’s record? But you can the #metoo movement will forget about what they supposedly stand for and support him.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: The Scott on April 25, 2019, 08:54:02 PM


A loot of gear on that Cycle...

Dave "Tapwater" Palumbo.  Pfffft.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on April 26, 2019, 05:52:48 PM




looks like the Aria Pool.

Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: The Scott on April 26, 2019, 06:00:17 PM
looks like the Aria Pool.



Definitely not the gene pool... ;D
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Fallsview on April 26, 2019, 06:02:14 PM
No one takes that. It’s fake.

For a person who doesn't take steroids you sure know who takes what and what is fake.

I did not watch this video because this type of stuff bores me. I've witnessed Pro's in my house shoot a whole bottle of Steris Test Suspension at once (30cc's at 100mg). I've also seen these guys shoot upwards to 30IU's of HGH a day. This was in the early to mid 1990's with some of the top Pro's you talk about.



Godspeed
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 26, 2019, 06:38:49 PM
For a person who doesn't take steroids you sure know who takes what and what is fake.

I did not watch this video because this type of stuff bores me. I've witnessed Pro's in my house shoot a whole bottle of Steris Test Suspension at once (30cc's at 100mg). I've also seen these guys shoot upwards to 30IU's of HGH a day. This was in the early to mid 1990's with some of the top Pro's you talk about.



Godspeed

1. Find where I’ve ever said I don’t or didn’t take steroids.

2. Watch the video. No one took that amount of gear.....ever. I train with pros everyday who laugh at stupid shit like this.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Joe Valentino on April 26, 2019, 06:41:42 PM
For a person who doesn't take steroids you sure know who takes what and what is fake.

I did not watch this video because this type of stuff bores me. I've witnessed Pro's in my house shoot a whole bottle of Steris Test Suspension at once (30cc's at 100mg). I've also seen these guys shoot upwards to 30IU's of HGH a day. This was in the early to mid 1990's with some of the top Pro's you talk about.



Godspeed

Talking about Test Suspension. Any good underground Lab produces that nowadays? I took some when I was young. Loved Steris :)
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Fallsview on April 26, 2019, 07:40:31 PM
1. Find where I’ve ever said I don’t or didn’t take steroids.

2. Watch the video. No one took that amount of gear.....ever. I train with pros everyday who laugh at stupid shit like this.

Coach, you're coming at me very aggressive which really you shouldn't . You have stated before that you don't take steroids so how on earth would you know that much about them?  No one is attacking you. I have stated time and time again on this board that you were an asset and directed many of my PM's to you. Why you are acting like this is beyond me. I understand you are stressed with rolling out a clothing brand (which we at A23 Positive have provided some helpful pointers on making you a success)

I have stated in the past, I have sat at my kitchen table with several Pro's and they have talked openly on what they do...3 Grams of anabolics is not that outrageous BUT its the insulin and HGH that make all the difference. You may want to keep Kayfabe on this because you are still in the "mix" but I do not have to. All these PRO's need to do is shut up about cycles and post up the test counts.




STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: B_MyT_2 on April 26, 2019, 08:05:09 PM
Talking about Test Suspension. Any good underground Lab produces that nowadays? I took some when I was young. Loved Steris :)

I find it odd that I get pharma grade u.s. manufactured test prescribed to me....have used both cyp and test E (far more of TE), but somehow the brands now do not even come close to feeling like I did when using Steris Cyp and Schering Testoviron (test E) from Europe back in the 90's.  One thing that always seemed even stranger to me was that during that same time, Schering Testoviron was also got from Mexico more easily.  If I took 2 amps a week of the stuff from Europe no acne at all.  From the first week of a cycle with the same drug...same brand, but from Mexico...starting with one amp, I'd have huge boil type zits on my forearms and back by the end of the week or 10 days after starting at the latest?

I guess I can attribute the Schering thing to better QC or whatever the equivalent is of the FDA in Europe to why that was the case vs. the Mexican version.  However, I can not think of a reason why U.S. manufactured Steris stuff was so much better than the current manufacturer in the U.S. which for me is Westward and prior to that was Watson?

.....and posting this just made me realize I forgot to go to the dr. office to get my shot today...FML!
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 26, 2019, 08:05:29 PM
Coach, you're coming at me very aggressive which really you shouldn't . You have stated before that you don't take steroids so how on earth would you know that much about them?  No one is attacking you. I have stated time and time again on this board that you were an asset and directed many of my PM's to you. Why you are acting like this is beyond me. I understand you are stressed with rolling out a clothing brand (which we at A23 Positive have provided some helpful pointers on making you a success)

I have stated in the past, I have sat at my kitchen table with several Pro's and they have talked openly on what they do...3 Grams of anabolics is not that outrageous BUT its the insulin and HGH that make all the difference. You may want to keep Kayfabe on this because you are still in the "mix" but I do not have to. All these PRO's need to do is shut up about cycles and post up the test counts.




STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I apologize for the attitude. But I’ve never stated at anytime In the 20 years I’ve been that I’ve never used. I’ve stated that I’m not a believer that more is better but at a competitive level it’s necessary. I’ve very well versed when it comes to gear, more than I let on. Remember, I’ve been in this game for over 40. years. If they were taking that you must have had some pretty retarded pro friends Olympia level or not.

If I recall Nasser died.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: B_MyT_2 on April 26, 2019, 08:20:32 PM
I apologize for the attitude. But I’ve never stated at anytime In the 20 years I’ve been that I’ve never used. I’ve stated that I’m not a believer that more is better but at a competitive level it’s necessary. I’ve very well versed when it comes to gear, more than I let on. Remember, I’ve been in this game for over 40. years. If they were taking that you must have had some pretty retarded pro friends Olympia level or not.

If I recall Nasser died.

If I recall right as well, Nasser started falling apart around the time he was buds with Alex.  What got him known (NY show) was not him using those dosages in my opinion.  Maybe he upped the dose to that, and still did good for those two years he placed high at the O, but it was all downhill from there. 

He fell into the more is better trap, and it made him teh deadz.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Fallsview on April 26, 2019, 08:48:45 PM
I apologize for the attitude. But I’ve never stated at anytime In the 20 years I’ve been that I’ve never used. I’ve stated that I’m not a believer that more is better but at a competitive level it’s necessary. I’ve very well versed when it comes to gear, more than I let on. Remember, I’ve been in this game for over 40. years. If they were taking that you must have had some pretty retarded pro friends Olympia level or not.

If I recall Nasser died.

Nasser wasn't one of them, Sonny was but he was very quiet and didn't say much. All any of these bodybuilders need to do is post up a test count. That will put everything to bed. Then your local gym rat that looks damn good should look at his cycle and test count. I can tell you that local gym rats will not be anywhere close to what a Pro's is. Remember, we saw what Dallas' was and that is typical.

Its funny how ProBodybuilding is like Pro Wrestling. Everything is a make believe story. Just like Palumbo talking about how big Kovacs was. I was around Kovacs, remember the backyard BBQ story I had wrote on here? Well, years later I met him again when he was a Pro. His arms were the size of my head but I towered over him and was just as wide. I'll see if I can find that photo and scan it and post it. Pro Bodybuilding where everything is exaggerated except the drug use.



STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Fallsview on April 26, 2019, 08:56:03 PM
If I recall right as well, Nasser started falling apart around the time he was buds with Alex.  What got him known (NY show) was not him using those dosages in my opinion.  Maybe he upped the dose to that, and still did good for those two years he placed high at the O, but it was all downhill from there. 

He fell into the more is better trap, and it made him teh deadz.

46 posts? What happened to your other account? You have misinformation. Maybe you should go back to Pro Muscle and ask about gyno.


GODSPEED
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 26, 2019, 08:57:45 PM
Nasser wasn't one of them, Sonny was but he was very quiet and didn't say much. All any of these bodybuilders need to do is post up a test count. That will put everything to bed. Then your local gym rat that looks damn good should look at his cycle and test count. I can tell you that local gym rats will not be anywhere close to what a Pro's is. Remember, we saw what Dallas' was and that is typical.

Its funny how ProBodybuilding is like Pro Wrestling. Everything is a make believe story. Just like Palumbo talking about how big Kovacs was. I was around Kovacs, remember the backyard BBQ story I had wrote on here? Well, years later I met him again when he was a Pro. His arms were the size of my head but I towered over him and was just as wide. I'll see if I can find that photo and scan it and post it. Pro Bodybuilding where everything is exaggerated except the drug use.



STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






We’ll be waiting for that photo. Make sure you’re in it. Bluff called
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Fallsview on April 26, 2019, 09:02:20 PM
We’ll be waiting for that photo. Make sure you’re in it. Bluff called

I was wearing a black No Limits (inside out) sweater. Do you remember the BBQ story? Bluff called.




STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 26, 2019, 09:07:07 PM
I was wearing a black No Limits (inside out) sweater. Do you remember the BBQ story? Bluff called.




STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said you’d post a pic of it. Post it.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: B_MyT_2 on April 26, 2019, 09:08:32 PM
46 posts? What happened to your other account? You have misinformation. Maybe you should go back to Pro Muscle and ask about gyno.


GODSPEED

 ???

Never been a member of that site that I can recall.  What part of what I said is wrong?  Clearly Nasser upped the dosage, and added in (or more) GH and slin a couple years after his breakout at the NOC.  I thought he looked amazing at that show, and would go on to do great things.  He did for a bit, but he ruined himself chasing Francois at first and then Dorian.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Fallsview on April 26, 2019, 09:10:13 PM
???

Never been a member of that site that I can recall.  What part of what I said is wrong?  Clearly Nasser upped the dosage, and added in (or more) GH and slin a couple years after his breakout at the NOC.  I thought he looked amazing at that show, and would go on to do great things.  He did for a bit, but he ruined himself chasing Francois at first and then Dorian.

You know nothing about what happened with Nasser. You're speaking out of ignorance. I'm not trying to be nasty to you but this is a subject you know nothing about. Obviously you were a member here before under another account so why the change?





STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 26, 2019, 09:11:08 PM
???

Never been a member of that site that I can recall.  What part of what I said is wrong?  Clearly Nasser upped the dosage, and added in (or more) GH and slin a couple years after his breakout at the NOC.  I thought he looked amazing at that show, and would go on to do great things.  He did for a bit, but he ruined himself chasing Francois at first and then Dorian.

Nasser was a world class bodybuilder with a state level back which is why he never won the Olympia
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: B_MyT_2 on April 26, 2019, 09:31:04 PM
You know nothing about what happened with Nasser. You're speaking out of ignorance. I'm not trying to be nasty to you but this is a subject you know nothing about. Obviously you were a member here before under another account so why the change?





STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm giving my observation of what I saw of his career.  I thought he was great at the NOC when I first remember him coming onto the scene.  I have no idea of what happened to him personally, and I'm not implying that I do.  He did not look as puffy then as he did in years to follow.  I think it's fair to say upping the dose of gh and slin along with synthol were his demise to the great look he had.

It seems pretty obvious that he became a very bitter person before he died.

I don't care one bit to explain myself to you.  I've posted the reason, and you're free to search it.

Have a nice night!
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Fortress on April 26, 2019, 10:10:51 PM
Even when big, they are ignored



Everyone’s avoiding him. The secret is no longer a secret: The general public knows these massive guys are just juice bags.

He’s flexing and looking around to see who’s watching. No one.

No one cares.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Deadpool on April 27, 2019, 04:23:24 AM
gH ruined bodybuilding.  Guts that make men look pregnant, what ever happened to the vacuum pose?  bring that back, make it mandatory, and bodybuilders might return to their Golden Age with a look that makes the public appreciate the aesthetics of the contestants
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on April 27, 2019, 07:55:16 PM
gH ruined bodybuilding.  Guts that make men look pregnant, what ever happened to the vacuum pose?  bring that back, make it mandatory, and bodybuilders might return to their Golden Age with a look that makes the public appreciate the aesthetics of the contestants

just watch mens classic in that case

the big guts in open bbing is a combination of several factors - gh/slin are part of it for sure -
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 27, 2019, 08:04:25 PM
just watch mens classic in that case

the big guts in open bbing is a combination of several factors - gh/slin are part of it for sure -

I think with Rhoden winning last years Olympia and the hype with Brandeo, things will start changing for the better. As a matter of fact, things started changing somewhat when Arnold called out Jose Raymond that year he came in with an overly distended gut
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: The Scott on April 27, 2019, 08:06:28 PM
just watch mens classic in that case

the big guts in open bbing is a combination of several factors - gh/slin are part of it for sure -

Being way too heavy for one's height is the major factor.  Muscularly obese is what it should be called.  Pigs.  Fucking dumb pigs.

The bigger the ego, the bigger the gut.  I look forward to the day when the entire lineup of the O keels over dead on stage.  The old  schmoes will wail.  There will be weeping and gnashing of dentures that day I tell you.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on April 27, 2019, 08:18:03 PM
I think with Rhoden winning last years Olympia and the hype with Brandeo, things will start changing for the better. As a matter of fact, things started changing somewhat when Arnold called out Jose Raymond that year he came in with an overly distended gut

agreed 100% you gotta beat the champ at his own game.

as a bbing fan - i am excited to see how it shakes out at the Mr. O
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 27, 2019, 08:26:16 PM
agreed 100% you gotta beat the champ at his own game.

as a bbing fan - i am excited to see how it shakes out at the Mr. O

Olympia prep starts next month. Going to be fun watching these guys get dialed in
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: JuicedKangaroo on April 28, 2019, 10:55:14 PM
gH Insulin * ruined bodybuilding.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Mayday on April 28, 2019, 11:16:41 PM
I know nothing about EPO doses, but I'm guessing 7600 i.u.'s is insane.  Do you know anything about endurance athletes and EPO Coach?  What would a cyclist take?

That's nothing crazy. Anemic patients will get 8,000iu/day.

If you want higher blood count you simply take more and it keeps working.

What is dumb is BBers taking huge cycles which already boost blood. Then taking EPO on top. That will kill you as many cyclists died from thickening blood. What most.probably don't know is those pros were taking huge amounts of aspirin to prevent thickening blood from stopping their heart to the point their alarm clock is going off during the night to take more and not die!

Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: illuminati on April 28, 2019, 11:38:55 PM
That's nothing crazy. Anemic patients will get 8,000iu/day.

If you want higher blood count you simply take more and it keeps working.

What is dumb is BBers taking huge cycles which already boost blood. Then taking EPO on top. That will kill you as many cyclists died from thickening blood. What most.probably don't know is those pros were taking huge amounts of aspirin to prevent thickening blood from stopping their heart to the point their alarm clock is going off during the night to take more and not die!



IIRC it was jan ullric (sp) stayed up all night slow cycling on the stationary bike during one of the
Grand Tours as his resting Heart rate was so low coupled with the thickness of his blood he was worried
His heart would stop if he went to sleep.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Mayday on April 29, 2019, 03:35:34 AM
IIRC it was jan ullric (sp) stayed up all night slow cycling on the stationary bike during one of the
Grand Tours as his resting Heart rate was so low coupled with the thickness of his blood he was worried
His heart would stop if he went to sleep.

It was the generation before Lance/Jan that hit EPO hard.

Bjarne Riis was nicknamed Mr 60 because his hematocit was always over 60. Those guys would brutalize Lances' era. If you watch the 80s stuff on YouTube it's simply mental. Many cardiac arrests during the night and over 60 hematocit is where you need to worry about lasting through the night.
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Joe Valentino on April 29, 2019, 06:02:07 AM
You know nothing about what happened with Nasser. You're speaking out of ignorance. I'm not trying to be nasty to you but this is a subject you know nothing about. Obviously you were a member here before under another account so why the change?





STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nasser is long gone. All his so called secrets are long due, so spill the beans, Man.
At this point, Nasser is just a big o pile anyways..
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: Joe Valentino on April 29, 2019, 06:05:03 AM
Olympia prep starts next month. Going to be fun watching these guys get dialed in

Coach, are you gonna start going to Golds Venice twice a day now, to see Dex, Shawn and all those guys?
Title: Re: DEATH CYCLE?
Post by: B_MyT_2 on April 29, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
That's nothing crazy. Anemic patients will get 8,000iu/day.

If you want higher blood count you simply take more and it keeps working.

What is dumb is BBers taking huge cycles which already boost blood. Then taking EPO on top. That will kill you as many cyclists died from thickening blood. What most.probably don't know is those pros were taking huge amounts of aspirin to prevent thickening blood from stopping their heart to the point their alarm clock is going off during the night to take more and not die!



IIRC it was jan ullric (sp) stayed up all night slow cycling on the stationary bike during one of the
Grand Tours as his resting Heart rate was so low coupled with the thickness of his blood he was worried
His heart would stop if he went to sleep.

Interesting stuff, and thank you to both for replying with this info.  I know very little about the subject other than it raises RBC, and was popular in cycling.  Scary shit to read.  When you have to get up in the middle of the night to take pills, and ride a bike so you don't get dead.........you might be pushing the envelope a bit too much. :(