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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/parkland-scot-peterson.html
HOLLYWOOD, Fla. — As bullets ricocheted and bodies fell in the hallways and classrooms at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School last year, Deputy Scot Peterson was outside the building. Instead of storming in after the 19-year-old gunman, he retreated to a position of safety.
[Update: Scot Peterson appeared in court on Wednesday. Read the latest story and the three steps he is accused of missing.]
For more than a year after the February 2018 attack in Parkland, Fla., grieving parents have demanded that Mr. Peterson — along with the gunman who killed 17 and injured 17 — be held accountable in what would prove to be one of the nation’s worst school shootings. On Tuesday, law enforcement responded with a sweeping list of charges that resulted in Mr. Peterson’s arrest. His alleged crime: failing to protect the students.
America’s long history of mass shootings have brought a variety of responses: Calls for tighter gun laws, civil lawsuits against companies that manufacture guns and firearm components, collective mourning. But Tuesday’s charges represented a highly unusual case of a lawman arrested for failing to save lives.
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Whatever you do, don’t name your son Scott Peterson. It’s a curse!
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/parkland-scot-peterson.html
HOLLYWOOD, Fla. — As bullets ricocheted and bodies fell in the hallways and classrooms at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School last year, Deputy Scot Peterson was outside the building. Instead of storming in after the 19-year-old gunman, he retreated to a position of safety.
[Update: Scot Peterson appeared in court on Wednesday. Read the latest story and the three steps he is accused of missing.]
For more than a year after the February 2018 attack in Parkland, Fla., grieving parents have demanded that Mr. Peterson — along with the gunman who killed 17 and injured 17 — be held accountable in what would prove to be one of the nation’s worst school shootings. On Tuesday, law enforcement responded with a sweeping list of charges that resulted in Mr. Peterson’s arrest. His alleged crime: failing to protect the students.
America’s long history of mass shootings have brought a variety of responses: Calls for tighter gun laws, civil lawsuits against companies that manufacture guns and firearm components, collective mourning. But Tuesday’s charges represented a highly unusual case of a lawman arrested for failing to save lives.
He obviously never served in the marines or any part of the armed forces
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what did the guy think he was being paid for establishing a safe perimeter. that being said what took so long [15 months] to figure out how to charge the guy for negligence of duty.
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what did the guy think he was being paid for establishing a safe perimeter. that being said what took so long [15 months] to figure out how to charge the guy for negligence of duty.
To be fair his doughnut and coffee weren't going to finish themselves :-X ive said it before police should go through more of a military style training to weed out the week minded fear grabs us all but when trained properly fear is not in control and your mental training takes over...
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This guy is apparently not even mentally strong enough to kill himself out of self-loathing for being a coward.
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Granted he should have went in but being in that situation for a regular person who hasn’t been in combat prob is scary.Who knows whoever you hire if they would do anything cause prob never get tested to find out.i don’t think he should be facing 99 years, cause I’m sure most who want to charge him would prob do the same.Maybe the shame he feels is enough but the fuck do I know.Not sticking up for him but who knows what anyone would do really.Would I go in,fuck yeah but an older guy who maybe never even been in a fight,Prob not.Should have hired a combat marine or some shit.
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This is very unsettling to me. I think this gentlemen should be barred from law enforcement/security work of any kind for life. As well as his right to bear arms should be stricken. But I am very uncomfortable with scapegoating this guy while congress still refuses to do anything about the gun, violence and/or gun violence problem in our society.
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how is this any different to any crime where a lone officer doesnt act, but rather waits for backup?
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Si-Fi , Google/Youtube : Shooting in Darwin
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This is very unsettling to me.
Very scary, on so many levels.
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how is this any different to any crime where a lone officer doesnt act, but rather waits for backup?
Exactly
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Whatever you do, don’t name your son Scott Peterson. It’s a curse!
If his name was “tavon wakanda” he would be set free with no questions asked :D
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I think that prosecuting this guy is unjust. Fire him, ban him from law enforcement, sure. What they are doing is treating him like he shot those kids. He did not.
He bitched out, which a lot of people would do if they were asked to charge in and face an active shooter situation. He deserves a bit of scorn and punishment. He does not deserve to go to prison.
I'm angry with him, I'm deeply saddened and disappointed with his actions. Regardless, he doesn't deserve to be made a scapegoat.
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For fuck sake.
The fine officer was conducting a thorough tactical check of his equipment before storming the hot zone.
Just wait till the next time!
Fella has his pre-combat routine DOWN and will be taking names lickety-split.
:o
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anytime anyone feel like responding to - was he alone and just waiting for backup, as is common practice - feel free to do so.
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anytime anyone feel like responding to - was he alone and just waiting for backup, as is common practice - feel free to do so.
You’re so very obviously a complete ignoramus when it comes to even the most rudimentary of universal law-enforcement protocol.
Go kill yourself.
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Does this old fat fuck look like he's capable of protecting the public?
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/06/04/us/04parkland-mugshot/78995690bbb842f2934afeefe21e25cb-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)
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JFC pray_4_whores remove that photo at once! :-X
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You’re so very obviously a complete ignoramus when it comes to even the most rudimentary of universal law-enforcement protocol.
Go kill yourself.
of course i am. why would i know about "universal law-enforcement protocol" ?
its hardly common knowledge.
not everybody has every episode of Cops saved on their computer like you do.
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so does everybody agree that he did the right thing not going inside that school without backup?
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so does everybody agree that he did the right thing not going inside that school without backup?
Absolutely not.
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Absolutely not.
so should a lone police man go inside on his own?
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Such discrimination and intolerance.
The man simply didn’t want to identify as a hero on that day.
Yeesh.
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so should a lone police man go inside on his own?
Yes.
He should be trained and physically fit enough to do that job and he should want to do that job. If not, then get a different job. Deliver mail or something.
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Should be put down behind the barn.
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Such discrimination and intolerance.
The man simply didn’t want to identify as a hero on that day.
Yeesh.
Hahahaha now that gave me a good laugh.Your on a roll fortress,didn’t know you were such a comedian.
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Yes.
He should be trained and physically fit enough to do that job and he should want to do that job. If not, then get a different job. Deliver mail or something.
doesnt make any sense.
what if there's a hostage situation? should he still go in?
or if there's several attackers?
since when did being a police become a suicide mission?
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doesnt make any sense.
what if there's a hostage situation? should he still go in?
or if there's several attackers?
since when did being a police become a suicide mission?
I'm not going to bother answering you because there is no point.
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I'm not going to bother answering you because there is no point.
i agree, if you have nothing to add then there is no point in posting.
know your limits.
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doesnt make any sense.
what if there's a hostage situation? should he still go in?
or if there's several attackers?
since when did being a police become a suicide mission?
Yes.
Engage the attackers.
From the moment they graduated the police academy.
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Yes.
Engage the attackers.
From the moment they graduated the police academy.
...and if you aren't willing and able to do that, then get another job.
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This guy is apparently not even mentally strong enough to kill himself out of self-loathing for being a coward.
I said this morning that I believe he will do just that. They’ll find him hanging in his cell. Poor sap should’ve never suited up for that job, he wasn’t cut out for it. Coward.
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The simple fact that this man is alive knowing he didn't do anything, while shots were being fired and students were being killed, is punishment enough.
He will have to show his face in his community and live with the reality of his shame.
If he is going to trial the whole department should be charged as well, who determined that this deputy was a good fit for protecting a school?
All in all this is a sad commentary on the state of our legal system.
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The simple fact that this man is alive knowing he didn't do anything, while shots were being fired and students were being killed, is punishment enough.
He will have to show his face in his community and live with the reality of his shame.
If he is going to trial the whole department should be charged as well, who determined that this deputy was a good fit for protecting a school?
All in all this is a sad commentary on the state of our legal system.
I've already forgiven him.
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I've already forgiven him.
Well if hes freed i'm sure he will be moving, so its good there are Getbiggers out there who welcome him as a neighbor.
God bless you Abe!
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Well if hes freed i'm sure he will be moving, so its good there are Getbiggers out there who welcome him as a neighbor.
God bless you Abe!
Thank you Dave. Peace and blessings upon you as well.
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He will be acquitted.
I would rather they started PROSECUTING the murderers that give good cops a bad name.
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I think that prosecuting this guy is unjust. Fire him, ban him from law enforcement, sure. What they are doing is treating him like he shot those kids. He did not.
He bitched out, which a lot of people would do if they were asked to charge in and face an active shooter situation. He deserves a bit of scorn and punishment. He does not deserve to go to prison.
I'm angry with him, I'm deeply saddened and disappointed with his actions. Regardless, he doesn't deserve to be made a scapegoat.
This fucker gets $8702 a month pension with platinum health care, free for life. If he's found guilty, he loses all that money. that's what this is all about...Fuck that guy
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Case will be dismissed and he will sue the State. There is no penal code for being a coward. End of stupid thread!
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Yes.
Engage the attackers.
From the moment they graduated the police academy.
Oh brother we have our very own Rambo posting on getbig.
Go getem Tiger ::)
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Oh brother we have our very own Rambo posting on getbig.
Go getem Tiger ::)
I don't often agree with chaos but yes he should have gone in listen for the gun fire and taken his shot he may have saved lives that day... the shooter didn't know he was their could have gotten the drop on him...marine mentality maybe no Rambo just PROTECT AND SERVE and yes if I was there I would have gone in
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This fucker gets $8702 a month pension with platinum health care, free for life. If he's found guilty, he loses all that money. that's what this is all about...Fuck that guy
Do you have a link to pension distribution ?
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This fucker gets $8702 a month pension with platinum health care, free for life. If he's found guilty, he loses all that money. that's what this is all about...Fuck that guy
He worked as a Deputy for 32 years and retired in 2010. He doesn't lose his pension because he's earned it long before this ever happened.
The charges are bullshit because a police officer is not a caregiver or parent. The man's obviously being used as a political scrapegoat . The only party that is guilty is Nicolas Cruz who actually shot the people. A police officer has no obligation to run into a building like TJ Hooker no more than a firefighter having an obligation to run into a burning building to rescue some moron who ran back in their house for their cell phone. BTW, the shooting lasted for 6 minutes so there was never an opportunity to save those people
The charges will be dropped but he's going to likely sue the County and I honestly couldn't blame him. If they want change, then pass some gun control laws or arm teachers and have metal detectors and remove the trash from classrooms
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He is a coward, and he should not be in public service, but he shouldn't be charged with a crime. And he'll get off on this, the Supreme Court already weighed in on it years ago -
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html .
And there are numerous state level cases around the nation that side with that opinion. This is one of those feel good prosecutions.
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He is a coward, and he should not be in public service, but he shouldn't be charged with a crime. And he'll get off on this, the Supreme Court already weighed in on it years ago -
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html .
And there are numerous state level cases around the nation that side with that opinion. This is one of those feel good prosecutions.
Better to be a coward than a dead moron. Shooting lasted 6 minutes.....no time whatsoever to play hero or save anyone.
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Updated 2:06 PM ET, Tue December 18, 2018
Judge rejects Parkland lawsuit, saying failure to stop shooting didn't violate 14th Amendment rights
(CNN)A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit brought by 15 survivors of this year's shooting massacre at Florida's Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, rejecting their argument that authorities' failure to prevent the shooting violated their 14th Amendment rights to due process.
The students had sued Broward County, the sheriff, the school superintendent and a school resource officer last summer in connection with the February shooting in Parkland, alleging they failed to protect them.
Authorities say Nikolas Cruz killed 17 people -- students and teachers -- at his former school on Valentine's Day in one of the deadliest mass shootings in recent US history. Cruz confessed to being the gunman, according to court documents.
In a ruling last week, US District Judge Beth Bloom wrote that the school and sheriff's department had no duty under the 14th Amendment itself to protect students from Cruz, contrary to what the lawsuit contended.
The amendment says, in part, that the state cannot deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Bloom, citing case law, wrote that the amendment generally protects people from actions by the state, rather than requiring the state protect them from third parties.
Her ruling acknowledges the state has a 14th Amendment duty to protect people in its custody, such as prisoners. But courts have rejected the notion that students are in custody in this way, even with laws compelling attendance, she wrote.
"Viewed properly, the claim arises from the actions of Cruz, a third party, and not a state actor," Bloom wrote. "Thus, the critical question the court analyzes is whether defendants had a constitutional duty to protect plaintiffs from the actions of Cruz.
"... For such a duty to exist on the part of defendants, plaintiffs would have to be considered to be in custody."
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He worked as a Deputy for 32 years and retired in 2010. He doesn't lose his pension because he's earned it long before this ever happened.
The charges are bullshit because a police officer is not a caregiver or parent. The man's obviously being used as a political scrapegoat . The only party that is guilty is Nicolas Cruz who actually shot the people. A police officer has no obligation to run into a building like TJ Hooker no more than a firefighter having an obligation to run into a burning building to rescue some moron who ran back in their house for their cell phone. BTW, the shooting lasted for 6 minutes so there was never an opportunity to save those people
The charges will be dropped but he's going to likely sue the County and I honestly couldn't blame him. If they want change, then pass some gun control laws or arm teachers and have metal detectors and remove the trash from classrooms
from the Sun Sentinel paper..........
Ex-Broward deputy Scot Peterson could lose his $8,702 monthly pension if he’s convicted of felony charges related to his inaction during last year’s Parkland school shooting.
Widely reviled as the “coward of Broward," Peterson was charged with child neglect, culpable negligence and perjury charges Tuesday for not rushing in to stop the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School that killed 17 staff and students.
Revelations of Peterson’s hefty pension led to a public outcry after the shooting, but former Gov. Rick Scott concluded the state could not lawfully withhold payments from Peterson, a 32-year law enforcement veteran.
Parkland school cop Scot Peterson gets $8,702 a month in pension »
State law allows for pensions to be stripped from officials who commit certain on-the-job felonies. A legal fight could follow if Peterson were found guilty.
State law lists specific charges that result in loss of pension, including embezzlement of public funds and bribery. But it also lists “any felony offense" committed “with intent to defraud the public or the public agency ... of the right to receive the faithful performance of his or her duty as a public officer."
Whether Peterson’s charges would qualify if he’s found guilty is unclear.
The Florida Department of Management Services, which handles the state’s pension system, did not return a phone message and email left late Tuesday.
Peterson faces seven felony charges of child neglect. The charges of perjury and culpable negligence are misdemeanors.
Mark Herron, a Tallahassee-based lawyer, said he’d need to do more legal research to say whether the charges Peterson faces could result in his losing his pension. Herron represented former Broward Sheriff Ken Jenne in his pension fight, which went all the way to the state Supreme Court.
Ultimately, Jenne lost his fight before the Supreme Court after serving 10 months for one count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and three counts of filing false tax returns.
Jared Moskowitz, a former state lawmaker who represented the Parkland area, tweeted Tuesday that Peterson should be stripped of his pension.
DOCUMENT: Charging warrant for former deputy Scot Peterson »
“I don’t think anybody who stands by and watches what took place in Parkland without taking any action deserves a golden parachute,” said Moskowitz, who now heads the state’s Division of Emergency Management.
State lawmakers filed a bill this year that would have stripped Peterson of his pension, but it didn’t gain traction. Peterson’s attorneys said the bill was unconstitutional because it would inflict injury on the former deputy without due process.
“Considering the news today, ultimately it looks like he is going to be held responsible for wrongdoing," said state Rep. Chip LaMarca, R-Lighthouse Point. "We don’t want to reward people for that type of behavior.”
Broward Commissioner Michael Udine called the charges a step toward Peterson’. "being stripped of his six-figure pension,”
Peterson started receiving his pension in April 2018 after he resigned his post Feb. 22, 2018, according to the Department of Management Services. He can receive the payments for the rest of his life.
‘I hope they make his life as miserable as possible,’ says Parkland dad »
Even though Peterson resigned, the Broward Sheriff’s Office terminated him Tuesday, an administrative action that will result in his record showing he was fired. He’ll also be unable to collect unused sick leave, an agency spokeswoman said.
The sheriff’s office referred questions about Peterson’s pension to the state.
The 56-year-old Peterson was paid $101,879.03 in 2017 — $75,673.72 in base salary plus overtime and other compensation, according to sheriff’s office records. Until the shooting, he was considered a trusted school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas, according to annual reviews of his performance.
He was eligible to retire from the agency in July 2010 when he had 25 years of service.
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I've already forgiven him.
That's very magnanimous of you.................cons idering that it wasn't your kids that got shot to hell while he played with his dick in the parking lot.
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out of curiosity how do you answer the following:
- hostage situation at a bank, unknown no of robbers. 1 cop - does he go in guns blazing?
- witness report shots heard fired from 1% motorcycle club. 1 cop arrives at the scene - does he go in?
- shouts heard from what seems to be the ice machine at the mirage. 1 cop at the scene - does he go in?
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out of curiosity how do you answer the following:
- hostage situation at a bank, unknown no of robbers. 1 cop - does he go in guns blazing?
- witness report shots heard fired from 1% motorcycle club. 1 cop arrives at the scene - does he go in?
- shouts heard from what seems to be the ice machine at the mirage. 1 cop at the scene - does he go in?
Typical liberal idiot tactic. Instead of discussing the topic at hand and what actually happened, you go into hypothetical "what ifs". When you ask stupid questions, you will often get stupid answers...............wh ich I'm sure is what you want. Distract, divert, dumb down.
At this point there have been enough school shootings for cops to have a reasonable idea what is going on. It probably isn't a bunch of ninjas or mercenaries trying to overthrow the United States. It's usually 1 or 2 untrained pukes that will slay their classmates and then cap themselves as soon as they are met with the slightest bit of armed resistance.
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out of curiosity how do you answer the following:
- hostage situation at a bank, unknown no of robbers. 1 cop - does he go in guns blazing?
- witness report shots heard fired from 1% motorcycle club. 1 cop arrives at the scene - does he go in?
- shouts heard from what seems to be the ice machine at the mirage. 1 cop at the scene - does he go in?
You shoudn't go in guns blazing, but you should at least try and get an idea of what you are dealing with. Then decide if you hunker down or engage.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/scot-peterson-video-footage-parkland-shooting.html?module=inline .
Here are the State's bones of contention -
1) He didn’t go into the building during the shooting or investigate the source of the gunfire.
Mr. Peterson had been trained that officers responding to an active shooter must “immediately go to confront the shooter” and “move directly and quickly toward known threat.”
But he did not enter the 1200 building at the school, where the gunman was shooting students and teachers, according to an affidavit filed in support of the warrant for his arrest.
2) Instead, he retreated to another building nearby.
Mr. Peterson fled to a spot about 75 feet away from the 1200 building, “remaining there during the entire incident” in what the affidavit described as “a position of increased personal safety.” The affidavit also quoted a student, Arman Borghei, who said that as shots were being fired in the 1200 building, he looked out a window and saw Mr. Peterson: “I just saw him standing on the side of the building with his gun drawn, not really doing anything.”
3) He advised other law enforcement officers to remain away from the building.
At 2:28 p.m. — seven minutes after the gunman entered the building — Mr. Peterson said over the radio: “Broward, do not approach the 12 or 1300 buildings. Stay at least 500 feet away at this point.” During the time Mr. Peterson remained outside the building, the gunman shot and killed six of his victims, including five students, and wounded four others, according to the affidavit. Seven of those victims were students under the age of 18, which is why Mr. Peterson was charged with seven counts of felony neglect of a child.
Mr. Peterson was charged with perjury for making a false statement that he did not hear any shots fired after he arrived at the building, except for the first two or three shots he heard, according to the affidavit.
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I am willing to forgive him on 1 and 2. Fog of War, no one knows how they will react. But #3 is indefensible.
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Typical liberal idiot tactic. Instead of discussing the topic at hand and what actually happened, you go into hypothetical "what ifs". When you ask stupid questions, you will often get stupid answers...............wh ich I'm sure is what you want. Distract, divert, dumb down.
At this point there have been enough school shootings for cops to have a reasonable idea what is going on. It probably isn't a bunch of ninjas or mercenaries trying to overthrow the United States. It's usually 1 or 2 untrained pukes that will slay their classmates and then cap themselves as soon as they are met with the slightest bit of armed resistance.
but the general idea seems to be that 1 lone cop ALWAYS should dive head first into any situation, that doesnt seem reasonable, in fact is that even protocol? isnt awaiting for backup what a lone cop should be doing in pretty much every situation?
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Mr. Peterson had been trained that officers
officers as in several or just one?
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but the general idea seems to be that 1 lone cop ALWAYS should dive head first into any situation
I do not accept your false premise.
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I do not accept your false premise.
all this time theyve done it wrong.
police having partners. swat team being a team.
it just takes one cop to handle a situation, doesnt matter if he's up against schoolshooters, terrorists, gangbangers... when he hear the gun shot, he goes and take care of business. when they call him on the radio he responds "i got this. do not. i repeat. do not send backup. no need".
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all this time theyve done it wrong.
police having partners. swat team being a team.
it just takes one cop to handle a situation, doesnt matter if he's up against schoolshooters, terrorists, gangbangers... when he hear the gun shot, he goes and take care of business. when they call him on the radio he responds "i got this. do not. i repeat. do not send backup. no need".
This would be a compelling argument to someone who didn't take the time to learn what actually happened on that day.
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I think that prosecuting this guy is unjust. Fire him, ban him from law enforcement, sure. What they are doing is treating him like he shot those kids. He did not.
He bitched out, which a lot of people would do if they were asked to charge in and face an active shooter situation. He deserves a bit of scorn and punishment. He does not deserve to go to prison.
I'm angry with him, I'm deeply saddened and disappointed with his actions. Regardless, he doesn't deserve to be made a scapegoat.
I agree with you. The one responsible for the shooting was the shooter.
Tactics originally taught was that you wait for a team of four to enter an active shooter. The newest training that started about 15 years ago is that the first to arrive goes in alone. The second to arrive goes in alone. Only when four arrive together as cars rush to the active shooter goes in what's called a diamond formation. If I understand correctly there was a female Captain that arrived too and ordered the men to hang back until more cops arrived that violated the current tactics used.
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Oh brother we have our very own Rambo posting on getbig.
Go getem Tiger ::)
Settle down, TwinkleJ. ::)
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He worked as a Deputy for 32 years and retired in 2010. He doesn't lose his pension because he's earned it long before this ever happened.
The charges are bullshit because a police officer is not a caregiver or parent. The man's obviously being used as a political scrapegoat . The only party that is guilty is Nicolas Cruz who actually shot the people. A police officer has no obligation to run into a building like TJ Hooker no more than a firefighter having an obligation to run into a burning building to rescue some moron who ran back in their house for their cell phone. BTW, the shooting lasted for 6 minutes so there was never an opportunity to save those people
The charges will be dropped but he's going to likely sue the County and I honestly couldn't blame him. If they want change, then pass some gun control laws or arm teachers and have metal detectors and remove the trash from classrooms
Yep he was not legally a caregiver with direct responsibility for the welfare of the students. Even if convicted it will be overturned on appeal.
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I agree with you. The one responsible for the shooting was the shooter.
Tactics originally taught was that you wait for a team of four to enter an active shooter. The newest training that started about 15 years ago is that the first to arrive goes in alone. The second to arrive goes in alone. Only when four arrive together as cars rush to the active shooter goes in what's called a diamond formation. If I understand correctly there was a female Captain that arrived too and ordered the men to hang back until more cops arrived that violated the current tactics used.
Yes, it seems like there was an organizational failure there too, not just one man.
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F'ing coward.
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That's very magnanimous of you.................cons idering that it wasn't your kids that got shot to hell while he played with his dick in the parking lot.
He was looking at pictures of your mother while playing with said dick.
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He was looking at pictures of your mother while playing with said dick.
Clothed or unclothed?
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F'ing coward.
Bloody oath
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Clothed or unclothed?
He wasn't wearing any clothes.