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Title: Are you really stronger Eccentrically?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 06, 2019, 08:23:15 AM

I recently heard Eric Helms say this on a Podcast as though it were a given.The conventional theory is that you can use more weight eccentrically than concentrically, therefore you’re stronger at the former. The faulty assumption is that you’re doing the same thing. You’re not. When lifting a weight concentrically, you’re completely overcoming gravity to the point where the weight is moving in the opposite direction. In a negative, you’re essentially just slowing down the weight but it’s still moving in the same direction.


Apologies for the training thread😢

Title: Re: Are you really stronger Eccentrically?
Post by: jpm101 on July 06, 2019, 09:38:29 AM

Actually your overcoming/battling gravity in both eccentrically and concentrically training. And more in the lowering of a weight in a controlled and slower manner, given the equal mass of that said weight and following the same path as the contraction, but at a slower time ratio..   Volume + Distance + Time factor. The human body is, at a larger percentage,much stronger in an eccentrically  motion than a concentrically motion. There is also static training,which could also be included in a eccentrically and concentrically protocol.

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Title: Re: Are you really stronger Eccentrically?
Post by: Kwon on July 06, 2019, 09:40:18 AM

Not as strong these days, but i sure am Excentric!

Title: Re: Are you really stronger Eccentrically?
Post by: IroNat on July 06, 2019, 09:41:30 AM

Read once the risk of injury is greater with eccentrics so should be used infrequently.

Probably because of the greater load.

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Title: Re: Are you really stronger Eccentrically?
Post by: jpm101 on July 06, 2019, 11:31:55 AM

Negatives are used as an auxiliary method, combined with regular workouts. Not meant as a stand alone only way to train. Lowering in a negative manner, weight  need not be extra heavy. But most of the time, usually is.

Guy's who can only do 1 or 2 bwt pullup's at the most, can find themselves maybe doing  4-5 or more with negatives.  Same can apply to benches and just about everything else. and even curls (BB or DB). One note of caution, please have one or two (preferred) good spotter's when doing benches or similar movements if trying negatives. Though pullups/chins are pretty simple to do alone.

Do the normal benching workout. Have the last two sets as negatives, with adding some extra plates. Control the weight from the top to the bottom and please don't get carried aways if this a new method of training for you. Some guy's attempt doing feats of strength rather than common sense workouts in training.

Other advance forms of Eccentrically/Negative training to do searches on. The above are pretty much the basics. Just use caution. But do approach each workout with serious intent. Negatives need not be dangerous if approached with common sense, like anything else in training..If it doesn't feel right with you, than don't do it.



Good Luck.

Title: Re: Are you really stronger Eccentrically?
Post by: funk51 on July 06, 2019, 12:06:10 PM

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 06, 2019, 08:23:15 AM

I recently heard Eric Helms say this on a Podcast as though it were a given.The conventional theory is that you can use more weight eccentrically than concentrically, therefore you’re stronger at the former. The faulty assumption is that you’re doing the same thing. You’re not. When lifting a weight concentrically, you’re completely overcoming gravity to the point where the weight is moving in the opposite direction. In a negative, you’re essentially just slowing down the weight but it’s still moving in the same direction.


Apologies for the training thread😢

    it depends on the exercise is it a pulling or pushing movement.. overload the lowering of a bicep curl and you increase the risk of injury.