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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: evbodybuilding on August 12, 2019, 11:26:30 PM
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Mariola Sabanovic-Suarez died just two days after competing at the 2019 Tampa Pro.
She was just 43 and was reported that she died of a heart-attack.
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:'( PIP
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WOW,that`s too young.
RIP
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A bunch of gals died of heart attacks in the last few years (40's, 50's) knows testosterone users.
Test use for gal's is much more toxic than it is for men, read some studies after a local competitor around here passed in her sleep at like age 50.
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Better to die young after experiencing the glory of competitive bodybuilding than to live a life devoid of plastic trophies.
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Female bodies can't take the extreme lengths of PED's and pushing bodies to the max as much.
Flo Jo is a big example. Pushed the body as far as it can go in an extreme sport, holding the world record for 30 years and still holding. Dies before 40
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Better to die young after experiencing the glory of competitive bodybuilding than to live a life devoid of plastic trophies.
QFT...
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A bunch of gals died of heart attacks in the last few years (40's, 50's) knows testosterone users.
Test use for gal's is much more toxic than it is for men, read some studies after a local competitor around here passed in her sleep at like age 50.
Yep. And interestingly enough, a male given high doses of estrogen can also have a high rate of heart attacks. Don't mess with Mother Nature...
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Yep. And interestingly enough, a male given high doses of estrogen can also have a high rate of heart attacks. Don't mess with Mother Nature...
Tell that to the LGBT deviants you fascist! :D
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Tell that to the LGBT deviants you fascist! :D
lol - I know :) I really expect to see the death rate among hormone taking transgenders of both types to skyrocket in the coming years when all the statistics are tallied.
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Mariola Sabanovic-Suarez died just two days after competing at the 2019 Tampa Pro.
She was just 43 and was reported that she died of a heart-attack.
Full story https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/mariola-sabanovic-suarez-dies/ (https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/mariola-sabanovic-suarez-dies/)
(https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Mariola-Sabanovic-Suarez50.jpg)
her smile is nice -
wonder if it was diuretic related?
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her smile is nice -
wonder if it was diuretic related?
That was my initial guess. She's not exactly spilling over in that picture.
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That was my initial guess. She's not exactly spilling over in that picture.
or hard core clen usage/fat burners.
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That was my initial guess. She's not exactly spilling over in that picture.
My first guess also.
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She played and lost, whoooooo cares!
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Healthy sport of pissssss
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her smile is nice -
wonder if it was diuretic related?
Perhaps so. I was thinking she looked waay over-dieted for that show - so do these girls mess with things like DNP or thyroid...?
Happier times - PIP
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Perhaps so. I was thinking she looked waay over-dieted for that show - so do these girls mess with things like DNP or thyroid...?
Happier times - PIP
I know they mess with clen for sure.
chics cannot handle rec drugs and bbing drugs like a male can.... (not a metoo comment) just bro science and personal observation that chics cannot handle the chemicals
she looks like a nice gal based on her smile :)
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Congenital stupidity takes another one.
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her smile is nice -
wonder if it was diuretic related?
Taco, I think her smile has nothing to do with diuretics. It is likely a genetic gift.
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Taco, I think her smile has nothing to do with diuretics. It is likely a genetic gift.
puns ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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her smile is nice -
wonder if it was diuretic related?
Milos Sarcev went in depth on Palumbo about it and both agreed it's likely Aldactone or some potassium sparing diuretic. Apparently Aldactone is really popular now with Gurus but they think because it's potassium sparing, they can slam potassium and especially after the competition, they refeed and often there's a ton of potassium in the system but outside the cell and this is why guys cramp up so severely and die. Benaziza died with Aldactone when he froze up and clueless paramedics gave him a hydrating intravenous solution with electrolytes like potassium. thinking normally he was hypokalemic as part of dehydration, not realizing a potassium sparing diuretic cramp is from hyperkalemia, and giving more potassium will kill them, as the heart is a muscle and will cramp up also in a hyperkalemic state. She was probably eating bananas and drinking electrolytes after the show with a potassium sparing diuretic still in her system. Says Milos.
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Milos Sarcev went in depth on Palumbo about it and both agreed it's likely Aldactone or some potassium sparing diuretic. Apparently Aldactone is really popular now with Gurus but they think because it's potassium sparing, they can slam potassium and especially after the competition, they refeed and often there's a ton of potassium in the system but outside the cell and this is why guys cramp up so severely and die. Benaziza died with Aldactone when he froze up and clueless paramedics gave him a hydrating intravenous solution with electrolytes like potassium. thinking normally he was hypokalemic as part of dehydration, not realizing a potassium sparing diuretic cramp is from hyperkalemia, and giving more potassium will kill them, as the heart is a muscle and will cramp up also in a hyperkalemic state. She was probably eating bananas and drinking electrolytes after the show with a potassium sparing diuretic still in her system. Says Milos.
Can paramedics really be expected to have all this specific bodybuilding cutting cycle knowledge though?
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Can paramedics really be expected to have all this specific bodybuilding cutting cycle knowledge though?
That story is fishy, nobody would replace potassium without getting baseline labs first. Nevermind the fact that you treat dehydration by replacing fluids, not potassium.
Maybe they used Lacted Ringers solution which does contain some potassium, but at physiological levels: 4mmol of K+/liter. Consider that normal potassium levels are generally considered to be 3.5-5.0mmol/L, large amounts of LR would normalize levels of potassium towards 4mmol/L, right in the "sweet spot".
It sounds like Momo was fucked from too many diuretics and Milos tried to make it sound like the paramedics were the ones that tipped him over the edge, not Benazziza's drug use or Milo's "expert" advice
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That story is fishy, nobody would replace potassium without getting baseline labs first. Nevermind the fact that you treat dehydration by replacing fluids, not potassium.
Maybe they used Lacted Ringers solution which does contain some potassium, but at physiological levels: 4mmol of K+/liter. Consider that normal potassium levels are generally considered to be 3.5-5.0mmol/L, large amounts of LR would normalize levels of potassium towards 4mmol/L, right in the "sweet spot".
It sounds like Momo was fucked from too many diuretics and Milos tried to make it sound like the paramedics were the ones that tipped him over the edge, not Benazziza's drug use or Milo's "expert" advice
Sounds like you have a lot of knowledge.
So would that have been a pretty obvious error by the paramedics then?
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Sounds like you have a lot of knowledge.
So would that have been a pretty obvious error by the paramedics then?
I have some knowledge of medicine, probably more than Milos. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a lot though ;D
And no, I'm doubting Milos Sarcev's version of the events. From what I recall this took place overseas so maybe emergency medical services has a broader scope of practice than in the US, but no EMT/paramedic here would administer potassium to somebody in the field for several reasons. They would get him to a hospital as quickly as possible, where a full diagnostic workup could be initiated.
MAYBE they started a potassium containing drip (eg: lactated ringers solution) but as mentioned that shouldn't have exacerbated the situation to the point of killing him.
Beneziza probably overdid it with the diuretics, possibly at the advice of Sarcev, and so Milos spins the the story in such a way so as to make himself look good and the paramedics as bungling idiots.
The error, if any, lies with Beneziza. He overdid it with the diuretics, possibly at the behest of Sarcev.
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That story is fishy, nobody would replace potassium without getting baseline labs first. Nevermind the fact that you treat dehydration by replacing fluids, not potassium.
Maybe they used Lacted Ringers solution which does contain some potassium, but at physiological levels: 4mmol of K+/liter. Consider that normal potassium levels are generally considered to be 3.5-5.0mmol/L, large amounts of LR would normalize levels of potassium towards 4mmol/L, right in the "sweet spot".
It sounds like Momo was fucked from too many diuretics and Milos tried to make it sound like the paramedics were the ones that tipped him over the edge, not Benazziza's drug use or Milo's "expert" advice
Actually Milos said he saved Mustafa Mohammeds life by DEMANDING a doctor who was about to give an electrolyte/potassium drip to Mohammed when he came to the ER cramped up to test to show he was hyperkalemic not hypo...the doctor did test, saw all the potassium and Milos saved his life by demanding the tests and forbidding the electrolyte i.v. Milos knew he was on Aldactone and didn't want to see another Benaziza. Someone extremely dehydrated it's just normal protocol as average doctors would not understand diuretic use for bodybuilding. Again, says Milos.
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lol - I know :) I really expect to see the death rate among hormone taking transgenders of both types to skyrocket in the coming years when all the statistics are tallied.
Ahhh Some Good News about the weirdos
;D
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Here's what Milos said here on GETBIG in 08 about it
MILOS
Momo was taking Potassium sparing diuretic (ALDACTONE/Spirinolactone) for several days while carbing up with foods containing high amounts of potassium...
I am not sure IF he used INSULIN at the time...Some people claim he did - I simply don't know and would not want to assume...
There is NO difference anyway...insulin or not he was hyperkalemic (condition where TOO MUCH potassium was circulating in his blood stream).
Mistake of the doctor was catastrophic - and I would like to warn some of the competitors here on board of possible outcome IF they or someone they know - take potassium sparing diuretics in their contest preparation.
While carbing up for the show - usual choices of carbs for bodybuilders are also HIGH in potassium - which means - in couple of days of eating high amounts of carbohydrate containing foods which are also (accidently) filled with high levels of potassium... while taking pharmaceutical agent (type of diuretics from potassium sparing group of diuretics...most commonly used in bodybuilding circles is ALDACTONE - brand name of Spirinolactone ) which causes accumulation of potassium in blood circulation of competitors choosing common method of "peaking" for bodybuilding events...
To add "insult to injury" at the same time (last two - three days leading up to the show) bodybuilders restrict their fluid intake (individual differences go from slightly reducing their usual amounts of fluids - to drastic reductions) and some actually - COMPLETELY ELIMINATE IT...Some eliminate for just several hours...but some (even certain mr. olympia winner ) eliminate every type of fluids for 1-2 even 3 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some competitors "compromise" and take watery types of fruits instead...and that was the case with Momo.
I actually happen to know A LOT OF his "secrets" as we discussed numerous things and exchanged our experiences...
Momo was taking pounds of apples...He would peel them and than make apple sauce from it.
That was his absolute favorite choice of carbs for "loading phase"...and he would not drink anything LAST TWO DAYS...while taking Aldactone + Aldactazide...and occasionally additional diuretics IF he needs it...Which was the case at that 1992 Euro Tour.
Anyway, he was KILLED by LETHAL INJECTION from ignorant doctor ( actually WHO KNOWS IF moron who came to Momo's room was licensed...? ) Hmmmm, Thierry Pastel was the only guy who was present when doctor Moron came to Momos room and brilliantly - without checking the levels of potassium in Momos blood - injected, one of the very best bodybuilders and absolutely wonderful human being Mohammed Momo Benaziza - with Potassium injection...assuming that Momo must be HYPOKALEMIC instead...
Assumption of medical practitioners when they see dehydrated person is - that due to diuresis and loss of large amounts of water - particular person must be in hypokalemic state (when insufficient amount of potassium is floating around in the blood stream - due to "mineral flush" i.e. loss of minerals caused by loss of large amounts of water or dehydration...)...
It is CRITICAL to check levels of potassium of dehydrated patient before anyone injects that patient with usual potassium or injection that contains mixture of electrolytes/minerals particularly also high in potassium...)
To hydrate patient saline solution would be fine...but NO potassium in any shape or form should be administered to dehydrated patient who used potassium sparing diuretics in contest preparation...!
Remember that - as it might save some lives...
PS - I wrote the article about it...it is "somewhere" on my board....HYPERKALEMIA article in European Flex section...I can find it right now - as I must run...
I hope this helps...
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Yeah that story is full of holes.
A) Potassium isn't injected, it's administered as a slow infusion, usually over 2 hours/10mEq. Rapid infusion will render the heart unable to beat. Also, it's a very acidic solution and is caustic to the veins when administered at a rapid rate.
B) Hypovolemia can present with high or low potassium, so no Dr with half a brain would assume that a hypovolemic patient is hypokalemic. Nobody would ever assume the potassium level of ANY patient simply because it's such a critical electrolyte
C) A hyperkalemic patient will have an EKG that is immediately recognizable and totally different than a patient with low potassium. No mistaking the two.
D) Again, a patient who is fluid-depleted will be treated with isotonic fluids. Not potassium (assuming bloodwork doesn't reveal any major type of deficiency).
Was it possible that this doctor was intoxicated and committed grave medical malpractice? Sure, but as Sarcev admits, the only other person in the room was Thierry Pastel. So this is a third-hand account, witnessed by someone with little medical knowledge, ie: the whole story is suspect.
To me, it's more likely that Sarcev's telling of the story is inaccurate. But if you want to believe that the medical staff at the hospital committed a series of serious, basic errors that would probably result in the revocation of the licenses of everyone involved, go ahead.
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Yeah that story is full of holes.
A) Potassium isn't injected, it's administered as a slow infusion, usually over 2 hours/10mEq. Rapid infusion will render the heart unable to beat. Also, it's a very acidic solution and is caustic to the veins when administered at a rapid rate.
B) Hypovolemia can present with high or low potassium, so no Dr with half a brain would assume that a hypovolemic patient is hypokalemic. Nobody would ever assume the potassium level of ANY patient simply because it's such a critical electrolyte
C) A hyperkalemic patient will have an EKG that is immediately recognizable and totally different than a patient with low potassium. No mistaking the two.
D) Again, a patient who is fluid-depleted will be treated with isotonic fluids. Not potassium (assuming bloodwork doesn't reveal any major type of deficiency).
Was it possible that this doctor was intoxicated and committed grave medical malpractice? Sure, but as Sarcev admits, the only other person in the room was Thierry Pastel. So this is a third-hand account, witnessed by someone with little medical knowledge, ie: the whole story is suspect.
To me, it's more likely that Sarcev's telling of the story is inaccurate. But if you want to believe that the medical staff at the hospital committed a series of serious, basic errors that would probably result in the revocation of the licenses of everyone involved, go ahead.
No, just a fan and enthusiast. Don't believe anything really either way. About anything, especially in the internet bodybuilding world. Like Palumbo saying synthol creates REAL,PERMANENT muscle that is there forever, but of course only the magic synthol on his website with their magical "transporters".