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Title: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2019, 12:21:54 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Dave D on August 14, 2019, 12:28:42 PM
Big deal.

I have the same painting and barely half of Epstein's wealth.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Twaddle on August 14, 2019, 12:32:31 PM
Big deal.

I have the same painting and barely half of Epstein's wealth.

I have one too.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cCNCYfsW/17244464-7353967-Jeffrey-Epstein-had-a-bizarre-portrait-of-Bill.jpg)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2019, 12:34:29 PM
I have one too.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cCNCYfsW/17244464-7353967-Jeffrey-Epstein-had-a-bizarre-portrait-of-Bill.jpg)

Lmfao 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Straw Man on August 14, 2019, 12:41:46 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html

let me know when you've got video



Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: XFACTOR on August 14, 2019, 01:17:01 PM
Can’t get over how dumb people are here. It’s sad.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2019, 01:17:13 PM
let me know when you've got video





Nice try libtard. Your boy is going down....
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: che on August 14, 2019, 01:57:58 PM
Can’t get over how dumb The Coach is . It’s sad.

FIXED
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: XFACTOR on August 14, 2019, 02:22:06 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html

dude to actually make a thread about this and using a tabloid news site??? I'm sorry but you are really dumb.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: SOMEPARTS on August 14, 2019, 02:41:44 PM
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: SF1900 on August 14, 2019, 02:44:47 PM
 Can someone confirm that this was not Photoshopped?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: XFACTOR on August 14, 2019, 02:52:28 PM
Can someone confirm that this was not Photoshopped?

Yes the national enquirer and coach confirmed
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2019, 02:59:28 PM
dude to actually make a thread about this and using a tabloid news site??? I'm sorry but you are really dumb.

Interesting, it was posted by Mike Cernovich the guy who got Epstein case reopened that lead to this latest investigation......oops, guess that was fake as well ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: stuntmovie on August 14, 2019, 03:39:31 PM
????
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 14, 2019, 03:49:44 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html

It was a painting...sick though
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: SF1900 on August 14, 2019, 03:50:32 PM
It was a painting...sick though

Vince, but did Bill pose for the painting?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: oldtimer1 on August 14, 2019, 03:51:26 PM
let me know when you've got video





That was a broadway comedy act where the Mayor dressed in drag. No equivalence.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Royalty on August 14, 2019, 03:52:30 PM
Why would anyone want a painting like that in their home?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Bevo on August 14, 2019, 03:55:54 PM
Vince, but did Bill pose for the painting?

I would buy one if Vince CFBNBCCNN posed for one
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2019, 05:50:14 PM
Yes the national enquirer and coach confirmed

https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/epstein-had-bizarre-painting-of-bill-clinton-in-dress-heels-in-townhouse/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&sr_share=facebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow&fbclid=IwAR0vJo1PI0lOAx3qztDB-X8nuLm2-za_TAxR55wt7livosRZp8fT6PxaPtk

Not exactly tabloid
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Straw Man on August 14, 2019, 06:24:35 PM
That was a broadway comedy act where the Mayor dressed in drag. No equivalence.

what were all these other times about?

He sure seems to be enjoying himself

When he left he wife didn't he move into an apartment with two gay guys

Seems weird that he wouldn't just get his own place

Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: chaos on August 14, 2019, 06:37:53 PM
what were all these other times about?

He sure seems to be enjoying himself

When he left he wife didn't he move into an apartment with two gay guys

Seems weird that he wouldn't just get his own place


You seem to have quite a problem with crossdressers, you racist bigot!!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: TheShape. on August 14, 2019, 06:55:22 PM
what were all these other times about?

He sure seems to be enjoying himself

When he left he wife didn't he move into an apartment with two gay guys

Seems weird that he wouldn't just get his own place


That is a bit fucked yes.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
what were all these other times about?

He sure seems to be enjoying himself

When he left he wife didn't he move into an apartment with two gay guys

Seems weird that he wouldn't just get his own place



I’m sorry, what part of Epstein’s house were those hanging in again?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: LittleJ on August 14, 2019, 07:05:50 PM
You seem to have quite a problem with crossdressers, you racist bigot!!

You're the same person that said transgender shouldn't be allowed in the military. Whats wrong, the trannies in LA rejected you? Fking racist
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: XFACTOR on August 14, 2019, 07:12:15 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/epstein-had-bizarre-painting-of-bill-clinton-in-dress-heels-in-townhouse/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&sr_share=facebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow&fbclid=IwAR0vJo1PI0lOAx3qztDB-X8nuLm2-za_TAxR55wt7livosRZp8fT6PxaPtk

Not exactly tabloid

You can’t be this dumb??  It was a painting you know that right? Is it weird yes. But it’s not a photo
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Desolate on August 14, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
It just goes to show what Epstein thought of old "Bubba" Bill.

When a guy like Epstein rips on you for your proclivities, ouch. :P
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: LittleJ on August 14, 2019, 07:53:58 PM
I always assumed Coach was trolling. The guy cant be this stupid.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Primemuscle on August 14, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
I always assumed Coach was trolling. The guy cant be this stupid.

I prefer naive.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: SOMEPARTS on August 14, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DisO9vzWAAAfkY0.jpg)


Lest you all forget Lewinksy Dress was blue. Could have been a tongue in cheek brag about it.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Desolate on August 14, 2019, 08:09:08 PM
Lest you all forget Lewinksy Dress was blue. Could have been a tongue in cheek brag about it.

That is exactly what it was.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Desolate on August 14, 2019, 08:15:35 PM
Quote
Alleged child trafficker Jeffrey Epstein is said to have owned an eccentric painting of former President Bill Clinton wearing a dress and heels hanging in his New York City mansion, according to a report.

The Daily Mail, citing an anonymous source who spotted the painting during a business meeting at Epstein’s home, reports Clinton is depicted as wearing a blue dress and red heels, while posing “suggestively” in a chair inside the Oval Office. The Mail states the dress was strongly reminiscent of the blue dress that Monica Lewinsky, the White House intern whom Clinton admitted to having an affair with as president, had previously worn.

The painting was secretly snapped inside the pedophile’s lavish $56 million home in October 2012, four years after Epstein completed his sweetheart deal for prostitution of a minor and seven years before he was accused of running a sex trafficking ring of underage girls.

She told DailyMailTV: ‘It was absolutely Bill Clinton. It was shocking – it was definitely a painting of him. It was a very provocative, sexual picture. He was wearing heels, a blue dress and his hand was in a weird position.’
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 14, 2019, 10:44:49 PM
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Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: XFACTOR on August 15, 2019, 04:17:32 AM
I always assumed Coach was trolling. The guy cant be this stupid.

I thought he was too.  But he's seriously that dumb.  He posts articles and doesn't understand context of even what is written.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: IronMeister on August 15, 2019, 10:24:27 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/BQXSLx6b/buttsile.png)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: youandme on August 15, 2019, 11:55:17 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/BQXSLx6b/buttsile.png)

Dang, that's some impressive PS.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: residue on August 15, 2019, 01:38:13 PM
I’m sorry, what part of Epstein’s house were those hanging in again?

and you think he did it as some sort of tribute? and not as mockery?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: SOMEPARTS on August 15, 2019, 01:42:49 PM
Haha, I missed the Sandow...
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 15, 2019, 01:55:39 PM
You can’t be this dumb??  It was a painting you know that right? Is it weird yes. But it’s not a photo

Lets see if I can own you twice. 1. Where did I say it was a photo? 2. It's all over the news now, where exactly is the tabloid you speak of or are you like a Strawman, a Clinton fanboy?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: mphgrove on August 15, 2019, 02:25:27 PM
Interesting, it was posted by Mike Cernovich the guy who got Epstein case reopened that lead to this latest investigation......oops, guess that was fake as well ::)

Who gives a shit. And the President encourages this kind of bull by being on Twitter all night. Sad times.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: IRON CROSS on August 15, 2019, 05:28:48 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/BQXSLx6b/buttsile.png)

Outstanding work IronM.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: chaos on August 15, 2019, 07:38:13 PM
You're the same person that said transgender shouldn't be allowed in the military. Whats wrong, the trannies in LA rejected you? Fking racist
They shouldn't be, they have the highest rate of suicide/attempted suicide of any sexual deviancy, you fucking racist.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Skeletor on August 16, 2019, 01:56:29 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/BQXSLx6b/buttsile.png)

Vince had the blue dress before the blue stars.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Primemuscle on August 16, 2019, 02:10:38 PM
They shouldn't be, they have the highest rate of suicide/attempted suicide of any sexual deviancy, you fucking racist.

To be clear, Clinton wearing a dress and heels is simply cross-dressing, it wouldn't even make him a true transvestite. People cross-dress all the time and it doesn't cause them to become suicidal. One can only imagine the mental anguish transgender people feel. Whether it's hysteria or something deeper, I believe feeling like you are in the wrong body on a continual basis and suffering the cruel ridicule from people who don't know you, is enough to make all but the strongest people consider suicide at some point.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Desolate on August 17, 2019, 05:18:25 PM
One can only imagine the mental anguish transgender people feel. Whether it's hysteria or something deeper, I believe feeling like you are in the wrong body on a continual basis and suffering the cruel ridicule from people who don't know you, is enough to make all but the strongest people consider suicide at some point.

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: IRON CROSS on August 17, 2019, 05:51:21 PM
To be clear, Clinton wearing a dress and heels is simply cross-dressing, it wouldn't even make him a true transvestite. People cross-dress all the time and it doesn't cause them to become suicidal. One can only imagine the mental anguish transgender people feel. Whether it's hysteria or something deeper, I believe feeling like you are in the wrong body on a continual basis and suffering the cruel ridicule from people who don't know you, is enough to make all but the strongest people consider suicide at some point.


Hi PRUDENCE !.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: XFACTOR on August 18, 2019, 01:11:42 PM
Lets see if I can own you twice. 1. Where did I say it was a photo? 2. It's all over the news now, where exactly is the tabloid you speak of or are you like a Strawman, a Clinton fanboy?

It’s nuts your stupidity level.  Read your thread title Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and heels. Followed by link to a tabloid. You need to some how get smarter. It’s a satire painting.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: illuminati on August 18, 2019, 03:59:00 PM
Who gives a shit. And the President encourages this kind of bull by being on Twitter all night. Sad times.

That’s part of the problem - Who gives a shit ? Nobody & so it just carries on
Getting worse & weirder - Perhaps we should give a shit.
It’s always been sad times only now with Internet & social media everywhere
We see it everyday all the time.

As fast as we’re supposedly advancing we’re also decaying in other areas.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: illuminati on August 18, 2019, 04:05:56 PM
To be clear, Clinton wearing a dress and heels is simply cross-dressing, it wouldn't even make him a true transvestite. People cross-dress all the time and it doesn't cause them to become suicidal. One can only imagine the mental anguish transgender people feel. Whether it's hysteria or something deeper, I believe feeling like you are in the wrong body on a continual basis and suffering the cruel ridicule from people who don't know you, is enough to make all but the strongest people consider suicide at some point.


Do you also feel for those who think they are a Tree or other type of animal
And have to live out their lives in a human form.
No doubt they also suffer mental anguish & are prone to suicide
If not strong enough to cope.

It’s a tough world by Nature & it’s Nature’s way of dealing with it’s own fuck ups
Yet more & more SJW/ Leftists demand we pander this crap.
It’s a wreaking of the genome & species as it continues.

Harsh Reality- Yes.
Have we become to caring & compassionate for our own good.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 18, 2019, 04:38:22 PM
It’s nuts your stupidity level.  Read your thread title Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and heels. Followed by link to a tabloid. You need to some how get smarter. It’s a satire painting.

Please, I’ve given you several links. It’s viral. Satire or not it’s hanging in Epstein’s house.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: chaos on August 18, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
To be clear, Clinton wearing a dress and heels is simply cross-dressing, it wouldn't even make him a true transvestite. People cross-dress all the time and it doesn't cause them to become suicidal. One can only imagine the mental anguish transgender people feel. Whether it's hysteria or something deeper, I believe feeling like you are in the wrong body on a continual basis and suffering the cruel ridicule from people who don't know you, is enough to make all but the strongest people consider suicide at some point.
Nobody cares about trannies, it's a talking point blown out of proportion by the media for ratings.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 20, 2019, 05:11:22 PM
 ;D

https://www.facebook.com/153657598048710/posts/2379333232147791?s=1301686040&v=e&sfns=mo
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Primemuscle on August 20, 2019, 05:20:14 PM

Do you also feel for those who think they are a Tree or other type of animal
And have to live out their lives in a human form.
No doubt they also suffer mental anguish & are prone to suicide
If not strong enough to cope.

It’s a tough world by Nature & it’s Nature’s way of dealing with it’s own fuck ups
Yet more & more SJW/ Leftists demand we pander this crap.
It’s a wreaking of the genome & species as it continues.

Harsh Reality- Yes.
Have we become to caring & compassionate for our own good.

Believing you are a tree is not comparable to believing you are meant to be a different gender.

How is a belief wrecking the human species and genome? DNA doesn't change regardless of how much you change your thinking or your gender.

-Not sure how compassion can be anything but good as long as you also remember to look out for yourself. It is possible to be compassionate and not interfere with the order of things. 
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: illuminati on August 20, 2019, 08:10:09 PM
Believing you are a tree is not comparable to believing you are meant to be a different gender.

How is a belief wrecking the human species and genome? DNA doesn't change regardless of how much you change your thinking or your gender.

-Not sure how compassion can be anything but good as long as you also remember to look out for yourself. It is possible to be compassionate and not interfere with the order of things. 

Isn’t it ?  What about believing you are dog / elephant / or other animal ?
They’re all issues within the mind.
No different to thinking your the opposite sex.
Believe/ accept one & Believe & accept all.

The human species as all others by nature is based on the The survival
Of the Strongest Genes - In ever increasing numbers society is going in
The opposite direction - it won’t end well for us.
Nature cannot be beaten.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: mac33 on August 20, 2019, 11:48:19 PM
Believing you are a tree is not comparable to believing you are meant to be a different gender.

How is a belief wrecking the human species and genome? DNA doesn't change regardless of how much you change your thinking or your gender.

-Not sure how compassion can be anything but good as long as you also remember to look out for yourself. It is possible to be compassionate and not interfere with the order of things. 

You can not change your gender, delusions are not facts of nature. Science tells you what gender you are based on your DNA, denying it is in the category of flat earthers.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Primemuscle on August 21, 2019, 12:29:19 AM
You can not change your gender, delusions are not facts of nature. Science tells you what gender you are based on your DNA, denying it is in the category of flat earthers.

You may be right, but it seems like it is a little more complicated than what you suggest.

If a person has a total gender reassignment ... - Understanding Genetics

https://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask35
Jul 23, 2004 - So as you can see, with a sex change operation the underlying DNA stays whatever sex they started out with. The hormone injections, though, cause a different set of genes on the DNA to be turned on so that you get, for example, a male pattern of gene expression in someone who is XX.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: mac33 on August 21, 2019, 11:47:36 AM
Changing hormone balances in your body does not change your gender.

You forget that the whole skeletal and facial structure, brain, empathy,... are connected to levels of testosterone pre-birth when you were growing as a human. A lot of it had to do with your genetics but social warriors ignore science as usual.

Steroids do affect the psyche and structure of body but don`t forget, you need to artificially keep the hormone levels at a certain level, it is not a natural state of the body.

Still, your DNA and the way you were designed by nature does not change with artificial levels of testosterone or testosterone suppressors.

Plus, the suicide rate among people who can not live with what nature gave them is very high and it is not from pressure of society as it is usually said.

It is criminal that they are encouraged as what they are doing is a thing of bravery when they clearly need counselling for issues they can not resolve with physical operations and hormone intake...



Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: illuminati on August 21, 2019, 01:34:38 PM
You may be right, but it seems like it is a little more complicated than what you suggest.

If a person has a total gender reassignment ... - Understanding Genetics

https://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask35
Jul 23, 2004 - So as you can see, with a sex change operation the underlying DNA stays whatever sex they started out with. The hormone injections, though, cause a different set of genes on the DNA to be turned on so that you get, for example, a male pattern of gene expression in someone who is XX.

Really & in 150yrs time if they dig up the bones They’ll say it was either Male Or Female.
End Of.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: illuminati on August 21, 2019, 01:39:40 PM
Changing hormone balances in your body does not change your gender.

You forget that the whole skeletal and facial structure, brain, empathy,... are connected to levels of testosterone pre-birth when you were growing as a human. A lot of it had to do with your genetics but social warriors ignore science as usual.

Steroids do affect the psyche and structure of body but don`t forget, you need to artificially keep the hormone levels at a certain level, it is not a natural state of the body.

Still, your DNA and the way you were designed by nature does not change with artificial levels of testosterone or testosterone suppressors.

Plus, the suicide rate among people who can not live with what nature gave them is very high and it is not from pressure of society as it is usually said.

It is criminal that they are encouraged as what they are doing is a thing of bravery when they clearly need counselling for issues they can not resolve with physical operations and hormone intake...





Exactly Right

No different to my Being a Tree or a Tiger Etc
It’s Mental Delusions they suffer from.

No need to hack them about their DNA remains the same.
Why do some want to argue about It Being a Mental issue,
Makes No Sense.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Twaddle on August 21, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
Changing hormone balances in your body does not change your gender.

You forget that the whole skeletal and facial structure, brain, empathy,... are connected to levels of testosterone pre-birth when you were growing as a human. A lot of it had to do with your genetics but social warriors ignore science as usual.

Steroids do affect the psyche and structure of body but don`t forget, you need to artificially keep the hormone levels at a certain level, it is not a natural state of the body.

Still, your DNA and the way you were designed by nature does not change with artificial levels of testosterone or testosterone suppressors.

Plus, the suicide rate among people who can not live with what nature gave them is very high and it is not from pressure of society as it is usually said.

It is criminal that they are encouraged as what they are doing is a thing of bravery when they clearly need counselling for issues they can not resolve with physical operations and hormone intake...





My balls hurt, just watching that.   :-X
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: illuminati on August 21, 2019, 02:07:06 PM
My balls hurt, just watching that.   :-X

I didn’t dare watch it.
No no no.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton wore a blue dress and red heels
Post by: Primemuscle on August 21, 2019, 03:55:37 PM
Changing hormone balances in your body does not change your gender.

You forget that the whole skeletal and facial structure, brain, empathy,... are connected to levels of testosterone pre-birth when you were growing as a human. A lot of it had to do with your genetics but social warriors ignore science as usual.

Steroids do affect the psyche and structure of body but don`t forget, you need to artificially keep the hormone levels at a certain level, it is not a natural state of the body.

Still, your DNA and the way you were designed by nature does not change with artificial levels of testosterone or testosterone suppressors.

Plus, the suicide rate among people who can not live with what nature gave them is very high and it is not from pressure of society as it is usually said.

It is criminal that they are encouraged as what they are doing is a thing of bravery when they clearly need counselling for issues they can not resolve with physical operations and hormone intake...





Looks like a complicated surgery.