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Title: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Kwon on September 14, 2019, 05:19:02 AM
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2019, 06:04:53 AM
Old news. We've circumnavigated this world well before everyone else.  Not just Hebrews per se. Hamitic Blacks. Such as original Egyptians. Whites REDISCOVER, hide the evidence and say they discovered. Lololololol. You guys are so full of envy and shit.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Dave D on September 14, 2019, 07:38:00 AM
Old news. We've circumnavigated this world well before everyone else.  Not just Hebrews per se. Hamitic Blacks. Such as original Egyptians. Whites REDISCOVER, hide the evidence and say they discovered. Lololololol. You guys are so full of envy and shit.

Wiggs when you say whites do you mean Europeans?  Is the evidence still hidden today?

Weren't Asians the very first to circumnavigate the world?
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 14, 2019, 09:09:24 AM
Old news. We've circumnavigated this world well before everyone else.  Not just Hebrews per se. Hamitic Blacks. Such as original Egyptians. Whites REDISCOVER, hide the evidence and say they discovered. Lololololol. You guys are so full of envy and shit.
I'll bite.....where is the evidence of this?
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: SOMEPARTS on September 14, 2019, 01:13:35 PM
I'll bite.....where is the evidence of this?


Well, they didn't have a written language so this question makes you a racist.  :)


But yeah, totally happened....








....when the land bridges were still intact...not by boat.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: IRON CROSS on September 14, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Old news. We've circumnavigated this world well before everyone else.  Not just Hebrews per se. Hamitic Blacks. Such as original Egyptians. Whites REDISCOVER, hide the evidence and say they discovered. Lololololol. You guys are so full of envy and shit.


If U hate WHITE race so much, WHY do U live in the States, pack & fuck OFF for Eastern AFRICA !.

OBW, without slavery U would not exist  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2019, 01:55:19 PM

If U hate WHITE race so much, WHY do U live in the States, pack & fuck OFF for Eastern AFRICA !.

OBW, without slavery U would not exist  ;D ;D ;D

You're doing alot of assuming. Why dont you worry about your shithole down under.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: IRON CROSS on September 14, 2019, 01:57:40 PM

Well, they didn't have a written language so this question makes you a racist.  :)


But yeah, totally happened....








....when the land bridges were still intact...not by boat.


Primitive Indians do it that way , from India >>>> Australia !!!.

Aussie Wigzzers have Indian Wigzzers DNA  ;D
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: IroNat on September 14, 2019, 01:59:40 PM
Guy's a moron.

The story of Sarah Rector: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Rector

His inclusion of her in his discussion of blacks being in the Americas pre-Columbus is in error.  She was a descendant of blacks enslaved by Creek indians who eventually became tribal members.  She inherited land upon which oil was discovered and became wealthy.

Columbus enslaved members of the Taino tribe who were indigenous to the Caribbean: https://tainolife.net/twopgone.html

"The Taíno culture was not isolated and unchanging. The Taíno belong to the Arawak indigenous groups originating in the Amazon and Orinoco river basins in South America, some of whom still live there today. At the time of the European encounter, the Taíno occupied Cuba, Hispaniola (Haiti and the Dominican Republic), Jamaica, Puerto Rico and the Bahamas, having migrated up waterways from northern South America. Theirs was a seafaring culture."

It's true that some black freedman were slaveowners.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2019, 02:00:28 PM
I'll bite.....where is the evidence of this?


Sorry ma' man, my days of 50 page debates of my evidence is done. O dont use my time for that anymore. But I'll say that Hebrews more than less understand this revisionist history that's been bestowed upon us through indoctrination. I mean, whites and fake Jews in general still wont even acknowledge were the Hebrews even though the rest of the world knows in the so called middle east the fake Jews obviously know and spend shit tons of money and exercise their power to keep it suppressed and you guys just play along. It's ok because the bible said it would happen.


It also says how all this will end. That's why I dont sweat it anymore and just do what I'm supposed to and let God handle the rest.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Dokey111 on September 14, 2019, 02:05:38 PM

Sorry ma' man, my days of 50 page debates of my evidence is done. O dont use my time for that anymore. But I'll say that Hebrews more than less understand this revisionist history that's been bestowed upon us through indoctrination. I mean, whites and fake Jews in general still wont even acknowledge were the Hebrews even though the rest of the world knows in the so called middle east the fake Jews obviously know and spend shit tons of money and exercise their power to keep it suppressed and you guys just play along. It's ok because the bible said it would happen.


It also says how all this will end. That's why I dont sweat it anymore and just do what I'm supposed to and let God handle the rest.

Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 14, 2019, 02:33:58 PM

Sorry ma' man, my days of 50 page debates of my evidence is done. O dont use my time for that anymore. But I'll say that Hebrews more than less understand this revisionist history that's been bestowed upon us through indoctrination. I mean, whites and fake Jews in general still wont even acknowledge were the Hebrews even though the rest of the world knows in the so called middle east the fake Jews obviously know and spend shit tons of money and exercise their power to keep it suppressed and you guys just play along. It's ok because the bible said it would happen.


It also says how all this will end. That's why I dont sweat it anymore and just do what I'm supposed to and let God handle the rest.
Then don't debate. PM me a link to any sort of info so I can investigate it on my own.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2019, 02:34:52 PM
Then don't debate. PM me a link to any sort of info so I can investigate it on my own.

Yes Sir.  ;D
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 14, 2019, 02:37:38 PM
Yes Sir.  ;D
:-*
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2019, 02:41:37 PM
:-*

 ;D

What's fair is fair.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 14, 2019, 02:47:11 PM
;D

What's fair is fair.
I got no PM ???
I'm trying to keep an open mind here.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: IRON CROSS on September 14, 2019, 03:03:38 PM

Sorry ma' man, my days of 50 page debates of my evidence is done. O dont use my time for that anymore. But I'll say that Hebrews more than less understand this revisionist history that's been bestowed upon us through indoctrination. I mean, whites and fake Jews in general still wont even acknowledge were the Hebrews even though the rest of the world knows in the so called middle east the fake Jews obviously know and spend shit tons of money and exercise their power to keep it suppressed and you guys just play along. It's ok because the bible said it would happen.


It also says how all this will end. That's why I dont sweat it anymore and just do what I'm supposed to and let God handle the rest.


Hey Liberian, go to Jerusalem & tell them ................ ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: IRON CROSS on September 14, 2019, 03:05:55 PM
You're doing alot of assuming. Why dont you worry about your shithole down under.

How is your life in Liberia  8)
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Kwon on September 14, 2019, 03:09:30 PM
I'll bite.....where is the evidence of this?

No evidence needed when there is conviction.


Belief makes it real.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 14, 2019, 03:11:55 PM
;D

What's fair is fair.
Which teachings do you follow?

Quote
The three largest groups are the International Israelite Board of Rabbis, the Church Of God And Saints Of Christ – Temple Beth El, and the African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem.

Quote
... they “creatively manipulate traditions and ideas gleaned from a wide range of sources: Holiness/Pentecostal Christianity, the British Anglo-Israelite movement, Freemasonry, Mind Power, Theosophy, Judaism, the occult, and African American Christianity’s deep association with the Hebrews of the Old Testament.”
:D

Quote
By adopting Isrealite or Muslim identities, African Americans were associating themselves with the "East" and thereby challenging the Eurocentric racism of the Jim Crow era.
Sound to me like they just decided to be Jewish or Muslim to rebel against racism.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2019, 03:35:25 PM
Which teachings do you follow?
 :D
Sound to me like they just decided to be Jewish or Muslim to rebel against racism.

Some of your people leave bread crumbs every now and then. Some Israelites knew who they were and it still got passed down.
You and others deny it because you know how it looks in the eyes of God for what you have done and continue to do.

So this is why you and others will deny, deny, deny. The jig is up. Were in the end times and shit is going to get serious. Then you'll be asking 1000 questions about what this and that means in the bible because all your churches lied to you. So enjoy your doubt for now.

Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 14, 2019, 03:49:28 PM
Old news. We've circumnavigated this world well before everyone else.  Not just Hebrews per se. Hamitic Blacks. Such as original Egyptians. Whites REDISCOVER, hide the evidence and say they discovered. Lololololol. You guys are so full of envy and shit.

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Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Randomum on September 14, 2019, 05:11:41 PM
Old news. We've circumnavigated this world well before everyone else.  Not just Hebrews per se. Hamitic Blacks. Such as original Egyptians. Whites REDISCOVER, hide the evidence and say they discovered. Lololololol. You guys are so full of envy and shit.

It is so true Wiggs, unfortunately after many long wars the winners re-write history. Every country on earth has gone on a similar path and they destroy our legacy, and accomplishments for people like Matt to post pictures of the mud huts in Africa when those are just the tribal people who decided to not move forward with society [like native amerindians, and aborigines in other parts of the world].

We literally were kings look at the hieroglyphics. Even that has been largely hidden, people will say North Africa was white. Yeah after albino blacks who were vilified and mated with neanderthals....but at any rate each group can have their pride and those of us that are educated in the real world history can have pride as can white/asians/muslims/islanders/native amerindians etc.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Randomum on September 14, 2019, 05:13:37 PM

Well, they didn't have a written language so this question makes you a racist.  :)


But yeah, totally happened....



....when the land bridges were still intact...not by boat.

A written language does not mean a society is more or less civilized it became written due to a necessity and then became part of education. But its actually not true Africans did have written languages, Egyptian hieroglyphics are just one of our languages.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Randomum on September 14, 2019, 05:16:58 PM

Sorry ma' man, my days of 50 page debates of my evidence is done. O dont use my time for that anymore. But I'll say that Hebrews more than less understand this revisionist history that's been bestowed upon us through indoctrination. I mean, whites and fake Jews in general still wont even acknowledge were the Hebrews even though the rest of the world knows in the so called middle east the fake Jews obviously know and spend shit tons of money and exercise their power to keep it suppressed and you guys just play along. It's ok because the bible said it would happen.


It also says how all this will end. That's why I dont sweat it anymore and just do what I'm supposed to and let God handle the rest.

We know the reality Wiggs. Its just like the Spaniards did to the natives of central america. They made them seem like savages in the text books all the while they had a written language, architectural developments, and were about 300 years ahead of them in agricultural developments, in part because of the advancements obtained from Africa. Research the olmecs my friend, and look at their sculptures, artwork, sexual dieties. Expand your horizons, what you were taught in school is not the full truth.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: IRON CROSS on September 14, 2019, 05:21:48 PM


 The jig is up. Were in the end times and shit is going to get serious.





Just post:location/ time/date of that 'event' .

Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 14, 2019, 05:25:02 PM
Some of your people leave bread crumbs every now and then. Some Israelites knew who they were and it still got passed down.
How did they know? When did the slaves from Israel arrive in the US?

You and others deny it because you know how it looks in the eyes of God for what you have done and continue to do.

Not too concerned about what your God thinks I've done or continue to do.



So this is why you and others will deny, deny, deny. The jig is up.
Deny what? What jig?

Then you'll be asking 1000 questions about what this and that means in the bible because all your churches lied to you. So enjoy your doubt for now.


There are no end times. And I've not asked a single question about the bible. I asked you for specific proof, evidence, historically factual writings to show me how you are what you claim. Why can't you do that? I'm not interested in a debate, an argument or any type of trolling, I'm trying to understand your view and how you achieved your belief system. YOU on the other hand try to ridicule those that question you or your ways. So you can tuck tail and hide, address the questions at hand publicly or PM some sort of link to the information that has you convinced to believe.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: SOMEPARTS on September 16, 2019, 07:10:28 PM
A written language does not mean a society is more or less civilized it became written due to a necessity and then became part of education. But its actually not true Africans did have written languages, Egyptian hieroglyphics are just one of our languages.



What is the necessity then exactly?

1. Name one civilized society of note that doesn't have written language.

2.Name one that is less civilized than the previous answer that does have a written language. 




::)
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: sarcafago on September 16, 2019, 08:11:22 PM
It is so true Wiggs, unfortunately after many long wars the winners re-write history. Every country on earth has gone on a similar path and they destroy our legacy, and accomplishments for people like Matt to post pictures of the mud huts in Africa when those are just the tribal people who decided to not move forward with society [like native amerindians, and aborigines in other parts of the world].

We literally were kings look at the hieroglyphics. Even that has been largely hidden, people will say North Africa was white. Yeah after albino blacks who were vilified and mated with neanderthals....but at any rate each group can have their pride and those of us that are educated in the real world history can have pride as can white/asians/muslims/islanders/native amerindians etc.

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Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Kwon on September 17, 2019, 09:53:53 AM
How did they know? When did the slaves from Israel arrive in the US?

Not too concerned about what your God thinks I've done or continue to do.

Deny what? What jig?

There are no end times. And I've not asked a single question about the bible. I asked you for specific proof, evidence, historically factual writings to show me how you are what you claim.

Why can't you do that? I'm not interested in a debate, an argument or any type of trolling, I'm trying to understand your view and how you achieved your belief system.

YOU on the other hand try to ridicule those that question you or your ways. So you can tuck tail and hide, address the questions at hand publicly or PM some sort of link to the information that has you convinced to believe.

Will you get any answers? :)
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 17, 2019, 07:31:00 PM
Will you get any answers? :)

Wiggs has left the building.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Tennisballz on September 17, 2019, 10:01:16 PM
If wiggs descended from a king, I’ve yet to ever see any of these qualities on display.  I think I’ve seen him in a silk shirt looking fat and then a recent pic where he looks homeless.  King of turd street is the only thing he rules.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: IRON CROSS on September 18, 2019, 12:44:45 AM
Wiggs has left the building.


That 'building' is Liberian Mud Hut  ;D
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 18, 2019, 09:59:33 AM
It's really sad that a culture has to make up a false history for itself because the actual history is barren of any real accomplishments.

Next they are going to be saying that blacks were the original Romans and that Julius Caesar was black. 

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Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Randomum on September 18, 2019, 04:02:59 PM

What is the necessity then exactly?

1. Name one civilized society of note that doesn't have written language.

2.Name one that is less civilized than the previous answer that does have a written language. 




::)

What is your definition of civilized? That is where the problem lies you can only see things from a certain perspective.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Randomum on September 18, 2019, 04:07:16 PM
If wiggs descended from a king, I’ve yet to ever see any of these qualities on display.  I think I’ve seen him in a silk shirt looking fat and then a recent pic where he looks homeless.  King of turd street is the only thing he rules.

Pretty sure if you go back far enough most of us, even those of use with pure African ancestry can be traced back to royalty. We were all literally KANGZ at some point. Recognize history and do your own informed research. No need to mock Wiggs as he speaks the truth.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Tennisballz on September 18, 2019, 04:21:47 PM
Pretty sure if you go back far enough most of us, even those of use with pure African ancestry can be traced back to royalty. We were all literally KANGZ at some point. Recognize history and do your own informed research. No need to mock Wiggs as he speaks the truth.
Wiggs is way out in outer space.  If you choose to believe him, that’s on you man!
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Fortress on September 18, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
Pretty sure if you go back far enough most of us, even those of use with pure African ancestry can be traced back to royalty. We were all literally KANGZ at some point. Recognize history and do your own informed research. No need to mock Wiggs as he speaks the truth.

LOL
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: SOMEPARTS on September 18, 2019, 09:13:22 PM
What is your definition of civilized? That is where the problem lies you can only see things from a certain perspective.


It was your point to prove...lousy retort! Plus, you know SHIT about me - but only started that to assume you need to start making excuses for lack of response.





civilized
/ˈsivəlīzd/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
adjective: civilized; adjective: civilised

    1.
    at an advanced stage of social and cultural development.
    "a civilized society"
    synonyms:   enlightened, educated, advanced, developed, cultured
    "a civilized society"
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: IroNat on September 21, 2019, 12:11:56 PM
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Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Titus Pullo on September 21, 2019, 02:06:27 PM
Wiggs is way out in outer space.  If you choose to believe him, that’s on you man!

But I thought he didn't believe in outer space? :D

Whatever.  The guy talks about a flat Earth one minute then mentions fucking *circumnavigation* the next.  Pretty fucking stupid, but it someone wants to pretend their ancestors did anything other than wear bones in their noses, sit around with flies buzzing around their heads, unable to figure out how to make a WHEEL...yeah, some rad royalty, there!
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 21, 2019, 03:26:02 PM
But I thought he didn't believe in outer space? :D

Whatever.  The guy talks about a flat Earth one minute then mentions fucking *circumnavigation* the next.  Pretty fucking stupid, but it someone wants to pretend their ancestors did anything other than wear bones in their noses, sit around with flies buzzing around their heads, unable to figure out how to make a WHEEL...yeah, some rad royalty, there!
From what I gather from Wiggs posts, he claims that his ancestors DID invent the wheel and that the white man stole the invention and then rewrote history to make it seem like they sat around in mud huts wearing flies.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Randomum on September 21, 2019, 03:30:59 PM
Wiggs is way out in outer space.  If you choose to believe him, that’s on you man!

Its not just Wiggz. Its literally science, and history my friend.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Randomum on September 21, 2019, 03:32:16 PM

It was your point to prove...lousy retort! Plus, you know SHIT about me - but only started that to assume you need to start making excuses for lack of response.





civilized
/ˈsivəlīzd/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
adjective: civilized; adjective: civilised

    1.
    at an advanced stage of social and cultural development.
    "a civilized society"
    synonyms:   enlightened, educated, advanced, developed, cultured
    "a civilized society"

Exactly advanced stage of social and cultural development. Its not just about a pretty church my friend. Read more, get enlightened, bow down to your brothers.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Kwon on September 21, 2019, 03:35:02 PM
KANGZ and QUEENZ in America

Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Randomum on September 21, 2019, 03:41:14 PM
It's really sad that a culture has to make up a false history for itself because the actual history is barren of any real accomplishments.

Next they are going to be saying that blacks were the original Romans and that Julius Caesar was black. 

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Cry yourself to sleep bruh.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 21, 2019, 03:43:25 PM
Cry yourself to sleep bruh.

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Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Fortress on September 21, 2019, 03:46:13 PM
... but it someone wants to pretend their ancestors did anything other than wear bones in their noses, sit around with flies buzzing around their heads, unable to figure out how to make a WHEEL ...

 :D

Kangz of ooga-booga.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Fortress on September 21, 2019, 03:48:32 PM
KANGZ and QUEENZ in America



It’s like, “Uh, can I just, like, pay for this Snapple and Playboy, so I can jet, dude? Bit too much dinduing going on up in this joint. Thanks.”
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: Kwon on September 21, 2019, 04:04:10 PM
Cry yourself to sleep bruh.

He speaks the truth though.

Regardless if he needs to sleep or not.
Title: Re: "WE WUZ KANGZ" - in reality!
Post by: chaos on September 21, 2019, 04:51:00 PM
Its not just Wiggz. Its literally science, and history my friend.
Wait, are you supporting Wiggs? If so can you guide us in the direction of this scientifically proven information or is this spread by word of mouth from some of those whack jobs I posted earlier? Post up links for getbig to investigate.