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to last as long as he has in top bodybuilding :
1- It helps if you're short and skinny to begin with .... usually these type of guys always look younger when they hit 40 and beyond, and don't deal with back pains etc ,joints as much as tall dudes later in life .
2- However, with that type of metabolism, you need to hit the gas like a maniac ...but don't have to do cardio as much as the bigger guys ( not doing cardio in your 20's and 30's save you from major wear and tear in the long run that often is overlooked and ignored when the body is starting to fall apart" ...
3- once you're jacked ,train light and with more machines as possible ....this is another MAJOR key as most pro Bodybuilders can't leave the ego out of the gym ...I remember Serge Nubret, in his 50's his body was basically the same as when he was younger he trained so light didn't bench press more than 225 lbs .
4- As long as you use drugs (as PRO level BB all the time ), and good food intake you can get away with light training and mediocre cardio sessions.....yes! is more a chemical "sport' than we think .
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
Now you do.
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He always took breaks from gear for 8 weeks at a time.
He didn't overtrain which does lead to injuries.
That helps the body last.
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He has an amazing physique. I just don't see him having one more miracle in his bag of tricks to win the big one again at his age. Then again who knows?
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to last as long as he has in top bodybuilding :
1- It helps if you're short and skinny to begin with .... usually these type of guys always look younger when they hit 40 and beyond, and don't deal with back pains etc ,joints as much as tall dudes later in life .
2- However, with that type of metabolism, you need to hit the gas like a maniac ...but don't have to do cardio as much as the bigger guys ( not doing cardio in your 20's and 30's save you from major wear and tear in the long run that often is overlooked and ignored when the body is starting to fall apart" ...
3- once you're jacked ,train light and with more machines as possible ....this is another MAJOR key as most pro Bodybuilders can't leave the ego out of the gym ...I remember Serge Nubret, in his 50's his body was basically the same as when he was younger he trained so light didn't bench press more than 225 lbs .
4- As long as you use drugs (as PRO level BB all the time ), and good food intake you can get away with light training and mediocre cardio sessions.....yes! is more a chemical "sport' than we think .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I've seen Dex rep with 405 on the bench press (via video). You call that "training light"? Of course, that was back in the early 2000s.
As you age, it's not so much the muscles as it is the tendons, ligaments, and your spine. I don't go heavy on flat benches or squats. Yet, on other exercises like the incline bench or the leg press, I'm at strong as (or, in some case, stronger than) I was in my 20s.
Also, it's no more French presses or overhead dumbbell extensions (neither one nor two-handed) for me, either. I haven't done those in years, going on almost a decade.
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to last as long as he has in top bodybuilding :
1- It helps if you're short and skinny to begin with .... usually these type of guys always look younger when they hit 40 and beyond, and don't deal with back pains etc ,joints as much as tall dudes later in life .
2- However, with that type of metabolism, you need to hit the gas like a maniac ...but don't have to do cardio as much as the bigger guys ( not doing cardio in your 20's and 30's save you from major wear and tear in the long run that often is overlooked and ignored when the body is starting to fall apart" ...
3- once you're jacked ,train light and with more machines as possible ....this is another MAJOR key as most pro Bodybuilders can't leave the ego out of the gym ...I remember Serge Nubret, in his 50's his body was basically the same as when he was younger he trained so light didn't bench press more than 225 lbs .
4- As long as you use drugs (as PRO level BB all the time ), and good food intake you can get away with light training and mediocre cardio sessions.....yes! is more a chemical "sport' than we think .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
When you fully understand this process, you'll understand that is training isn't nearly as important as many people think it is when you start out.
Has nothing to do with drugs.
Has nothing to do with all of the muscle that was built up over time.
It never was that important or complicated.
If you just hit the muscle and let time take its course, you'll build muscle to your genetics. Nothing more. Nothing less.
You don't have to be fancy, complicated, or train super heavy.
People new to training just don't want to believe it but it really is 80% nutrition and 20% training.
Drugs or no drugs. New to training or training for a long time.
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When you fully understand this process, you'll understand that is training isn't nearly as important as many people think it is when you start out.
Has nothing to do with drugs.
Has nothing to do with all of the muscle that was built up over time.
It never was that important or complicated.
If you just hit the muscle and let time take its course, you'll build muscle to your genetics. Nothing more. Nothing less.
You don't have to be fancy, complicated, or train super heavy.
People new to training just don't want to believe it but it really is 80% nutrition and 20% training.
Drugs or no drugs. New to training or training for a long time.
AMEN!!
When I paid more attention to my nutrition, my results increased dramatically. I stopped training to failure and simplified my split. Upper body on Mondays and Thursday; legs on Tuesdays and Fridays.
More eggs, beef, and weight gainer (during my younger days) did the trick. Now, at 46, I don't need the gainers anymore (and really hadn't in quite some time).
And, as stated earlier, I eliminated or train moderately/lightly with certain exercises (i.e. the flat bench, french presses, overhead tricep extensions---one and two-handed, squats).
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AMEN!!
When I paid more attention to my nutrition, my results increased dramatically. I stopped training to failure and simplified my split. Upper body on Mondays and Thursday; legs on Tuesdays and Fridays.
More eggs, beef, and weight gainer (during my younger days) did the trick. Now, at 46, I don't need the gainers anymore (and really hadn't in quite some time).
And, as stated earlier, I eliminated or train moderately/lightly with certain exercises (i.e. the flat bench, french presses, overhead tricep extensions---one and two-handed, squats).
What made you join Getbig at age 30?
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What made you join Getbig at age 30?
I believe I got a link here from another forum.
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He always took breaks from gear for 8 weeks at a time.
How did you come to know that?
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I've seen Dex rep with 405 on the bench press (via video). You call that "training light"? Of course, that was back in the early 2000s.
As you age, it's not so much the muscles as it is the tendons, ligaments, and your spine. I don't go heavy on flat benches or squats. Yet, on other exercises like the incline bench or the leg press, I'm at strong as (or, in some case, stronger than) I was in my 20s.
Also, it's no more French presses or overhead dumbbell extensions (neither one nor two-handed) for me, either. I haven't done those in years, going on almost a decade.
He did heavy training when younger and specially for videos and pictures. However, I remember when he won his first Arnold , he tolld Arnold himself he hardly spent time in the gym didn't do cardio etc.
Arnold did not like that honesty from Dexter at all. As both Arnold and Weider always sold the idea that bodybuilding is all about training hard and spending hours and hours in the gym.
When he turned 40 he was contemplating retirement, but with the the light training, and doing cardio for the first time in his career (only weeks before the contest ) he was able to bounce back and avoid injuries.
The drugs did the rest.
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He did heavy trading when younger and specially for videos and pictures. However, I remember when he won his first Arnold , he tolld Arnold himself he hardly spent time in the gym didn't do cardio etc.
Arnold did not like that honesty from Dexter at all. As both Arnold and Weider always sold the idea that bodybuilding is all about training hard and spending hours and hours in the gym.
When he turned 40 he was contemplating retirement, but with the the light training, and doing cardio for the first time in his career (only weeks before the contest ) he was able to bounce back and avoid injuries.
The drugs did the rest.
In an interview with Getbig's big boss man himself, Ron Avidan, Dexter said he did not do cardio...that may have been around 2006. I don't recall how long he said he spent lifting weights though.
PS - aren't you a morbidly obese man?
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Is hipolito mejia an obese Jewish supplement mogul?
I was told hipolito mejia is an obese man of Jewish ancestry who runs a multimillion dollar supplement empire.
Also, here is the interview of Dexter where he boasts about his lack of cardio and lackluster training. He was only 33 when he said he did no cardio. I think he later started doing it.
http://getbig.com/iview/jackson030115.htm
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I have posted here before about 5 years or so ago I went to his Dexter Jackson Classic show in Jacksonville. It was a few weeks before he competed in the Mr O and placed well. Dex was at the show morning and night as he was sitting with the judges up front. The entire time - and it was a long time - he was up there, he went through one coke after another. You know how some people chain smoke and light a new cig off the end of the one they just finished? Well that is how he was drinking soda. Each can only last 5-10 minutes. He easily went through two cases during the morning pre judging alone.
He looked like a cartoon character then. He was round everywhere. I overheard him talking with people afterwards and he did say that he trained hard but not to failure. He said he never did forced reps and rather going to failure, he would rather stop a rep or two short and instead just do an extra set for the necessary stimulation to the muscle.
When you look at the guys that trained heavy and with free weights - Ronnie, Dorian, Quinn, etc.. they all look like shit after retiring and have a body full of injuries. The only person I can think of that trained to failure regularly and is not a wreck right now is Lee Labrada. People that trained longer with more volume and lighter weights like Taylor and Dex always look good in retirement. No injuries.
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If I wasn`training like an animal,I felt like I was a chump.
Probably didn`t need to train balls to the wall,but I loved it.
Anything less would have been uncivilized ! :)
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Cutlet is younger than Dexter, and aside from injuries and torn arms he has the skin of an old fat man on the sauce, same goes for Dennis Wolf no matter how lean he gets he looks like a 58 year old Dave Draper ..... while they don't do cardio and heavy training no more , they're both still on PEDs ! imagine how they'll look like if they come off completely .....
Ronnie 1998/99 at a body weight 250 training light and "eating" to main that body weight ..... would have won 12 Mr.O and would've looked like Dexter and Taylor well in to his 50's
Levroneeeeee at 50, made a battle for the ages comeback saying that his knees were as healthy as a 22 year old dude ! next thing you knew he was squating 500 lbs (with 4 spotters) but still ....... comes contest day and his legs looked like shit .
He abused the drugs and heavy ass weight and dont forget years of wear and tear from cardio ....of course LEvroneeee thinks his genetics are above all that so he said : "FACK father time" .....
he hasn't gotten the memo yet though .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Dexters got the Vince Taylor genetics of peace. Great receptors to the lower doses, drinks soda, doesn't need to train too hard, no cardio, etc.
Big believer in lightening up the poundages' as one ages to avoid injury. (One day Ill take that advice, maybe after this torn rotator heals and I try it one more time (heavy training cycle).
Heavy squats and deads are starting to become a big issue on the degen-disc's, may need to drop those all-together soon.
(The leg presses and standing squat machine have been working out well).
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/d0/14/bcd0142e6bbe9b9256c17cc2de6e9826.jpg)
Though I do wish gyms had nice belt-squat machines around here.. Nada in sight...
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Dexters got the Vince Taylor genetics of peace. Great receptors to the lower doses, drinks soda, doesn't need to train too hard, no cardio, etc.
Big believer in lightening up the poundages' as one ages to avoid injury. (One day Ill take that advice, maybe after this torn rotator heals and I try it one more time (heavy training cycle).
Heavy squats and deads are starting to become a big issue on the degen-disc's, may need to drop those all-together soon.
(The leg presses and standing squat machine have been working out well).
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/d0/14/bcd0142e6bbe9b9256c17cc2de6e9826.jpg)
Though I do wish gyms had nice belt-squat machines around here.. Nada in sight...
Hope you don't mind my 2 cents and advices.
Try dumbbell squats. You are using less weight so it's less strain on the spine. Most guys say something to the effect that I use 400lbs for squats where am I going to find two 200lbs dumbbells? The beauty of it is two 125lbs dumbbells will bury a guy that is using 400lbs barbell squats if he does it right. Use straps and hold the dumbbells at your sides. Keep an upright back. Do not deadlift the weight. Sink your butt all the way down concentrating on bending your legs. Start light to get the form with something like 65lbs dumbbells. They are one of the hardest exercises going and no one uses them. The trick is to not deadlift the weight. Again fairly upright back and sink your butt to the ground. Bet your thighs will be on fire and you will be breathing like a race horse.
On another note there is nothing wrong with leg presses and machine squats. I have a Tuff stuff machine squat and it's great. Just the problems with machines is that some are just made wrong. Power tec who might be the originator of squat leverage machines has a great one at a good price. Regarding leg press machines so many are just built wrong. I was grinding my knees to dust using the commercial one at the gym I go to. When I got back to the one in my house I realized my home unit leg press is light years ahead of the commercial one in terms of having the right angles engineered into it.
Lastly finish your leg routine with no weight only body weight squats. Yes, going deep when you're fatigued by doing them at the end of legs going all the way down will burn your thighs like nothing else. Don't do the cross fit version where they are trying to beat the clock with reps flopping like a fish on the negative. Do controlled positive and negatives going on all the way down. It will feel like you are doing a quarter mile sprint when you get to 50 if your form and cadence is right.
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Is hipolito mejia an obese Jewish supplement mogul?
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I've learnt a lot from dexter, Jay and Phil
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Great Post and serious TRUTH.
Success in bodybuilding is like any other sport.
To make it to the pros and have an actual career requires:
1. natural, genetic ( GOD given) TALENT.
2. The ability to respond to training and drugs.
3. The desire and persistence to stay on a diet and endure contest prep.
That sums it up.
2 AND 3 yes you nailed it and i would add to 3 persistence and endurance to withstand the'drug'portion for decade to decades
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In an interview with Getbig's big boss man himself, Ron Avidan, Dexter said he did not do cardio...that may have been around 2006. I don't recall how long he said he spent lifting weights though.
PS - aren't you a morbidly obese man?
I have a video of his where he talks about only doing like 10 minutes on the bike at a very easy setting just to warm up. He says that too much cardio will reduce thigh mass.
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PSB is right at the spot........ says Dr Dutch.
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Great Post and serious TRUTH.
Success in bodybuilding is like any other sport.
To make it to the pros and have an actual career requires:
1. natural, genetic ( GOD given) TALENT.
2. The ability to respond to training and drugs.
3. The desire and persistence to stay on a diet and endure contest prep.
That sums it up.
Ummmm no
The nfl and real pro sports are much harder
Bbing today they are passing out pro cards like candy, look at men’s physique, the coveted pro card isn’t as exclusive as it once was
This is a cult “sport” compared to millions trying to go pro in real sports year after year, kids have no desire to turn pro, they aspire to be the next Tom Brady, or LeBron James
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Ummmm no
The nfl and real pro sports are much harder
Bbing today they are passing out pro cards like candy, look at men’s physique, the coveted pro card isn’t as exclusive as it once was
They’ve devalued The Pro Card - For More Bucks and Bums on seats
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They’ve devalued The Pro Card - For More Bucks and Bums on seats
Didnt you have to win a world title back in the 80s to turn pro?
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Didnt you have to win a world title back in the 80s to turn pro?
That or win the overall at Nationals
It’s gone from Ridiculously Hard to giving them away with cornflakes packets.
Jeez I know 2 lads doing the Amatuer Olympia Men’s Bikini Class At £180 to enter !!
And 2 young girls that not been training for 2yrs yet they don’t have any shape / tissue.
Is it Progress or watering down - It’s Definitely about raking in Money.
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That or win the overall at Nationals
It’s gone from Ridiculously Hard to giving them away with cornflakes packets.
Jeez I know 2 lads doing the Amatuer Olympia Men’s Bikini Class At £180 to enter !!
And 2 young girls that not been training for 2yrs yet they don’t have any shape / tissue.
Is it Progress or watering down - It’s Definitely about raking in Money.
Exactly
Getting a pro is more “attainable” than it once was, the USA’s and nationals were stacked, and like you said you had to win the overalls or class at the nationals, the USA’s it was the overalls I believe, even class winners don’t get pro cards
Many great bbers never turned pro but would have now
Competing and winning as a pro, that’s a different story
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They’ve devalued The Pro Card - For More Bucks and Bums on seats
YES,, SPOT ON...can you imagine a prime dennis newman got sick and never fufilled his full pro potential.nobody today looks like him in the national level.and thats just one of hundreds from that great era...
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Exactly
Getting a pro is more “attainable” than it once was, the USA’s and nationals were stacked, and like you said you had to win the overalls or class at the nationals, the USA’s it was the overalls I believe, even class winners don’t get pro cards
Many great bbers never turned pro but would have now
Competing and winning as a pro, that’s a different story
YES,, SPOT ON...can you imagine a prime dennis newman got sick and never fufilled his full pro potential.nobody today looks like him in the national level.and thats just one of hundreds from that great era...
Glad we Agree
It’s resulted in the lowering of standards at The Top - Look at the Olympia
The level of quality & condition has gone down.
The few who got pro cards were not only very good but had to work damn hard to get them
They had to come in spot on to win.
So many great Physique’s Newman / Mendenhall / leidelmeyer Etc
All denied Pro Cards & They’d Likely of Trounced most of the Top Pro of Nowadays.
Raise the standard again - Stop the giving away of pro cards.
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YES,, SPOT ON...can you imagine a prime dennis newman got sick and never fufilled his full pro potential.nobody today looks like him in the national level.and thats just one of hundreds from that great era...
Edgar Fletcher is another. Hard to believe he never won his pro card.
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Edgar Fletcher is another. Hard to believe he never won his pro card.
YES,,him too..you had to be overall winner in the usa's then to get pro card,nationals was always class winners which was fine then.now its top 2 /class winner/ect...its crazy.