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Title: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 12, 2019, 10:48:21 PM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 12, 2019, 11:23:03 PM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_

You mean the moral compass that kills over 600k of babies per year? The moral compass that allows the baby to be born to wait until the dr and mother decide if it should live or die? The moral compass to have gay pride parades with adults running around naked in front of little children? The moral compass to break the law at the border?

The moral compass to ruin a mans life because you don’t agree with him? I could go on but please tell us more about your “moral compass”
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 13, 2019, 12:25:42 AM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_


Why do you say this ??
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 13, 2019, 12:28:54 AM
You mean the moral compass that kills over 600k of babies per year? The moral compass that allows the baby to be born to wait until the dr and mother decide if it should live or die? The moral compass to have gay pride parades with adults running around naked in front of little children? The moral compass to break the law at the border?

The moral compass to ruin a mans life because you don’t agree with him? I could go on but please tell us more about your “moral compass”


Some great points
I dread to think what sort of person would find all of those Acceptable
I’d ask What on Earth was Their Moral Compass or if they even had any Moral Compass.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: IroNat on October 13, 2019, 07:47:47 AM
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Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: loco on October 13, 2019, 07:55:22 AM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_

Oh, yeah?  Why?  What did CNN and the Democrats tell you today when you woke up?
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: mazrim on October 13, 2019, 08:16:39 AM
You mean the moral compass that kills over 600k of babies per year? The moral compass that allows the baby to be born to wait until the dr and mother decide if it should live or die? The moral compass to have gay pride parades with adults running around naked in front of little children? The moral compass to break the law at the border?

The moral compass to ruin a mans life because you don’t agree with him? I could go on but please tell us more about your “moral compass”

100% agree. These people are trash. They lecture and lecture but are the most depraved/disgusting/morally bankrupt people there are.

Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 13, 2019, 01:24:34 PM

Why do you say this ??

X2
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on October 13, 2019, 01:27:29 PM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_

Moral compass.

That’s funny, considering the other choice was Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 13, 2019, 02:20:23 PM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_

Moral compass.

That’s funny, considering the other choice was Hillary Clinton.

Ha Ha Ha
Well said Jane

Think it’s fair to say She’s got you Agnostic

Moral Compass - Killary 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on October 13, 2019, 03:45:13 PM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_
Comes home drunk as shit and bitter, starts thread on getbig about Trump, passes out and never returns to thread.
Typical lib
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 13, 2019, 04:37:47 PM
 Meltdown, origin story.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Board_SHERIF on October 14, 2019, 07:49:02 AM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_

and what of yours ???? typical libatard...sad.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 14, 2019, 07:53:13 AM
If  you woke up today thinking Trump is the best President ever, ..... WTF is wrong with you and your moral compass_ Seriously_

Did you feel the same voting for Clinton?

Seek help. 

Doesnt your govt funded health care pay for psychiatric care?   
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on October 14, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
You mean the moral compass that kills over 600k of babies per year? The moral compass that allows the baby to be born to wait until the dr and mother decide if it should live or die? The moral compass to have gay pride parades with adults running around naked in front of little children? The moral compass to break the law at the border?

The moral compass to ruin a mans life because you don’t agree with him? I could go on but please tell us more about your “moral compass”

As a competitive bodybuilder, aren't you being somewhat hypocritical? Do you think it is okay for men and women bodybuilders to parade and pose almost naked in front of a diverse generational audience? Are children allowed in the back stage prep areas?

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Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
Comes home drunk as shit and bitter, starts thread on getbig about Trump, passes out and never returns to thread.
Typical lib

 ;D
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 14, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
As a competitive bodybuilder, aren't you being somewhat hypocritical? Do you think it is okay for men and women bodybuilders to parade and pose almost naked in front of a diverse generational audience? Are children allowed in the back stage prep areas?

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You're actually comparing competitive bodybuilding to a literal gay pride parade where pedophilia is accepted by most? BTW, In California, they have actually lightened up on the pedo laws. To answer your other question about whether they let children backstage in the pump-up room, the answer is NO. You forget or don't seem to realize that if you're a pro thats your living and for the most part trying to feed their families which most have NORMAL lives outside of bodybuilding.

What a ridiculous comparison. ::)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 14, 2019, 01:30:45 PM
I agree, but objective information won't penetrate with most Trumpers.
They chose him based on emotional appeal as their "champion".
Any basic fact or info that challenges that is viewed as "fake news" and ignored.

Reminds me of this guy I from the same gym as  this Hooters waitress .

He was head over heels crazy about her , and tipped her well.
She smilled, flirted and kept his generous tips flowing.

When he asked her out, she replied ; " Sorry, I can't date customers"  excuse.

Eventually, she finished school , stopped working at Hooters, but still worked out in the same gym.
 So, he asks her out in the gym, and this time she smiles and says ; " Sorry, I have a boyfriend now."

When we razzed him about being shot down , he quickly told us ; " Damn it, I should have asked her earlier. I missed my shot."

Even when it was obvious she was never going out with him, he refused to beleive the  TRUTH.

 



Of course you agree ::)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on October 14, 2019, 01:41:36 PM
I agree, but objective information won't penetrate with most Trumpers.
They chose him based on emotional appeal as their "champion".
Any basic fact or info that challenges that is viewed as "fake news" and ignored.

Reminds me of this guy I from the same gym as  this Hooters waitress .

He was head over heels crazy about her , and tipped her well.
She smilled, flirted and kept his generous tips flowing.

When he asked her out, she replied ; " Sorry, I can't date customers"  excuse.

Eventually, she finished school , stopped working at Hooters, but still worked out in the same gym.
 So, he asks her out in the gym, and this time she smiles and says ; " Sorry, I have a boyfriend now."

When we razzed him about being shot down , he quickly told us ; " Damn it, I should have asked her earlier. I missed my shot."

Even when it was obvious she was never going out with him, he refused to beleive the  TRUTH.



Howard, the public’s support for President Donald Trump didn’t create fake news.

The MSM created fake news because they couldn’t stand President Trump and his success.

The more the media and Democrat Party lie about President Trump, the more his supporters strengthen their resolve.

You liberals are three years into your hissy fit temper tantrum and are too stupid to realize you have at least 5 more years to go.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: loco on October 14, 2019, 02:47:58 PM
I agree, but objective information won't penetrate with most Trumpers.
They chose him based on emotional appeal as their "champion".
Any basic fact or info that challenges that is viewed as "fake news" and ignored.

Reminds me of this guy I from the same gym as  this Hooters waitress .

He was head over heels crazy about her , and tipped her well.
She smilled, flirted and kept his generous tips flowing.

When he asked her out, she replied ; " Sorry, I can't date customers"  excuse.

Eventually, she finished school , stopped working at Hooters, but still worked out in the same gym.
 So, he asks her out in the gym, and this time she smiles and says ; " Sorry, I have a boyfriend now."

When we razzed him about being shot down , he quickly told us ; " Damn it, I should have asked her earlier. I missed my shot."

Even when it was obvious she was never going out with him, he refused to beleive the  TRUTH.

Agreed.  Unlike Libtards like you and Agnostic, Trumpers are not into getting penetrated. 
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on October 14, 2019, 03:18:53 PM
You're actually comparing competitive bodybuilding to a literal gay pride parade where pedophilia is accepted by most? BTW, In California, they have actually lightened up on the pedo laws. To answer your other question about whether they let children backstage in the pump-up room, the answer is NO. You forget or don't seem to realize that if you're a pro thats your living and for the most part trying to feed their families which most have NORMAL lives outside of bodybuilding.

What a ridiculous comparison. ::)

It is interesting that you changed the subject, which was about nudity in the presence of children. Maybe the backstage videos I've seen where youngsters were present were anomolies. Be that as it may, there is plenty of near nudity on the competition stage and children do occasionally attend bodybuilding contests.  
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Option D on October 14, 2019, 03:29:07 PM
You mean the moral compass that kills over 600k of babies per year? The moral compass that allows the baby to be born to wait until the dr and mother decide if it should live or die? The moral compass to have gay pride parades with adults running around naked in front of little children? The moral compass to break the law at the border?

The moral compass to ruin a mans life because you don’t agree with him? I could go on but please tell us more about your “moral compass”
stupid ass post..
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 14, 2019, 03:37:02 PM
stupid ass post..

Way to elaborate....as usual and when you finally do (if you do) be sure to point out where I’m wrong
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 14, 2019, 03:41:44 PM
It is interesting that you changed the subject, which was about nudity in the presence of children. Maybe the backstage videos I've seen where youngsters were present were anomolies. Be that as it may, there is plenty of near nudity on the competition stage and children do occasionally attend bodybuilding contests.  

Where did I change the subject? I said “NO” maybe, just maybe the what you saw were teenage competitors? But whatever, it’s a ridiculous comparison. I can guarantee if a kid were getting assaulted back stage whoever did it would more than likely get beaten to death THEN the cops called seems the opposite at pride parades.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on October 14, 2019, 03:48:26 PM
Where did I change the subject? I said “NO” maybe, just maybe the what you saw were teenage competitors? But whatever, it’s a ridiculous comparison. I can guarantee if a kid were getting assaulted back stage whoever did it would more than likely get beaten to death THEN the cops called seems the opposite at pride parades.

Assulted? Pedophiles? You still don't get it. The conversation YOU STARTED was and still is about nudity in the presence of children. Children who attend gay pride parades, almost always with their parents, don't get assaulted.   
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
You're actually comparing competitive bodybuilding to a literal gay pride parade where pedophilia is accepted by most? BTW, In California, they have actually lightened up on the pedo laws. To answer your other question about whether they let children backstage in the pump-up room, the answer is NO. You forget or don't seem to realize that if you're a pro thats your living and for the most part trying to feed their families which most have NORMAL lives outside of bodybuilding.

What a ridiculous comparison. ::)

I agree. 
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on October 14, 2019, 03:54:45 PM
I agree. 

Not surprised. I expect nothing less from you.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2019, 04:01:41 PM
Not surprised. I expect nothing less from you.

Glad I didn't disappoint.   :)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 14, 2019, 05:51:56 PM
Those of The Loony Liberal & Queer Affliction Will try anything to Muddy the Waters
Truth is They’ve Opened The Flood Gates To Peadophile’s
They Will use All The Stupid Dumb Excuses The Queers Used
To Be “Accepted” By The Loony Leftists.

Nothing But A Cancer Within
Because of Their Deviance They Have To Accept Everything

Disgusting Bunch.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on October 14, 2019, 05:57:36 PM
Those of The Loony Liberal & Queer Affliction Will try anything to Muddy the Waters
Truth is They’ve Opened The Flood Gates To Peadophile’s
They Will use All The Stupid Dumb Excuses The Queers Used
To Be “Accepted” By The Loony Leftists.

Nothing But A Cancer Within
Because of Their Deviance They Have To Accept Everything

Disgusting Bunch.

Who are they?

I know a quite few other liberally minded people. I know a few gay folks. And to be fair, I know quite a few conservative folks and I know many straight folks. I don't know anyone who accepts (approves of) pedophilia. "Muddy the waters"....what waters? Why would anyone want to muddy them? Open the flood gates to pedophiles? What does this mean? Are there a hoard of pedophiles waiting for permission act on their sick fantasies? If there are, they should give it up because no one that I know of is going to provide this.



Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 14, 2019, 11:33:21 PM
Who are they?

I know a quite few other liberally minded people. I know a few gay folks. And to be fair, I know quite a few conservative folks and I know many straight folks. I don't know anyone who accepts (approves of) pedophilia. "Muddy the waters"....what waters? Why would anyone want to muddy them? Open the flood gates to pedophiles? What does this mean? Are there a hoard of pedophiles waiting for permission act on their sick fantasies? If there are, they should give it up because no one that I know of is going to provide this.


You try to “Muddy the Waters” when ever you can & We All See it on Here Time & Time Again When You’re unable to Provide a Clear Straight Answer You start changing the subject or widening the parameters
To suit your Narrative.

As to paedophiles waiting for permission to act on their Sick fantasies  ::)
What like the Sicko queers waited for permission to act on Their’s.
Very Clearly Not - They are waiting for it to be “accepted/ normalised/ so they can have paedophile pride
Marches Etc 🤮🤮🤮 - No doubt they’ll have Kids with placards & bondage gear parading with their parents
Just Like Your Lot Do - And you’re Totally Accepting of That.

Paedo’s are using the exact same crap argument queers used to gain acceptance.
That’s something for Queers to be proud of  ::)  Well Done. 😡
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 16, 2019, 09:33:39 AM
How screwed up in the head does a parent have to be to do this to their kid....


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dads-battle-to-save-7-year-old-son-from-gender-transition-continues-as-trial-begins-today?utm_content=buffer1626c&utm_medium=LSN%2Bbuffer&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=LSN
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 16, 2019, 10:22:21 PM
I want to keep this thread going since we’re on the subject of “moral compass”

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/school-district-to-eliminate-locker-rooms-replace-them-with-gender-neutral-facilities
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: AbrahamG on October 16, 2019, 10:42:15 PM
You mean the moral compass that kills over 600k of babies per year? The moral compass that allows the baby to be born to wait until the dr and mother decide if it should live or die? The moral compass to have gay pride parades with adults running around naked in front of little children? The moral compass to break the law at the border?

The moral compass to ruin a mans life because you don’t agree with him? I could go on but please tell us more about your “moral compass”

Moral compass to tell blatant lies?  Yes, that moral compass.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 17, 2019, 03:04:11 PM
Once again, I agree with you on this issue coach.
BUT ,in my OPINION it's not very important.


The overall economy and what's going on in Syria is LOT more important.


Why does Syria concern you so much ?
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on October 17, 2019, 03:10:33 PM
I've made a point of being apolitical in real life so I would not put off potential clients. I started off the day with a tweet on my business profile about corrupt leftists followed by a Ben Garrison Cartoon. It went over very well! We don't need to even work with these lying losers anymore in our personal life. It isn't like they pull any weight in our local communities anyway.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Option D on October 18, 2019, 11:34:29 AM
Why does Syria concern you so much ?
Benghazi
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Option D on October 18, 2019, 11:35:11 AM
Why does Syria concern you so much ?
Crimea


... now shut up...
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 18, 2019, 03:44:14 PM
Benghazi

Yet you voted for Hillary     Go back to bed moron
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 18, 2019, 07:08:56 PM
Crimea


... now shut up...

1, I didn’t reply to your post
2, I didn’t ask you & more to the point I couldn’t care any less whet a
Moron like you says on anything
3, Just Go Ye Forth & Multiply & Don’t Return

HTH
Twat.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2019, 10:29:49 PM
Moral compass to tell blatant lies?  Yes, that moral compass.

What I posted is a stone cold fact
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 25, 2019, 08:56:30 PM
Comes home drunk as shit and bitter, starts thread on getbig about Trump, passes out and never returns to thread.
Typical lib

 ::)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 25, 2019, 08:57:56 PM
I agree, but objective information won't penetrate with most Trumpers.
They chose him based on emotional appeal as their "champion".
Any basic fact or info that challenges that is viewed as "fake news" and ignored.

Reminds me of this guy I from the same gym as  this Hooters waitress .

He was head over heels crazy about her , and tipped her well.
She smilled, flirted and kept his generous tips flowing.

When he asked her out, she replied ; " Sorry, I can't date customers"  excuse.

Eventually, she finished school , stopped working at Hooters, but still worked out in the same gym.
 So, he asks her out in the gym, and this time she smiles and says ; " Sorry, I have a boyfriend now."

When we razzed him about being shot down , he quickly told us ; " Damn it, I should have asked her earlier. I missed my shot."

Even when it was obvious she was never going out with him, he refused to beleive the  TRUTH.

 


Perfect example
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 25, 2019, 09:02:41 PM
Comes home drunk as shit and bitter, starts thread on getbig about Trump, passes out and never returns to thread.
Typical lib

I'm conservative in many regards. I would hope most people are a little of both. I've been traveling and don't spend much time on the computer anymore. My point is and remains; with all you know about Trump by now, to still be in his corner means you are willing to accept a devious, lying, sociopath as your leader... I am not. Simple as that   
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: TheGrinch on October 25, 2019, 09:09:11 PM
Easy test to see which side has the the sick in the head ones on it..


Step 1: Drive a car with COEXIST and Hillary 2016 bumper stickers while wearing a Feel the BERN hat around in the middle of a Red city .... watch as nothing happens.


Now just for shites and giggles...


Step 2: Drive a car with Trump 2016 and Trump 2020 bumper stickers while wearing a MAGA hat around in a blue city ...... then watch as merriment ensues as the beautiful tolerant nature of libs rears its head.

Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 25, 2019, 09:38:40 PM
I'm conservative in many regards. I would hope most people are a little of both. I've been traveling and don't spend much time on the computer anymore. My point is and remains; with all you know about Trump by now, to still be in his corner means you are willing to accept a devious, lying, sociopath as your leader... I am not. Simple as that   



Name the last 3-4 POTUS candidates you voted for then. Let's see how many are not devious, lying sociopaths.


Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 25, 2019, 11:40:48 PM
I'm conservative in many regards. I would hope most people are a little of both. I've been traveling and don't spend much time on the computer anymore. My point is and remains; with all you know about Trump by now, to still be in his corner means you are willing to accept a devious, lying, sociopath as your leader... I am not. Simple as that   

Happy Travels.

1, And None of That would apply To Killary
2, Or Pocahontas
3, Or Biden
4, or any other candidates

Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Dos Equis on October 26, 2019, 12:48:38 AM
I'm conservative in many regards. I would hope most people are a little of both. I've been traveling and don't spend much time on the computer anymore. My point is and remains; with all you know about Trump by now, to still be in his corner means you are willing to accept a devious, lying, sociopath as your leader... I am not. Simple as that   

BS.  This thread is nothing more than a very poor attempt at voting shaming.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 26, 2019, 09:21:17 PM
BS.  This thread is nothing more than a very poor attempt at voting shaming.

oh contraire ..if you are still considering voting for Trump, there is no amount of shaming that would register.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 26, 2019, 09:27:27 PM


Name the last 3-4 POTUS candidates you voted for then. Let's see how many are not devious, lying sociopaths.




1980 Reagan
1984 Reagan
1988 Bush
1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Abstained
2008 Obama
2012 Abstained
2016 Abstained
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 26, 2019, 09:27:58 PM
Happy Travels.

1, And None of That would apply To Killary
2, Or Pocahontas
3, Or Biden
4, or any other candidates



Not to the inth degree Trump takes it
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 26, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
1980 Reagan
1984 Reagan
1988 Bush
1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Abstained
2008 Obama
2012 Abstained
2016 Abstained


Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 26, 2019, 10:20:01 PM
Not to the inth degree Trump takes it

Now you’ve contradicted yourself - so you will accept
A Lying , Devious sociopath as long as they don’t Take it to The Level You Think Donald Does  ::)

That’s a Very Dumb Reply Agnostic- Even You’ve got To Admit That.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on October 27, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Now you’ve contradicted yourself - so you will accept
A Lying , Devious sociopath as long as they don’t Take it to The Level You Think Donald Does  ::)

That’s a Very Dumb Reply Agnostic- Even You’ve got To Admit That.
It's a very typical thought process among Trump haters. They've been programmed to think that Trump doing anything is bad, no matter who has done it before him or how many times, NOW it's bad.  ::)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on October 27, 2019, 10:04:02 AM
1980 Reagan
1984 Reagan
1988 Bush
1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Abstained
2008 Obama
2012 Abstained
2016 Abstained

Abstention is a weak choice.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 27, 2019, 06:35:24 PM
Abstention is a weak choice.


It's also what you might write when you wouldn't want to admit voting for Obama and Hillary.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: mazrim on October 27, 2019, 07:26:51 PM

It's also what you might write when you wouldn't want to admit voting for Obama and Hillary.
Yeah, doesn't really match up with how into this he is. If Trump is pretty much the worst person ever then Hillary would be the clear alternative.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Grape Ape on October 28, 2019, 04:55:12 AM
Abstention is a weak choice.

I used to think this but not anymore.  I thought that many veterans gave everything for us to have the right to vote, but now I believe they gave us the right to have the freedom to make our own choices.

We should not feel it's necessary to vote for the sake of voting.  If the main candidates are not desirable, abstaining is a reasonable option.

Writing in a candidate is just useless, for many practical reasons.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on October 28, 2019, 10:32:26 AM
I used to think this but not anymore.  I thought that many veterans gave everything for us to have the right to vote, but now I believe they gave us the right to have the freedom to make our own choices.

We should not feel it's necessary to vote for the sake of voting.  If the main candidates are not desirable, abstaining is a reasonable option.

Writing in a candidate is just useless, for many practical reasons.


Well, I don't get what you are saying. If you choose to abstain from voting that's fine. But, nobody cares. Abstainers aren't counted, like they are at a board meeting or in Congress. All the non-vote in an election does is lower the total vote count. This sends a message. The message is people don't care who is elected or which bills are passed. Therefore, those in power feel free to do exactly as they please without the worry of repercussions.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
oh contraire ..if you are still considering voting for Trump, there is no amount of shaming that would register.

Nothing you say will register with me, because you have lied, more than once in my exchanges with you, and you're blinded by partisanship.  I'm talking about your attempt to shame others.  It's part of today's liberal-statist-progressive playbook. 
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2019, 10:47:51 AM
I used to think this but not anymore.  I thought that many veterans gave everything for us to have the right to vote, but now I believe they gave us the right to have the freedom to make our own choices.

We should not feel it's necessary to vote for the sake of voting.  If the main candidates are not desirable, abstaining is a reasonable option.

Writing in a candidate is just useless, for many practical reasons.


I essentially abstained in 2016 by voting for the space cadet Gary Johnson.  Hindsight, I should voted for Trump.  If he continues to perform as he has, he will absolutely get my vote in 2020, particularly in light of the horrendous Democrat candidates. 
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on October 28, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
I essentially abstained in 2016 by voting for the space cadet Gary Johnson.  Hindsight, I should voted for Trump.  If he continues to perform as he has, he will absolutely get my vote in 2020, particularly in light of the horrendous Democrat candidates. 

That’s honest of you & gets my respect
Many would’ve just flat out lied
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Grape Ape on October 29, 2019, 08:55:03 AM
I essentially abstained in 2016 by voting for the space cadet Gary Johnson.  Hindsight, I should voted for Trump.  If he continues to perform as he has, he will absolutely get my vote in 2020, particularly in light of the horrendous Democrat candidates. 

I did the same outside of the Johnson vote.

It was interesting, since TA was stating that Trump would be an amazing President once he was elected.

Then, I believe he soured on him a year or so in.

I'd be interested to hear his views.  Guy was spot on in his predictions leading up to the election.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Grape Ape on October 29, 2019, 08:59:03 AM
Well, I don't get what you are saying. If you choose to abstain from voting that's fine. But, nobody cares. Abstainers aren't counted, like they are at a board meeting or in Congress. All the non-vote in an election does is lower the total vote count. This sends a message. The message is people don't care who is elected or which bills are passed. Therefore, those in power feel free to do exactly as they please without the worry of repercussions.

You said abstaining was a weak choice.  I was explaining why I felt it's not.

As for the bolded, that's your subjective opinion on the message being sent.  It would only hold true if the amount of non-voters was consistent year to year.  If there's a sudden spike in the amount of abstainers, trend analyis would state something's changed, meaning it sends a different message - one of them being "your candidates suck".


Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Dos Equis on October 29, 2019, 10:24:01 AM
That’s honest of you & gets my respect
Many would’ve just flat out lied

Thank you.  I make a lot of mistakes.  I try and own and not repeat them. 
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Dos Equis on October 29, 2019, 10:27:06 AM
I did the same outside of the Johnson vote.

It was interesting, since TA was stating that Trump would be an amazing President once he was elected.

Then, I believe he soured on him a year or so in.

I'd be interested to hear his views.  Guy was spot on in his predictions leading up to the election.

Poly actually nailed the 2016 election. 

Also, Las Vegas (or whatever handle he is currently using) made an excellent point during the election that I totally blew off:  Trump's ego is so big that if he was elected he would try and do whatever he could to be as successful as possible.  I hated the guy so much I never really gave the prediction serious consideration.  But Las Vegas was right.  I do believe Trump is motivated in part by his love of the country and in part by ensuring his legacy is secure, which can only happen if he does a good job.  So far, he is doing a phenomenal job. 
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on October 29, 2019, 11:05:54 AM
You said abstaining was a weak choice.  I was explaining why I felt it's not.

As for the bolded, that's your subjective opinion on the message being sent.  It would only hold true if the amount of non-voters was consistent year to year.  If there's a sudden spike in the amount of abstainers, trend analyis would state something's changed, meaning it sends a different message - one of them being "your candidates suck".




Thank you for filling in the blanks.  ;)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 11, 2019, 09:56:35 PM

It's also what you might write when you wouldn't want to admit voting for Obama and Hillary.

Nah, if I did, I would admit it. We all rarely see eye to eye in here when it comes to politics. There have been times in my adulthood when I really didn't care which candidate won, and on a similar not, neither choice was tolerable. While I understand the argument we should always vote no matter what, I personally don't subscribe to that. But had I known Trump would have a chance of winning, I likely would have voted Hillary.  While I didn't care for her, I obviously think she was the lesser of the two evils
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 11, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
Now you’ve contradicted yourself - so you will accept
A Lying , Devious sociopath as long as they don’t Take it to The Level You Think Donald Does  ::)

That’s a Very Dumb Reply Agnostic- Even You’ve got To Admit That.

No, I am in general addressing the common claim by Trumpsters that "All politicians lie" as if that excuses the level of lying he is at. I think over time we have grown to accept some political lies, like candiates promising such and such on the campaign trail then failing to follow through or a spin on the truth to lessen the blow to themselves. In my opinion, Trump so far out lies what the norm used to be, that we will have to set a new norm that nothing ever emitted from a politicians mouth can be considered a fact. I understand as a supporter, you may not consider Trumps pathological lying as over the top but for me it's like a two by four across the head.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 11, 2019, 10:02:27 PM
Abstention is a weak choice.

If you like choosing between losing an eye or a hand that's up to you.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on November 11, 2019, 11:45:03 PM
No, I am in general addressing the common claim by Trumpsters that "All politicians lie" as if that excuses the level of lying he is at. I think over time we have grown to accept some political lies, like candiates promising such and such on the campaign trail then failing to follow through or a spin on the truth to lessen the blow to themselves. In my opinion, Trump so far out lies what the norm used to be, that we will have to set a new norm that nothing ever emitted from a politicians mouth can be considered a fact. I understand as a supporter, you may not consider Trumps pathological lying as over the top but for me it's like a two by four across the head.

I don’t like Donald or any other politicians lying yet they all Do.
Maybe Donald lies more, or Maybe he doesn’t sugar coat everything he says
Like others do - They’re still lying though.

I’d rather a Donald In the rough state he is Than some Devious deceitful Slick Politico
Lying through their Teeth.

To many just can’t handle the plain truth & Are used to Slick Suger coatings
That’s what I see as a Huge Problem for Many.

Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on November 12, 2019, 07:22:53 AM
No, I am in general addressing the common claim by Trumpsters that "All politicians lie" as if that excuses the level of lying he is at.
Apparently there is a level of lying that is acceptable to you, where do you draw the line?
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 15, 2019, 07:18:43 PM
Apparently there is a level of lying that is acceptable to you, where do you draw the line?

went right over your head...again...
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on November 16, 2019, 06:57:33 AM
went right over your head...again...
Of course, when you can't back up your bullshit, claim the other person just doesn't understand. Got it. ;)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Board_SHERIF on November 16, 2019, 07:33:09 AM
Of course, when you can't back up your bullshit, claim the other person just doesn't understand. Got it. ;)


forgive the former sacked security guard for he is a Libatard...
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on November 17, 2019, 06:28:29 PM

forgive the former sacked security guard for he is a Libatard...
What's sad is he was actually a cop, that means he was loose on the streets with these beliefs enforcing laws. :-\
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: The Scott on November 17, 2019, 06:46:06 PM
Apparently there is a level of lying that is acceptable to you, where do you draw the line?

Regardless of who "draws the line", liberals will most definitely snort it.  To hate only because "your side" lost is absurd and childish.

It's not hard to see that with the coming of President Trump, America is winning and with her the rest of the CIVILIZED world.

More Americans are working than ever before.  Unemployment for EVERYONE is down to record lows.  The Stock Market is up to record highs.  People, American people, are prospering.  And still the liberals want those same people, those same Americans, to SUFFER.

So too do they despise other nations that desire their right to sovereignty.  To these clowns I would say they will regret their stupidity for hindsight is indeed 20/20.

Unless you've got your head up your ass.  Or someone else's.   ;D ;D  When all is said and done, these cretins do not deserve to be protected from themselves.  A pox on them all.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 17, 2019, 07:18:10 PM
Regardless of who "draws the line", liberals will most definitely snort it. 



(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/joe-biden-hunter-biden.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on November 17, 2019, 07:34:46 PM
I’m 100% certain that when the Democrats get right to the point of their “gotcha” moment, Trump and Guiliani will release the paper trail to the illegal Biden, Clinton, and Obama payments.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on November 28, 2019, 08:21:24 PM
I’m 100% certain that when the Democrats get right to the point of their “gotcha” moment, Trump and Guiliani will release the paper trail to the illegal Biden, Clinton, and Obama payments.

I'm pretty certain as well that when it becomes crystal clear (it has) that Trump used his office to further his political gain at the cost of national security, people like you won't see it...  ;D
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on November 28, 2019, 09:01:37 PM
I'm pretty certain as well that when it becomes crystal clear (it has) that Trump used his office to further his political gain at the cost of national security, people like you won't see it...  ;D

At the cost of national security?

Okay, you’re about as credible as a Clinton.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on November 28, 2019, 11:48:25 PM
I'm pretty certain as well that when it becomes crystal clear (it has) that Trump used his office to further his political gain at the cost of national security, people like you won't see it...  ;D

Come on Agnostic - National security ?
Did you kick up as much fuss / was so upset when Killary Put National Security at Risk.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 13, 2019, 09:36:32 PM
Come on Agnostic - National security ?
Did you kick up as much fuss / was so upset when Killary Put National Security at Risk.

Her server use? Absolutely. Can someone just explain to me why they feel it is ok for a President.. any President, any party, to use their office to attempt to sway an election by getting a foreign government to PUBLICLY announce an investigation into a political rival? That's all I'm asking 
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: The Scott on December 13, 2019, 09:43:05 PM
Her server use? Absolutely. Can someone just explain to me why they feel it is ok for a President.. any President, any party, to use their office to attempt to sway an election by getting a foreign government to PUBLICLY announce an investigation into a political rival? That's all I'm asking 

Your words, like your pitiful anger, are flaccid. You're anger is fueled by pride.  What that pride is based upon is beyond reason.  Go ahead.  Do it, ace.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 13, 2019, 10:20:35 PM
Your words, like your pitiful anger, are flaccid. You're anger is fueled by pride.  What that pride is based upon is beyond reason.  Go ahead.  Do it, ace.

Nah, just a good ol boy from Oklahoma who was brought up to respect truth, honor and humility. This President is the opposite of what I was taught to respect and immolate. If my child acted as he does I would be disappointed, much less a President of the country I fought for
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: loco on December 14, 2019, 04:17:59 AM


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5BOtzGUUAAQCBr.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: The Scott on December 14, 2019, 07:01:34 AM
Nah, just a good ol boy from Oklahoma who was brought up to respect truth, honor and humility. This President is the opposite of what I was taught to respect and immolate. If my child acted as he does I would be disappointed, much less a President of the country I fought for

So you want a manlet.  Someone that bows to leaders of the Turd World.  Someone that awards medals for just showing up.  Someone that feels rather than thinks.  Someone that feels reality is whatever you're wearing.

Fuck That Noise.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on December 14, 2019, 07:03:41 AM
Nah, just a good ol boy from Oklahoma who was brought up to respect truth, honor and humility. This President is the opposite of what I was taught to respect and immolate. If my child acted as he does I would be disappointed, much less a President of the country I fought for
And which Presidential candidate do you feel represents that?
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on December 14, 2019, 08:19:51 AM
Still waiting for someone to state what egregious crime the retard Democrats think they are going to try to impeach President Trump on?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Bueller?
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 14, 2019, 12:05:03 PM
Still waiting for someone to state what egregious crime the retard Democrats think they are going to try to impeach President Trump on?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Bueller?



Breathing. Winning.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2019, 02:33:51 PM
It’s all over a phone call
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on December 14, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
It’s all over a phone call

Yup. Be careful what you say on the phone....someone might be listening in.  ;D
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on December 14, 2019, 06:27:44 PM
It’s all over a phone call

It’s the Democrats admitting that they don’t stand a chance against President Donald Trump in 2020 !
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: illuminati on December 14, 2019, 09:52:28 PM
Her server use? Absolutely. Can someone just explain to me why they feel it is ok for a President.. any President, any party, to use their office to attempt to sway an election by getting a foreign government to PUBLICLY announce an investigation into a political rival? That's all I'm asking 

Politics was & is a dirty business
Not sure why you’re acting so upset it’s not like all other presidents
Haven’t indulged in skullduggery - And No I’m not trying to justify Donald
Or any other presidents possibly wrongful behaviour.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 15, 2019, 02:41:00 AM
Yup. Be careful what you say on the phone....someone might be listening in.  ;D

Hey numbnuts Biden admitted into tape to actually doing what you accuse Donald of trying to do.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 15, 2019, 12:00:03 PM
Ooopppsssss


https://nypost.com/2019/12/15/comey-i-was-wrong-to-rely-on-fisa-process-to-monitor-carter-page/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site+buttons&utm_campaign=site+buttons

Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: The Scott on December 15, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
Libtards aren't pulling anything but their collective putz.  FTN.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: AbrahamG on January 15, 2020, 07:58:11 PM
Libtards aren't pulling anything but their collective putz.  FTN.

I jerked off twice last night.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on January 15, 2020, 09:45:41 PM
I jerked off twice last night.
Pelosi leak nudes?
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: AbrahamG on January 15, 2020, 10:59:34 PM
Pelosi leak nudes?

Her in a tight dress is all I need these days.  80 year old milk juggs of piece.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Primemuscle on January 15, 2020, 11:05:36 PM
Her in a tight dress is all I need these days.  80 year old milk juggs of piece.

I must admit, her walk in that outfit was attention grabbing. She's got a pretty hot bod for an antique. But then, she is an Italian broad.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on January 16, 2020, 06:44:58 AM
I must admit, her walk in that outfit was attention grabbing. She's got a pretty hot bod for an antique. But then, she is an Italian broad.

Soggy old deviant queer trying to fit in....
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: AbrahamG on January 16, 2020, 04:51:58 PM
Soggy old deviant queer trying to fit in....

Admittedly you are a strapping 6' and 145lbs soaking wet.  Prime could swing his floppy tits (as seen in a recent ironmeister depiction of prime and basile) and knock you from your senses or what's left of them.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on January 16, 2020, 05:38:41 PM
Admittedly you are a strapping 6' and 145lbs soaking wet.  Prime could swing his floppy tits (as seen in a recent ironmeister depiction of prime and basile) and knock you from your senses or what's left of them.

I’m 135 lbs.

And 6’-0 1/4”

And 100% female.

And I’m certain you rank below a Paki in the hierarchy of society.

Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: AbrahamG on January 16, 2020, 06:05:00 PM
I’m 135 lbs.

And 6’-0 1/4”

And 100% female.

And I’m certain you rank below a Paki in the hierarchy of society.



Wow, you must be a real catch.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on January 16, 2020, 07:01:02 PM
Wow, you must be a real catch.

I am.

I’m not sorry that you’re insignificant and full of self-loathing.

Your wife probably hates you slightly less than the rest of us.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: AbrahamG on January 16, 2020, 07:03:09 PM
I am.

I’m not sorry that you’re insignificant and full of self-loathing.

Your wife probably hates you slightly less than the rest of us.

To quote Howard (RIP) "good zinger". 
C
U
Next
Tuesday
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: JustPlaneJane on January 16, 2020, 07:05:08 PM
To quote Howard (RIP) "good zinger". 
C
U
Next
Tuesday

Pretty sad when you have to look up to a Howard post for guidance.

Enjoy your Down’s Syndrome.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: AbrahamG on January 16, 2020, 07:07:04 PM
Pretty sad when you have to look up to a Howard post for guidance.

Enjoy your Down’s Syndrome.

Down's Syndrome.  Fucking hilarious subject matter.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 16, 2020, 08:00:46 PM
What's sad is he was actually a cop, that means he was loose on the streets with these beliefs enforcing laws. :-\

what it really means, just between you and me.. is if I think this... and I'm very well versed in evidence and facts., it means you might be wrong.. and well,,,we just can't have that can we
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on January 16, 2020, 09:30:17 PM
what it really means, just between you and me.. is if I think this... and I'm very well versed in evidence and facts., it means you might be wrong.. and well,,,we just can't have that can we
Evidence is not heresy, which is all the democrats have, speculation, maybes and what ifs. Same shit they've grasped at for the last 3 years. Don't you wish the democratic party would work for the people for once?
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: The Scott on January 17, 2020, 04:19:12 AM
what it really means, just between you and me.. is if I think this... and I'm very well versed in evidence and facts., it means you might be wrong.. and well,,,we just can't have that can we

*SNICKER*

Go ahead...Go there.  And just to be certain you're aware, no one here has to do anything other than quote you to make a fool of you.

Sorry for you, but that's pretty much how it is with Prime.

You are better than this.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 23, 2020, 09:00:48 PM
*SNICKER*

Go ahead...Go there.  And just to be certain you're aware, no one here has to do anything other than quote you to make a fool of you.

Sorry for you, but that's pretty much how it is with Prime.

You are better than this.

I apologize for not speaking to your level.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 23, 2020, 09:03:43 PM
Evidence is not heresy, which is all the democrats have, speculation, maybes and what ifs. Same shit they've grasped at for the last 3 years. Don't you wish the democratic party would work for the people for once?

Dude.. they have the Presidents own words, they have the notes from the call. they have emails, letters, everything they need to establish Trump used his office to try and get favors from a foreign  power to investigate his political rival. If you can't see that... I can't help you
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: chaos on January 23, 2020, 09:13:59 PM
Dude.. they have the Presidents own words, they have the notes from the call. they have emails, letters, everything they need to establish Trump used his office to try and get favors from a foreign  power to investigate his political rival. If you can't see that... I can't help you
Funny how your own quote applies to you. :)

Funny how ones personal experiences can totally be wrong
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 23, 2020, 09:28:08 PM
Funny how your own quote applies to you. :)


Except this isn't a personal experience of walking by a TV.. apples and oranges, but you knew that. Come on Chaos.. you're smarter than that
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: pellius on January 23, 2020, 10:39:46 PM
Dude.. they have the Presidents own words, they have the notes from the call. they have emails, letters, everything they need to establish Trump used his office to try and get favors from a foreign  power to investigate his political rival. If you can't see that... I can't help you

Yes, the President's own words. As Soundland testified during his deposition"

"I asked him one open-ended question: What do you want from Ukraine? And as I recall, he was in a very bad mood. It was a very quick conversation. He said: I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I want Zelenskyy to do the right thing. (Sondland Depo. at 106)"
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: The Scott on January 24, 2020, 04:31:08 AM
I apologize for not speaking to your level.


My level of intelligence, for that is what you're intimating, is most definitely beneath the majority of those here. But even such as I know this:

Benjamin Franklin said, "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."

Do not feign ignorance, it is nothing but the last stand of the stupid.  You may well know of the law, but you conveniently ignore it because of blind hatred.  Hatred of President Trump.  Hatred of America and her citizens. 

But apparently you and certain others here readily embrace the shitizens of our Nation.  Those that crap not only in stores and on sidewalks but also all over truth, justice and the American way.

I suppose one should be grateful that at least you work hard at something.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Grape Ape on January 24, 2020, 05:11:41 AM
Dude.. they have the Presidents own words, they have the notes from the call. they have emails, letters, everything they need to establish Trump used his office to try and get favors from a foreign  power to investigate his political rival. If you can't see that... I can't help you
You are taking your own bias and subjectivity and stating it as fact.

But the objective view was - was he investigating a political rival, or corruption in the government?

Since they are one in the same, the onus was on the Democrats to prove the intent was the former, and in an attmept to influcence the election.

And they didn't.  The completely failed to prove their case with direct evidence.

If you go by what you said, they didn't need to do anything else after the transcript was released.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Irongrip400 on January 24, 2020, 06:12:25 AM
You are taking your own bias and subjectivity and stating it as fact.

But the objective view was - was he investigating a political rival, or corruption in the government?

Since they are one in the same, the onus was on the Democrats to prove the intent was the former, and in an attmept to influcence the election.

And they didn't.  The completely failed to prove their case with direct evidence.

If you go by what you said, they didn't need to do anything else after the transcript was released.

Since we’ll never know what was in his head, ie “the real reason behind it, because none of us are mind readers, we’ll just have to take the transcript at face value.

I’m also not going to pretend that Trump didn’t know what he was doing and there wasn’t some bit of wink wink, nod nod going on. But you can’t convict on something like that.
Title: Re: Time to stop pulling punches
Post by: Grape Ape on January 24, 2020, 06:36:34 AM
Since we’ll never know what was in his head, ie “the real reason behind it, because none of us are mind readers, we’ll just have to take the transcript at face value.

I’m also not going to pretend that Trump didn’t know what he was doing and there wasn’t some bit of wink wink, nod nod going on. But you can’t convict on something like that.

Exactly.

We require proof of guilt - direct evidence.  They just don't have it.  Plus Zelinsky said he wasn't pressured.

But I also don't think Trump feared Biden.