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I think it's time to ban boxing
Boxer Patrick Day died Wednesday after suffering a traumatic brain injury Saturday night during a bout in Chicago. He was 27.
Day was hospitalized and in "extremely critical condition" Saturday night after he was knocked out by Charles Conwell in the 10th round of their USBA super welterweight title fight. Day was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital and underwent emergency surgery. He lapsed into a coma and never regained consciousness.
His promoter, Lou DiBella, announced Day's death in a statement Wednesday afternoon, saying the boxer was surrounded by his family, friends and members of his boxing team.
The statement read: "Patrick Day didn't need to box. He came from a good family, he was smart, educated, had good values and had other avenues available to him to earn a living. He chose to box, knowing the inherent risks that every fighter faces when he or she walks into a boxing ring. Boxing is what Pat loved to do. It's how he inspired people and it was something that made him feel alive."
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Total shame,and I saw a video where Conwell is all fucked up mentally over it.
Very sad situation.
RIP CHAMP
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may as well ban all contact sports, someone s always bound to get hurt
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Total shame,and I saw a video where Conwell is all fucked up mentally over it.
Very sad situation.
RIP CHAMP
This is 3 in the last 4 months
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Heart breaking. Absolutely heart breaking.
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This is 3 in the last 4 months
Dudes are dropping like flies lately in boxing.
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People die all the time. no one forced him into the ring. He knew the risks.
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A knock out is a brain injury concussion. So many fighters in their later years have brain damage. I only had five fights in the ring and decided I wanted to remain pretty. Aside from a crooked nose I think I achieved that. Now as I age I want nothing to do with fighting. My one daughter is married to a guy that competes in jui jitsu and my other daughter is engaged to a a purple belt in BJJ. Both guys want me to go to their dojo because I'm a fan watching of UFC and trained in BJJ many years ago. At this point in my life I don't want to roll on mats with smelly guys anymore.
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A knock out is a brain injury concussion. So many fighters in their later years have brain damage. I only had five fights in the ring and decided I wanted to remain pretty. Aside from a crooked nose I think I achieved that. Now as I age I want nothing to do with fighting. My one daughter is married to a guy that competes in jui jitsu and my other daughter is engaged to a a purple belt in BJJ. Both guys want me to go to their dojo because I'm a fan watching of UFC and trained in BJJ many years ago. At this point in my life I don't want to roll on mats with smelly guys anymore.
theres a bjj pro who claims he was never the same after he was choked out
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theres a bj pro who claims he was never the same after he was choked out
Sucking cock is a dangerous endeavor.
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Hit his head pretty hard on the ring floor.
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Doesn't seem like it was anything that could have been avoided. The refs have a tough job. If they stop it too early they get bashed.
I cringe when I see someone in MMA crumble to the mat and goes limp after taking it on the button and the other fighter still pouches on him and starts raining down hammer fists of his face until the ref has to literally dive on the other fighter to stop it. Taking just one or two of those hammer fist when you are already unconscious and defenseless is just asking for trouble.
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I was offered to turn professional when I was younger and for various reasons decided against it. I hated everything about boxing apart from the training and competing side of it, which I still miss. There's just no denying that it's an incredibly stupid thing to do unless there's significant financial reward to justify the risk. The possibility of suffering severe brain damage always scared me.
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Sucking cock is a dangerous endeavor.
Hahahahahahahaha!
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Hit his head pretty hard on the ring floor.
The thing that killed him was the fall. He was out cold immediately after the shot. Poor guy. I wonder if they could instruct refs to hold them up if they see something like that happen. He did get a sustained beating and had multiple knockdowns in that fight so we will never know.
In all honesty though Day had poor defense and no power whoever encouraged him to continue boxing was lying to him golden glove win or not. He was also fighting a much more talented guy, he was put in there as canon fodder with a small chance to win.
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Sucking cock is a dangerous endeavor.
:D
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I think it's time to ban boxing
I think if you're absolutely serious about that (and I suspect you probably haven't thought about it and are maybe not), if you are.. you're one of these knee jerk reacting, selfish wankers who practically live for being outraged, trying their best to stick their fucking nose everywhere, going around making decisions for grown adults.
You know the type. One or a few people die and despite the incredibly low odds of someone dying (when amount of participation is taken into account) they act like that means nobody on earth should be doing it ::)
I don't take any joy in seeing that some guy died in a boxing ring, but if I were a boxer, I sure as hell wouldn't want my misfortune colouring the sport, in general.
Newsflash: Sport where goal is to knock opponent out, opponent is knocked out.
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For every life that is lost because of boxing, you do not here of the many thousands of life’s that are saved because of boxing.
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For every life that is lost because of boxing, you do not here of the many thousands of life’s that are saved because of boxing.
Good post.
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theres a bjj pro who claims he was never the same after he was choked out
That's nonsense. Unless the dude held the choke way to long and deprived the brain of oxygen, that's just nonsense. Being choked out is nothing. You just feel like you're looking up at a rabbit-hole that closes in, and you can usually hear what's going on and don't even know you've been choked out. Even if the guy holds the choke too long, he'll likely get tired and loosen up and you may 'come to' still in the chokehold without anybody realizing you've been out... Anyways you just wake up like nothing happened.
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That's nonsense. Unless the dude held the choke way to long and deprived the brain of oxygen, that's just nonsense. Being choked out is nothing. You just feel like you're looking up at a rabbit-hole that closes in, and you can usually hear what's going on and don't even know you've been choked out. Even if the guy holds the choke too long, he'll likely get tired and loosen up and you may 'come to' still in the chokehold without anybody realizing you've been out... Anyways you just wake up like nothing happened.
yes, it takes a few minures before the brain is affected by lack of oxygen enough to cause permenant damage.
Although the guy may have had underlying issues , bleed on the brain for example and made the wrong connection to that injury and the choke
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The thing that killed him was the fall. He was out cold immediately after the shot. Poor guy. I wonder if they could instruct refs to hold them up if they see something like that happen. He did get a sustained beating and had multiple knockdowns in that fight so we will never know.
In all honesty though Day had poor defense and no power whoever encouraged him to continue boxing was lying to him golden glove win or not. He was also fighting a much more talented guy, he was put in there as canon fodder with a small chance to win.
Yep, if you watch the replay in slow mo you can see his eyes were still there after the last hit. Once his head hit the canvas and bounced back up you can see is eyes rolling back already. Looks like he went into a seizure immediately.
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I was on YouTube and someone said that Day didn`t have to be a boxer because he was poor or anything,he just loved boxing.
He was a college graduate,and his father is a doctor and his mother works for the U.N.
Fucking shame.
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I think if you're absolutely serious about that (and I suspect you probably haven't thought about it and are maybe not), if you are.. you're one of these knee jerk reacting, selfish wankers who practically live for being outraged, trying their best to stick their fucking nose everywhere, going around making decisions for grown adults.
You know the type. One or a few people die and despite the incredibly low odds of someone dying (when amount of participation is taken into account) they act like that means nobody on earth should be doing it ::)
I don't take any joy in seeing that some guy died in a boxing ring, but if I were a boxer, I sure as hell wouldn't want my misfortune colouring the sport, in general.
Newsflash: Sport where goal is to knock opponent out, opponent is knocked out.
I'm pretty sure he was being facetious and mocking the current trend today I'm wanting to ban everything that they don't like.
Che boxed at a high level.
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This is 3 in the last 4 months
I recall hearing about the other one [I think the most recent one, prior to this one].
Is that what it is now - three deaths in boxing in the past four months?
Why is this happening? Is there something boxers are taking that allows them to push forward mentally when their bodies are saying "Absolutely not!"? Or is it just the fighter's mentality to fight to the death?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't even one boxing death in a year be rare? Let alone three over a four month time frame?
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Patrick Day 10/16/19
Boris Stanchov 9/21/19
Hugo Santillan 7/25/19
Maxim Dadashev 7/19/19
Kind of rare I would say but it has happened before....3 boxers all died in 1982 from injuries incurred in the ring.
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I'm pretty sure he was being facetious and mocking the current trend today I'm wanting to ban everything that they don't like.
Che boxed at a high level.
Did ratherbebig ban himself, or did Ron send him away?
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Patrick Day 10/16/19
Boris Stanchov 9/21/19
Hugo Santillan 7/25/19
Maxim Dadashev 7/19/19
Kind of rare I would say but it has happened before....3 boxers all died in 1982 from injuries incurred in the ring.
Would it be correct to say that this many boxing deaths in a year is basically a once in a decade thing - if not several decades?
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Would it be correct to say that this many boxing deaths in a year is basically a once in a decade thing - if not several decades?
I`m not sure,but I never heard of too many dying.......... in my time anyway, until just lately.
Lots of guys have died of course over the decades,but I would highly doubt if it was this frequent in one timeframe.
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Why is this happening? Is there something boxers are taking that allows them to push forward mentally when their bodies are saying "Absolutely not!"? Or is it just the fighter's mentality to fight to the death?
There are many factors ,one of them is that quitting in boxing is not acceptable , in MMA if you get caught in a submission and tap out, the fans don't give fuck they will say he got caught and still watch your fights , in boxing even when you don't quit like Anthony Joshua against Ruiz ,the fans will call you pussy , coward ,bitch ........................ ....there are many other factors like adrenaline , heart , will to win , money ,family , ................notice how some of the boxers who died they collapsed right after the end of the fight , obviously they were feeling like shit way before that but in boxing even in the amateurs you don't want to show weakness ,even when you have a massive headache and your trainer ask you are you OK you say yes I'm fine , even when some shady promoter from small town asks for a 125 lbs fighter ,you train your ass off to make weight, and you get there the dude you are fighting is 140 lbs ,you still fight him because you don't want to be seen as a pussy................... ........................ ..........etc
Check out this fight , look at Mc Clellan blinking ,feeling something he never felt before ,still got up to keep fighting and listen to the commentators basically calling him a pussy, a quitter ,
This is Mc Clellan now after that fight .
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There are many factors ,one of them is that quitting in boxing is not acceptable ,
Just look what happened to Duran after the second Leonard fight...
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Each year, 13 boxers on average die in the ring
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/sport/boxing-deaths-patrick-day-spt-intl-trnd/index.html#targetText=(CNN)%20It's%20a%20sport%20which,of%2013%20deaths%20a%20year.
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I had no clue that many people died each year............that`s insane.
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Just look what happened to Duran after the second Leonard fight...
He did quit ;D not because he was hurt ,he quit because he was a crazy fuck, but even after winning multiple world titles and being considered top 10 boxer of all time ,people still remember him as a quitter
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Duran was one badass motherfacker.........qui t or not,guy was a true beast.
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Duran was one badass motherfacker.........qui t or not,guy was a true beast.
My favorite fighter of all time
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My favorite fighter of all time
Dude was awesome.
He grew up in a sort of tough neighborhood. LOL ;D
My favorite fighter of all time was Sugar Ray Leonard by contrast.
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Dude was awesome.
He grew up in a sort of tough neighborhood. LOL ;D
My favorite fighter of all time was Sugar Ray Leonard by contrast.
Sugar Ray was good as fuck , Tommy Hearns , Marvin Hagler awesome boxers
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Sugar Ray was good as fuck , Tommy Hearns , Marvin Hagler awesome boxers
Those three and Duran in the WW to MW classes are 4 guys that will always be rememberd.
All Hall Of Famers and great boxers...........not quite even equalled to this day and I`m being nice.
Todays guys cherry pick fights and fight twice a year or so................those 4 guys would fight the best that the sport had to offer without any repercussions.
Today it`s all about the money and not bout legacy.
Good fight on tonight che..........ESPN at 10 PM bro.
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Those three and Duran in the WW to MW classes are 4 guys that will always be rememberd.
All Hall Of Famers and great boxers...........not quite even equalled to this day and I`m being nice.
Todays guys cherry pick fights and fight twice a year or so................those 4 guys would fight the best that the sport had to offer without any repercussions.
Today it`s all about the money and not bout legacy.
Good fight on tonight che..........ESPN at 10 PM bro.
Amen
Thanks Wes ,I'll be watching it
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He did quit ;D not because he was hurt ,he quit because he was a crazy fuck, but even after winning multiple world titles and being considered top 10 boxer of all time ,people still remember him as a quitter
I know, that was my point.. ???
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Harsh..just watched his last fight.
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Did ratherbebig ban himself, or did Ron send him away?
Not sure. What made you bring him up? He was a pretty active poster and now that you mention it he does seem to have disappeared.
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Most brutal round of all time
Hearns vs Hagler RD 1
Honorable mention: Norton vs Holmes RD 15
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Not sure. What made you bring him up? He was a pretty active poster and now that you mention it he does seem to have disappeared.
Getbig is gimmick central.
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Most brutal round of all time
Hearns vs Hagler RD 1
Honorable mention: Norton vs Holmes RD 15
I remember that. Those were the glory days.
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Most brutal round of all time
Hearns vs Hagler RD 1
Honorable mention: Norton vs Holmes RD 15
Gatti Ward Round 9 first fight
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I'm pretty sure he was being facetious and mocking the current trend today I'm wanting to ban everything that they don't like.
Che boxed at a high level.
Fair enough.
This is Mc Clellan now after that fight .
Almost a living hell. His family are far better people than I would be, taking care of him. That's fucked up. The moments of lucidity and then regression are incredible.
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Fair enough.
Almost a living hell. His family are far better people than I would be, taking care of him. That's fucked up. The moments of lucidity and then regression are incredible.
Don King really fucked him over....
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Most brutal round of all time
Hearns vs Hagler RD 1
Honorable mention: Norton vs Holmes RD 15
Just watched that Hagler vs Hearns 1st round the other day on youtube. Brutal!
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Just watched that Hagler vs Hearns 1st round the other day on youtube. Brutal!
I'm going to pull that up myself later tonight. I miss those days. Bunch of friends getting together and watching those true warriors back in those days: Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns -- the four Kings. You really got a sense of anticipation and excitement as fight day approached. I don't really get that anymore.
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Just watched Norton vs Holmes round 15. Another great round and fight.
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Just watched Norton vs Holmes round 15. Another great round and fight.
Great round
Castillo vs Corrales round 10 was pretty good
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Great round
Castillo vs Corrales round 10 was pretty good
Brutal fucking fight !! :o
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RIP @ Patrick Day.
Make sure you guys tune in Saturday night for Regis Prograis and Josh Taylor. 2 undefeated jr. welterweights in a unification match. On paper this is one of the best fights to be made in boxing. This fight should be getting more hype than it is. If Prograis wins impressively, he should crack the top 10 in most p4p rankings.
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RIP @ Patrick Day.
Make sure you guys tune in Saturday night for Regis Prograis and Josh Taylor. 2 undefeated jr. welterweights in a unification match. On paper this is one of the best fights to be made in boxing. This fight should be getting more hype than it is. If Prograis wins impressively, he should crack the top 10 in most p4p rankings.
Damn right bro,another potential Fight Of The Year candidate for sure.
I`m riding with Prograis but I feel it`s gonna be a total all out war.
Both guys are great boxers.
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I think it's time to ban boxing
This is something I've struggled with for years. I am not a professional boxer, nor have I ever made a living from the sport, but I have trained in boxing for over 40 years and have suffered from at least 4 concussions as a result of sparring. Professional boxers hit VERY hard, unlike anything most people experience at the hands of a local bar drunk. When you participate in a sport where for 12 rounds (back in the day it was 15 rounds), another well trained killer has one single target to make contact with and that target happens to be the casing for your brain, it is only a matter of time before all parties involved in the sport start to suffer from long-term consequences involving neurological disorders.
I know some will argue that MMA is very similar, but a few of the differences include that there is more than one way to earn points or even win in an MMA match (submission etc) and most MMA fighters do not hit as hard as professional boxers do when it comes to striking with their hands. Football also causes a lot of head trauma, but at least they have helmets and pads. I think that while the ban of boxing will not occur any time soon, I do believe that head gear should be made mandatory for all professional boxing events. For those that don't appreciate the idea, realize that wearing head gear doesn't make that much of a difference. I've been knocked out at least 3 times while wearing head gear, all from the sheer force of impact that rattled my brain.
Something has to change, because there will continue to be horror stories surrounding professional boxers past their retirement. Before, we didn't have social media, today there will be nowhere to hide the gruesome effects from such a medieval sport.
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This is something I've struggled with for years. I am not a professional boxer, nor have I ever made a living from the sport, but I have trained in boxing for over 40 years and have suffered from at least 4 concussions as a result of sparring. Professional boxers hit VERY hard, unlike anything most people experience at the hands of a local bar drunk. When you participate in a sport where for 12 rounds (back in the day it was 15 rounds), another well trained killer has one single target to make contact with and that target happens to be the casing for your brain, it is only a matter of time before all parties involved in the sport start to suffer from long-term consequences involving neurological disorders.
I know some will argue that MMA is very similar, but a few of the differences include that there is more than one way to earn points or even win in an MMA match (submission etc) and most MMA fighters do not hit as hard as professional boxers do when it comes to striking with their hands. Football also causes a lot of head trauma, but at least they have helmets and pads. I think that while the ban of boxing will not occur any time soon, I do believe that head gear should be made mandatory for all professional boxing events. For those that don't appreciate the idea, realize that wearing head gear doesn't make that much of a difference. I've been knocked out at least 3 times while wearing head gear, all from the sheer force of impact that rattled my brain.
Something has to change, because there will continue to be horror stories surrounding professional boxers past their retirement. Before, we didn't have social media, today there will be nowhere to hide the gruesome effects from such a medieval sport.
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You are absolutely right about how hard pro boxers hit. I worked out at a boxing gym 20 years ago and there were a few pros there including Zab Judah and former world champ from the 80's "Prince" Charles Williams as well as some small time local boxers. Seeing these guys fight on t.v. is nothing like seeing them up close. There was one heavyweight who everyone was terrified to even spar against because he hit so hard even sparring. The guy only fought less than 10 fights before he quit fighting so I can only imagine what a heavyweight champ must hit like.
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This is something I've struggled with for years. I am not a professional boxer, nor have I ever made a living from the sport, but I have trained in boxing for over 40 years and have suffered from at least 4 concussions as a result of sparring. Professional boxers hit VERY hard, unlike anything most people experience at the hands of a local bar drunk. When you participate in a sport where for 12 rounds (back in the day it was 15 rounds), another well trained killer has one single target to make contact with and that target happens to be the casing for your brain, it is only a matter of time before all parties involved in the sport start to suffer from long-term consequences involving neurological disorders.
I know some will argue that MMA is very similar, but a few of the differences include that there is more than one way to earn points or even win in an MMA match (submission etc) and most MMA fighters do not hit as hard as professional boxers do when it comes to striking with their hands. Football also causes a lot of head trauma, but at least they have helmets and pads. I think that while the ban of boxing will not occur any time soon, I do believe that head gear should be made mandatory for all professional boxing events. For those that don't appreciate the idea, realize that wearing head gear doesn't make that much of a difference. I've been knocked out at least 3 times while wearing head gear, all from the sheer force of impact that rattled my brain.
Something has to change, because there will continue to be horror stories surrounding professional boxers past their retirement. Before, we didn't have social media, today there will be nowhere to hide the gruesome effects from such a medieval sport.
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the thing that needs to stop in MMA is the fact they have to be dragged off a downed opponent, they should be disciplined enough to stop when told to break, boxers cope well enough
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You are absolutely right about how hard pro boxers hit. I worked out at a boxing gym 20 years ago and there were a few pros there including Zab Judah and former world champ from the 80's "Prince" Charles Williams as well as some small time local boxers. Seeing these guys fight on t.v. is nothing like seeing them up close. There was one heavyweight who everyone was terrified to even spar against because he hit so hard even sparring. The guy only fought less than 10 fights before he quit fighting so I can only imagine what a heavyweight champ must hit like.
I would never want to feel that kind of pain. A Tyson or Lewis in their prime or guys like Fury or Wilder.
Shit, watch these clips of Ray Mercer's top knockouts. The man was a damn savage in his prime. It literally would look like the man was trying to kill people. His knockout of Pegues was downright scary. Holy smokes man.
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the thing that needs to stop in MMA is the fact they have to be dragged off a downed opponent, they should be disciplined enough to stop when told to break, boxers cope well enough
Not everyone does that, but then you also have some really stupid people that fight in MMA.
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Not everyone does that, but then you also have some really stupid people that fight in MMA.
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Hitting people that are already unconscious is probably the most dangerous thing you can do, most boxers who get badly damaged are the ones that hit their heads when they go down
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This is something I've struggled with for years. I am not a professional boxer, nor have I ever made a living from the sport, but I have trained in boxing for over 40 years and have suffered from at least 4 concussions as a result of sparring. Professional boxers hit VERY hard, unlike anything most people experience at the hands of a local bar drunk. When you participate in a sport where for 12 rounds (back in the day it was 15 rounds), another well trained killer has one single target to make contact with and that target happens to be the casing for your brain, it is only a matter of time before all parties involved in the sport start to suffer from long-term consequences involving neurological disorders.
I know some will argue that MMA is very similar, but a few of the differences include that there is more than one way to earn points or even win in an MMA match (submission etc) and most MMA fighters do not hit as hard as professional boxers do when it comes to striking with their hands. Football also causes a lot of head trauma, but at least they have helmets and pads. I think that while the ban of boxing will not occur any time soon, I do believe that head gear should be made mandatory for all professional boxing events. For those that don't appreciate the idea, realize that wearing head gear doesn't make that much of a difference. I've been knocked out at least 3 times while wearing head gear, all from the sheer force of impact that rattled my brain.
Something has to change, because there will continue to be horror stories surrounding professional boxers past their retirement. Before, we didn't have social media, today there will be nowhere to hide the gruesome effects from such a medieval sport.
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I was a very heavy-handed fighter naturally, and most of my bouts ended in KOs - some pretty bad (sounds boastful but just stating a fact). Head gear would never work in professional boxing; it's not even used in high-level amateur bouts anymore. In my opinion, it does nothing to mitigate the potential damage done to the brain. It just prevents cuts in sparring. I think it also puts people at a greater risk of being hurt because it can affect peripheral vision. Ultimately, boxing is a dangerous, unforgiving and corrupt sport but an adult should have the right to weigh up the risks and participate if they wish.
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I was a very heavy-handed fighter naturally, and most of my bouts ended in KOs - some pretty bad (sounds boastful but just stating a fact). Head gear would never work in professional boxing; it's not even used in high-level amateur bouts anymore. In my opinion, it does nothing to mitigate the potential damage done to the brain. It just prevents cuts in sparring. I think it also puts people at a greater risk of being hurt because it can affect peripheral vision. Ultimately, boxing is a dangerous, unforgiving and corrupt sport but an adult should have the right to weigh up the risks and participate if they wish.
I have noticed the lack of headgear in some amateur bouts now.
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This is something I've struggled with for years. I am not a professional boxer, nor have I ever made a living from the sport, but I have trained in boxing for over 40 years and have suffered from at least 4 concussions as a result of sparring. Professional boxers hit VERY hard, unlike anything most people experience at the hands of a local bar drunk. When you participate in a sport where for 12 rounds (back in the day it was 15 rounds), another well trained killer has one single target to make contact with and that target happens to be the casing for your brain, it is only a matter of time before all parties involved in the sport start to suffer from long-term consequences involving neurological disorders.
I know some will argue that MMA is very similar, but a few of the differences include that there is more than one way to earn points or even win in an MMA match (submission etc) and most MMA fighters do not hit as hard as professional boxers do when it comes to striking with their hands. Football also causes a lot of head trauma, but at least they have helmets and pads. I think that while the ban of boxing will not occur any time soon, I do believe that head gear should be made mandatory for all professional boxing events. For those that don't appreciate the idea, realize that wearing head gear doesn't make that much of a difference. I've been knocked out at least 3 times while wearing head gear, all from the sheer force of impact that rattled my brain.
Something has to change, because there will continue to be horror stories surrounding professional boxers past their retirement. Before, we didn't have social media, today there will be nowhere to hide the gruesome effects from such a medieval sport.
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I hear you bro , but the problem with boxing is that it is a very lonely sport ,unlike MMA where you can train with bunch of guys form a team , help each other, learn from each other , support each other.................. in boxing you are always by yourself , training by yourself , your family isn't there ,trainers don't give a fuck about you unless they think you have what it takes to get them out of poverty , when you have a concussion ,you don't go to the doctor ,I've had headaches for 3 - 4 days straight that I couldn't even sleep or watch tv , or days after sparring or a fight where I couldn't remember anything that had happened that day ,you don't tell anyone you just deal with it, 90 % of boxers have some kind of brain damage but nobody talks about it because boxers don't talk about it , every other sport they have concussion protocol Football ,Hockey even Soccer ::) , boxing is way worse than any of these sports yet there is not a post concussion return to boxing protocol .
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I was watching some Prograis fights earlier. Huge talent and a great puncher, but he has a terrible habit of admiring his work and dropping his hands after throwing a combo. He's open to well-timed counters. Josh definitely has the power and if he's worked on staying in the pocket and countering rather than using his great footwork to get out of danger, then I can see him hurting Prograis.