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Title: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Howard on October 18, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mulvaney-admits-quid-pro-quo-military-aid-withheld/story?id=66353143
Here's the video.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: IroNat on October 18, 2019, 09:02:48 AM
It's got nothing to do with Biden. 

This was in reference to the 2016 election corruption by Dems.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Straw Man on October 18, 2019, 09:11:02 AM
Classic Trumptard strategy

First step - deny

Second step - keep denying but say if they had done it then it would be been ok

Third step - admit they did it and claim it's fine and that everyone does it

Fouth step - do something new and outrageous (in this case award the G7 summit to Trumps failing golf course) to distract from the most recent crime you've confessed to doing
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 18, 2019, 09:38:33 AM
Translation: The economy is doing well. Trump’s  foreign policy hasn’t gotten us into any stupid wars. The Democratic candidates are a disaster. So, let’s keep pushing this ridiculous impeachment angle.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2019, 09:45:55 AM
Obama gave $1.5bil I’m cash to a terrorist state delivered in the middle of the night on pallets by helicopter.

Let’s talk
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: IroNat on October 18, 2019, 10:13:38 AM
How many emails did Hillary delete?  30,000+?
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Primemuscle on October 18, 2019, 11:18:24 AM
How many emails did Hillary delete?  30,000+?

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's impeachment inquiry.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Option D on October 18, 2019, 11:31:29 AM
Obama gave $1.5bil I’m cash to a terrorist state delivered in the middle of the night on pallets by helicopter.

Let’s talk


oh dang really. He gave tax payer money to a terroist state.

wow thats crazy.

is that what happened?
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 18, 2019, 12:29:46 PM

oh dang really. He gave tax payer money to a terroist state.

wow thats crazy.

is that what happened?

Yes, because thats how it always happens....in cash, on pallets, in the middle of the night delivered by helicopter  ::)
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: mazrim on October 18, 2019, 01:49:45 PM
Didn't the house (and doesn't) the house, etc. deny funds to countries based on corruption/things they want that country to do? Answer would be yes, so I guess they are all going to get impeached.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Primemuscle on October 18, 2019, 03:09:41 PM
Didn't the house (and doesn't) the house, etc. deny funds to countries based on corruption/things they want that country to do? Answer would be yes, so I guess they are all going to get impeached.

Denying funds isn't the problem. Asking for information/dirt on your political opponent in exchange for the funds is extortion, which is illegal.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Dos Equis on October 18, 2019, 07:02:25 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mulvaney-admits-quid-pro-quo-military-aid-withheld/story?id=66353143
Here's the video, so you can't say he didn't say this.
He even said, we do it all the time, get over it.

A few hours later upon advice of counsel he tried to walk it back.
THIS is a criminal admission and fully counters Trump claiming "NO quid-pro quo".


Ridiculous.  Did you even read your own link?

“Once again, the media has decided to misconstrue my comments to advance a biased and political witch hunt against President Trump. Let me be clear, there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election," Mulvaney noted. "The president never told me to withhold any money until the Ukrainians did anything related to the server. The only reasons we were holding the money was because of concern about lack of support from other nations and concerns over corruption."
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: JustPlaneJane on October 19, 2019, 11:29:36 AM
Denying funds isn't the problem. Asking for information/dirt on your political opponent in exchange for the funds is extortion, which is illegal.

Cite the federal statute (and factual proof that it has been broken) that supports your statement.

Or fuck off, you lying old senile fool.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Primemuscle on October 19, 2019, 11:40:07 AM
Cite the federal statute (and factual proof that it has been broken) that supports your statement.

Or fuck off, you lying old senile fool.

U.S. Code CHAPTER 41—EXTORTION AND THREATS

Whether Trump himself or Giuliani at Trump's behest committed extortion by denying promised funds to Ukraine will be proved soon enough, if it hasn't been already.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: JustPlaneJane on October 19, 2019, 01:02:57 PM
U.S. Code CHAPTER 41—EXTORTION AND THREATS

Whether Trump himself or Giuliani at Trump's behest committed extortion by denying promised funds to Ukraine will be proved soon enough, if it hasn't been already.

18 U.S. Code Chapter 41 defines extortion as:

(C) the term “extortion” means an offense that has as its elements the extraction of anything of value from another person by threatening or placing that person in fear of injury to any person or kidnapping of any person;

You are a senile old liar. You wouldn’t have a thought in your empty head if CNN and the fake news media didn’t feed it to you. You come here everyday spouting bullshit and revealing yourself to be a wife cheating sexual deviant and liar.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Primemuscle on October 19, 2019, 01:35:47 PM
18 U.S. Code Chapter 41 defines extortion as:

(C) the term “extortion” means an offense that has as its elements the extraction of anything of value from another person by threatening or placing that person in fear of injury to any person or kidnapping of any person;

You are a senile old liar. You wouldn’t have a thought in your empty head if CNN and the fake news media didn’t feed it to you. You come here everyday spouting bullshit and revealing yourself to be a wife cheating sexual deviant and liar.

The two most obvious types of extortion are bribery and blackmail. Bribery is the crime of giving something of value to influence the conduct of a person, who is generally a public official.

U.S. Code § 878.Threats and extortion against foreign officials, official guests, or internationally protected persons

Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States or any department or agency thereof, or representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under color or pretense of office or employment commits or attempts an act of extortion, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; but if the amount so extorted or demanded does not exceed $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

In law extortion can refer to political corruption, such as selling one's office or influence peddling,

Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: chaos on October 19, 2019, 01:37:50 PM
The two most obvious types of extortion are bribery and blackmail. Bribery is the crime of giving something of value to influence the conduct of a person, who is generally a public official.

U.S. Code § 878.Threats and extortion against foreign officials, official guests, or internationally protected persons

Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States or any department or agency thereof, or representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under color or pretense of office or employment commits or attempts an act of extortion, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; but if the amount so extorted or demanded does not exceed $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

In law extortion can refer to political corruption, such as selling one's office or influence peddling,


Exactly what Biden admitted to.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Option D on October 25, 2019, 06:46:57 AM
Yes, because thats how it always happens....in cash, on pallets, in the middle of the night delivered by helicopter  ::)

No... it was their own money bro. None of it was tax payer money. Cmon bro. Get the details of your outrage at least.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 25, 2019, 09:49:13 AM
No... it was their own money bro. None of it was tax payer money. Cmon bro. Get the details of your outrage at least.

I see. It was just a coincidence that the money was dropped in the middle of the night, by helicopter, on pallets, in cash

I left out in exchange for a hostage
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Dos Equis on October 25, 2019, 06:31:37 PM
No... it was their own money bro. None of it was tax payer money. Cmon bro. Get the details of your outrage at least.

Why did they secretly air drop the money on pallets then lie about whether or not it was ransom money? 
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: illuminati on October 26, 2019, 12:14:02 AM
Yes, because thats how it always happens....in cash, on pallets, in the middle of the night delivered by helicopter  ::)

Seems a totally upfront & Great way of Delivering Money
I’m sure it’s delivered like this often. 😂🤣😂
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Option D on October 26, 2019, 06:27:37 AM
Why did they secretly air drop the money on pallets then lie about whether or not it was ransom money? 

Lie huh....

Interesting.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: chaos on October 27, 2019, 10:03:31 AM
We must send out pallets of cash to every country we give billions of aid to every year right? I mean, cash stacked on pallets is totally normal way to give our leech countries aid right? Must be super common to have pallets of cash dropped off of helicopters all the time.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Primemuscle on October 27, 2019, 10:06:11 AM
We must send out pallets of cash to every country we give billions of aid to every year right? I mean, cash stacked on pallets is totally normal way to give our leech countries aid right? Must be super common to have pallets of cash dropped off of helicopters all the time.

Why not just transfer funds? Certainly these people have bank accounts. Pallets of cash is just showmanship.
Title: Re: WH chief of staff Mulvaney admits to Ukraine "quid pro quo"
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
Lie huh....

Interesting.

Yes.  Lied.  Why did they deliver it under cover of darkness then lie about it?

State Dept. confirms $400 million Iran payment conditioned on prisoner release
'He lied about the hostages – openly and blatantly – just like he lied about Obamacare,' Trump says.
By LOUIS NELSON 08/18/2016
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/iran-payment-hostage-release-227170